Toyota Lexcen Commodore confusion?
Roger Smith
Specifically the VP/VR/VS models. Is it just different badging, or is
there more to it?
Rodge
John Lambert
the front and rear grille (I think?). I can only guess and say mechanically
they're exactly the same, maybe Toyota use their own ECU's over Holdens but
can't be sure. Chassis/drivetrain and engine's are the same.
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Dan---
John Lambert wrote:
>
> I know with the VN the dash was slightly different cosmetically, as well as
> the front and rear grille (I think?). I can only guess and say mechanically
> they're exactly the same, maybe Toyota use their own ECU's over Holdens but
> can't be sure. Chassis/drivetrain and engine's are the same.
It was all GM engine, drivetrain and ECU.
Toyota didn't change the ECU or used their own ECU.
Its basically a Commodore with Toyota Badges and slight exterior
changes.
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the Commodore at the time, they are VERY ordinary cars.
Basically the only feature it has is A/C (after being in my CR-V, he says it
doesnt even compare).
I dont think it even has power mirrors.
And the windows aren't electric! They're your old-fashioned wind-down type.
The standard factory sound system is nothing to write home about - the
speakers are tinny, with no bass at all. The rear speakers are alright,
however, the front speakers aren't even mounted on the door. They're tiny
little ones up on the dash!
It barely qualitifies as a 4-speaker system. More like 2-speakers + 2
tweeters.
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M@W8
>
> Specifically the VP/VR/VS models. Is it just different badging, or is
> there more to it?
>
something to drag people away from the Holden badges.
richie
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David Z
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than
> the Commodore at the time, they are VERY ordinary cars.
>
> Basically the only feature it has is A/C (after being in my CR-V, he says
it
> doesnt even compare).
> I dont think it even has power mirrors.
> And the windows aren't electric! They're your old-fashioned wind-down
type.
omg, no power windows! - gees no wonder it's crap :)
The Red Krawler
Are power windows to commodores what mugen stickers are to rice burners?
Gavin Cato
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Jason James
With the VN the only functional difference was the Lexcen had electric
mirrors....wow.
JJ
Hyena
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>
> Are power windows to commodores what mugen stickers are to rice burners?
Nah they're just something else to go wrong. Of course I can say that cause
I dont have them :-)
Power mirrors are handy though, esp passenger side.
Hyena
it since new and never thrashed it but he's had heaps of problems with it.
The mechanic he took it to said that Toyota used it own seals and a few
other minor things which worked out a cent or two cheaper than the GM ones.
These were apparently of lesser quality and a common source of problems in
the lexen. Don't know exactly what seals and bits he spoke of though.
Falchoon
>
> "Roger Smith" <ro...@jaba.com.au> wrote in message
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> >
> > Specifically the VP/VR/VS models. Is it just different badging, or is
> > there more to it?
> >
> > Rodge
>
> With the VN the only functional difference was the Lexcen had electric
> mirrors....wow.
>
> JJ
and a big piece of licorice all the way around
Alan
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> One of my mates has a lexen as a work car, late vr/vs equilavent. He's had
> it since new and never thrashed it but he's had heaps of problems with it.
> The mechanic he took it to said that Toyota used it own seals and a few
> other minor things which worked out a cent or two cheaper than the GM ones
SA
.
> These were apparently of lesser quality and a common source of problems in
> the lexen
Alan
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Alan
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Alan
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meekes
>Power mirrors are handy though, esp passenger side.
good for checking out chicks on the passenger side pavement that is
meekes
>it since new and never thrashed it but he's had heaps of problems with it.
>These were apparently of lesser quality and a common source of problems in
So what he used landcruiser parts???
1 - They would be exactly the same parts
2 - Toyota Genuine parts are amongst the most expensive
3 - Toyota also make some of the most reliable cars - try driving a
landcruise into trees of varying diameters, you'll flatten anything up to
about 8 inches after that you may struggle, but no damage to car. Have seen
this experiment done many times, result = landcruiser most unbreakable
vehicle ever (even more so than the hilux)
Hyena
had
> > it since new and never thrashed it but he's had heaps of problems with
it.
> > other minor things which worked out a cent or two cheaper than the GM
> Utter crap. tec Lexcen and Commodore's rolled off the same line in
Elizabeth
> SA
> .
in
> > the lexen
> . Don't know exactly what seals and bits he spoke of though.
