Police SS Commodores
Martin Taylor
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matthew
different then the standard SS. they have a much larger capacity electrical
system to cope with all of the pariphanalia installed. also the seating is
slightly altered to alow the officer driving the vehicle to keep his sidearm
and/or nightstick on his person while seated and have it ready when he exits
the vehicle. there are some other mods ie gearbox changes and different tyre
packages. not quite sure what is done to those
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Martin Taylor
ma> the police pack SS's have the option of 2 seperate diff ratio's that
ma> are different then the standard SS. they have a much larger capacity
ma> electrical system to cope with all of the pariphanalia installed. also
What about engine specs? The reason that I ask is that someone at work
has a friend who just purchased an ex pursuit SS (VT2). He says that the
engine output's rated at 270 kW. I've not heard of this before.
Spooky
My old (Police)VT 11 Gen 111 was tested at 265kw, but it had
"modifications". Standard, they are only 220kw. My new VX SS
is only rated at 225kw (it hasn't had the "mods" yet). :)
Spooky
matthew
are fitted for them by holden but usually buy qualified techs within the
police department but these are closely guarded secrets. a cop spec v6 puts
out almost 180kw. so the 260+ for a gen3 is altogether possible. BUT i am
sure that when these vehicles are sold all or most of these engine
enhancements are removed. i think they leave on the exhauset but thats about
all.
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Danny Rohr
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> the police engines ahve specific air/exhaust/chip(computer) upgrades taht
> are fitted for them by holden but usually buy qualified techs within the
> police department but these are closely guarded secrets. a cop spec v6
puts
> out almost 180kw. so the 260+ for a gen3 is altogether possible. BUT i am
> sure that when these vehicles are sold all or most of these engine
> enhancements are removed. i think they leave on the exhauset but thats
about
> all.
I find most of this very hard to believe. If they wanted a more powerful
version, they would just specially build the thing with HSV specs. Not make
some crappy add ons that can be removed. If they were more powerful, why
would they bother removing the extras? Its not like they would be illegal!
Where is the proof that cop spec car has any more power?
Danny.
duncan_...@my-deja.com
> If they wanted a more powerful version, they would just specially
build the thing with HSV specs...
Why? who says HSV work magic anayway? It's just a tarted up taxi,
there is no genuis involved in a HSV engine.
Making the GenIII pull 270kw would hardly be rocket science for your
average performance mechanic; perhaps the police dept can build
something more suited and reliable given their requirements (which btw,
would be much more demanding than the average HSV buyers needs; perhaps
HSV cannot/will not make something strong enough out of the box).
Why would they remove the extras?, please consider:
1. Police buy new commodore
2. Police modify engine to their (more powerful) specs
3. Police finish with the car, sell it
4. Guido buys Commodore, thinking it's a standard SS
5. Guido wraps himself around pole first time he floors it
6. Insurance company want nothing to do with "special mods"
7. NSW Govt are sued for $10m for being negligent
Just a fantasy scenario but perhaps this helps crystalise the
situation. Also, if they were to spell out the mods upon selling it,
well that may reveal details some people don't want you to know
(perhaps political in nature).
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why would the cops bother with HSV. its pretty much the same process except
that the cops are allowed things that you or i would never get registered.
they remove the extras so that people dont kill themselves. my VP SS was a
cop car. it still had the cop gearbox, diff ratios and exhaust on it when i
purchased it but the other engine mods had been removed. i bought this as a
ex-cop car from the auctions when i was 14 to build with my dad.
>
> Where is the proof that cop spec car has any more power?
>
the proof is in the driving and we being a holden dealership have the joy of
having to service the veehicles after every high speed chase. having driven
both a standard gen3 and a cop spec 1 i can assure u they are MUCH more
powerful
> Danny.
>
>
Danny Rohr
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>
>
> > If they wanted a more powerful version, they would just specially
> build the thing with HSV specs...
>
> Why? who says HSV work magic anayway? It's just a tarted up taxi,
> there is no genuis involved in a HSV engine.
