Metric/AF spanner and socket sets: why do they still exist?

[Je�us]

As per the subject heading...

I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
- otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.

Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
something?

[Pie-eater]

Silly Taswegian, apart from Un Zed, there'd be heapsa old crap cars needin AF down the ass end of Oztralia. :-P Not to go on about the old farm shit floatin around, and irrigation.

[Je�us]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 18:22:20 -0800 (PST), Pie-eater
<vbb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yebbut... how many in Australia in 2013 *really* come across and/or
want to work on such antiquated stuff. Not very many, I would wager.

[Bob Milutinovic]

"Je�us" <no...@all.org> wrote in message
news:dagi991uen0dge2se...@4ax.com...

Think Septic.

The one country remaining which still officially uses imperial measurements
(albeit their own screwed up interpretation thereof) also happens to be the
world's biggest consumer - and the world's biggest manufacturer (i.e.,
China) are always willing to cater to them.

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Cognicom

[Jordan]

On 30/11/13 13:46, Je�us wrote:
>
>>> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
>>>
>>> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
>>>

What's disappointing is the dearth of Whitworth tools, for my favorite
machinery.

[Pie-eater]

On Saturday, November 30, 2013 1:46:13 PM UTC+11, Jeßus wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 18:22:20 -0800 (PST), Pie-eater
>

> Pie-eater wrote:
>

> >Silly Taswegian, apart from Un Zed, there'd be heapsa old crap cars needin AF down the ass end of Oztralia. :-P Not to go on about the old farm shit floatin around, and irrigation.
>
>
>
> Yebbut... how many in Australia in 2013 *really* come across and/or
>
> want to work on such antiquated stuff. Not very many, I would wager.

Yebbut.... you done live in Australia. :-P I believe Northern English and Scots Invaded Von Demon Lund and created the Two-headed DeBil???? Neck bolts are probly AF. :-)

[Pie-eater]

On Saturday, November 30, 2013 1:52:19 PM UTC+11, Jordan wrote:

Heaps a SAE equiv's. Or go to *garage* sales. :-))))))))))))))))))))))) Did ya get it?

[Xeno Lith]

I still find a lot of use for my 1/4 Whitworth spanners and socket. That
said, that size is the only Whitworth size to see regular use. All the
others languish in the bottom of the tool boxes.

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[John_H]

Je�us wrote:

>As per the subject heading...
>
>I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
>pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
>spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
>- otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
>living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.

You shouldn't have any problem buying a metric only set if that's what
you require.

Kinchrome and JBS for starters... I've got one of each in metric only,
albeit different drive sizes. My �" drive Kinchrome metric set also
contains some sizes that are hard to find elsewhere (and necessary for
some makes of vehicle, including Toyota). It's quite a few years old
so I'm assuming there's an equivalent in their current range.

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[Albm&ctd]

In article <dagi991uen0dge2se...@4ax.com>, no...@all.org says...

> As per the subject heading...
>

The people who sell nuts make them do it.

Al
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It's more fun to insult everyone.

[Albm&ctd]

In article <529952e5$0$48064$862e...@ngroups.net>, jorda...@koora.net says...

Whitworth is the reason you own a shifter.
Battery terminals used to have them, just so you could fuck about long enough to
find something that fits, that your vehicle burns.

[Blue Heeler]

Je�us wrote:

>
> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
> Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
> for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
> something?

Depends what you are working on.

I still work on old English motorcycles, and I hope to own another
small aeroplane one day.

As a consequence I have Metric, AF, Whitworth and BSF spanners and
sockets.

[darren]

Plenty of things still use af even today. Franner crane Made by terex
use AF for all the local Australian content and the components ( Trans,
Winch engine etc) are metric. Most US made equipment is now metric but
not all. The one that gets me is most local hardware stors still sell
whitworth as well as metric and imperial bolts. Whitworth was meant to
be replaced by unc and unf to make things more interchangeable for the
allies during the war.

[Pie-eater]

On Saturday, November 30, 2013 7:05:48 PM UTC+11, Paul Saccani wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:20:24 -0800 (PST), Pie-eater

>
>
> >Heaps a SAE equiv's. Or go to *garage* sales. :-))))))))))))))))))))))) Did ya get it?
>
>
>

> There are not heaps of SAE equivalents, actually. Trying to use the
>
> nearest A/F spanner is a common cause of rounded nuts and bolts in the
>
> real world.

There are *some* AF then. There are also *some* Metric, there are *heaps* of BSF.

Heaps of them are *exact* futs too. :-) Check Equivalent Charts - they are available - I have a chart. Huppy now?

[Clocky]

"Paul Saccani" <sac...@omen.net.au> wrote in message
news:337j991i8ufn7u71u...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:44:34 +1100, Jeßus <no...@all.org> wrote:
>
>>As per the subject heading...
>>
>>I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
>>pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
>>spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
>>- otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
>>living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>

> Really cheap sets, I take it?

>
>>Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
>>what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
>>Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
>>for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
>>something?
>

> Inch based fasteners are still used on 21st century Fords and Holdens,
> for a start.
>
> A waste of money, in the sense that cheapo spanner sets are usually
> the only ones that come like that, and when they break, you may get
> hurt, and when they don't, they often round nuts..
>
> Go to Repco, you can get a halfway decent set of spanners in inch or
> metric, take your pick.

