Territory ball joints - is it a one time fix
Freddy
joint issue on models prior to 2009 SY MkII. Aparently if you take it to
Ford for a service and they notice worn joints they will fix it under
warranty, even if it's done over 150k.
I haven't been able to determine, for sure, if it's a one time fix or if the
replacement joints are likely to premeraturely wear also. If it isn't (a one
time fix) and it needs doing again will Ford replace these under warranty
and what sort of money is it likely to cost.
Cheers
atec77
it doensn't mitigate the other problems terrys have
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"Freddy" <fred...@crbussol.cam.au> wrote in message
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> I've been researching used Territorys and found out there is a front ball
> joint issue on models prior to 2009 SY MkII. Aparently if you take it to
> Ford for a service and they notice worn joints they will fix it under
> warranty, even if it's done over 150k.
Apparently, but the gotcha is getting them to do it.
There is a *long* waiting list, and as dealers earn bugger all for warranty
work compared to normal retail servicing they tend to be in no hurry to do
them.
> I haven't been able to determine, for sure, if it's a one time fix or if
> the replacement joints are likely to premeraturely wear also. If it isn't
> (a one time fix) and it needs doing again will Ford replace these under
> warranty and what sort of money is it likely to cost.
There is no permanent fix for the Territory front suspension other than to
simply keep replacing ball joints, as the replacements are as piss poor as
the ones being replaced. The problem is basically a lack of lubrication, as
the joints have no lube point and they dry out and wear *very* rapidly. The
SY series II got a revised front end, but it doesn't fix the issue of
accelerated ball joint wear. what it *did* do was change the ball joint
arrangement from one of tension to compression so when the ball joint wears
all it does is knock. In the older models the ball joint pulls out of the
lower arm causing the front suspension collapse completely, with predictable
results as far as steering and handling are concerned (along with
considerable panel damage as the wheel tucks up under the body)
The best solution in my opinion is to have the lower ball joints drilled and
tapped for grease nipples, and for them to be greased on a regular basis.
Doing so to my SY Ghia about 12 months ago has kept the joints fairly happy,
although it's now done 90k km and the front left one is knocking every time
it rides over an irregularity.
My advice, for what it's worth, is that you *not* buy a Territory as they're
a *very* poorly made vehicle with a *lot* of issues. They're a great
concept, but they feel like they're made in a sheltered workshop.
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>
>
> My advice, for what it's worth, is that you *not* buy a Territory as
> they're a *very* poorly made vehicle with a *lot* of issues. They're a
> great concept, but they feel like they're made in a sheltered workshop.
I wonder if they have addressed the issues in the new model territory.
I've seen some pics of the new Territory can't say that I am all that
impressed, more than happy to stick with the Sante Fe really.
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Dan.
Clocky
Ford don't fix issues, they just keep throwing the same crap components at
the problem until the car is out of warranty.
Radiators in Falcons, balljoints and rust in Territories... who knows what
else.
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>
> Ford don't fix issues, they just keep throwing the same crap components at
> the problem until the car is out of warranty.
> Radiators in Falcons, balljoints and rust in Territories... who knows what
> else.
Yup god knows what the new one will bring out when it comes to gremlins and
problems.
The funny thing is that the 93 XR6 falcon I bought for $1500 and I had a
good look around at it today for rust. And there is only 1 rust spot that I
found and its from the stone chip on the bonnet.
Only took a year for the cancer to start to eat away the terrioty rear end.
I know this is going for the 8 ball with a rope but I find that the EB XR6
is better built that the territrory we had.
Tall order I know. :-)
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Noddy
"Clocky" <not...@happen.com> wrote in message
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> Ford don't fix issues, they just keep throwing the same crap components at
> the problem until the car is out of warranty.
> Radiators in Falcons, balljoints and rust in Territories... who knows what
> else.
Lots as far as the Terry is concerned, and the new five speed Ford auto is
apparently falling over in droves. I'm sorry to say it but Ford haven't
built anything other than cheap rubbish in this country for a while, and
it's about time they gave up and just became importers.
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Dan---
>
> Lots as far as the Terry is concerned, and the new five speed Ford auto is
> apparently falling over in droves. I'm sorry to say it but Ford haven't
> built anything other than cheap rubbish in this country for a while, and
> it's about time they gave up and just became importers.
Speaking of imported Fords in the Focus to open the bonnet you need to use
the drivers key as the locking is located under the badge.
I don't have much experiences with Ford Focus's but what a daft idea.
Just another brilliant scheme to cut costs for not installing a leaver type
inside bonnet latch.
Car manufactuers seem to enjoy stuffing with peoples minds with this kind of
bullshit.
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Dan.
Noddy
"Dan---" <no...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Speaking of imported Fords in the Focus to open the bonnet you need to use
> the drivers key as the locking is located under the badge.
Grouse.
Still, with Fords currently snapping off the bonnet release cable handle
every third time you try to open the bonnet that's probably a better idea :)
> I don't have much experiences with Ford Focus's but what a daft idea.
Cunt of an idea actually.
> Just another brilliant scheme to cut costs for not installing a leaver
> type inside bonnet latch.
> Car manufactuers seem to enjoy stuffing with peoples minds with this kind
> of bullshit.
Ford seem to be obsessed with it lately. That and building cars out of
plastic they bought in bulk from Tandy in 1980.
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> Picky... I know.
> Don't leave the grease fitting there. Put a wee bolt there in between
> 'attentions'.
Why?
> Even if it means getting in there and swapping the bolt out
> just before the dealer service.
Dealer Service?
I used to be a service manager at a dealership, and a dealership service
department is the *last* place on earth I'd ever take a car to be worked on
even if you held a gun to my head.
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Noddy.
PhilD
>
> "Dan---" <no...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4d38dad0$0$29871$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com...
>
>> Speaking of imported Fords in the Focus to open the bonnet you need to
>> use the drivers key as the locking is located under the badge.
>
> Grouse.
