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Christopher M. J

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Jul 7, 2004, 8:43:04 AM7/7/04
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Ok, we have the stock Green motor with the manifold cast into the
head! YEEUCK

Or we go a newer six,

I have been made aware that the XF EFI 6 will fit, providing the
radiator is moved forward and other things are done.

Will the newer OHC 6's fit?

Next option, the factory six, the one in my car is actually quite
good, starts first go, revs nicely, so what are my options with this
motor? - Is it worth doing anything, with the head + manifold all cast
into one I can see it almost NOT been worth it.

Methinks the Nissan RB30 from the VL would be good :P just kidding.
Although i've seen people putting these into EH's.

The Interceptor

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Jul 7, 2004, 9:34:45 AM7/7/04
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5 litre EFI Windsor.

Brett

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atec

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Jul 7, 2004, 5:47:27 PM7/7/04
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"Christopher M. J" wrote:
>
> Ok, we have the stock Green motor with the manifold cast into the
> head! YEEUCK
>
> Or we go a newer six,
>
> I have been made aware that the XF EFI 6 will fit, providing the
> radiator is moved forward and other things are done.
>
> Will the newer OHC 6's fit?

yes . you need to trim the x under the bonnet but a simple go .

>
> Next option, the factory six, the one in my car is actually quite
> good, starts first go, revs nicely, so what are my options with this
> motor? - Is it worth doing anything, with the head + manifold all cast
> into one I can see it almost NOT been worth it.
>
> Methinks the Nissan RB30 from the VL would be good :P just kidding.
> Although i've seen people putting these into EH's.

saw an EH last Tuesday with a windsor in it , gets dragged here in
QLD...
go the ed or later , cheap and lots of them , couple of days and they
fit...

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Noddy

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Jul 7, 2004, 5:49:03 PM7/7/04
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"Christopher M. J" <cmw...@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
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> Ok, we have the stock Green motor with the manifold cast into the
> head! YEEUCK
>
> Or we go a newer six,
>
> I have been made aware that the XF EFI 6 will fit, providing the
> radiator is moved forward and other things are done.

The crossflow 6 bolts straight in without any hassles, and it's not
necessary to move anything.

> Will the newer OHC 6's fit?

I've never seen one, but I'd take a guess and say yes, *provided* you were
prepared to do some work as I believe they are a little longer than both the
other engines.

> Next option, the factory six, the one in my car is actually quite
> good, starts first go, revs nicely, so what are my options with this
> motor? - Is it worth doing anything, with the head + manifold all cast
> into one I can see it almost NOT been worth it.

The old non crossflow can be a good engine if you put some time into it, and
the best modification you can do is to fit a 2V head. It's basically a
factory "performance" head for the engine with bigger valves, better ports
and a regular "bolt on" inlet manifold.

They're getting rare with passing years, but they can still be found if you
look hard enough. Personally, I wouldn't bother unless you wanted to keep
the original engine in place for nostalgia reasons.

> Methinks the Nissan RB30 from the VL would be good :P just kidding.
> Although i've seen people putting these into EH's.

There's shitloads of engines to choose from these days, and there's no "law"
that states you have to use a Ford one.

The *easiest* swap by far in an XP is a Windsor V8, and if you want it to be
a little different then use an EFI version from an EB Falcon or NB Fairlane.
They bolt straight in (although they are tight), will instantly double your
power and torque (and then some) while retaining the benefits of a standard
and reliable engine. The XP is also a fairly light car, and with an engine
of around 170kw or so, it'll mumbo along quite nicely, too.

One swap you might consider regardless of whatever engine you decide to use
is to upgrade the fuel tank. XP's had an 11 gallon tank as standard (I think
that's around 50 litres in today's money), and if you're planning any
"enthusiastic" driving it won't give you much time between refills. I'm
fitting an XY sedan tank to my Coupe, and the benefits are twofold: It
increases the capacity to around 80 litres, and also allows the spare wheel
to lay flat in the tank well instead of standing up on the left hand side.

There's a number of useful links for early Falcons if you're interested:

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/earlyfalcons/

This one is a Yahoo discussion group centred around all things early Falcon,
and there are some very knowledgeable and helpful people who can answer just
about any question you may have.

http://xpfalcon.kicks-ass.net/

This one is a site run by a very friendly and helpful guy named Dave Colvin,
and it's dedicated specifically to XP Falcons. You'll find just about
anything you ever wanted to know about XP's here.

http://www.stormloader.com/falconccwa/

This is a link to the Early Falcon Car Club of Western Australia. I don't
know where you are, but I've included this link because their "do it
yourself" hints section is very good, and contains some very useful
information.