That is a reasonable suggestion, Repco stuff is generally good. Having said
that, I bought a metric 3/8 drive Supercheap (SCA) socket set when they had
one of their sales on.
Cheap yes, but the sockets and ratchet have seen reasonable service so far
and I use the sockets on my Makita 18V inpact driver and have not had a
failure yet.
The only problem I encountered was with the ratchet. The two tiny alan
headed screws that hold it together come loose and fall out. A bit of
loctite fixed that problem.

For the price, they're much better than I expected. Ditto the 1/4 drive
Metric/AF SCA set I bought at the same time.





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[F Murtz]

If you get all the metric sizes in mm increments including the less
common ones you will fit most nuts.

[Blue Heeler]

F Murtz wrote:

> Je�us wrote:
> >
>
>
> If you get all the metric sizes in mm increments including the less
> common ones you will fit most nuts.

Well most metric ones anyway.

[Pie-eater]

On Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:22:38 PM UTC+11, Paul Saccani wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:41:20 -0800 (PST), Pie-eater

>
>
> >Heaps of them are *exact* futs too. :-) Check Equivalent Charts - they are available - I have a chart. Huppy now?
>
>
>

> 3 out of the 9 most commonly used BSW spanner sizes (1/8" to 5/8" BSW)
>
> have metric or A/F equivalents that are within 0.2mm of being
>
> identical.
>
Narrowing da field huh! The below chart shows 5 - but then.. lets split hairs over the 0.20mm as well. Your a plickly plick huh. Many friends? ;-) Dit eye dot every "t" and cross every "i" .... thatell do.
>
> None are actually identical, but three out of nine are near enough -
>
> that is not heaps.
>
http://classicmechanic.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/mm-af-bsw-bsf-spanner-conversion-chart.html
>
> And I hope that your name is not about taking the piss out of Jonz.
>
Hoo?

[F Murtz]

And most of the others, try it.

[Blue Heeler]

A spanner is not intended to be a device for rounding off the corners
of a bolt head or nut, there is a reason that a precise fit is required.

[Xeno Lith]

It's why I still have a full sets of metric, AF, Whitworth and BSF
spanners and sockets.

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[Clocky]

"F Murtz" <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Blue Heeler wrote:
>> F Murtz wrote:
>>

>>> Jeßus wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you get all the metric sizes in mm increments including the less
>>> common ones you will fit most nuts.
>>
>> Well most metric ones anyway.
>>
> And most of the others, try it.

Err, no.

Near enough isn't good enough, unless your intention is to fuck the
bolts/nuts.

[Noddy]

On 30/11/13 12:44 PM, Je�us wrote:
> As per the subject heading...
>
> I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
> pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
> spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
> - otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
> living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>
> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?

Some current stuff is still AF, like most things American for example,
and some stuff is a mixture like Ford or Holden.

> Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
> for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
> something?

It probably appeals more to the average mug to make them shell out more
than they want to on shit they think will be handy but they won't ever use.





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[Noddy]

On 30/11/13 1:46 PM, Je�us wrote:

> Yebbut... how many in Australia in 2013 *really* come across and/or
> want to work on such antiquated stuff. Not very many, I would wager.

Probably not many, but there are still some of us. I've got three cars
and a truck in my man cave right now, and the combined age of all of
them is 170 years old :)



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[Noddy]

On 30/11/13 1:52 PM, Jordan wrote:

> What's disappointing is the dearth of Whitworth tools, for my favorite
> machinery.

You can usually buy as many Whitworth tools as you like from your local
flea market for next to nothing.



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[John_H]

Paul Saccani wrote:
>
>Go to Repco, you can get a halfway decent set of spanners in inch or
>metric, take your pick.

Better still, go to Blackwoods and buy JBS. If past experience is
anything to go by both the available range and the prices are better,
even with a Repco trade account. (The tools are identical other than
the name stamp.)

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[Je�us]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:52:19 +1100, Jordan <jorda...@koora.net>
wrote:

>On 30/11/13 13:46, Je�us wrote:
>>
>>>> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
>>>>
>>>> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
>>>>
>

>What's disappointing is the dearth of Whitworth tools, for my favorite
>machinery.

That would be a problem...

[Je�us]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:18:03 -0800 (PST), Pie-eater
<vbb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, November 30, 2013 1:46:13 PM UTC+11, Je�us wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 18:22:20 -0800 (PST), Pie-eater
>>
>> Pie-eater wrote:
>>
>
>> >Silly Taswegian, apart from Un Zed, there'd be heapsa old crap cars needin AF down the ass end of Oztralia. :-P Not to go on about the old farm shit floatin around, and irrigation.

>>
>>
>>
>> Yebbut... how many in Australia in 2013 *really* come across and/or
>>
>> want to work on such antiquated stuff. Not very many, I would wager.
>

>Yebbut.... you done live in Australia. :-P

I still have my passport...

>I believe Northern English and Scots Invaded Von Demon Lund and created the Two-headed DeBil???? Neck bolts are probly AF. :-)

DeBil, or De�il?

[Je�us]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:57:34 +1100, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
wrote:

>On 30/11/13 1:46 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
>> Yebbut... how many in Australia in 2013 *really* come across and/or
>> want to work on such antiquated stuff. Not very many, I would wager.
>
>Probably not many, but there are still some of us. I've got three cars
>and a truck in my man cave right now,

Oh, for sure there are plenty out there with old cars, but the vast
majority of people would surely have metric-only cars these days.