>
> Still, with Fords currently snapping off the bonnet release cable handle
> every third time you try to open the bonnet that's probably a better idea
> :)
>lot of very heavy handed oaf's there. Hasn't happened to mine, yet. I
>looked at one ute in a car yard, without a salesman around, and dislodged
>the lever with very little effort.
>> I don't have much experiences with Ford Focus's but what a daft idea.
>
Did have a look at the Focus when my wife needed a new car early last year.
Didn't think much of the bonnet idea much but was less impressed with the
space saver spare. Was offered a normal one if we bought but that would have
reduced the boot space by too much. We did actually prefer it over the
Corolla we looked at earlier, where the Salesman lost the deal with his
attitude, but both paled in comparison to the Honda Jazz we saw next. It has
so much room to handle a wheelchair bound elderly relative the others just
don't come near it.
PhilD
Clocky
> "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Dan---" <no...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:4d38dad0$0$29871$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>>> Speaking of imported Fords in the Focus to open the bonnet you need
>>> to use the drivers key as the locking is located under the badge.
>>
>> Grouse.
>>
>> Still, with Fords currently snapping off the bonnet release cable
>> handle every third time you try to open the bonnet that's probably a
>> better idea :)
>> Was happening with our fleet vehicles way too often, but then we did
>> have a lot of very heavy handed oaf's there. Hasn't happened to
>> mine, yet. I looked at one ute in a car yard, without a salesman
>> around, and dislodged the lever with very little effort.
>
>>> I don't have much experiences with Ford Focus's but what a daft
>>> idea.
>>
> Did have a look at the Focus when my wife needed a new car early last
> year. Didn't think much of the bonnet idea much but was less
> impressed with the space saver spare.
When was the last time you needed the spare and how often would a Focus
buyer stray outside civilisation for a full size spare to be essential?
Clocky
> You Know why they did that...
> Well, the idea is that the engine will not run with no key.
> So, you simply can't open the bonnet, and stick your head in with the
> running engine fan and all the other nasties that live there.
> BTW, this is an 'interim' measure. The beginnings of anti-tamper
> measures to stop us fucking with speed limiting and pissed driving
> interlocks, fitted standard, like it or not. Later.
> Shit I'm on fucken fire tonight!!!
So if they don't fit speed limiters it's because they want to raise revenue
and if they do they try to prevent us disabling anti-speeding measures?
You having a bet each way, you paranoid fruitcake?
I certainly wouldn't object to pissy driving interlocks, prevention is
better then the alternative.
Clocky
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:38:43 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> "Toby Ponsenby" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:oafdrief3vhx.8...@40tude.net...
>>
>>> Picky... I know.
>>> Don't leave the grease fitting there. Put a wee bolt there in
>>> between 'attentions'.
>>
>> Why?
> That's I was on about.
> If they're the new ones, they likely won't.
They don't get looked at either way.
Dan---
>
> "Dan---" <no...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4d38dad0$0$29871$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com...
>
>> Speaking of imported Fords in the Focus to open the bonnet you need to
>> use the drivers key as the locking is located under the badge.
>
> Grouse.
>
> Still, with Fords currently snapping off the bonnet release cable handle
> every third time you try to open the bonnet that's probably a better idea
> :)
True its amazing how they throw all sorts of technology in cars but they
seem to forget how to build cars properly.
>
>> I don't have much experiences with Ford Focus's but what a daft idea.
>
> Cunt of an idea actually.
>
>> Just another brilliant scheme to cut costs for not installing a leaver
>> type inside bonnet latch.
>> Car manufactuers seem to enjoy stuffing with peoples minds with this kind
>> of bullshit.
>
> Ford seem to be obsessed with it lately. That and building cars out of
> plastic they bought in bulk from Tandy in 1980.
And that piss poor excuse they call a V8 too which is like watching a brady
bunch marathon and makes death sound so nice! :-)
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Dan
PhilD
refresher course.
There are obviously people out there who just don't get it. The edge of your
Southern cities isn't the end of Australia. Take a drive sometime and you
will find that there's a whole other world out here in the country where
many people live and take driving holidays, and dare I say, they even
commute over distances that are just a little bit longer than your average
city dweller. They do it on roads that vary from your highest quality city
bitumen to even right down to corrugated dirt tracks. And yes they even do
it with cars that you city dwellers would never even take outside your city
limits. Some people even have driveways that make your worst city pot holed
road look positively civilised.
While doing the above they don't always have mobile coverage. I know, that
sounds a bit far fetched to you city dwellers but mobiles just don't work
everywhere in the country so calling for roadside assistance isn't easy and
believe it or not, significant time can pass by until the next traveller can
find you. Also believe it or not, not everyone who sees you will stop as
some people can be perceived as dodgy looking and not to be trusted. If
someone does stop and offers to take a message to the next town etc, don't
be surprised if some hours pass by until the tow truck arrives, even if he
was prepared that the message may be bogus and that he might be wasting his
time and money. You could just wait for the next Police highway patrol to
help you but you might have just missed the daily run so hopefully you will
have warm clothing for the anything down to -7 degC overnight enjoyment.
So next time you do actually get off your city arse and take a drive out
here, just remember, if you don't have a spare and do end up getting a
puncture, don't be surprised if whoever comes across you either doesn't stop
to help an idiot who should have displayed a bit of self reliance or who
does stop and then laughs their head off and gives you a mouthful of
re-education so richly deserved.
It might also be helpful for you to read what the manufacturers
recommendations are as to use of a space saver spare for distance and speed
limitations. Then just think about what that means when you are a couple of
hundred k's from the next fuel stop that probably doesn't do tyre repairs
anyway and you are also travelling at times of the year with temperatures
that may be a significant health hazard. BTW, for that reason as well please
ensure that you have a decent supply of drinking water as you may be parked
in a remote area for some time waiting for someone who is more amenable to
helping idiots. You should also be aware that not all tyre outlets or fuel
stations stock all the obscure tyre sizes now available so please also have
a healthy wallet/credit card as you may be staying in a motel for a few days
while awaiting the next freight delivery of your specially ordered tyre
replacement.