Have fun,

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Michael Culley

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Jul 7, 2004, 9:12:15 PM7/7/04
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"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:40ec6fcd$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

> There's shitloads of engines to choose from these days, and there's no "law"
> that states you have to use a Ford one.

Insurance can be easier if the engine is from the same manufacturer though. I got refused insurance on my EH because it had a toyota
box in it. They said I could have insured it as a standard car if it had any holden box. There might be some similarities with rego
laws also?

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Christopher M. J

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Jul 8, 2004, 5:17:21 AM7/8/04
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I did some more research into the Windsor V8, I spoke to Rob hatfield,
his kit for the engine is pretty pricy, on top of forking out the cash
for an EFI windsor. I have a friend with an EB XR8 and personally I
don't think the performance of it is anything special.

I really want to avoid carb's as I hate the devices with a "passion" &
extreme prejudice, I won't touch anything less than MPEFI.

People try and tell me carbs are easy to to play with, tune, work with
etc. All I say is 'bullshit!' Nothing is simpler than plugging a
laptop into an ECU and being able to view graphs and info on your
screen and tune from there. (Awaits flame storm!) I know that's
probably blasphemy on this board though.

So I'd rather stick with an EFI 6. And leave the door open for turbo
down the track. I've seen a few turbo XF's and onwards getting around,
I've seen some very, very nice figures been pulled from these.


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Ron the Barbarian

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cmw...@netspace.net.au (Christopher M. J) wrote in
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> I did some more research into the Windsor V8, I spoke to Rob hatfield,
> his kit for the engine is pretty pricy, on top of forking out the cash
> for an EFI windsor. I have a friend with an EB XR8 and personally I
> don't think the performance of it is anything special.
>
> I really want to avoid carb's as I hate the devices with a "passion" &
> extreme prejudice, I won't touch anything less than MPEFI.
>
> People try and tell me carbs are easy to to play with, tune, work with
> etc. All I say is 'bullshit!' Nothing is simpler than plugging a
> laptop into an ECU and being able to view graphs and info on your
> screen and tune from there. (Awaits flame storm!) I know that's
> probably blasphemy on this board though.
>
> So I'd rather stick with an EFI 6. And leave the door open for turbo
> down the track. I've seen a few turbo XF's and onwards getting around,
> I've seen some very, very nice figures been pulled from these.


Christopher,

Best get that "Knuckle Draggin Noddy" to find a nice motor for you :-)

He is a retard who loves those cars and knows fuck all about anything
modern. He should be able to find you an old Ford crossflow six with EFI
:-)

A turbo XF sounds like sticking a stick of gelignite up a draft horses
arse.

Performance won't be a problem with an old XP, you'll have enough
problems keeping it on the road :-)

Morris Syzlak

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Hello
Please letr us all know when you take your Jag on a non-stop 70,000 miles at
70 mph durability run.

Thanks.


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Adam Gibson

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Jul 8, 2004, 9:25:37 AM7/8/04
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We've got a AU1 XR6 VCT motor, gearbox and virtually all ancilliaries lying
around the workshop, under 1000km old (out of a show car, in the middle of a
V8 conversion), I'd have to ask the boss but he'd probably part with the
whole damn lot for $3k.

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Christopher M. J

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Jul 8, 2004, 9:36:11 AM7/8/04
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I can get XF efi motors, they are fairly commonish. A turbo would be
something i'd look at down the track.

I intend to upgrade the brakes on the car, along with the steering.

I'm thinking of finding a smashed EFI XF stripping it down.

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Noddy

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"Christopher M. J" <cmw...@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
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> I did some more research into the Windsor V8, I spoke to Rob hatfield,


> his kit for the engine is pretty pricy, on top of forking out the cash
> for an EFI windsor. I have a friend with an EB XR8 and personally I
> don't think the performance of it is anything special.

Firstly, the advice I would offer here is twofold:

Don't judge the performance of the injected Windsor on what you felt from a
Ride in an EB Falcon. You have to bear in mind that it's pretty simple to
wake the engine up with a few minor modificatrions, and you also have to
consider that the XP is considerably lighter than a fully loaded EB, and
that will make a huge difference to it's performance.

