illegal to wash cars in driveway in vic
Crunchy Frog
street or driveway, with fines up to $4000. You will only be allowed to wash
cars on your lawn or at a propper (expensive) car washing place.
everytime I park my car on the grass to wash it I get huge muddy marks. oh
well
Skitza
that has to be a joke
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Wazzup
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the
> street or driveway, with fines up to $4000. You will only be allowed to
wash
> cars on your lawn or at a propper (expensive) car washing place.
My driveway is two strips of concrete with lawn in the middle, best of both
worlds?
Lucifer-V8
>
> Saw in today's paper - they want to make it illegal to wash your car in the
> street or driveway, with fines up to $4000. You will only be allowed to wash
> cars on your lawn or at a propper (expensive) car washing place.
They can get fucked! My driveway! my land! they aint gonna stop me
washing my cars on the driveway! I'd piss on it if want to as well :-p
--
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Oracle
place if you haven't got lawn. Sounds like these dickheads are looking for
something to do.
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Oracle
where's it all going to end!
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Lucifer-V8
>
> isn't there a law against public urination aswell?
Yeah probably is.
>
> where's it all going to end!
When we are all dead. :-/
Lord Ponsenby
news:JNRg9.5381$Ee4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
So, used to be legal to wash cars wherever you liked.
Soon, it won't be.
Let's rephrase a little.
Now, it's NOT ILLEGAL on the roadway/footpath.
And soon, there will be a law passed making it ILLEGAL to do it.
The penalty will be "up to" $4000 FFS.
Interesting.
Control, people, that's what this is about.
Once upon a time not so long ago, you could walk into a chemist
and buy, over the counter no questions asked, Opiates - usually in
the form of 'cough mixtures'. Addicts, and there were a reasonable
number of them, simply got their supplies from the good
apothecaries, and there were few if any 'social' problems
attached.
Once upon a time not so long ago, you could grow Marijuana, dry
it, chop it up and smoke it. No questions asked. Totally legal
plant.
Once upon a time not so long ago, Cocoa extracts were legitimately
used in Cola drinks. (Not just the well-know brands). No problem
at all. Not any more.
It's just like speed limits and other LAWS applied to motor
vehicles.
The bastards enacting all these laws are totally out of control.
How to stop them?
Now there's a problem, isn't it.
--
Toby
kinobi
Uncle Bully
Not sure about your particular area but the main reason for this logic where
I live is that all the chemicals from detergents etc end in public waterways
and beaches and kills the wildlife.
It's not so much the driveway but the run off. If you ensure your waste
water is disposed of correctly there would be no problem.
If we weren't polluting the environment in the first place, then it wouldn't
have to come to this.
^Serialpest^
between the gutter and your letterbox which is technically the footpath and
not belonging to the homeowner. I doubt your council would be able to pass
such a pathetic law or more so be able to police it.
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The Red Krawler
Does that include hanging a piss in your own front yard?
Marco Spaccavento
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the
> street or driveway, with fines up to $4000. You will only be allowed to
wash
> cars on your lawn or at a propper (expensive) car washing place.
I had been under the impression that it was already illegal to wash your car
on your driveway in NSW for years (although maybe they were just thinking
about it). Problem is, the phosphates, detergent etc that gets washed off
your car goes into storm water drains and causes havoc in the river system.
If I wash my car on the lawn though, I get yelled at.
Presumably if you can stop your soapy suds from going into a storm water
drain then there should be no problem with washing your car on the driveway?
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Kittbagg
road or driveway in the Waverly area of Sydney - local bylaw to prevent
pollution and as a water saving initiative.
Kittbagg
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little more work
Marco Spaccavento
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> It is (or was when I was in Sydney in1998) illegal to wash your car on the
> road or driveway in the Waverly area of Sydney - local bylaw to prevent
> pollution and as a water saving initiative.
It might be a local by-law here in Liverpool too, not 100% sure. In any
case, I don't know of anyone who has ever been done for it.
Lucifer-V8
Uncle Bully wrote:
> Not sure about your particular area but the main reason for this logic where
> I live is that all the chemicals from detergents etc end in public waterways
> and beaches and kills the wildlife.
> It's not so much the driveway but the run off. If you ensure your waste
> water is disposed of correctly there would be no problem.
> If we weren't polluting the environment in the first place, then it wouldn't
> have to come to this.