In ending this refresher course, if you don't carry a spare at all, or think
that a space saver one is mans greatest invention then do us country folk a
favour and STAY IN YOUR FUCKING CITY YOU IDIOT.
As I can see myself joining the other grey nomads in the near future you
better hope that I'm not the one who you try to flag down when you've not
followed the above advice. I'm quite prepared to help others who display
some amount of common sense but I have little time for those that don't.
Here endeth today's lesson.
PhilD
Dan---
>>>
>> Did have a look at the Focus when my wife needed a new car early last
>> year. Didn't think much of the bonnet idea much but was less
>> impressed with the space saver spare.
>
> When was the last time you needed the spare and how often would a Focus
> buyer stray outside civilisation for a full size spare to be essential?
I can't recall when I had a flat tyre or a tyre blow out but I always carry
a full size spare in my cars just for a piece of mind really.
I have two full spares for the Rodeo especially when I go 4 wheel driving.
:-)
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Diesel Damo
*applause*
John_H
Wise words indeed, and I think I might've heard about the next lesson
just last week! :)
Bloke I know has a trailer manufacturing business, situated on a main
road several k's from the nearest town. It's Sunday arvo and someone
knocks on the front door of his house... "I'm in a spot of bother
mate and I'm wondering if you can help me out with a couple of wheels
and tyres to fit the Holden."
"Shit, that doesn't sound too good, how did it happen... run over a
sharp piece of steel on the road, or something like that?"
"Nah mate, just crappy old tyres."
"Sorry pal, wrong answer. Come back at 8 o'clock tomorrow morning
when we're open for business and I'll do you a special deal on some
decent ones."
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John H
D Walford
>
> I certainly wouldn't object to pissy driving interlocks, prevention is
> better then the alternative.
>
>
>
I think you would change your mind if you had to blow into one of those
things every time you wanted to start a car.
I know a couple of people who had to have them fitted and whilst those
that have them don't get much sympathy for me I know they are a major
inconvenience and cost that should only be imposed on people dumb enough
to drink and drive.
Daryl
Clocky
<snip pointless rant>
>
> Here endeth today's lesson.
>
Here's a clue for you, if you think you need a full size spare you pay the
$200 extra to have it, and for the majority that will likely never touch
their spare or stray outside of civilisation, they can save that $200.
Clocky
> On 22/01/2011 2:16 AM, Clocky wrote:
>
>>
>> I certainly wouldn't object to pissy driving interlocks, prevention
>> is better then the alternative.
>>
>>
>>
> I think you would change your mind if you had to blow into one of
> those things every time you wanted to start a car.
Probably, but by the time they're ready to implement it there would likely
be a less intrusive way to check breath alcohol content.
> I know a couple of people who had to have them fitted and whilst those
> that have them don't get much sympathy for me I know they are a major
> inconvenience and cost that should only be imposed on people dumb
> enough to drink and drive.
>
Problem is, they need to be busted for drink driving before they have them
imposed. As I said, prevention is better then cure.
Noddy
> I can't recall when I had a flat tyre or a tyre blow out but I always
> carry a full size spare in my cars just for a piece of mind really.
I've been driving for 30 years, and over some of the roughest ground you
could imagine in vehicles that weren't really suited to the terrain and I
recon I've had maybe 4 flat tyres in my entire life. In fact I've had more
slow leaks from picking up the odd screw or nail than outright flats, and I
fix those in 10 minutes with a plug.
> I have two full spares for the Rodeo especially when I go 4 wheel driving.
> :-)
I don't carry one at all and haven't for ages.
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"Paul Saccani" <sac...@omen.net.au> wrote in message
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>>Lots as far as the Terry is concerned, and the new five speed Ford auto is
>>apparently falling over in droves.
>
> The ZF boxes?
I don't know if they're ZF boxes, but it's the base model 5 speed auto as
fitted to the current Falcons. Apparently they're having flare and vibration
issues on shifting and Ford hasn't got a fix other than to "flash" the ECU
which from all accounts makes bugger all difference.
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"PhilD" <Ph...@NT.au> wrote in message
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> In ending this refresher course, if you don't carry a spare at all, or
> think that a space saver one is mans greatest invention then do us country
> folk a favour and STAY IN YOUR FUCKING CITY YOU IDIOT.
Getting just a *tad* emotional about this, aren't you?
For a lot of people, carrying a spare wheel is about as useful as carrying a
spare engine. The chances of them ever needing to use it are so remote it's
not funny. I personally don't carry a spare in any of my vehicles, but I do
carry the equipment I need to repair a puncture should I get one. If I
should happen to venture anywhere where help isn't handy then I'll throw a
spare in the back, but unless I'm venturing out of suburbia it spends it's
time in the tyre rack in the shed rather than me lugging it around 24/7.
The argument against space savers is one I really don't get, as to me it
seems like complaining about not having something you're never going to use.
I cannot tell you how many used cars I've bought over the years that have
had the original spare sitting in the boot, often usually flat as a
shit-carter's hat, but still with the tits on the tyre indicating that it
had never seen the light of day since the car was new. On the other hand,
manufacturers appreciate that some people wouldn't even know *how* to change
a flat, so some of them don't even provide a spare in the car at all. Rather
they'll throw in a "kit" consisting of a small 12v compressor and a bottle
of "goop", and even then it'll never get used.
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Kev
I thought the ZF boxes were the 6 speeders while they waited for a local
job to come along
Kev
PhilD
in a main city would purchase a Focus, or any vehicle like it supposedly.