Secondly, Rod Hadfield is a moron, and anything he makes is rubbish. I
wouldn't use any of his stuff if you gave it to me for free :)

> I really want to avoid carb's as I hate the devices with a "passion" &
> extreme prejudice, I won't touch anything less than MPEFI.

Fine.

I'm just wondering what your budget for this car is?

> People try and tell me carbs are easy to to play with, tune, work with
> etc. All I say is 'bullshit!' Nothing is simpler than plugging a
> laptop into an ECU and being able to view graphs and info on your
> screen and tune from there. (Awaits flame storm!) I know that's
> probably blasphemy on this board though.

No, it's just an overly simplistic view.

Carbs *are* easy to tune and sort *if* you know what you're doing, but even
the best sorted carb won't be as good as a multi-point efi setup in terms of
accurate fuel delivery and economy.

However, carbs are simple, cheap and I personally think there's nothing that
compared to the sound of a 4 barrel on a V8 at fill noise.

> So I'd rather stick with an EFI 6. And leave the door open for turbo
> down the track. I've seen a few turbo XF's and onwards getting around,
> I've seen some very, very nice figures been pulled from these.

Sure, they have the potential to be very impressive.

If it were me, I'd go with an EF engine as opposed to the older XF type, as
it's a *much* smoother engine with a better crankshaft and cylinder head. It
shouldn't be too much trouble to make one fit, and you can pick up used ones
at reasonable prices these days.

If you are contemplating big horsepower, then bear in mind a point I
mentioned earlier about XP's not being the world's strongest body shell. If
you use something with any decent amount of poke, then it won't be long
before your doors start to become hard to open and close, and the rear
quarter panels crack along the top edge from the lower corners of the rear
window.

Sadly, the cars are 40 years old now and were simply never designed to
handle anything greater than around 150 horsepower. Much more than 300 and
they need some help with chassis support.

What body type do you have?

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Ron the Barbarian

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Jul 8, 2004, 6:19:18 PM7/8/04
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"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in
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>
> "Christopher M. J" <cmw...@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> news:80723ff4.04070...@posting.google.com...
>
>> I did some more research into the Windsor V8, I spoke to Rob
>> hatfield, his kit for the engine is pretty pricy, on top of forking
>> out the cash for an EFI windsor. I have a friend with an EB XR8 and
>> personally I don't think the performance of it is anything special.
>

> Secondly, Rod Hadfield is a moron, and anything he makes is rubbish. I
> wouldn't use any of his stuff if you gave it to me for free :)

Christopher, take *Noddys* comments to Rob Hatfield, and tell us what he
says about *Noddy*. LOL, this will be rich :-)

Ron the Barbarian

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"Morris Syzlak" <x...@x.com> wrote in news:2l4u8gF...@uni-berlin.de:

>
> Hello
> Please letr us all know when you take your Jag on a non-stop 70,000
> miles at 70 mph durability run.
>
> Thanks.

Morris, I'm assuming you are talking about a 60's Falcon here.

Well, Jaguar have been doing things like that at a LOT higher speeds and
a hell of a lot EARLIER in time :-)

"A final feat of durability was performed in 1952 by an XK120 coupe
(introduced in 1951) on a track in Montlhery, France. A team of crack
racing drivers, including a young Stirling Moss, pounded the Jaguar
around the Montlhery circuit for seven solid days and nights. By week's
end it had covered 27,148 km (16,862 miles, and averaged 161 km/h (100.31
mph), a truly remarkable demonstration of mechanical endurance.

When the XK120 arrived in North America, it was equally impressive. Road
& Track magazine (5/51) reported a top speed average of 121.6 mph (196
km/h), and a zero to 60 mph (96 km/h) time of 10.1 seconds. Tom McCahill
of Mechanix Illustrated recorded zero-to-60 (96) in 9.0 seconds and a top
speed of about 122 mph (196 km/h). He said the Jag rode "like a bubble in
a wash basin."

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/bv/xk120.htm

Enjoy :-)

Noddy

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"Ron the Barbarian" <Newsguy> wrote in message
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> Christopher, take *Noddys* comments to Rob Hatfield, and tell us what he
> says about *Noddy*. LOL, this will be rich :-)

Better still, ask any engineer who's had to look at his stuff :)

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Morris Syzlak

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Jul 8, 2004, 8:28:50 PM7/8/04
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"Ron the Barbarian" <Newsguy> wrote in message
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Umm, 16,000 miles doesn't really compare with 70,000. even with a 30% higher
average speed. Pretty poor example there Ron.