I must admit I just assumed Holden and Ford would have gone fully
metric by now, but apparently not (shows you how much I've had to do
with non-Jap cars!)?

>and the combined age of all of them is 170 years old :)

Heh :)

Lessee...
I have a circa 1979 LJ81 Stockman ute
1985 Landcruiser
1989 Hilux
2001 Foz
... combined age approx. 98 years.

[Je�us]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:51:50 +1100, "Bob Milutinovic"
<cogn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Je�us" <no...@all.org> wrote in message
>news:dagi991uen0dge2se...@4ax.com...

>> As per the subject heading...
>>
>> I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
>> pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
>> spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
>> - otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
>> living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>>

>> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
>> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?

>> Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
>> for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
>> something?
>

>Think Septic.

Yep, no doubt they are the primary reason, but even so I would have
thought it'd be worth the manufacturer's while to sell more purely
metric tool sets in other countries.

[Je�us]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:24:32 +1000, John_H <john...@inbox.com> wrote:

>Je�us wrote:
>
>>As per the subject heading...
>>
>>I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
>>pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
>>spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
>>- otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
>>living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>

>You shouldn't have any problem buying a metric only set if that's what
>you require.

I'm sure there are, I was mainly just curious as to their relative
scarcity compared to metric/imperial tool sets. I would have thought
the economies of scale would be sufficient to make them more common
than they are.

>Kinchrome and JBS for starters... I've got one of each in metric only,
>albeit different drive sizes. My �" drive Kinchrome metric set also
>contains some sizes that are hard to find elsewhere (and necessary for
>some makes of vehicle, including Toyota). It's quite a few years old
>so I'm assuming there's an equivalent in their current range.

Thanks, I'll take a closer look at Kinchrome.

[Je�us]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:55:34 +1000, Albm&ctd
<alb_mand...@connexus.net.au> wrote:

>In article <dagi991uen0dge2se...@4ax.com>, no...@all.org says...

>> As per the subject heading...
>>

>The people who sell nuts make them do it.

The Liberal party?

[Je�us]

On 30 Nov 2013 05:36:17 GMT, "Blue Heeler" <wo...@bark.org> wrote:

>Je�us wrote:
>
>>
>> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
>> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
>> Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
>> for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
>> something?
>

>Depends what you are working on.
>
>I still work on old English motorcycles, and I hope to own another
>small aeroplane one day.
>
>As a consequence I have Metric, AF, Whitworth and BSF spanners and
>sockets.

Of course. Not saying they have no place at all these days, just
wondering why metric only sets are relatively scarce by comparison.
There must be a *lot* of AF tools out there in garages which never get
used.

[Je�us]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:18:44 +1030, darren <dronn...@adam.com.au>
wrote:

>Je�us wrote:
>> As per the subject heading...
>>

>> I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
>> pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
>> spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
>> - otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
>> living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>>

>> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
>> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
>> Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
>> for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
>> something?
>>

>Plenty of things still use af even today. Franner crane Made by terex
>use AF for all the local Australian content and the components ( Trans,
>Winch engine etc) are metric. Most US made equipment is now metric but
>not all. The one that gets me is most local hardware stors still sell
>whitworth as well as metric and imperial bolts. Whitworth was meant to
>be replaced by unc and unf to make things more interchangeable for the
>allies during the war.

I was looking at it from the average guy in Australia working on their
car type of POV... The vast majority of people would rarely (if ever)
need AF these days, I would have thought.

[Je�us]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:09:30 +0800, Paul Saccani <sac...@omen.net.au>
wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:44:34 +1100, Je�us <no...@all.org> wrote:
>
>>As per the subject heading...
>>
>>I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
>>pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
>>spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
>>- otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
>>living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>

>Really cheap sets, I take it?

mmm... not sure what your criteria for 'really cheap' would be, but I
guess I was thinking around $100 for a socket set that hopefully won't
ever be needed. Same for a set of open/ring spanners as well.

>>Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
>>what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
>>Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
>>for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
>>something?
>

>Inch based fasteners are still used on 21st century Fords and Holdens,
>for a start.

I did not realise that and assumed Ford and Holden would surely have
gone fully metric by now. I guess that is typical of both of them to
be so archaic.

>A waste of money, in the sense that cheapo spanner sets are usually
>the only ones that come like that, and when they break, you may get
>hurt, and when they don't, they often round nuts..
>

>Go to Repco, you can get a halfway decent set of spanners in inch or
>metric, take your pick.

Thanks, I'll have a look at Repco - not a place I'd normally even
think about having a look in.

[Je�us]

Thanks for the tip! We have a Blackwoods in Launceston.

[Je�us]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:06:17 +1100, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Will do.

[Je�us]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:55:21 +1100, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
wrote:

>On 30/11/13 12:44 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> As per the subject heading...
>>
>> I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
>> pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
>> spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
>> - otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
>> living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>>
>> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
>> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
>
>Some current stuff is still AF, like most things American for example,
>and some stuff is a mixture like Ford or Holden.

As I've mentioned in other replies, that surprised me... although I
guess it probably shouldn't have in hindsight :)

>> Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
>> for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
>> something?
>
>It probably appeals more to the average mug to make them shell out more
>than they want to on shit they think will be handy but they won't ever use.

Probably.