It's yours, an his, choice not to carry a spare if that's what you want but
my message was that in that case it is also your responsibility to be able
to help yourself first if needed. Your description shows that you probably
know how to get yourself out of trouble but that's not everyone's case and
does it apply to all people who may use your vehicle? It happens all too
often that you see a car by the side of the road with a jack under it, a
wheel missing and no-one nearby. What is also a choice issue is my choice to
not help someone if they are not prepared to do something to help
themselves, and going in to the country without a spare or with even just a
space saver is in my opinion stupid.
Over the years I've had quite a few punctures/flats and a couple of
destroyed tyres on trips, plus a couple of brand new one's at one time from
scrap metal buried under a sand pit. Rocks, leaking valve stems, road edges,
nails are oh so enjoyable, but so far I've never had to rely on others or
been stopped for longer than it's taken to do a change over. I've also never
had to purchase a replacement in the middle of nowhere or be trucked to
somewhere to try and get any. I guess you've been lucky, so far, but that's
not everyone's case. I also get pissed off when I see 4x4's with non
standard wheels/tyres on the road but the original different sized spare
hanging off of the rear. They just don't seem to understand the
possibilities if they use it and also 4WD at the same time.
As to my getting "emotional", having read so many of your responses to
others isn't it a bit pot kettle black. Mind you, some people do need an
attitude adjustment, preferably with a 2x4.
PhilD
Tim
Tim
>
>
Dan---
>
>>Lots as far as the Terry is concerned, and the new five speed Ford auto is
>>apparently falling over in droves.
>
> The ZF boxes?
Nope American sourced, French built gearboxes.
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Dan.
Kev
using retreads is just asking for a flat tyre and associated vehicle
damage by flapping tread
Kev
atec77
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atec77
does it grrrind or scream like a girlie and flap its mounting wings
limply ?
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Kev
they deserve it the most
fucking hate the things, despite Bandag's claims about long tyre life,
we used to have blow outs every month and the resulting damage to
mudguards made the trucks look like shit
Thankfully I haven't had to drive a truck with caps for years, only had
a couple of flats in that time and never any blowouts
Beside the imported tyres don't cost much more than a bandag and will
last a lot longer, Bandag have had their day
Every now and then I see some clown who has used caps on their steer
tyres, sitting beside the road with half their front mudguard missing.
Yeah that's saved them some money
Kev
Clocky
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:31:01 +0800, "Clocky" <not...@happen.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Here's a clue for you, if you think you need a full size spare you pay the
>>$200 extra to have it, and for the majority that will likely never touch
>>their spare or stray outside of civilisation, they can save that $200.
>>
> accommodate a full diameter spare. You end up having to keep the
> wheel on top of your luggage.
Another option is to buy a vehicle more appropriate for expected usage ;-)
> Same deal if you have a flat and use the midget spare.
Some have no spare at all, just a can of leaksealer.
Not sure how well that works.
Clocky
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No sensible person puts retreads on their car.
PhilD
"Kev" <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
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when I bought the boat trailer that it had them on anyway. Towing boat to
Darwin, heat, not good roads anyway and one separated the tread. What I also
didn't know about the trailer was the way heat would affect it all. Couldn't
separate rim from disc brake and hub so had to dismantle wheel bearing to
take off hub, disc and wheel in one piece. Spent about an hour beside road
in low 40's heat before it was all going again. Although it happened 30+
years ago it was one of few incidents that confirms my belief that you must
always have proper tyres and spares and know what to do as only 2 vehicles
came past in that time and neither stopped to check.
PhilD
Tim
Of all the retreads I used to use (and that's a long time back now), I
had 3 fail by delamination. The others invariabley required 8 oz of
weights to balance them,.....remoulds *are no better*.
Tim
>
>
>
atec77
>
>
>>>> Kev
>>> Best tell that to the thousands of bandag users then ?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> I've only experienced retreads once and regreted it, although I wasn't
> told when I bought the boat trailer that it had them on anyway. Towing
> boat to Darwin, heat, not good roads anyway and one separated the tread.
> What I also didn't know about the trailer was the way heat would affect
> it all. Couldn't separate rim from disc brake and hub so had to
> dismantle wheel bearing to take off hub, disc and wheel in one piece.
> Spent about an hour beside road in low 40's heat before it was all going
> again. Although it happened 30+ years ago it was one of few incidents
> that confirms my belief that you must always have proper tyres and
> spares and know what to do as only 2 vehicles came past in that time and
> neither stopped to check.
>
> PhilD
I wouldn't stop and help you either
a lot has changed in 30 years as you well know and I must admit I
would rather cheap imports appear better than most caps these days but
wait until $ drops
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> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:25:11 +1100, "Noddy"<m...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dan---"<no...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:4d3a2e28$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>>> I can't recall when I had a flat tyre or a tyre blow out but I always
>>> carry a full size spare in my cars just for a piece of mind really.
>>
>> I've been driving for 30 years, and over some of the roughest ground you
>> could imagine in vehicles that weren't really suited to the terrain and I
>> recon I've had maybe 4 flat tyres in my entire life. In fact I've had more
>> slow leaks from picking up the odd screw or nail than outright flats, and I
>> fix those in 10 minutes with a plug.
>
> mid day many times in the LRPVs.
>>
>>> I have two full spares for the Rodeo especially when I go 4 wheel driving.
>>> :-)
>>
>> I don't carry one at all and haven't for ages.
>
>
> I don't think it is too much to ask that a vehicle be designed to
> allow a full size spare to be carried, is it? It is damned awkward to
> carry one when you need one if the car is designed only to hold clown
> wheel spares.
>
> I would dare say that you wouldn't travel 1850 km in one hit very
> often, nor with gaps of 500 km between any habitation. You probably
> don't have to pay an extra 50 cents or so per litre of fuel either.
> That's why smaller cars with full size spares became desirable in the
> North-West.
Only car we have owned that had a space saver spare was the 06 Impreza,
got one flat and had to drive about 20klm on the space saver and after
that experience I'd hate to have to drive much further.
Forester is the only Subaru sold with a full size spare standard
although that fact had little to do with the decision to purchase that
model.