PLUS. The XP Durability run was completed by a handful of cars (Could be 6+,
Noddy?)
Not just one.

Noddy

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"Morris Syzlak" <x...@x.com> wrote in message
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> PLUS. The XP Durability run was completed by a handful of cars (Could be
6+,
> Noddy?)
> Not just one.

There was half a dozen cars completed the event over a period of some 8 days
or so.

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Ron the Barbarian

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"Morris Syzlak" <x...@x.com> wrote in news:2l6767F...@uni-berlin.de:

That was not the only one Morris, google it and you'll find more. I can't
be bothered.

Michael Culley

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"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:40ed...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

> There was half a dozen cars completed the event over a period of some 8 days
> or so.

So the 70,000 miles was combined?

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Kieron

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Jul 8, 2004, 10:06:37 PM7/8/04
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On 8 Jul 2004 06:36:11 -0700, cmw...@netspace.net.au (Christopher M.
J) wrote:

>I can get XF efi motors, they are fairly commonish. A turbo would be
>something i'd look at down the track.

Don't screw around with that old donk. Get yourself an EF 6, 157kw's
and you can get them for under $1K, might take a bit of mucking to fit
under the bonnet as atec mentioned, but bangs for buck its got to be
the cheapest option if you want MPEFI.


Kieron

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On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 13:25:37 GMT, "Adam Gibson"
<dgi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

>We've got a AU1 XR6 VCT motor, gearbox and virtually all ancilliaries lying
>around the workshop, under 1000km old (out of a show car, in the middle of a
>V8 conversion), I'd have to ask the boss but he'd probably part with the
>whole damn lot for $3k.

Now thats an option well worth considering Adam. The only problems I
see is the immobiliser shit in the ECU/BCM. With non VCT's you can
use the EA ECU to get around the problem (although with EF up donks
you loose the variable intake control) but I suspect the VCT has some
extra code required to run the cam adjuster.

Noddy

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"Michael Culley" <mculle...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> So the 70,000 miles was combined?

It was the sum total of a number of cars.

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Ron the Barbarian

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"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in news:40edff68
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> "Michael Culley" <mculle...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:2l6apfF84rgvU1@uni-
>
>> So the 70,000 miles was combined?
>
> It was the sum total of a number of cars.
>
>

6 plus, 10,000 each :-)
Followed by 7 tow trucks....

Noddy

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"Ron the Barbarian" <Newsguy> wrote in message
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> 6 plus, 10,000 each :-)
> Followed by 7 tow trucks....

Just to educate you a little Ron, as we all know how ignorant you can be,
the cars were raced non stop over Ford's proving ground at the You Yangs at
an average speed of around 70 miles per hour.

Not a big deal today, sure, but for 1965 it was impressive. Especially when
you consider that it was announced to the press in advance, and the "track"
was anything but smooth :)

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Christopher M. J

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I disagree with your Rod Hatfield comments, but we'll leave it at
that.

I'm not interested in the sound of a four barrel carb or an eight, I'm
interested in performance and efficiency. Noise is just a good thing
to have but far from necessary.

So for simplicity sake i'll stick with an EFI six. Need to get some
measurements of later model sixes, i got a friend with a wrecked EA
sitting in his yard, so i'll have to measure that to compare it to the
XP's engine bay.

As for the body, i'd definately look at speaking to an engineer and
finding out about strengtening the chassis. I should really state that
initially MAJOR power isn't the primary concern. - I'm just
considering options.

First things with this car is the body is going to be fix, repsprayed
etc, hopefully that'll begin later in the year.

Budget wise, it's open, it's a joint project my dad and I are doing
together over a long term.

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Ron the Barbarian

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"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in
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I guess so, the fact that an XK120 Jaguar did 17,000 miles @ 160 MPH is not
bad for Jaguar in 1952, either, Noddy :-)

Ron the Barbarian

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cmw...@netspace.net.au (Christopher M. J) wrote in
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Christoper, if its any consolation, the old and knew Falcon sixes all have
the exhaust on the drivers side. That saves one head fuck :-)

I just measured the motor in our AUIII. It is 76cm from the rear housing of
the motor to the tip of the front pulley.