[Jordan]

On 30/11/13 23:58, Noddy wrote:
>
> You can usually buy as many Whitworth tools as you like from your local
> flea market for next to nothing.
>

Not seen as often as I'd like, and often rusty and worn.
Can't compare to easy to buy, nice shiny spanners.

[Noddy]

On 01/12/13 8:58 AM, Jordan wrote:

> Not seen as often as I'd like, and often rusty and worn.

Like most things today that have whitworth fasteners :)

> Can't compare to easy to buy, nice shiny spanners.

If it floats your boat.


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[Noddy]

On 01/12/13 8:29 AM, Je�us wrote:

> Heh :)
>
> Lessee...
> I have a circa 1979 LJ81 Stockman ute
> 1985 Landcruiser
> 1989 Hilux
> 2001 Foz
> ... combined age approx. 98 years.

Almost the "ton", and all Metric. Go figure :)



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[Noddy]

On 01/12/13 8:48 AM, Je�us wrote:

> As I've mentioned in other replies, that surprised me... although I
> guess it probably shouldn't have in hindsight :)

Well, maybe. I think it'd be natural to assume that they would have
changed over completely by now, but they haven't and it's a pain in the
arse basically.

Fortunately with the state of the local car industry it won't be a
problem for much longer :)


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[Je�us]

On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:14:23 +1100, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
wrote:

There's an upside to everything it seems :)

[Xeno Lith]

Go to Bunnings! They sell Whitworth nuts and bolts!

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[Xeno Lith]

That will be "Lonnie", if you're a local. ;-)

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[Jordan]

But not W/W tools!

[Clocky]

"Jeßus" <no...@all.org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:55:21 +1100, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
> wrote:
>

>>On 30/11/13 12:44 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> As per the subject heading...
>>>
>>> I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
>>> pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
>>> spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
>>> - otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
>>> living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>>>
>>> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
>>> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
>>
>>Some current stuff is still AF, like most things American for example,

>>and some stuff is a mixture like Ford or Holden.
>
> As I've mentioned in other replies, that surprised me... although I
> guess it probably shouldn't have in hindsight :)
>

AFAIK the VE is fully metric, the first Holden to be so - IOW since 2006.
American stuff has been moving to metric since the 70's.





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On 12/1/2013 1:18 AM, Paul Saccani wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:20:31 -0800 (PST), Pie-eater
> <vbb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:22:38 PM UTC+11, Paul Saccani wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:41:20 -0800 (PST), Pie-eater
>>>> Heaps of them are *exact* futs too. :-) Check Equivalent Charts - they are available - I have a chart. Huppy now?
>>>
>>> 3 out of the 9 most commonly used BSW spanner sizes (1/8" to 5/8" BSW)
>>> have metric or A/F equivalents that are within 0.2mm of being
>>> identical.
>>>
>> Narrowing da field huh! The below chart shows 5
>
> The below chart shows three within 0.2mm. You need to read more
> carefully. The 9/16 BSW to 1" A/F incorrectly shows it as being a two
> way swap, not one way. You can't expect to use a 25.4 mm jaw on a
> 25.654mm nut. But if we accept that, we still only get four.
>
> Not sure where you get five from - none of the columns on the chart
> show five equivalents, whether metric, A/F or BSW.
>
> I would suggest that you are being sloppy, which is exactly what I was
> cautioning against.
>
>> - but then.. lets split hairs over the 0.20mm as well. Your a plickly plick huh. Many friends? ;-) Dit eye dot every "t" and cross every "i" .... thatell do.
>
> It is quite simple - what you are saying is not correct, whilst what I
> am telling you and have already told you is correct. The "many"
> sloppy equivalents that you claim to exist actually result in damage
> to fasteners and it is a poor practice to use anything outside the
> range shown on the chart that you provided. I will grant you,
> however, that if a particular 1" A/F is sloppy enough to fit over
> 9/16" BSW, it is fine to use it, and if it isn't, no harm done.
>
> I'm not sure why you think not commenting on mistaken notions to keep
> people happy is more important than giving them accurate information
> that will save them from heartache.
>
> I am further puzzled as to how you could bother to look up a table to
> dispute what I told you and then fail to realise that it told you
> exactly what I told you, "3 out of the 9 most commonly used BSW
> spanner sizes (1/8" to 5/8" BSW) have metric or A/F equivalents that
> are within 0.2mm of being identical.".
>
>>> None are actually identical, but three out of nine are near enough -
>>> that is not heaps.
>>>
>> http://classicmechanic.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/mm-af-bsw-bsf-spanner-conversion-chart.html
>>>
>>> And I hope that your name is not about taking the piss out of Jonz.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I think he/she is, but is making a shitful job of it!!.....
>>>
>> Hoo?
>
> I'll take that as a no, which is good. He is another fellow in this
> forum.
>


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[D Walford]

On 30/11/2013 12:44 PM, Je�us wrote:
> As per the subject heading...
>
> I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
> pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
> spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
> - otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
> living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>
> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?

> Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
> for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
> something?
>

Don't know why you can't find metric only sets, easy to find where I live.
My AF tools are 40 or so years old and rarely get used so agree they are
not all that useful unless you own something old.