Daryl
PhilD
"atec77" <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 23/01/2011 12:53 PM, PhilD wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> Kev
>>>> Best tell that to the thousands of bandag users then ?
>>>>
>>>
> kevs shite snipped as it deserves to be
>
>>>
>>>
>> I've only experienced retreads once and regreted it, although I wasn't
>> told when I bought the boat trailer that it had them on anyway. Towing
>> boat to Darwin, heat, not good roads anyway and one separated the tread.
>> What I also didn't know about the trailer was the way heat would affect
>> it all. Couldn't separate rim from disc brake and hub so had to
>> dismantle wheel bearing to take off hub, disc and wheel in one piece.
>> Spent about an hour beside road in low 40's heat before it was all going
>> again. Although it happened 30+ years ago it was one of few incidents
>> that confirms my belief that you must always have proper tyres and
>> spares and know what to do as only 2 vehicles came past in that time and
>> neither stopped to check.
>>
>> PhilD
> I wouldn't stop and help you either
Aww shucks, I hope you mean that.
I have stopped, warily, to help a couple of bike riders but can't actually
remember any car drivers other than a group of aborigines. They had a HQ
Belmont sedan stuck one car length in to a large dry sandy river bed
crossing. One biker was a big hairy guy with a broken chain but between each
of our tools etc he made a repair to it. The other was a lone biker in the
middle of nowhere on the old 900km dirt to SA at around 2am. Conversation
went like:
What's the matter.
Battery flat, have you any jumper leads.
Why is battery flat.
Alternator buggered.
Yes I've got some, but even if it starts, without the alternator charging
the flat battery, what's going to run the lights.
Hadn't thought of that, do you have any food.
> a lot has changed in 30 years as you well know and I must admit I would
> rather cheap imports appear better than most caps these days but wait
> until $ drops
>
I've had good and bad performing tyres but I don't think I would ever buy
them just on price.
PhilD
JONZ
Nup....don`t cut it...Phil 10.....clocky 0.....thank you linesmen,
thank you ball boys... :)
>
>
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PETROL, is for cleaning Diesel parts, on the occasion they need a
rebuild !!!!!!
POINTS - are the individual reasons you convince a mate to buy a diesel
not a petrol.
SPARK PLUGS - are in the lawnmower........somewhere ??????
LEADS - are diesel drivers who check out the river crossings with their
trucks, before the petrol heads consider getting their "DONK WET" ;)
JONZ
ooohhhh yeessss.............
>
> PhilD
JONZ
Anyone that runs caps on a truck steer deserves everything they
get...................
>
>
> Kev
Noddy
> using retreads is just asking for a flat tyre and associated vehicle
> damage by flapping tread
It surely is. If I ran retreads on my car I'd carry 4 spares just to drive
to the mailbox :)
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Noddy.
Noddy
"PhilD" <Ph...@NT.au> wrote in message
> You snipped the bit that started it. The arrogance that only someone
> living in a main city would purchase a Focus, or any vehicle like it
> supposedly.
I didn't think it was arrogant, and I basically agreed with it. I wouldn't
have thought such vehicles would be a popular choice in areas where you need
a Unimog just to get to the nearest store.
> It's yours, an his, choice not to carry a spare if that's what you want
> but my message was that in that case it is also your responsibility to be
> able to help yourself first if needed. Your description shows that you
> probably know how to get yourself out of trouble but that's not everyone's
> case and does it apply to all people who may use your vehicle?
Pretty much.
The trouble & strife is the only other person who drives the thing, and she
knows how to mend a puncture.
> It happens all too often that you see a car by the side of the road with a
> jack under it, a wheel missing and no-one nearby.
I can't remember the last time I saw such a thing, but then I'm sure we
don't travel the same roads. I see it now and then with trailers, as most
owners tend to neglect their trailer wheels/tyres and or bearings.
> What is also a choice issue is my choice to not help someone if they are
> not prepared to do something to help themselves, and going in to the
> country without a spare or with even just a space saver is in my opinion
> stupid.
I agree, and think it's *their* problem.
> Over the years I've had quite a few punctures/flats and a couple of
> destroyed tyres on trips, plus a couple of brand new one's at one time
> from scrap metal buried under a sand pit. Rocks, leaking valve stems, road
> edges, nails are oh so enjoyable, but so far I've never had to rely on
> others or been stopped for longer than it's taken to do a change over.
> I've also never had to purchase a replacement in the middle of nowhere or
> be trucked to somewhere to try and get any. I guess you've been lucky, so
> far, but that's not everyone's case. I also get pissed off when I see
> 4x4's with non standard wheels/tyres on the road but the original
> different sized spare hanging off of the rear. They just don't seem to
> understand the possibilities if they use it and also 4WD at the same time.
To be honest I couldn't care less what other people do. Like I said if they
want to make numpties out of themselves it's their problem. It doesn't
bother me.
> As to my getting "emotional", having read so many of your responses to
> others isn't it a bit pot kettle black. Mind you, some people do need an
> attitude adjustment, preferably with a 2x4.
I'm sure they do, but why *you* should get so upset about the predicament
*other* people place themselves in remains a mystery.
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Noddy.
Noddy
> Best tell that to the thousands of bandag users then ?
What, you mean the ones that leave lots of "crocodiles" all over the road?
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Noddy.
Noddy
> SO what happens when you miaa GEAr
> does it grrrind or scream like a girlie and flap its mounting wings
> limply ?
I'm sure that sounds pretty cool in whatever the fuck language your native
tongue happens to be, but in English it makes about as much sense as....
well, what you normally do.
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Noddy.
Noddy
> Not sure how well that works.
Has any of it ever been put to the test yet? Most people these days seem to
sit in their car and wait for roadside assist rather than get out and have a
go at fixing what's wrong.
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Noddy.
Clocky
Yep, and manufacturers know it.
Clocky
Game, set and match to Clocky - the manufacturers know it.