Becasue HSV spend many hours testing thier modifications to make sure they
are reliable overlong periods. Not just a bunch of cop mechanics that have
slapped on a bigger exhaust and air filter.
> Making the GenIII pull 270kw would hardly be rocket science for your
> average performance mechanic; perhaps the police dept can build
> something more suited and reliable given their requirements (which btw,
> would be much more demanding than the average HSV buyers needs; perhaps
> HSV cannot/will not make something strong enough out of the box).
Yes, cops need to constantly thrash their pursuit cars, most drivers don't
simply bother the pull over when they are asked to.
> Why would they remove the extras?, please consider:
>
> 1. Police buy new commodore
> 2. Police modify engine to their (more powerful) specs
I hope these modicfiations fit in with ADRs, pollution requirements etc? I
doubt it. A HSV has a complience plate, its legal.
> 3. Police finish with the car, sell it
> 4. Guido buys Commodore, thinking it's a standard SS
> 5. Guido wraps himself around pole first time he floors it
Which of course couldn't happen without the mods. For fucks sake, Guido
could do that in a Exec.
> 6. Insurance company want nothing to do with "special mods"
Irreleavnt. Thats not the cops problem.
> 7. NSW Govt are sued for $10m for being negligent
>
> Just a fantasy scenario but perhaps this helps crystalise the
> situation. Also, if they were to spell out the mods upon selling it,
> well that may reveal details some people don't want you to know
> (perhaps political in nature).
But exactly as you said above, making a car go faster than stock is not
exactly government secret!
Danny.
duncan_...@my-deja.com
I think you will find disclosure of performance modifications is indeed
relevant to your insurance vendor. We're exploring the reason why NSW
Police may REVERSE performance modifications at the point of resale
right?
Insurance bullshit aside, my point was surrounding the possible legal
ramifications of not reversing the modifications and also not passing
on this info-- in the case of Guido killing himself in an overpowered
car, they would have a case to answer. And yer maybe there are some
compliance issues too.
Martin Taylor
Sp> My old (Police)VT 11 Gen 111 was tested at 265kw, but it had
Sp> "modifications". Standard, they are only 220kw. My new VX SS
Sp> is only rated at 225kw (it hasn't had the "mods" yet). :)
Are these mods ex-factory, or done in house by the police? I would have
thought that the car that this person who bought would have been detuned
back to factory spec before hitting the auction houses.
Spooky
Let me put a stop to all the rumours. These days, when you go and buy
a factory SS Commodore, it is no different in power, gearing, suspension,
exhaust, etc to our Police Cars. The only cosmetic differences are the
Police Pack checked Speedometer (incremented in 2's rather than 5's), and
a few other minor trim things, apart from the obvious Police radio, batons,
torches etc.
Now, having said that, a lot of Police (myself included) are motor
mechanics,
and still have contacts in service departments. Certain modifications "may
get done" on the first service "without our knowledge" :))
As for detuning prior to auctions, - detune what? :-)) If you get my
drift.
Spooky
Andrew
> > Where is the proof that cop spec car has any more power?
> >
> the proof is in the driving and we being a holden dealership have the joy
of
> having to service the veehicles after every high speed chase. having
driven
> both a standard gen3 and a cop spec 1 i can assure u they are MUCH more
> powerful
How about other types of pursut car and police in diferent states. In qld
there seams to be various types of pursuit cars including XR6,XR8, SS
,WRX (though not recently) and I have even seen a Magna. Do these
other cars also have engine enhancements?
If so it would be interesting who designes and/or makes the packages
and is it the same company(-y+ies) for all the different makes and models
of pusuit vehicles. My guess is they would have stringent requitements as
to the safety of the mods because if officer X wraps himself around a tree
then the goverment and/or people performing the mods could be held
liabel?
Andrew
Danny Rohr
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>
> "Martin Taylor" <mta...@gipps.com.au> wrote in message
> news:0000...@chello.com.au...
> > Spooky said..
> >
> > Sp> My old (Police)VT 11 Gen 111 was tested at 265kw, but it had
> > Sp> "modifications". Standard, they are only 220kw. My new VX SS
> > Sp> is only rated at 225kw (it hasn't had the "mods" yet). :)
> >
> > Are these mods ex-factory, or done in house by the police? I would have
> > thought that the car that this person who bought would have been detuned
> > back to factory spec before hitting the auction houses.