Ron

Noddy

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"Ron the Barbarian" <Newsguy> wrote in message
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> I guess so, the fact that an XK120 Jaguar did 17,000 miles @ 160 MPH is
not
> bad for Jaguar in 1952, either, Noddy :-)

A Ford Falcon was 1100 quid Ron. For the price of an XK120, I'd be wanting
it to fly to the fucking moon :)

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What would each be worth now?

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Ron the Barbarian

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Well Noddy, a MKII Jaguar in 1964 was 2500 quid. I don't think that would
get you to the moon :-)

A MKIII Zephyr 1,500, a Humber Hawk 1,800, a Chevrolet bel-Air 2,580, a
Fairlane 2,250, a Chrysler V8 3,150, and a Rolls Royce 9,000. Combine them
and you may get to Florida...

Noddy

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"Ron the Barbarian" <Newsguy> wrote in message
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> Well Noddy, a MKII Jaguar in 1964 was 2500 quid. I don't think that would
> get you to the moon :-)
>
> A MKIII Zephyr 1,500, a Humber Hawk 1,800, a Chevrolet bel-Air 2,580, a
> Fairlane 2,250, a Chrysler V8 3,150, and a Rolls Royce 9,000. Combine
them
> and you may get to Florida...

I presume there's some relevance in all of this shit, but I'm fucked if I
can see it.

You were comparing an XP and an XK 120. What does all this other crap have
to do with it?

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Noddy

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"Michael Culley" <mculle...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> What would each be worth now?

Either are "worth" whatever someone is willing to pay for one.

Very good XP sedans are advertised in the order of 5 to 10 grand, while
coupes are anywhere between 5 and 20. XK120's are what, 50 large or so for a
nice one? Ron might be able to answer that with a little more accuracy.

Whether or not any are selling for this money I can't tell you.

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atec

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Jul 9, 2004, 2:02:18 AM7/9/04
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Don't tell the wife ron but I just bought a less motor and box MKII :_)
any one got a v12 handy ? ( its a 62 model)

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atec

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Jul 9, 2004, 2:05:31 AM7/9/04
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L300 front end used will be about 200$ . 4 speed auto and ed donk
locally is cheap ( whole car under 2k) drop the front end in and then
trim the shock towers and add motor and box. instant grunt and brakes...

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Ron the Barbarian

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>

XK120 is 1952, I'm being fair with prices closer to the year of your
Falcon.

Ron the Barbarian

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atec <"atec77(notspam)"@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Don't tell the wife ron but I just bought a less motor and box MKII
> :_)
> any one got a v12 handy ? ( its a 62 model)
>

If it is good nik or repairable, they are pulling up to 30 grand.

Depends what you want to do with it.

atec

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cost me no cash . needs paint and a little tlc
measurements indicate a 12 would fit well. 4 speed auto and some boost
would be good.
I can get a scat crank and rod/piston set for 3500$ , adds almost 2
liters.. :_)

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>
> "Michael Culley" <mculle...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:2l6jbpF...@uni-berlin.de...
>
>> What would each be worth now?
>
> Either are "worth" whatever someone is willing to pay for one.
>
> Very good XP sedans are advertised in the order of 5 to 10 grand,
> while coupes are anywhere between 5 and 20. XK120's are what, 50 large
> or so for a nice one? Ron might be able to answer that with a little
> more accuracy.


Jaguar XK120's are quite rare now, usually bought by a collect the moment
they appear. That model ran from 1948 to 1954. Oddly enough I know of 6
in QLD, from unrestored to concours. The car had a DOHC 6 dual SU's, 3.4
litre, top speed 120 mph, 0 to 100 kph in 9.8 seconds. In 1953 Norman
Dewis ran one at Jabbeke and clocked 173 mph @ WELL over 7,000 rpm, on a
two way sprint.


I did a google for you and found these.

In the UK, a 53 roadster top condition, $101,891.60AU, a 50 roadster
excellent condition $128,016.04AU.

Australia, one in NSW, restored 1950 roadster, $75,000AU and one in SA,
FHC in very good condition $55,000AU.

Ron

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atec <"atec77(notspam)"@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Murray Sanderson at JagRover Spares, Kelvin Grove, usually has a few
V12's around. There is a mob in NZ and another in Melb who have fitted,
V12's, XJ8's and the AJ6 in MKII's.

Ron the Barbarian

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athol <m...@privacy.net> wrote in news:2l70i4F...@uni-berlin.de:

> Noddy <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Secondly, Rod Hadfield is a moron, and anything he makes is rubbish.
>> I wouldn't use any of his stuff if you gave it to me for free :)
>

> Rumour has it that the arrogant bastard has sold the business.
>
> I've always found most of his stuff to be okay. Certainly better than
> anything from Dellow...