Noddy
> Phew! Doesn't sound like very tough ground. I've had 7 flats before
> mid day many times in the LRPVs.
God that's gotta suck to be you :)
> Which sounds quite practical for where you are.
It is, and that's the gotcha. As I said if I'm venturing anywhere out of the
ordinary the spare is the first thing that gets thrown in the back.
> I don't think it is too much to ask that a vehicle be designed to
> allow a full size spare to be carried, is it? It is damned awkward to
> carry one when you need one if the car is designed only to hold clown
> wheel spares.
Personally I don't think it's too much to ask, no, but then I'm not making
the things and trying to extract the last poofteenth of bottom line on every
unit that goes out the door. It surely wouldn't be a big expense to at least
provide the space for a full sized spare *if* the owner wanted to option one
up.
> I would dare say that you wouldn't travel 1850 km in one hit very
> often, nor with gaps of 500 km between any habitation.
Not in a *very* long time, no.
> You probably don't have to pay an extra 50 cents or so per litre of fuel
> either.
> That's why smaller cars with full size spares became desirable in the
> North-West.
Fair enough too.
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Noddy.
Noddy
> I've had to look it up, I thought they had gone to all ZF, but it is
> only the 6 speed.
>
> This one is the Frog Shit Five... The Ford Bordeaux 5R55S.
That explains a lot :)
> Might be a QA issue, they sold the plant to HZ, who are running down
> the Ford lines this year. Though it doesn't seem that flash a design
> in the first place.
I haven't had anything to do with one but a couple of guys I went through
trade school with years ago have Ford associations and they say they're
appalling.
> It seems that they are going to ditch the ZF 6 speed (probably too
> reliable) and replace it with some Ford sourced horror.
Jeez, that'd be right.
The 6 speed ZF in my Territory is the *only* thing about the car that I
think is decent :)
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Noddy.
Noddy
"JONZ" <fj...@diesel.com> wrote in message
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> Nup....don`t cut it...Phil 10.....clocky 0.....thank you linesmen, thank
> you ball boys... :)
Thank you pie dribbling fuckwits.
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Noddy.
j...@nothome.com
"Tim" wrote in message
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> That is a logic I cant espouse to. I agree the use of a spare is
> remote,..but it does happen, but in both cases where it happened to me, I
> was out of town on the track, the failed tyres were retreads,
> separating,..so there is the rider,..make sure the in use tyres are
> decent. The other flats occurred, in town by way of self-tapper
> impact,..probably driving past some building site :-)
Tim
Shit Tim, I would have thought retreads went out of fashion 40 years ago.
Tyres are the most versatile of any motor vehicle, one day driving on snow
another on hot bitumen roads of 80c and muddy tracks etc etc. Retreads just
don't cut it in these situations and should be banned, full stop.
Regards
DAVO
John McKenzie
>
> "atec77" <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ihfnsf$agk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > SO what happens when you miaa GEAr
> > does it grrrind or scream like a girlie and flap its mounting wings
> > limply ?
he writes :
dear fellow aus.cars elder statesmen, pursuant to Daniel's post which
enlightened us as to the origin of the transmissions that are being
discussed with respect to current unsatisfactory performance issues,
and current lack of definitive solution to said issues by the
manufacturer, would you be so kind as to characterise the nature of the
problems in practical terms? Would it be accurate to characterise the
issue of trans flare during automatic shifting as a loud unmanly screech
and the vibration/jolting being rather lacklustre amd delicate similar
to Bruce McAvaney commentatng olympic events using only sign language?
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Noddy
"John McKenzie" <j_m...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> he writes :
>
> dear fellow aus.cars elder statesmen, pursuant to Daniel's post which
> enlightened us as to the origin of the transmissions that are being
> discussed with respect to current unsatisfactory performance issues,
> and current lack of definitive solution to said issues by the
> manufacturer, would you be so kind as to characterise the nature of the
> problems in practical terms? Would it be accurate to characterise the
> issue of trans flare during automatic shifting as a loud unmanly screech
> and the vibration/jolting being rather lacklustre amd delicate similar
> to Bruce McAvaney commentatng olympic events using only sign language?
Post of the week, and it ain't even Monday yet :)
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Noddy.
PhilD
>
> "PhilD" <Ph...@NT.au> wrote in message
> news:b5B_o.8290$MF5....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>
> *other* people place themselves in remains a mystery.
>
that they can't handle as they then EXPECT others to get them out of
trouble. The news is so full of idiots that have to be rescued in all types
of circumstances and ultimately the public foots the bill for it all.
Personal responsibility just doesn't seem to matter to them. It's the idiots
going through flood waters recently, bushwalkers, boaties, many tourists
(especially foreign ones) etc etc. It's like those round the world yachties
rescued in the Southern Ocean that Australia has to spend a fortune on
retrieving them. In so many of these cases rescuers lives are being put at
risk unnecessarily.
PhilD
Noddy
"PhilD" <Ph...@NT.au> wrote in message
> And there's the point, it isn't just that they put themselves in
> situations that they can't handle as they then EXPECT others to get them
> out of trouble. The news is so full of idiots that have to be rescued in
> all types of circumstances and ultimately the public foots the bill for it
> all.
Sadly this is true, and if it were my decision a few well placed warning
shots fired through the temple would wake some of them up.
> Personal responsibility just doesn't seem to matter to them. It's the
> idiots going through flood waters recently, bushwalkers, boaties, many
> tourists (especially foreign ones) etc etc. It's like those round the
> world yachties rescued in the Southern Ocean that Australia has to spend a
> fortune on retrieving them. In so many of these cases rescuers lives are
> being put at risk unnecessarily.
Yep.
Simple solution: *Fuck* them. If you want to partake in some ridiculous
activity that might see you come a gutser, then take enough survival shit to
get yourself out of trouble. Otherwise we'll pass your remains onto your
next of kin when someone stumbles across them.
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Noddy.