Yeah good point! Maybe I should get a water recycling and filtration
system happeing at the house. I love animals so I don't want to cause
harm to them too.
D Walford
I read the article and it claimed that the runoff, soap, grease and
grime etc is causing pollution of the rivers and waterways etc.
I don't think they really care what you do to your driveway as long as
whatever you do it doesn't go down the stormwater drain:-)
Daryl
Lucifer-V8
> > Regards
> > Dan. 93 S2 VP A4, 00 S1 VX M6.
>
> I read the article and it claimed that the runoff, soap, grease and
> grime etc is causing pollution of the rivers and waterways etc.
> I don't think they really care what you do to your driveway as long as
> whatever you do it doesn't go down the stormwater drain:-)
Ahhh ok then I didn't get to read the article!. Suppose I can be
biodegradable myself! just drink a lot of beer and pee in a bucket and
add car wash to it! :-) But really water runs down to my garden and the
roses come up magnificent! :-)
gouch
> hahaha wtf ???
> that has to be a joke
'fraid not, most councils in sydney and newcastle don't allow
it.
When you really think about it, what your doing is pumping
phosphors
down the drain which ends up in creeks etc, and then you wonder why
your local
creek has this lovely blue green algae colour when it hasn't rained
for a while. stormwater is not treated and what you put down them
you'll probably see at the ocean a few days later.
The stormwater in my area (lake macquarie) goes into a creek
then into
the lake all in less than 4 km. no wonder we don't have any tadpoles
swimming
in creeks anymore. (that and i probably caught them all as a kid!)
cheers
gouch
Albm&ctd
<wakeu...@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote:
>Not sure about your particular area but the main reason for this logic where
>I live is that all the chemicals from detergents etc end in public waterways
>and beaches and kills the wildlife.
>It's not so much the driveway but the run off. If you ensure your waste
>water is disposed of correctly there would be no problem.
>If we weren't polluting the environment in the first place, then it wouldn't
>have to come to this.
I only use plain soap that won't hurt a baby so I guess I'm a koala
molesting fugging greenie. Doesn't strip off the wax either. Paint on
the bike is original and about 17 years old. Why the fu*k would you
want to use nasty chemicals on your paint anyway?
Al
Forg
> hahaha wtf ???
> that has to be a joke
...
Runoff of detergents into drains has nasty effects
on the environment; that'll be the reason for it.
It's another one of those things where just
because we've always done something doesn't make
it OK; however, I don't know the extent of the
problems it causes.
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"...
this crazy Forg surrounds me
..."
[Live - "When Dolphins Cry"]
Forg
> I think the issue here relates to parking a car on the part of a driveway
> between the gutter and your letterbox which is technically the footpath and
> not belonging to the homeowner. I doubt your council would be able to pass
> such a pathetic law or more so be able to police it.
...
It was illegal in Sydney (or was it all of NSW?)
to wash your car on the road or your driveway last
time there were water shortages; mind you, that
was for a different reason.
Forg
...
> They can get fucked! My driveway! my land! they aint gonna stop me
> washing my cars on the driveway!
...
They don't care what you do on your land; they
care what comes off it. You're not allowed to run
little streams of dioxins into the gutter either. :)
Forg
...
> Not sure about your particular area but the main reason for this logic where
> I live is that all the chemicals from detergents etc end in public waterways
> and beaches and kills the wildlife.
...
It'd be nice if they put out public appeals not to
do it; most people have a lawn, after all, and
most people would comply 'cos it's no more effort.
Then if enough people still refuse you start
doing something about it; but it seems stupid just
to pass a law like this.
But then, on the other side of it, there's
something to be said for encouraging people to
just not own a car; if they ain't got lawn, and
they ain't got a designated car-wash bay, then in
Sydney at least there's a good chance they're
pretty close to reasonable public-transport.
Vinnie
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Darren Wilson
wrote:
> Saw in today's paper - they want to make it illegal to wash your car in the
> street or driveway, with fines up to $4000. You will only be allowed to wash
> cars on your lawn or at a propper (expensive) car washing place.
>
> everytime I park my car on the grass to wash it I get huge muddy marks. oh
> well
Fuck them.
They are only there until the next election.
Michael L
wheel.
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Michael L
(Melbourne) truly has a bylaw that makes it illegal for anyone to do
mechanical work on their car at their home?
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Darren Wilson
> isn't there a law against public urination aswell?