Wow, I thought dellow was supposed to be the "Ducks guts" in conversions.

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athol <m...@privacy.net> wrote in news:2l74knF...@uni-berlin.de:

> Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy> wrote:


>> athol <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> Noddy <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>> Secondly, Rod Hadfield is a moron, and anything he makes is
>>>> rubbish. I wouldn't use any of his stuff if you gave it to me for
>>>> free :)
>
>>> Rumour has it that the arrogant bastard has sold the business.
>
>>> I've always found most of his stuff to be okay. Certainly better
>>> than anything from Dellow...
>
>> Wow, I thought dellow was supposed to be the "Ducks guts" in
>> conversions.
>

> Well, with an attitude that's worse than Rod Hadfield's and quality
> control on par with Leyland (eg bellhousing with the centre of the
> transmission 6mm off centre from the centre of the crankshaft), I
> would only use Dellow parts if I'd inspected the parts closely for
> manufacturing flaws and measured them to make sure that they are
> the right shape.
>

I'll keep that in mind :-)

Noddy

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> Well, with an attitude that's worse than Rod Hadfield's and quality
> control on par with Leyland (eg bellhousing with the centre of the
> transmission 6mm off centre from the centre of the crankshaft), I
> would only use Dellow parts if I'd inspected the parts closely for
> manufacturing flaws and measured them to make sure that they are
> the right shape.

I've had similar experiences with Castlemaine Rod shop stuff, particularly
their stub axles, and I'd be pretty reluctant to recommend them to anyone
myself.

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Graham W

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Jul 9, 2004, 10:12:49 AM7/9/04
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Noddy wrote:

This stuff was all the rage at the time, BMC did a similar run with
Morris Minors in the late 1950s or early 1960s, including some mad
hairbrained scheme for doing oiol changes on the cars at 60mph.

John McKenzie

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Ron the Barbarian wrote:
>
> "Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in
> news:40ed...@dnews.tpgi.com.au:

>
> >
> > "Christopher M. J" <cmw...@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:80723ff4.04070...@posting.google.com...
> >
> >> I did some more research into the Windsor V8, I spoke to Rob
> >> hatfield, his kit for the engine is pretty pricy, on top of forking
> >> out the cash for an EFI windsor. I have a friend with an EB XR8 and
> >> personally I don't think the performance of it is anything special.
> >
> > Secondly, Rod Hadfield is a moron, and anything he makes is rubbish. I
> > wouldn't use any of his stuff if you gave it to me for free :)
>
> Christopher, take *Noddys* comments to Rob Hatfield, and tell us what he
> says about *Noddy*. LOL, this will be rich :-)

Just to fuel the fire, I can categorically state from involvement in
both torana and general valiant circles that there's no shortage of
(quite serious) questions as to the workmanship and accuracy of certain
products to come from CRS. There's some stuff that's a-ok (and I can
attest to that) but there's some that clearly isn't, and he's none too
keen to address any problems either.

http://p206.ezboard.com/fmoparmarketfrm1.showMessage?topicID=2348.topic

is about the most recent which comes to mind.

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athol wrote:

>
> Noddy <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Secondly, Rod Hadfield is a moron, and anything he makes is rubbish. I
> > wouldn't use any of his stuff if you gave it to me for free :)
>
> Rumour has it that the arrogant bastard has sold the business.

It's been up for sale for what? bit over a year now?


>
> I've always found most of his stuff to be okay. Certainly better than
> anything from Dellow...

I think most of the 'differences of opinion' are not the bellhousings,
but other suspension/chassis gear.

> The OHG mixer sounds quite good IM(NSH)O. It's a big single venturi,
> and the one on the Volvo dumps into a Rochester throttle body.
>

Any pics, or even a measurement of this rochester tb?

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athol <m...@privacy.net> wrote in news:2lhehiF...@uni-berlin.de:

> John McKenzie <jm...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
> Part number TB9-3. Adapted to the X-450 using a GANN adapter. There
> are 2 adapters - a tall one that achieves good mixing and a shorter
> one that is a compromise but gives an overall height about the same as
> a Rochester or Holley.
>
> I have a small b&w picture in a photocopied Gameco catalogue.

Possibly in here http://www.gameco.com.au/letabl02.htm

Ron

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