>
> Let me put a stop to all the rumours. These days, when you go and buy
> a factory SS Commodore, it is no different in power, gearing, suspension,
> exhaust, etc to our Police Cars. The only cosmetic differences are the
> Police Pack checked Speedometer (incremented in 2's rather than 5's), and
> a few other minor trim things, apart from the obvious Police radio,
batons,
> torches etc.
Hurah, this makes perfect sense. Exactly what I have been trying to make
people belive.
> Now, having said that, a lot of Police (myself included) are motor
> mechanics,
> and still have contacts in service departments. Certain modifications
"may
> get done" on the first service "without our knowledge" :))
Like what? Surely nothing that would be overly expenisve or take time for
the department to do.
> As for detuning prior to auctions, - detune what? :-)) If you get my
> drift.
Hah.
Danny.
Richard Fay
>
> the police engines ahve specific air/exhaust/chip(computer) upgrades taht
> are fitted for them by holden but usually buy qualified techs within the
> police department but these are closely guarded secrets. a cop spec v6 puts
> out almost 180kw. so the 260+ for a gen3 is altogether possible. BUT i am
> sure that when these vehicles are sold all or most of these engine
> enhancements are removed. i think they leave on the exhauset but thats about
> all.
Matthew...
That is crap, They have standard engines. No modifiactions.
Richard
George Bielinski
with very few modifications (namely electrical wiring to cope with extra
equipment). I had numerous opportunities to take a closer look at them while
they are being serviced at the dealership I work at. Jsut ask the Holden
mechanics...
Cheers,
George
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Peter Bialasinski
than the standard SS commy's???
later,
Peter
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Martin Taylor
Sp> Let me put a stop to all the rumours. These days, when you go and buy
Sp> a factory SS Commodore, it is no different in power, gearing,
Sp> suspension, exhaust, etc to our Police Cars. The only cosmetic
Sp> differences are the Police Pack checked Speedometer (incremented in 2's
Sp> rather than 5's), and a few other minor trim things, apart from the
Sp> obvious Police radio, batons, torches etc.
I can vouch for this. A mate has the choice of "company" cars to drive
home in. He dropped in for a cuppa in an unmarked white VT2 SS. It was
identical to my VT SS with the exception of the motor. Everything else
was the same, tyres included. I can't vouch for the brakes, or what was
done to the motor. However, the road/engine noise was significantly
louder than my stock "civilian" SS. I don't know why, nor does my mate.
Perhaps they're removed insulation for weight purposes, or to accomodate
wiring, or other mods. I can't say for sure.
Still, it's not a car that I'd wish to purchase second hand. Years ago,
when I was a lad, I bought an ex-interceptor, a VK 5l V8 manual. It was
a car that was not what I'd call refined. It had some poke, what with
the HDT heads, distributor and cold air intake. But its brakes wear
heavy, the clutch the same, and a V8 rack and pinion steered car without
power assist was a nightmare. The missus forced me to sell it under pain
of death (or chastity, take your pick).
You know what I bought? A 1984 Mazda 323 notchback....
How the mighty were fallen..
duncan_...@my-deja.com
> Sorry to disappoint everyone: cop SS Commodore is just a plain
standard SS with very few modifications (namely electrical wiring to
cope with extra equipment).
Perhaps this is the case with the current cars, but I remember HDT used
to prepare cop cars back in the eighties, they were definitely not
standard-- however nothing much more than HDT engines either. I guess
the old commodores were pretty crappy compared to todays though.
Danny Rohr
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> if that is the case, why do they ALWAYS seem to rev harder and go faster
> than the standard SS commy's???
Rev harder? Is that some kind of technical terminology?
Danny.
mm
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I think I can agree with what Matthew said but I think 180kw for a
commy V6 is far fetch. I had two instances where I couldnt catch up
with a Commy V6 or a Falcon 6 cop car in a straight line. They are
definitely stronger. I drive an AU XR6.