Lord-Data
would end up at the back of your yard in the dirt .. have to be just the
same as doing it on the lawn ..
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Darren Wilson
> Runoff of detergents into drains has nasty effects
> on the environment; that'll be the reason for it.
Hang on, it already is...
Heath Young
>and buy, over the counter no questions asked, Opiates - usually in
>the form of 'cough mixtures'.
Yeah - you still can - CODRAL, PANADENE etc etc.
All contain Codene Phosphate - an opiate, and highly addictive.
Cheers
Heath Young
Lord Ponsenby wrote:
> Crunchy Frog posted in
> news:JNRg9.5381$Ee4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
>
> > Saw in today's paper - they want to make it illegal to wash
> > your car in the street or driveway, with fines up to $4000. You
> > will only be allowed to wash cars on your lawn or at a propper
> > (expensive) car washing place.
> >
> > everytime I park my car on the grass to wash it I get huge
> > muddy marks. oh well
> >
> >
>
> So, used to be legal to wash cars wherever you liked.
> Soon, it won't be.
> Let's rephrase a little.
> Now, it's NOT ILLEGAL on the roadway/footpath.
> And soon, there will be a law passed making it ILLEGAL to do it.
> The penalty will be "up to" $4000 FFS.
> Interesting.
>
> Control, people, that's what this is about.
>
> Once upon a time not so long ago, you could walk into a chemist
> and buy, over the counter no questions asked, Opiates - usually in
> the form of 'cough mixtures'. Addicts, and there were a reasonable
> number of them, simply got their supplies from the good
> apothecaries, and there were few if any 'social' problems
> attached.
>
> Once upon a time not so long ago, you could grow Marijuana, dry
> it, chop it up and smoke it. No questions asked. Totally legal
> plant.
>
> Once upon a time not so long ago, Cocoa extracts were legitimately
> used in Cola drinks. (Not just the well-know brands). No problem
> at all. Not any more.
>
> It's just like speed limits and other LAWS applied to motor
> vehicles.
> The bastards enacting all these laws are totally out of control.
> How to stop them?
> Now there's a problem, isn't it.
>
> --
> Toby
>
>
John McKenzie
>
> >Once upon a time not so long ago, you could walk into a chemist
> >and buy, over the counter no questions asked, Opiates - usually in
> >the form of 'cough mixtures'.
>
> Yeah - you still can - CODRAL, PANADENE etc etc.
>
> All contain Codene Phosphate - an opiate, and highly addictive.
I get your point on a technical basis, but he is talking about heroin -
It used to be sold over the counter (arguably still is in Russel Street
- which anyone unfortunate to have had to wrok there at night could tell
you_). It's - I guess - like the top shelf of that particular drug.
To the best of my knowledge, codeine is not available on it's own - it
is added to other much less effective (and in all honesty far more
harmful in the context of use as a pain killer, not in terms of some
sort of long term drug abuse) pain killers - and is pharmacy only
medicine. I don't know, but would bet the other painkillers are added in
to make codeine abuse almost impossible. You would reach a hospital stay
or lethal dose of paracetemol or ibuprofen (dunno what the ld is for
aspirin but I suspect it's a little lower - though stomach ulcers would
get the long terms user in short order I would imagine even if toxicity
is not lethal) before you got to a sizeable amount of codeine I would
think. Enough that it could affect alertness of the normal citizen or
their ability to drive or operate machinery, but certainly not enough to
keep a junkie satisfied.
I went to the chemist recently when i had the flu and had to work (and I
work outdoors at night) to get something to allow me to breathe freely
enough that I could manage, and now thanks to fucking illicit drug
manufacturers you can't get things like sudafed anymore. There was some
other preparations but they contained varying amounts of other stuff
including paracetemol which I don't tolerate particularly well. Fuck me
dead what next - it will be illegal to buy cutlery because junkies use
the spoons to cook up their hits with :)
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Lord Ponsenby
> I went to the chemist recently when i had the flu and had to
> work (and I work outdoors at night) to get something to allow
> me to breathe freely enough that I could manage, and now thanks
> to fucking illicit drug manufacturers you can't get things like
> sudafed anymore. There was some other preparations but they
> contained varying amounts of other stuff including paracetemol
> which I don't tolerate particularly well. Fuck me dead what
> next - it will be illegal to buy cutlery because junkies use
> the spoons to cook up their hits with :)
>
>
Heh,
Pseudoephredrine still lurks in some of the more expensive
day/night things - in the daytime ones of course.