> >
> >
I don't actually know anything about his problems or the parts. Just passing
on what the mechanic told my mate. It may well have been bullshit. Wouldn't
be the first time a mistruth had come from a mechanic.
The Red Krawler
>
cause
> I dont have them :-)
I'm just jealous cause I dont have em. Tho they are going in the kinga.
It'll be fully Calais edition swank (HJ Premier Calais? heh) And then
central locking, keyless entry, full wanker-spec alarm and the like. And
I'll be cutting the external locks out totally and welding over em.
Try and break in now you leb muthafuckers.
Hyena
> It'll be fully Calais edition swank (HJ Premier Calais? heh) And then
> central locking, keyless entry, full wanker-spec alarm and the like. And
> I'll be cutting the external locks out totally and welding over em.
>
> Try and break in now you leb muthafuckers.
Welding up your windows too ? :-)
Brett Whisson
David Z <bz...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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than
> the Commodore at the time, they are VERY ordinary cars.
>
> Basically the only feature it has is A/C (after being in my CR-V, he says
it
> doesnt even compare).
> I dont think it even has power mirrors.
> And the windows aren't electric! They're your old-fashioned wind-down
type.
>
Run for the hills! Old fashioned wind up windows, heaven forbid! Actually,
I have 3 cars - 2 with elec and one with manual. I can rely on the jap car
with elec, but I can't rely on the Aussie car with elec. I'd stick with
manual.
> The standard factory sound system is nothing to write home about - the
> speakers are tinny, with no bass at all. The rear speakers are alright,
> however, the front speakers aren't even mounted on the door. They're tiny
> little ones up on the dash!
> It barely qualitifies as a 4-speaker system. More like 2-speakers + 2
> tweeters.
>
And as we all know, the quality of the sound system is an excellent basis
for judging the rest of the vehicle. It is extremely difficult to upgrade a
stereo, unlike a dud motor which can easily be exchanged for something with
more power.
Brett
Richard Murray
>
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>>
>> Are power windows to commodores what mugen stickers are to rice burners?
>
>I dont have them :-)
>Power mirrors are handy though, esp passenger side.
>
The power windows and power mirrors on my VN were VERY unreliable.
A mate who's spare parts manager for a Holden dealer said that from the VP II
onwards the problem was fixed.
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"Alan" <nospam_...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>ANd standard tacko and no manual trans option.
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Dan---
Richard Murray wrote:
>
> And Air-con standard?
Nope it was an option on the Base Lexcen.
Arnie
<3a1b66fb$0$19420$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>...
No they didn't, I had a VN Lexcen and it didn't have elec mirrors.
Arnie
Ronnie
of fucking cunts stole my car before I could put it in.
FUCK
The Red Krawler <kra...@hoontown.com> wrote in message
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> > > Are power windows to commodores what mugen stickers are to rice
burners?
> >
> > Nah they're just something else to go wrong. Of course I can say that
> cause
> > I dont have them :-)
> > Power mirrors are handy though, esp passenger side.
>
Kieron Murphy
wrote:
>
>The Red Krawler <kra...@hoontown.com> wrote in message
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>> > omg, no power windows! - gees no wonder it's crap :)
>>
>> Are power windows to commodores what mugen stickers are to rice burners?
>
>Nah they're just something else to go wrong. Of course I can say that cause
>I dont have them :-)
>Power mirrors are handy though, esp passenger side.
Lexcens in a least VP form definatly had power mirrors.
Kieron
Mortsgah
surely did have electric mirrors
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David Z
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>
>
> >Power mirrors are handy though, esp passenger side.
>
Morgoth
coz you can move power mirrors without them knowing youre looking at them.
it would be a bit stupid you sitting there twiddling with your manual mirror
while she's walking past.
Derek
Forg
>
> My mate has a '93 Lexcen - and considering they costed quite a bit more than
> the Commodore at the time, they are VERY ordinary cars.
That's crap. They were the same price, give or take a couple of hundred
dollars, and that couple of hundred dollars equated to plus or minus
some equipment.
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> > And why can't you check out chicks with regular mirrors?