Tony F
engine is standard there are body and and electrical system differences, also
they don't have traction control (VT II, i'm not sure about VX) which means that
they use the 3 channel ABS not the 4 channel which comes with the traction
control. The 4 channel ABS controls the rear wheels independently which is
supposed to stop better if you get the inside wheels off the bitumen in an
emergency.
If you look at ex-police gen III SS commodores at an auction, it's
interesting to observe the clouds of smoke they all emit if you blip the
throttle a couple of times after a cold start. Also many of them with only
40,000 odd Km have already had the front disk rotors replaced, a good indicator
of a hard life.
Regards,
Tony
Edwin Beer
perform any engine mods (not even the free ones) nor do they they produce
any more power than a basic Gen III exec or SS... (Dyno proven!!)
Eddie
VX 225kw
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Kieron Murphy
<vx...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>The Vic Police VTII gen IIIs are as they leave the factory, they do not
>perform any engine mods (not even the free ones) nor do they they produce
>any more power than a basic Gen III exec or SS... (Dyno proven!!)
>
Also, some staes are moving back to 6 cylinder only persuit cars,
based on this, it would be illogical for the police to upgrade cars!
Kieron
Brendon
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>a good indicator
> of a hard life.
Someone would be stupid if they didnt think Highway Patrol cars had a hard
life.
Spooky
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Actually, you'd be surprised. These days, our cars are serviced religously
on schedule. Tyres are replaced well before the normal person would
replace their tyres. In other words, we dont wait till they get down to
the wear marks. Also, anything that goes wrong with the car is fixed
immediately. You can't over rev them because they have rev limiters,
and the rest of the drive train isn't asked to do anything that it was'nt
designed to do. Ok, they get a lot of stop, U turn, full throttle
take-offs,
hard stops (brakes), but most of the time they are crusing around at 60Km/h.
Highway Patrol are fanatical about their cars and rely on them so greatly
that it is in our own interest to keep them in showroom condition.
I would deffinatley buy an ex- highway car, purely because I know how
we look after them. A general duties car is a different matter :-) Dont
touch
one with a barge pole :)
Spooky
>
>
Johnnie5
that was rattling its head off ,
found out in the 40 K they had it it had never been serviced :)
but it is true to an extent , guy i knew once bought a ex chaser which was a
county
unit
reason he knew where it had been and had been looked after and done mainly
high speed work
ie not city stop start driving
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Cameron
>
> if that is the case, why do they ALWAYS seem to rev harder and go faster
> than the standard SS commy's???
for the same reason that all rental cars do the same thing. As well as
never ever needing any water or oil.
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Richard Fay
> I think I can agree with what Matthew said but I think 180kw for a
> commy V6 is far fetch. I had two instances where I couldnt catch up
> with a Commy V6 or a Falcon 6 cop car in a straight line. They are
> definitely stronger. I drive an AU XR6.
Why in the hell would you be chasing one ina straigh line???
They are standard V6s....
Richard
Michael
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> if that is the case, why do they ALWAYS seem to rev harder and go faster
> than the standard SS commy's???
You have never had a company car have you?
Michael
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The only ones that were modified was the VK as far as engine goes by HDT.
Michael
Griffo
condition and have had only 1 prob with it where the ignition switch
played up. The car was emaculate and I have been very happy with it.
As far as mods go
F2 suspension -- hard ride - excellent for cruising but can be a pain
over speed humps. ( just ask the misses)
Bigger electrics
Bigger Brakes
Long range fuel tank
As far as engine mods don't know. It's out of warranty now so it's
time to do my own mods.
The only major prob I had when I bought the car was Bloody Insurance.
As soon as they heard EX Chaser -- Bye Bye & shit I'm 40
Griffo
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wrote:
Martin Taylor
du> Perhaps this is the case with the current cars, but I remember HDT
du> used to prepare cop cars back in the eighties, they were definitely not
du> standard-- however nothing much more than HDT engines either. I guess
du> the old commodores were pretty crappy compared to todays though.
This is incorrect. HDT did not prepare the cars. They prepared the components
that were fitted to the engines on the Holden production line, which was mainly
heads and distributor.