Might be worth a try.
With Lactose - presumably to stuff 'home' chemists up, and would
you believe dextromethorphan hydrobromide.
Interesting link -
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_general_info.shtml#toc
.4.2
Still can buy sudafed, but you need to be wearing a suit and have
a trimmed, or no, beard. Helps to look sick without red eyes, too.
Hint from the local chemist...
You're right about spoons - bet you can't buy six-packs of
teaspoons in certain supermarkets anymore.
If our friends in Government were serious, they'd get those
plastic lighters off the market. Heard tell they get at least one
'face burned off' victim a week in this little city alone, largely
due to use of bongs with big(er) cones.
But they're not really serious.
Interesting you mention ibuprofen - rips the lining fair off your
stomach - does for mine, anyway.
Solution? Peddle it for period pain!! A few days at a time for
each instance of use supposedly won't get the rogues sued by irate
customers - voila - instant market shift, and still selling.
I fondly remember the graffiti on the building for "Bex" years ago
- Our pain is your profit -
Sometimes I reckon the local 'dealer' has to be less dangerous.
--
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Motorist's Advocate
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> "Skitza" <llas...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> > hahaha wtf ???
> > that has to be a joke
>
>
> 'fraid not, most councils in sydney and newcastle don't allow
> it.
> When you really think about it, what your doing is pumping
> phosphors
> down the drain which ends up in creeks etc,
Which is why some car detergents contain no phosphore! (Also to Forg:-)
Motorist's Advocate
"Vinnie" <vhiiSp...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> wash it in the garage!?!
Wash it (enlosed garage) on your land not on a 'road related area' except
when water restrictions are in place in your location.
Jeremy.
Motorist's Advocate
> road or driveway in the Waverly area of Sydney - local bylaw to prevent
> pollution and as a water saving initiative.
The reason has arisen due to the Australian Road Rules in relation to what
is a 'road related area' etc. Some Councils are fond of penalising drivers
in breach, some local police too.
Jeremy
Motorist's Advocate
"Forg"
> It was illegal in Sydney (or was it all of NSW?)
> to wash your car on the road or your driveway last
> time there were water shortages; mind you, that
> was for a different reason.
>
Correct Forg, this applies whenever water restrictions are in place for the
given area regardless of the parked position of the vehicle.
The limitation to washing your car on a 'road related area' is a seperate
issue. See other post.
Jeremy
Motorist's Advocate
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the
> street or driveway, with fines up to $4000. You will only be allowed to
wash
> cars on your lawn or at a propper (expensive) car washing place.
This may be a revenue grab based on the Australian Road Rules in relation to
what is called in that legislation a 'road related area'.
My copy of the ARR is up the road - I'll re-check and post to further
clarify if needed.
Many jurisdictions have complaints where councils in particular are choosing
to enforce this.
> everytime I park my car on the grass to wash it I get huge muddy marks. oh
> well
Mmmm, try one of those hose trigger thingy's.
Marco Spaccavento
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>
> It'd be nice if they put out public appeals not to
> do it; most people have a lawn, after all, and
> most people would comply 'cos it's no more effort.
I would very much like to comply, and if it wasn't for my lawn-fanatic
father, I would :(
Scott Hillard
news:<41Sg9.5427$Ee4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > hahaha wtf ???
> > that has to be a joke
> 'fraid not, most councils in sydney and newcastle don't allow it.
They can go to hell.
Janet Dore lives around the corner from me, if she doesn't like it, she's
yet to send one of her bovva boys around.
Councils are useless havens for gutless no-hopers. Around here they think
they can stop people from altering their homes anyway they please by
slapping a $15K "heritage" fine on you for doing so. They clearly haven't
worked out that some people are prepared to pay the $15K out of spite.
Skystar
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In today's paper Bracks ruled out introducing this law, so fellas, you can
all relax for the time being.
Lord Ponsenby
news:u8gh9.10716$Ee4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
> In today's paper Bracks ruled out introducing this law, so
> fellas, you can all relax for the time being.
>
>
Don't believe anyone in Vic should relax until those scurvy speed
cameras are dismantled and donated to local fetes for destructo
stalls.
--
Toby
Albm&ctd
<fi...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>Fuck them.
>
>They are only there until the next election.
>
Perhaps a touching green poem is appropriate.