Clocky
> Noddy wrote:
>>
>> "atec77" <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ihfnsf$agk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>> SO what happens when you miaa GEAr
>>> does it grrrind or scream like a girlie and flap its mounting wings
>>> limply ?
>
> he writes :
>
> dear fellow aus.cars elder statesmen, pursuant to Daniel's post which
> enlightened us as to the origin of the transmissions that are being
> discussed with respect to current unsatisfactory performance issues,
> and current lack of definitive solution to said issues by the
> manufacturer, would you be so kind as to characterise the nature of
> the problems in practical terms? Would it be accurate to characterise
> the issue of trans flare during automatic shifting as a loud unmanly
> screech and the vibration/jolting being rather lacklustre amd
> delicate similar to Bruce McAvaney commentatng olympic events using
> only sign language?
LOL :-)
PhilD
working past.
While working in a remote town I had a call from the local Police that a car
load of aborigines had come in with a message from a stranded motorist. All
the Police had was a very vague location and that someone from a broken down
vehicle said that they worked for our Company and a name that was more like
a nickname. The Police spoke to me to try and confirm whether we had any
staff in the area as it was going to be about a 400km round trip for them. I
could only tell them that all people I was working with were accounted for
but a check with other local staff didn't come up with any of them missing
in that area either. They never found anyone and our Company didn't have any
missing staff.
If it was genuine, you would think think that anyone with even half a brain
would write down their details, especially when being passed on in that
manner.
PhilD
Kev
> Noddy wrote:
>>
>> "atec77"<ate...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ihfnsf$agk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>> SO what happens when you miaa GEAr
>>> does it grrrind or scream like a girlie and flap its mounting wings
>>> limply ?
>
> he writes :
>
> dear fellow aus.cars elder statesmen, pursuant to Daniel's post which
> enlightened us as to the origin of the transmissions that are being
> discussed with respect to current unsatisfactory performance issues,
> and current lack of definitive solution to said issues by the
> manufacturer, would you be so kind as to characterise the nature of the
> problems in practical terms? Would it be accurate to characterise the
> issue of trans flare during automatic shifting as a loud unmanly screech
> and the vibration/jolting being rather lacklustre amd delicate similar
> to Bruce McAvaney commentatng olympic events using only sign language?
>
OHHHH
why the fuck didn't Bazz just say that in the first place
Kev
atec77
because you might have understood assuming you didn't drop off
halfway through reading that tomb
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> Noddy wrote:
>>
>> "atec77"<ate...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ihfnsf$agk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>> SO what happens when you miaa GEAr
>>> does it grrrind or scream like a girlie and flap its mounting wings
>>> limply ?
>
> he writes :
>
> dear fellow aus.cars elder statesmen, pursuant to Daniel's post which
> enlightened us as to the origin of the transmissions that are being
> discussed with respect to current unsatisfactory performance issues,
> and current lack of definitive solution to said issues by the
> manufacturer, would you be so kind as to characterise the nature of the
> problems in practical terms? Would it be accurate to characterise the
> issue of trans flare during automatic shifting as a loud unmanly screech
> and the vibration/jolting being rather lacklustre amd delicate similar
> to Bruce McAvaney commentatng olympic events using only sign language?
>
LOL:-)
Daryl
D Walford
> Sigh
> because you might have understood assuming you didn't drop off halfway
> through reading that tomb
>
I don't mean to be rude but I have to ask, are you dyslexic?
Or maybe you don't bother to reread before posting?
Daryl
atec77
so yes
and I don't care
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D Walford
understand.
Daryl
Noddy
> Both
> so yes
> and I don't care
Clearly not :)
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Noddy.
Noddy
"D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> Fair enough, it does explain why your posts are sometimes difficult to
> understand.
I would help if he used a decent newsreader and learned a thing or two about
snippage & etiquette. I mean, *Jesus*, sometimes reading his posts are as
painful as shitting broken glass.
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Noddy.
D Walford
> "D Walford"<dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:4d3d4cc1$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com...
>
>> Fair enough, it does explain why your posts are sometimes difficult to
>> understand.
>
> I would help if he used a decent newsreader and learned a thing or two about
> painful as shitting broken glass.
>
Maybe but being dyslexic wouldn't make it easy.
I'm not expert on the subject but I know someone with that problem and
he struggles to keep a job because he finds it difficult to read and write.
Daryl
atec77
as my hands tend to be large in relation to the buttons :)
I really should try harder but meh...
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atec77
through some of the courses have been quite difficult over the years
but many assume stupidity holds hands with dyslexia and quite the
opposite is true but as such assumptions tend to bolster weak self
opinion and flagging self interest it matters little except to those who
try to use such ploys as a matter of self interest , not being able to
spell or commit to proper grammar especially in English doesn't indicate
anything other than not caring or being able to spell which reasonably
is yet another reason why spelling flames are so weak and doomed to failure
As for blokes like the hobbit >meh
or as ceelo green says noddy (still in the goose file)
fuck you
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Noddy
> Oh I can if I make an effort and wear the right glasses , getting through
> some of the courses have been quite difficult over the years but many
> assume stupidity holds hands with dyslexia and quite the opposite is true
> but as such assumptions tend to bolster weak self opinion and flagging
> self interest it matters little except to those who try to use such ploys
> as a matter of self interest , not being able to spell or commit to proper
> grammar especially in English doesn't indicate anything other than not
> caring or being able to spell which reasonably is yet another reason why
> spelling flames are so weak and doomed to failure
> As for blokes like the hobbit >meh
> or as ceelo green says noddy (still in the goose file)
> fuck you
Right back at ya Baz. Dyslexic or not you're still a tool.
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Noddy.
Noddy
"Paul Saccani" <sac...@omen.net.au> wrote in message
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> Forgive my ignorance, but what is the significance of "pie dribbling"?
A picture of the guy was posted here once, and he appeared to be your
stereotypical fat, ugly, blue singlet wearing, truck driving, country music
loving toothless Neanderthal who's only form of nourishment came from
smashing meat pies into his face 9 times a day.