--
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[D Walford]

On 30/11/2013 3:24 PM, John_H wrote:
> Je�us wrote:
>
>> As per the subject heading...
>>
>> I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
>> pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
>> spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
>> - otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
>> living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>

> You shouldn't have any problem buying a metric only set if that's what
> you require.
>

> Kinchrome and JBS for starters... I've got one of each in metric only,
> albeit different drive sizes. My �" drive Kinchrome metric set also
> contains some sizes that are hard to find elsewhere (and necessary for
> some makes of vehicle, including Toyota). It's quite a few years old
> so I'm assuming there's an equivalent in their current range.
>

My local Bunnings stocks a good range of Kinchrome tools in metric only
so they aren't hard to find here.

--
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[D Walford]

On 30/11/2013 7:09 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:44:34 +1100, Je�us <no...@all.org> wrote:
>
>> As per the subject heading...
>>
>> I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
>> pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
>> spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
>> - otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
>> living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>

> Really cheap sets, I take it?

Funny you should say that, I carry a tool box in my ute but its mostly
old cheap tools that I wouldn't miss if they were stolen and the good
tools are all at home in the garage but what's I find funny is that the
cheap crap tools seem to get used more often than the good ones because
I don't do much car work at home any more.

>
>> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
>> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
>> Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
>> for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
>> something?
>

> Inch based fasteners are still used on 21st century Fords and Holdens,
> for a start.

Mostly on engines because they are US companies, Falcons still have a
mix of af and metric fasteners.



--
Daryl

[D Walford]

On 30/11/2013 9:09 PM, Blue Heeler wrote:
> F Murtz wrote:

>
>> Je�us wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>> If you get all the metric sizes in mm increments including the less
>> common ones you will fit most nuts.
>

> Well most metric ones anyway.
>

LOL.

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[jonz]

On 11/30/2013 10:33 PM, Clocky wrote:
>
> "F Murtz" <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5299c62f$0$51592$c3e8da3$eb76...@news.astraweb.com...

>> Blue Heeler wrote:
>>> F Murtz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Je�us wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you get all the metric sizes in mm increments including the less
>>>> common ones you will fit most nuts.
>>>
>>> Well most metric ones anyway.
>>>

>> And most of the others, try it.
>
> Err, no.
>
> Near enough isn't good enough, unless your intention is to fuck the
> bolts/nuts.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Depends on the application, Smaller fasteners that only require
"nipping up" for example. Requires expertise, however.

>
>
>
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[D Walford]

On 01/12/2013 8:29 AM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:57:34 +1100, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 30/11/13 1:46 PM, Je�us wrote:
>>
>>> Yebbut... how many in Australia in 2013 *really* come across and/or
>>> want to work on such antiquated stuff. Not very many, I would wager.
>>
>> Probably not many, but there are still some of us. I've got three cars
>> and a truck in my man cave right now,
>
> Oh, for sure there are plenty out there with old cars, but the vast
> majority of people would surely have metric-only cars these days.
>

About the only things that I might use af tools on here are 2 old
outboards, a 1982 85hp Mercury and a 1980 15hp Johnson.
Everything else here is metric, 3 Toyota's and a Subaru plus my sons
newly acquired 2012 Kawasaki Ninja 300 ABS that he bought yesterday.



--
Daryl

[Xeno Lith]

They only stock and sell fast moving stuff. If it doesn't move, they
dump remaining stock and delete it from their stock lists. I would
imagine the bulk of W/W tools would be extremely slow moving tools, more
so in comparison with AF and metric.

--

Xeno

[Noddy]

On 01/12/13 9:40 AM, Jordan wrote:

> But not W/W tools!

They don't sell decent spanners of any kind.

Or quality nuts and bolts.


--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 01/12/13 9:58 AM, Clocky wrote:

> AFAIK the VE is fully metric, the first Holden to be so - IOW since 2006.
> American stuff has been moving to metric since the 70's.

If they are they're doing it at a world record slow pace.

About the only thing I know on most American cars that is metric is the
quoted size of their engines. Just about everything else is imperial.



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Noddy.

[Albm&ctd]

In article <l7dvb4$g38$1...@dont-email.me>, disc...@lotsafuel.com says...

Well yeah, you can do that all by yourself :)

Bunch of armatures and/or ammeters, the lot of you!

Al
--
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It's more fun to insult everyone including myself.

[Albm&ctd]

In article <529a86eb$0$11121$c3e...@news.astraweb.com>,
dwal...@internode.on.net says...

Your son is probably gay... or a girl :)

Al
--
I don't take sides.

It's more fun to insult everyone.

[John_H]

Je�us wrote:
>
>Thanks, I'll take a closer look at Kinchrome.

Don't rule out JBS, which are modelled on Snap-On (for a fraction of
the price) and have a very similar feel to them... if such things
appeal to you. Their 24 piece metric set (item 03396155), which
you'll find here (with a bit of digging), is very comprehensive....
http://jbstools.com/jbs-range

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[Albm&ctd]

In article <l7dovo$9r2$2...@dont-email.me>, xeno...@optusnet.com.au says...

Incestonlawn if you're not.

[Xeno Lith]

On 1/12/2013 5:54 pm, Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article <l7dovo$9r2$2...@dont-email.me>, xeno...@optusnet.com.au says...