Title
Greenies Ain't Got Farken Brains.
Verse (1)
Get that greenie out of your farken Vic drains
and plug the dripping wet fukker into the 240 mains....
because greenies are severe arse pains.
Verse (2)
Dirt off cars WILL end up in the farken drains
because green shit happens when it farken rains.
Author
Al (BM&CTD)
Advertisement
Koalas
Bisected (environmentally friendly Makita electric chainsaw)
Roos
Asphyxiated (by Lada catalytic converter fumes)
Forg
...
> Correct Forg, this applies whenever water restrictions are in place for the
> given area regardless of the parked position of the vehicle.
>
> The limitation to washing your car on a 'road related area' is a seperate
> issue. See other post.
...
There actually were restrictions where you could
only wash your car on the lawn, because you were
watering the lawn as well, and you couldn't do it
in the middle of the day. 'Twas a while ago now,
though.
Forg
> what about driveways that run AWAY from the road, and hence all run-off's
> would end up at the back of your yard in the dirt .. have to be just the
> same as doing it on the lawn ..
...
I'm pretty sure that's OK; at least, around here
it is.
Albm&ctd
Lord Ponsenby
> OK but can you wash your dick in your driveway?
>
> Al
>
My reading of the legislation indicates it's OK only if you don't
use detergents containing non bio-degradeable materials.
The authorites will happily ignore similar material disloged from
you dick in the process.
--
Toby
Scott Hillard
> Yeah good point! Maybe I should get a water recycling and filtration
> system happeing at the house. I love animals so I don't want to cause
> harm to them too.
I love animals too, and small children, and wouldn't harm either.
Unless they were standing somewhere that had to be bombed in the national
interest.
Kieron Murphy
(Albm&ctd) wrote:
>>
>>Not if you piss on the passenger side wheel of the car.
>>
>OK but can you wash your dick in your driveway?
Yeah, but you can't wash it to fast cause you'll run foul of another
law.
Albm&ctd
<shil...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>"Lucifer-V8" <bug...@off.com> wrote in message
>news:3D843613...@off.com...
>
>> Yeah good point! Maybe I should get a water recycling and filtration
>> system happeing at the house. I love animals so I don't want to cause
>> harm to them too.
>
>
>I love animals too, and small children, and wouldn't harm either.
>
I don't love animals or children. I mean y'gotta draw the line
somewhere in your sex life.
Al
st3ph3nm
> Crunchy Frog wrote:
> >
> > Saw in today's paper - they want to make it illegal to wash your car in the
> > street or driveway, with fines up to $4000. You will only be allowed to wash
> > cars on your lawn or at a propper (expensive) car washing place.
>
OUR waterways.
> they aint gonna stop me
> washing my cars on the driveway! I'd piss on it if want to as well :-p
Don't waste good urine on the driveway - tomatoes LOVE it!
Seriously, whilst it shouldn't be a law (some people don't have a lawn
they can use), it should be something that you do if you can. Saves
watering the lawn, and saves detergents running off into our
waterways.
Cheers,
Steve
gouch
>
> Which is why some car detergents contain no phosphore! (Also to Forg:-)
yes good point , but the drain is for rain (sorry to drag out the ad
campaign)
It is only for rain, not soap, or mud from under the wheel arches of
4wds or
cigarette butts or anything else.
Sure i've been guilty of doing that in the past but now i live near
the water and swim in whatever goes in the drain i'm a lot more
concience of what ends up there.
This whole concept of fining people insane amounts does shit me and
council's definately need tying up and shooting, and maybe if people
are treated with more respect by these councils (and the epa) there
wouldn't be the "fuck them" attitude i've seen in the messages so far.
cheers
gouch
Albm&ctd
wrote:
Yeh but what if you just wanted to see if it still worked after
washing?
Al
Kieron Murphy
(Albm&ctd) wrote:
>>>OK but can you wash your dick in your driveway?
>>
>>Yeah, but you can't wash it to fast cause you'll run foul of another
>>law.
>
>Yeh but what if you just wanted to see if it still worked after
>washing?
hehe, just go find a quite street I guess, just don't thrash it!
Kenny Leong
Yeah...it's pretty funny to wonder about the number of cars, planes,
trucks, ships out there in the world that burn petrol and pollute the
air every day with the chemicals....and draining the planet of natural
resources. And so many factories around the world that's doing the
same thing....and we have laws about washing cars.
Kenny L.