They still ran standard rockers, single row timing chain, standard exhaust
system. The only difference, other than big valve heads was the cold air intake
and high capacity air cleaner.
At the time, the Group III and Group A engines had roller rockers, double row
timing chains, ported inlet manifolds, high pressure fuel pump, HM headers and
big bore exhaust, and other little bits and pieces which weren't on the cop
cars.
I owned a VK Commodore V8, ex-interceptor. I rang HDT once to get some info on
it. I was told that HDT has never prepared police vehicles.
Brendon
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>
>Tyres are replaced well before the normal person would
> replace their tyres.
>In other words, we dont wait till they get down to
> the wear marks.
I suppose that would be mostly a safety thing.
>Ok, they get a lot of stop, U turn, full throttle
> take-offs,
> hard stops (brakes),
Which a "normal" car wouldnt be asked to do :-)
(well not mine anyway)
> I would deffinatley buy an ex- highway car, purely because I know how
> we look after them.
Is your private car(s) one ?
Spooky
No, mine is a VT 11 *S* Pack. I only wanted a V6.
However, I'm thinking of going for a VX SS next and it will
be an ex Highway car.
Spooky
>
>
Bob Paton
when that is the only vehicle left in the pool) would be close to the
performance of most privately owned V8s lol. Well it is lots of fun anyway
lol
Must admit for fun factor not much goes past the Falcon utes. They handle
like shit when empty, are extremely loud, but have good power to weight
which makes them quite fun especially in the wet :-)
Bob
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>
>I'm thinking of going for a VX SS next and it will
> be an ex Highway car.
Is's possable to track your own highway car and buy that, isnt it ?
Hombre
auction and kept it for 7 years. It was the best and most reliable car
I have ever owned.
2 years ago, I bought an ex police VT series I V8 (ex highway patrol in
the Werribee area - Victoria). I still have it and anything that has
gone wrong with it is typical of all VT's - not highway patrol cars in
particular.
As far as I am concerned, these cars are pretty much bullet proof
nowadays. As Spooky says - you can't overrev them and so long as they
get serviced regularly (which obviously the police are doing) they will
give you years of reasonably worry free motoring.
I won't hesitate to buy my next V8 as an expolice chaser at auction.
As far as insurance - my insurance company (Australian Alliance, and
GIO before them) has never enquired as to my cars origins. They know
that my last 2 cars have been Commodore V8s but don't seem to care if
they are ex police or not. I can't see the relevance of refusing
insurance or charging more because of who might once have owned a car -
if this was the case, we should be paying a fortune in insurance for
all those ex rental cars and company cars that are on the road (very
suspicious history for those suckers).
By the way - I am 33 and my insurance on the VT V8 is $600 a year
(rating 1 in Melbourne).
Hombre
In article <1vhg6to0msc6n93bv...@4ax.com>,
Martin Taylor
TF> the throttle a couple of times after a cold start. Also many of them
TF> with only 40,000 odd Km have already had the front disk rotors
TF> replaced, a good indicator of a hard life.
I think that the rotor issue is endemic across the VT range. A mate in
Melbourne bought a new lathe just to machine VT rotors, he was getting that
many in. Mine had to be done at 60,000 km. A mate's at 10,000 km. Mine are
shuddering again at 70,000 km, but only really noticable under heaving braking
from, say 120 km/h.
Martin Taylor
Mi> The only ones that were modified was the VK as far as engine goes by
Mi> HDT.
And this is debatable. While the engines had heads with "HDT" stamped on them,
and the distributor had a "HDT" sticker on it, they were not processed at the
Bertie St complex. The heads may have been modified to HDT specs by contractors
such as Perfectune. But they were fitted at Fisherman's Bend.
Michael
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I am not 100% certain where they were fitted, however the cars definatly did
visit the Bertie St factory at one stage (I have a photo in a book someplace
full of them.)
Michael
Martin Taylor
Gr> The only major prob I had when I bought the car was Bloody Insurance.