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Noddy.
JONZ
oooohhhh......such venom ! i is devi...divi....ah devastated. (not)
get over yerself snookums..............
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>
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PETROL, is for cleaning Diesel parts, on the occasion they need a
rebuild !!!!!!
POINTS - are the individual reasons you convince a mate to buy a diesel
not a petrol.
SPARK PLUGS - are in the lawnmower........somewhere ??????
LEADS - are diesel drivers who check out the river crossings with their
trucks, before the petrol heads consider getting their "DONK WET" ;)
Fraser Johnston
"Dan---" <no...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Nope American sourced, French built gearboxes.
<shudder> I guess the only good thing about that is they didn't buy the metal
off the italians.
Fraser
Fraser Johnston
"Kev" <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
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I'd guess a bottle of scotch and 100 IQ points.
Fraser
atec77
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> Now don't self immolate that's our job
Then stop typing and start immolating.
Fraser
D Walford
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 22:45:08 +1100, "Noddy"<m...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Paul Saccani"<sac...@omen.net.au> wrote in message
>>
>>> Phew! Doesn't sound like very tough ground. I've had 7 flats before
>>> mid day many times in the LRPVs.
>>
>> God that's gotta suck to be you :)
>
> Yeah, I still hate changing tyres on wheels, unless I've got one of
> those wizz bang machines. OTOH, once you'd used up the 6 spares,
> you'd have an excuse to boil the billy whilst you repaired the
> bastards. I'm not sure if my use of the past tense carried, I haven't
> been out on that kind of run for years.
>
> I've got to say, I'm now a really big fan of tubeless split rims.
What's wrong with ordinary split rims with tubes?
Had those on an old BJ40 Landcruiser and an 03 Hilux, I repaired a
couple of tubes and replaced tyres which was easy enough with the right
tools.
Main problem with split rims is they are bloody heavy.
Daryl
D Walford
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 22:48:19 +1100, "Noddy"<m...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> The 6 speed ZF in my Territory is the *only* thing about the car that I
>> think is decent :)
>
> The ZFs really are lovely, but of course, it isn't until you overhaul
> (or at least do post mortems) them and the others that you can
> appreciate how well built and designed they are.
>
> A bonus with the ZF is that it is usually easier to overhaul too,
> fewer special tools, and what you do need you can make easily enough.
Apparently the ZF boxes in Euro trucks are very expensive to repair so
if they fail many get replaced by Road Rangers which is too bad as IMO
the ZF 16spd is much more user friendly than any Road Ranger.
Daryl
Freddy
>
>
> My advice, for what it's worth, is that you *not* buy a Territory as
> they're a *very* poorly made vehicle with a *lot* of issues. They're a
> great concept, but they feel like they're made in a sheltered workshop.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>
>
That's a shame.
I need something that has about the same cargo area as a Territory to carry
my work gear and a degree of comfort.
I'm sick of utes, it's a nuisance unlocking the canopy every time I want to
get my tools out. My last one was an 07 dual cab Ranger - not a terrible
car, but very big, basic, bouncy as hell and noisy. I do regular trips to
central NSW (from Melb) and clock up 40k - 50k a year.
Any suggestions anyone?
Cheers
JONZ
Depends....on whether you are a steering wheel attendant, or an
operator. :)
>
>
> Daryl
Clocky
Actually, I remember describing him like that as that was my mental image
of him...
Clocky
> On 23/01/2011 8:44 AM, Kev wrote:
>> Tim wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>> "PhilD"<Ph...@NT.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:iup_o.8208$MF5...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>>>>
>>>>> In ending this refresher course, if you don't carry a spare at
>>>>> all, or think that a space saver one is mans greatest invention
>>>>> then do us country
>>>>> folk a favour and STAY IN YOUR FUCKING CITY YOU IDIOT.
>>>> Getting just a *tad* emotional about this, aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> For a lot of people, carrying a spare wheel is about as useful as
>>>> carrying a
>>>> spare engine. The chances of them ever needing to use it are so
>>>> remote it's
>>>> not funny. I personally don't carry a spare in any of my vehicles,
>>>> but I do
>>>> carry the equipment I need to repair a puncture should I get one.
>>>> If I should happen to venture anywhere where help isn't handy then
>>>> I'll throw a
>>>> spare in the back, but unless I'm venturing out of suburbia it
>>>> spends it's
>>>> time in the tyre rack in the shed rather than me lugging it around
>>>> 24/7. The argument against space savers is one I really don't get, as
>>>> to
>>>> me it seems like complaining about not having something you're
>>>> never going to use.
>>>> I cannot tell you how many used cars I've bought over the years
>>>> that have
>>>> had the original spare sitting in the boot, often usually flat as a
>>>> shit-carter's hat, but still with the tits on the tyre indicating
>>>> that it
>>>> had never seen the light of day since the car was new. On the other
>>>> hand,
>>>> manufacturers appreciate that some people wouldn't even know *how*
>>>> to change
>>>> a flat, so some of them don't even provide a spare in the car at
>>>> all. Rather
>>>> they'll throw in a "kit" consisting of a small 12v compressor and a
>>>> bottle
>>>> of "goop", and even then it'll never get used.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Noddy.
>>>>
>>>> That is a logic I cant espouse to. I agree the use of a spare is
>>>> remote,..but it does happen, but in both cases where it happened to
>>>> me, I was out of town on the track, the failed tyres were retreads,
>>>> separating,..so there is the rider,..make sure the in use tyres are
>>>> decent. The other flats occurred, in town by way of self-tapper
>>>> impact,..probably driving past some building site :-)
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> using retreads is just asking for a flat tyre and associated vehicle
>> damage by flapping tread
>>
>>
>> Kev
> Best tell that to the thousands of bandag users then ?
There are thousands of Scientologists too, but that doesn't give them
legitimacy either.