>> On 1/12/2013 8:45 am, Jeï¿œus wrote:
>>> On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 05:43:33 +1000, John_H <john...@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul Saccani wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Go to Repco, you can get a halfway decent set of spanners in inch or
>>>>> metric, take your pick.
>>>>
>>>> Better still, go to Blackwoods and buy JBS. If past experience is
>>>> anything to go by both the available range and the prices are better,
>>>> even with a Repco trade account. (The tools are identical other than
>>>> the name stamp.)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the tip! We have a Blackwoods in Launceston.
>>>
>> That will be "Lonnie", if you're a local. ;-)
>>
>>
> Incestonlawn if you're not.
>
> Al
>

No, that would be a town called "Ouse", a very small town full of
inbreds 88 km from Hobart on the Lyell Highway. It's a bit like Snake
Valley and Powelltown in Vic.

--

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[John McKenzie]

Noddy wrote:

>
> On 30/11/13 1:46 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
> > Yebbut... how many in Australia in 2013 *really* come across and/or
> > want to work on such antiquated stuff. Not very many, I would wager.
>
> Probably not many, but there are still some of us. I've got three cars

> and a truck in my man cave right now, and the combined age of all of
> them is 170 years old :)

So even combined, they probably still _feel_ younger than you do mate!



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[John McKenzie]

In my entire life I've had only a handful of cars who were manufactured
more than about 1-2 years after I was born. Maybe 6 after my birth date
(but only just) There's not too much made post the early 70s that I
'like'. for an a-b, sure, I really can't speak highly enough of the
extreme value for money I got (and continue to reap the benefits of)
when I picked up a rego'd AU with towbar and on gas for 2 and a half
grand a while ago. They actually sold cheaper than the EL, seems nobody
likes the AU shape. I couldn't give a rat's arse - I get a functionally
almost identical vehicle for literally over a thousand dollars less
outlay, with less km on the odo, and nobody wants to steal the darn
thing. for a work hack, and a-b and now the 'main' tow car, it's bloody
hard to fault it. Since I have had it besides a battery and couple of
tyres (that one nit-wit in here would have continued to use for about
5-6 more years) and oil(s) and filters, it hasn't missed a beat or
required any major attention.

[jonz]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
You drinking high voltage grog? Hope yer doing it at ohm, and not
sharing yer negative energy amongst positive ppl. coz U will encounter
resistance And there is the potential U will suffer a rude shock, and
there will be alternating pressure to sine U into an ohm for the
terminally discharged. Better galvanise yer self into action.....
>
> Al
>


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[F Murtz]

Paul Saccani wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 05:43:33 +1000, John_H <john...@inbox.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul Saccani wrote:
>>>
>>> Go to Repco, you can get a halfway decent set of spanners in inch or
>>> metric, take your pick.
>>
>> Better still, go to Blackwoods and buy JBS. If past experience is
>> anything to go by both the available range and the prices are better,
>> even with a Repco trade account. (The tools are identical other than
>> the name stamp.)
>

> Thanks John,
>
> I gave up on Blackwoods a while ago, as they somehow always managed to
> get my orders wrong. Looks like they are worth another look.
>
That is probably because they are now owned by that orrible mob from
over your way who canceled my account with Bunnings hardware when they
took over because I did not spend $500 per month,(have not been in there
since)

[Blue Heeler]

John_H wrote:

> Don't rule out JBS, which are modelled on Snap-On (for a fraction of
> the price) and have a very similar feel to them... if such things
> appeal to you.

I bought some Kingchrome spanners recently, mainly because they
reminded me of Stahlwille.

I somehow doubt they are of the same quality though.

[Noddy]

On 01/12/13 6:53 PM, John McKenzie wrote:

> So even combined, they probably still _feel_ younger than you do mate!

ROTFL :)

Some of them even *look* younger too :)


--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 01/12/13 7:32 PM, Blue Heeler wrote:

> I bought some Kingchrome spanners recently, mainly because they
> reminded me of Stahlwille.
>
> I somehow doubt they are of the same quality though.

Nowhere near I would imagine.

Kingchrome has always been cheap shit, and over the last decade they
progressively pushed themselves towards the high end of cheap shit.
That's not to say that they're bad, and some of their stuff is quite
good, but it's getting pricey and for not much more you can buy a lot
better gear.

The advantage of Kingchrome is that you can buy it almost anywhere today.



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Noddy.

[jonz]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
Drop the "G" brainiac(s).....
>
>
>


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[Blue Heeler]

Paul Saccani wrote:

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
> > Drop the "G" brainiac(s).....
>

> Since you bring it up, don't forget the 'h"..... ;)
>
> There was actually a Kingchrome tool company in Australia, I've still
> got some of their spanners. I don't know if there is any relationship
> with Kincrome.

Alas poor Jonz.

In his never ending struggle to attain relevance the sad fact that he
got short measure when brains were handed out has yet again meant that
he has come up short.

[Clocky]

"Noddy" <m...@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
news:l7eaii$uj7$3...@dont-email.me...

Not since the 90's and certainly not Chrysler and GM.

[D Walford]

On 01/12/2013 3:05 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 05:43:33 +1000, John_H <john...@inbox.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul Saccani wrote:
>>>
>>> Go to Repco, you can get a halfway decent set of spanners in inch or
>>> metric, take your pick.
>>
>> Better still, go to Blackwoods and buy JBS. If past experience is
>> anything to go by both the available range and the prices are better,
>> even with a Repco trade account. (The tools are identical other than
>> the name stamp.)
>
> Thanks John,
>
> I gave up on Blackwoods a while ago, as they somehow always managed to
> get my orders wrong. Looks like they are worth another look.
>

I have always found them to be very expensive and they also don't seem
all that interested in customers that walk into their shops, they seem
to be more interested in their large corporate customers and retail is
just a nuisance.