Gr> As soon as they heard EX Chaser -- Bye Bye & shit I'm 40
Why do you call it an ex-chaser? Isn't it an SS? If so, isn't that
sufficient for the insurance?
Griffo
went to ss.
Ex chaser is just another name for ex police. I didn't tell the
insurance it was a ex chaser, just told them it had the bp1 pack and
was ex police. You would think that insuring a ex police that it would
be more safer on the road than Taxi's etc.
Griffo
Q
the ABS?????
Q,
VT SS S/Charged V6 Owner,
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Martin Taylor
Mi> I am not 100% certain where they were fitted, however the cars
Mi> definatly did visit the Bertie St factory at one stage (I have a photo
Mi> in a book someplace full of them.)
I'd like to see it. When I owned one of these cars, back in 1986 I
contacted HDT with a view to get some info on it and the mechanical
details. They emphatically denied having ever modified VK V8 pursuit
cars.
There is something in the Rise And Fall of Peter Brock, by Tuckey about
what cars went through HDT etc. I'll have to read it again (always makes
for an interesting read, and is also a bit nostalgic for me..)
Martin Taylor
Gr> Ex chaser is just another name for ex police. I didn't tell the
Gr> insurance it was a ex chaser, just told them it had the bp1 pack and
Gr> was ex police. You would think that insuring a ex police that it would
Gr> be more safer on the road than Taxi's etc.
What's a BP1 pack? Also, what's wrong with stating that it's a "Holden
VT Commodore with a 5 litre V8, mags, if applicable, and other
accessories, bought at an auction."? How are you, as an average
motorist, to know that it has a "BP1" pack, or that it's ex-police,
etc.? Most cop cars are standard Holdens or Falcons anyway, apart from
traffic cop cars.
I mean to say, why should the onus be on you to state exactly what the
car's fitted with, particularly if you have no expertise in the
technical issues of motor vehicles. If you give the insurer the basic
info, rego, VIN etc. then surely it's up to the insurer to deduce what
sort of car that is, isn't it?
(now, I'm not saying that you're technically inept, I'm using that as an
example of the average motorist).
Martin Taylor
Q> Ahhh,,, so that shudder you get thro the steering is the roaters fault
Q> not the ABS?????
Never mentioned anything about ABS. I know the difference between rotor
vibration/runout and when the ABS is operating.
Michael
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> Michael said..
>
> Mi> I am not 100% certain where they were fitted, however the cars
> Mi> definatly did visit the Bertie St factory at one stage (I have a
photo
> Mi> in a book someplace full of them.)
>
> I'd like to see it. When I owned one of these cars, back in 1986 I
> contacted HDT with a view to get some info on it and the mechanical
> details. They emphatically denied having ever modified VK V8 pursuit
> cars.
NP. I'll see if I can dig it out and scan it for you. I have also had it
confirmed by a friend who has worked in various areas of Holden engineering
since the mid 70's and lately HPO.
Michael
duncan_...@my-deja.com
> This is incorrect. HDT did not prepare the cars. They prepared the
components that were fitted to the engines on the Holden production
line, which was mainly heads and distributor.
Well this is just like the VK Group A's produced at Holdens via the
BT1/XV2 line isn't it?..
Perfectune did the porting etc before sending the components to HDT
where some work was done on manifold and air intake, afterwhich the
components were shipped BACK to Holdens for final engine assembly.
Sure HDT did not strictly "prepare" the BT1's exactly but they
certainly played a key role in engineering/direction of the engine
performance.
Griffo
Sorry it was a typo. It has the 97 BT1 pack
Also, what's wrong with stating that it's a "Holden
>VT Commodore with a 5 litre V8, mags, if applicable, and other
>accessories, bought at an auction."?
It was bought thru a large car dealer & not one fly by night jobs.
How are you, as an average
>motorist, to know that it has a "BP1" pack, or that it's ex-police,
>etc.? Most cop cars are standard Holdens or Falcons anyway, apart from
>traffic cop cars.
I have been modifying cars for about 23 years. I recently owned a
series 1 jag with a 350/t400 change over for 10 years. The reason why
I traded it in because of my new daughter and the car was getting a
little bit long in the tooth.