>
> it would be a bit stupid you sitting there twiddling with your manual
mirror
> while she's walking past.
imagine how seedy you would look if they caught you, since they would see
your face in the mirror
rob
>
> Derek
>
>
Revhead
that it was only offered in auto V6 form
Jason James
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I guess the point is the VN C/dore and Lexcen were virtually the same. So
who would buy a Lexcen just to have the dufferent badges and some minor body
plasic changes?
JJ( not this little duck)
Marty Hogan
> I guess the point is the VN C/dore and Lexcen were virtually the same. So
> who would buy a Lexcen just to have the dufferent badges and some minor
body
> plasic changes?
>
> JJ( not this little duck)
Yuppys, people that are too good to drive a holden, people that hate holdens
and arent smart enough to realise its a holden, people that just hate
holdens. If for some reason I had one, id put toyota badges on it.
Then again, I wouldnt have one either,
Kieron Murphy
<tou...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>I guess the point is the VN C/dore and Lexcen were virtually the same. So
>who would buy a Lexcen just to have the dufferent badges and some minor body
>plasic changes?
As an personal purchase, you may get a better deal from a Toyota
dealer, I remember talking to an Avis franchisee who had a few Lexcens
and he bought them because Toyota gave him a better deal.
Out of interest, a few years back you could buy a Nissan Ute, which
was of course a Falcon ute, the reason why you would buy the Nissan
version is because you got a longer warranty!!
Kieron
Jason James
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Yeah, Wanker: "Yes I own a Toyota Lexcen" observer: "Where is it?"
"There's only a Commodore outside"
JJ
Jason James
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Go figure.........tight GMH bastards.
Ute owner: Yeah I own a Ford Nissan Longreach Beaut ute!!
JJ
JJ
The Red Krawler
> was of course a Falcon ute, the reason why you would buy the Nissan
> version is because you got a longer warranty!!
I'd rather a Nissan badge myself. Not cause I hate ford, but cause that oval
blue badge is so asthetically displeasing
Morgoth
> imagine how seedy you would look if they caught you, since they would see
> your face in the mirror
>
> rob
Seedy is good!! better than blatant perving :) at least they dont feel the
need to come and slap you!
Derek
Adam
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>"Hyena" <hye...@start.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>The Red Krawler <kra...@hoontown.com> wrote in message
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>>> > omg, no power windows! - gees no wonder it's crap :)
>>>
>>> Are power windows to commodores what mugen stickers are to rice burners?
>>
>>Nah they're just something else to go wrong. Of course I can say that
cause
>>I dont have them :-)
>>
>
>
>A mate who's spare parts manager for a Holden dealer said that from the VP
II
>onwards the problem was fixed.
I hate to admit it, but the windows and mirrors on my VP II have their
problems. Thats from an owner who cracks the shits everytime he has to fix
something......
I reckon Holdens have shite electrics. But I can fix it at least......
Cheers,
Adam
Jake the Dog
> I'd rather a Nissan badge myself. Not cause I hate ford, but cause that
oval
> blue badge is so asthetically displeasing
c'mon admit it, you hate ford.
Dale McBride
strips, front indicators were a different shape on VN & VP and
obviously so was the sheet metal surrounding them. I think the
interior trim was different. Options may have been slightly raised
but I dunno. Nothing that would make you choose it over a commodore
really. I don't know much about the VR shape lexcen's but I think the
changes were much less by then to cut costs, so they shared the kept
the holden indicators. In my opinion the indicator changes were the
biggest waste of time & money. The original ones looked a lot better.
I knew someone that had one and they actually thought they were better
than everyone else because they drove a Toyota Lexcen. I said "you
know it's really a Holden don't you?". Ah well Toyota must have loved
the ignorant people that bought them thinking it was a totally
different and far superior car. I also recall having a long argument
with someone over the V6 engine in commodores. This guy thinks he
knows everything so he decided to mention the so called fact that it
is a toyota engine. I said "ever heard of a company called Buick
dickhead" but he refused to listen and swore black and blue that all
these v6 holdens are driving around with "toyota engines from some car
called a Lexcen". Myself and another mate gave up at this point and
couldn't stop laughing.
Dale
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:17:55 -0700, Roger Smith <ro...@jaba.com.au>
wrote:
Rafael Ramos
witnessed the introduction of the "Lexcen VN"...They were slightly higher
spec than the base model Commodore Executive, but the best one was the "VR
Newport", which virtually was a Calais...
Cheers,
Ralf..