--
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[D Walford]

On 01/12/2013 4:39 PM, Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article <529a86eb$0$11121$c3e...@news.astraweb.com>,
> dwal...@internode.on.net says...

>> On 01/12/2013 8:29 AM, Jeï¿œus wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:57:34 +1100, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/11/13 1:46 PM, Jeï¿œus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yebbut... how many in Australia in 2013 *really* come across and/or
>>>>> want to work on such antiquated stuff. Not very many, I would wager.
>>>>
>>>> Probably not many, but there are still some of us. I've got three cars
>>>> and a truck in my man cave right now,
>>>
>>> Oh, for sure there are plenty out there with old cars, but the vast
>>> majority of people would surely have metric-only cars these days.
>>>
>>
>> About the only things that I might use af tools on here are 2 old
>> outboards, a 1982 85hp Mercury and a 1980 15hp Johnson.
>> Everything else here is metric, 3 Toyota's and a Subaru plus my sons
>> newly acquired 2012 Kawasaki Ninja 300 ABS that he bought yesterday.
>>
>>
> Your son is probably gay

Not unless his girlfriend is a boy in disguise, if so she/he is the best
looking boy I've ever seen:-)


... or a girl :)

I haven't looked for a lot of years but I don't think so:-)

He only got his learners permit last weekend and as far as learner
approved bikes go its not too shabby, much better than a Honda 125e:-)


--
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[Noddy]

On 01/12/13 10:50 PM, Clocky wrote:

> Not since the 90's and certainly not Chrysler and GM.

Rubbish.

I *owned* a '99 Jeep Cherokee "Sport". Made by Chrysler and totally
imperial :)



--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Blue Heeler]

D Walford wrote:

> > I gave up on Blackwoods a while ago, as they somehow always managed
> > to get my orders wrong. Looks like they are worth another look.
> >
> I have always found them to be very expensive and they also don't
> seem all that interested in customers that walk into their shops,
> they seem to be more interested in their large corporate customers
> and retail is just a nuisance.

Quite the opposite experience locally.

I saw an article in a newsgroup that David Brown "cone couplers" could
be used to replace very expensive BMW engine mount vibration dampers on
the R65.

As the article included a part number I punched that into the system
and was very surprised when their computer system told me that the
local branch had stock.

I dropped in at lunch time and the counter person spent 15 minutes
finding them and then came up witht he information that they were
available in both nitril "rubber" and Urethane. I had no idea which
one, so she got me 4 of each, total bill $6.00.

I was impressed, and best of all, they fitted and worked perfectly.

[Trevor Wilson]

On 30/11/2013 12:44 PM, Je�us wrote:
> As per the subject heading...
>
> I'm about to put together a tool kit for the Hilux (will have to post
> pics soon as it's basically finished). Every set of socket and
> spanners I come across is metric/AF... which is great if you need them
> - otherwise a 50% waste of time, money and weight for most people
> living in 2013 Australia, I suspect.
>
> Unless you're working on an old Holden, Ford or other from that era,
> what use are they for the average mug mechanic in this day and age?
> Why do they insist on putting both in the same set? A waste of money
> for the buyer, at the very least. Just IMO... or have I missed
> something?
>

**Whilst not addressing your grumble, I direct you to this an Aldi tool
set available on the 7th December. It appears to be the same as one I
purchased last year. A full AF & Metric socket set, along with
screwdirvers, ring and open ended spanners, all in a nice plastic case.
Best of all, the tools are manufactured in Taiwan (NOT China) and are
made from S2 and CrV steel.



--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

[John_H]

They've never been much interested in is cash over counter... to the
extent that our local branch has a minimum cash sale amount that
doesn't apply to account customers.

Where I am they also give substantial discounts to the major local
industries, which probably make up the bulk of their account
customers. Very likely it's company policy. Their Lonnie outlet
might even support moonshiners! ;-)

They also own a considerable number of other businesses (at least
three of whom operate in my location) and the one account does all.

--
John H

[D Walford]

On 02/12/2013 4:09 AM, Blue Heeler wrote:
> D Walford wrote:
>
>>> I gave up on Blackwoods a while ago, as they somehow always managed
>>> to get my orders wrong. Looks like they are worth another look.
>>>
>> I have always found them to be very expensive and they also don't
>> seem all that interested in customers that walk into their shops,
>> they seem to be more interested in their large corporate customers
>> and retail is just a nuisance.
>
> Quite the opposite experience locally.

Could be franchised?
If so it may explain the varying attitude.

>
> I saw an article in a newsgroup that David Brown "cone couplers" could
> be used to replace very expensive BMW engine mount vibration dampers on
> the R65.
>
> As the article included a part number I punched that into the system
> and was very surprised when their computer system told me that the
> local branch had stock.
>
> I dropped in at lunch time and the counter person spent 15 minutes
> finding them and then came up witht he information that they were
> available in both nitril "rubber" and Urethane. I had no idea which
> one, so she got me 4 of each, total bill $6.00.
>
> I was impressed, and best of all, they fitted and worked perfectly.
>

Well done, the amount of helpful technical info you can now find on the
net is substantial so much so that its the first place I now look.
6mths ago our gas clothes dryer which is almost 20yrs old decided not to
heat up so it looked like we had to replace it and a new one is about
$1200, a bit of research suggested what the problem may be and how to
test for it, turned out to be 2 faulty gas valve solenoids which cost
less than $100 and 5mins to replace saving me about $1100.