>
>I mean to say, why should the onus be on you to state exactly what the
>car's fitted with, particularly if you have no expertise in the
>technical issues of motor vehicles. If you give the insurer the basic
>info, rego, VIN etc. then surely it's up to the insurer to deduce what
>sort of car that is, isn't it?
I have known and also heard of a couple of people who lied on their
insurance & one of them was very minor & they canceled their
insurance. My wife deals with all sorts of insurance companies & knows
the ropes. It's getting to the stage where READ the contract or pay
the penalties. Being a ex police is one of them. Try ringing up a
couple of insurance companies just for fun and mention that it's ex
police. AAMI, HBA, Etc see what reactions you get.
>
>(now, I'm not saying that you're technically inept, I'm using that as an
>example of the average motorist).
Read above.
It might be fine for you to state the average with your insurance, but
I would like to know that in the event of an accident ( May it never
happen) I am fully covered with the advice I gave them. I was bitten
once with aami way back in the 80s with a modified Panel Van and I
will never go thru the bullshit that I had to go thru then. The
problem was they swore they sent a modified policy & I never got it.
I won in the end after not having a car for 2 months - but they never
insured that car again & I have never gone thru them again.
Q
me a fairly big shudder from side to side through the steering do you think
that's the roaters or the abs?
Q,
"Martin Taylor" <mta...@gipps.com.au> wrote in message
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Martin Taylor
Q> Ok well heavy braking from say 160-170km (yes at the legal drag way)
Q> gives me a fairly big shudder from side to side through the steering do
Q> you think that's the roaters or the abs?
Probably the rotors. ABS is a crunching or grating pulsing back through
the pedal. Warped rotors are felt as a significant vibration through the
pedal, and often is quite audible.
If your ABS was operating at that speed under heavy braking, then either
your tyres are stuffed, the surface is greasy, in which case the car
would barely be controllable.
What I was talking about was the common problem with VT discs. Mine have
been machined twice. In a few months when it gets worse, I'll have it
done again, provided that there's enough metal left to do it. And I'll
ensure that the local Holden dealer doesn't get the work. (car's just
out of warranty now, damnitall)
Tony F
Spooky wrote:
> On slippery surfaces, the "low trac" light on the dash
> comes on (VX SS), so does this mean we have it permanently enabled????
I've not got my manuals for the VX yet, but going by my VT manuals, if the
'low-trac' light comes on it looks like you may have traction control on the
VXs'. You can tell of you look at the ABS modulator under the bonnet, a 4
channel ABS/ATC modulator has 6 hydraulic pipes attached to it, a 3 channel one
only has 5 pipes. Compare your car to a VT if you still have one in your group.
If the traction control is the same as a VT II, there will also be a
Throttle Relaxer module on the passenger side under the bonnet behind the front
wheel arch, this intercepts the throttle cable from the pedal and backs off the
throttle when traction control needs to reduce the engine torque. This system is
unique to the Gen III V8, it's not as fly-by-wire as it sounds, it can only back
off the throttle, it can't apply it and send you into orbit ( or so the GM story
goes).
If it really does have traction control, not having an on/off swich for the
traction control is a bit of a worry for later users if they want to tow a boat,
There is an amusing tale going around about a guy pulling a boat up a launching
ramp when the traction control cut in and stalled the engine, the car slid back
down the ramp into the water, gurgle gurgle.
Tony
Shane
there by HDT. They called them Brock heads???
No other VH or VK commodore I ever saw had these black coloured heads on
them.
Shane
Martin Taylor
Sh> The Police VH and VK commodores came with a 'black' set of heads
Sh> placed there by HDT. They called them Brock heads???
Sh> No other VH or VK commodore I ever saw had these black coloured heads
Sh> on them.
They were also refered to as "big valve heads". They had a HDT stamp,
the lettering about 8mm high, around the head bolts near the front.
Dunno about the blackness, as all V8s in the VK range (dunno about prior
models) were black. From what I recall, they were fitted at the factory,
not at HDT. But this chap claims that the cars went through Bertie St,
which goes against what HDT told me at the time.