--
Daryl

[D Walford]

On 02/12/2013 7:25 AM, John_H wrote:
> D Walford wrote:
>> On 01/12/2013 3:05 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:
>>>
>>> I gave up on Blackwoods a while ago, as they somehow always managed to
>>> get my orders wrong. Looks like they are worth another look.
>>>
>> I have always found them to be very expensive and they also don't seem
>> all that interested in customers that walk into their shops, they seem
>> to be more interested in their large corporate customers and retail is
>> just a nuisance.
>
> They've never been much interested in is cash over counter... to the
> extent that our local branch has a minimum cash sale amount that
> doesn't apply to account customers.

That's the way they are at the branch I have been to.

>
> Where I am they also give substantial discounts to the major local
> industries, which probably make up the bulk of their account
> customers.

Same as Repco, account customers get substantial discounts and their
retail prices are high.



--
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[Trevor Wilson]

**Oh yeah, the set is 60 Bucks.


--
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[jonz]

On 12/1/2013 9:55 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 20:20:50 +1100, jonz <disc...@lotsafuel.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/1/2013 8:16 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 01/12/13 7:32 PM, Blue Heeler wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought some Kingchrome spanners recently, mainly because they
>>>> reminded me of Stahlwille.
>>>>
>>>> I somehow doubt they are of the same quality though.
>>>
>>> Nowhere near I would imagine.
>>>
>>> Kingchrome has always been cheap shit, and over the last decade they
>>> progressively pushed themselves towards the high end of cheap shit.
>>> That's not to say that they're bad, and some of their stuff is quite
>>> good, but it's getting pricey and for not much more you can buy a lot
>>> better gear.
>>>
>>> The advantage of Kingchrome is that you can buy it almost anywhere today.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
>> Drop the "G" brainiac(s).....
>

> Since you bring it up, don't forget the 'h"..... ;)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep, my bad :(

>
> There was actually a Kingchrome tool company in Australia, I've still
> got some of their spanners. I don't know if there is any relationship
> with Kincrome.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maybe U mean king dick?....

[Clocky]

"Noddy" <m...@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message

news:l7fbdg$9jg$3...@dont-email.me...

> On 01/12/13 10:50 PM, Clocky wrote:
>
>> Not since the 90's and certainly not Chrysler and GM.
>
> Rubbish.
>
> I *owned* a '99 Jeep Cherokee "Sport". Made by Chrysler and totally
> imperial :)
>

Rubbish. Even that model dating back to the 80's has metric body and
suspension bolts.

WJ WK etc are at least 50/50 metric.

[Noddy]

On 02/12/13 11:23 AM, Clocky wrote:

> Rubbish. Even that model dating back to the 80's has metric body and
> suspension bolts.

Amazing. Mine just had to have been the odd one out, huh? Like I said, I
*owned* one and I worked on it regularly. What is *your* experience with
them again?

> WJ WK etc are at least 50/50 metric.

You know this for a fact, or is it just a statement that suits your theory?




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[Clocky]

"D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:529bbab1$0$30001$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com...

Trade prices over the counter are pretty good.

[John_H]

D Walford wrote:
>On 02/12/2013 4:09 AM, Blue Heeler wrote:
>> D Walford wrote:
>>
>>>> I gave up on Blackwoods a while ago, as they somehow always managed
>>>> to get my orders wrong. Looks like they are worth another look.
>>>>
>>> I have always found them to be very expensive and they also don't
>>> seem all that interested in customers that walk into their shops,
>>> they seem to be more interested in their large corporate customers
>>> and retail is just a nuisance.
>>
>> Quite the opposite experience locally.
>
>Could be franchised?

Nope. They're actually part of Wesfarmers... that's a very large
Western Australian based company parochial Victorians might not have
heard of. :)

They probably give better service in the other states as well. :))

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[Xeno Lith]

You are the one who invents bullshit stories to back up your bullshit
claims so why don't you tell us??

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[D Walford]

On 02/12/2013 12:41 PM, John_H wrote:
> D Walford wrote:
>> On 02/12/2013 4:09 AM, Blue Heeler wrote:
>>> D Walford wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I gave up on Blackwoods a while ago, as they somehow always managed
>>>>> to get my orders wrong. Looks like they are worth another look.
>>>>>
>>>> I have always found them to be very expensive and they also don't
>>>> seem all that interested in customers that walk into their shops,
>>>> they seem to be more interested in their large corporate customers
>>>> and retail is just a nuisance.
>>>
>>> Quite the opposite experience locally.
>>
>> Could be franchised?
>
> Nope. They're actually part of Wesfarmers...

Now they are but they started in Sydney.

that's a very large
> Western Australian based company parochial Victorians might not have
> heard of. :)
>
> They probably give better service in the other states as well. :))

It would have to be better than there service here.



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[Noddy]

On 02/12/13 12:41 PM, John_H wrote:

> Nope. They're actually part of Wesfarmers... that's a very large
> Western Australian based company parochial Victorians might not have
> heard of. :)

Most Victorians know more than you give them credit for. *Some* of them
even know where Queensland is. A few might even actually *care* :)






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