Legal wheels spacers?
Michael C
way to do this on a car that I need to get an engineers certificate for? I'm
in Victoria. I tried searching but could only find an answer for nsw.
Michael C
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:10:33 +1000, "Michael C" <m...@nospam.com>
> scribbled thusly:
> Why?
Offset of commodore is 38mm and the EH is 6mm. The commodore diff was
modified to be the same width as the EH when it really should have been 64mm
wider.
Michael
Diesel Damo
(and no, it's not Sheik Yerbouti - although he probably has/does)
Michael C
news:1119843481.6...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I've seen someone use home made wooden ones before. No joke.
>
> (and no, it's not Sheik Yerbouti - although he probably has/does)
Wood is legal isn't it? ;-)
Michael
Diesel Damo
> Wood is legal isn't it? ;-)
Yep, that should stand up in court okay. You could also use the fact
that marshmallow is legal too, to try and set some sort of precedent
;-)
Michael C
> that marshmallow is legal too, to try and set some sort of precedent
> ;-)
From my understanding the law says as long as it's permanently attached to
the car it's legal. I haven't looked into the relative laws but I'm sure it
doesn't say that marshmallow can't be used. :-) The only problem now is how
do I attach a marshmallow.
Michael
Old Bugger
>> I've seen someone use home made wooden ones before. No joke.
>>
>> (and no, it's not Sheik Yerbouti - although he probably has/does)
>
>Wood is legal isn't it? ;-)
Michael C
> You need to read this
> http://tinyurl.com/dd5ba
> Specifically...."The fitment of wheel spacers is not permitted unless
> originally fitted by the manufacturer"
That is for NSW but I presume Vic is similar. But is something welded to the
wheel or disc a spacer or part of the wheel or disc?
Michael
atec
this case a big nono
hippo
would be quicker, easier, safer, less heartache and (after all the
subsequent pissing about), probably cheaper into the bargain. Measure
twice; cut once! Cheers
hippo
Wood is legal isn't it? ;-)
Must be ... State Forests have shedloads of it!
hippo
>From my understanding the law says as long as it's permanently attached
to
>the car it's legal. I haven't looked into the relative laws but I'm sure
>it
>doesn't say that marshmallow can't be used. :-) The only problem now is
>how
>do I attach a marshmallow.
>Michael
You could always ask Toyota. They've been doing it with Toyo and Daihatsu
struts for years. Hehehe :-)
Michael C
news:e720a50d2cb1cd11...@localhost.talkaboutautos.com...
Quite possibly, I'm going to talk to the guy who modified it. He spent about
a half hour telling me how I should get it done through him because it would
be done right. I made the mistake of assuming that because he'd done it many
times before he knew what he was doing.
Michael
athol
> That is for NSW but I presume Vic is similar. But is something welded to
> the wheel or disc a spacer or part of the wheel or disc?
A wheel spacer is a plate that goes between the face of the hub and the
wheel to shift the wheel outwards, using the original studs to secure the
wheel. The spacer may be round, square, pentagonal, etc., and may have
fitted holes or slots. The wheel nuts or studs will usually need to be
changed to get adequate thread engagement. The fitment of wheel spacers
is not permitted in NSW unless an original option from the manufacturer.
A wheel adapter is a machined component that secures to the original hub
with the original wheel studs or bolts, and which incorporates a separate
set of studs or thread inserts to which the wheel is bolted. The fitment
of adapters that fit dual wheels to an axle originally designed for single
wheels is not permitted in NSW.
A plate affixed to the hub can be classed as part of the hub. An example
of this is the face of a "hat" type disc brake rotor or a brake drum.
These will, as a rule, be centred on the centre spigot of the axle, have
fitted holes (ie neat fit) on the wheel studs, and the wheel studs will be
of a type that have a longer shoulder such that the shoulder is into the
plate and the inner end of the thread starts almost flush with the outside
of that plate. Such plates will generally be less than 10mm thick and
there will be only one such plate between the axle flange and the wheel.
Finally, there is the separate issue of axle bearing and shaft loadings.
The centre of the wheel is not allowed to move more than 0.5" outwards
compared to the original position of the wheel relative to the wheel hub,
bearings, etc..
Hence, it would be quite acceptable to fit adapters to an early Holden,
Volvo, etc. that compensate for the difference in rim offset such that the
centre of deeper offset (eg commodore) wheels bolted to that adapter don't
sit more than 0.5" out from the centre of the original wheels.
If you shorten an axle, the allowable track for it shortens by the same
amount. A commode diff that has been shortened 65mm too far is 40mm (65mm
minus about 1") too short. The only possibility then is to prove that the
axle diameter, wheel bearings, etc. are the same as a car that had less
rim offset to start with (ie HQ-WB) and hence that the allowable maximum
distance from the centre of the wheel bearing to the centre of the wheel
should use the dimension from that other vehicle. Then, wheel _adapters_
can be legal.
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Michael C
> Did you give him the measurements?
I probably should have but didn't. I must admit this problem did enter my
head but for some reason I assumed they would have it sorted. They've
assumed I was going to convert the stud pattern back to EH but I would have
thought they'd assume I'd be bolting up commodore wheels as it's a shitload
easier. I also supplied them with commodore brakes to fit and if I was going
to convert to EH I would have got them to do it.
> If not, tell him it's wrong and you want one done right!
I've given him a call today, he's going to call me back tomorrow. He didn't
say if he would resolve it but sounded positive. The best solution would be
if they use my housing for the next job and modify another one for me.
Michael
D Walford
There are 2 types spacers, one type fits over the existing studs and
AFAIK are illegal.
The other type bolts onto the original studs but has another set of
studs that the wheel bolts to and AFAIK these are legal.
The later type is often used on cars like Porsches and a mate has a set
(25mm) on his Lotus 7 replica.
If in doubt ring an engineer and ask.
Daryl
D Walford
>
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:16:15 +1000, "Michael C" <m...@nospam.com>
> scribbled thusly:
>
> ><OzOne> wrote in message news:0gqub1hi3tkccq553...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:10:33 +1000, "Michael C" <m...@nospam.com>
> >> scribbled thusly:
> >>
> >>>I need to add wheel spacers of 32mm to the rear of my car. Is there a
> >>>legal
> >>>way to do this on a car that I need to get an engineers certificate for?
> >>>I'm
> >>>in Victoria. I tried searching but could only find an answer for nsw.
> >>>
> >> 32MM!!!?
> >> Why?
> >
> >Offset of commodore is 38mm and the EH is 6mm. The commodore diff was
> >modified to be the same width as the EH when it really should have been 64mm
> >wider.
> >
> >Michael
> >
> http://tinyurl.com/dd5ba
> Specifically...."The fitment of wheel spacers is not permitted unless
> originally fitted by the manufacturer"
>
>
manufacturer:-)
Daryl
kevcat
FFS
leave them in the sun for a few hours
they will sick to anything and never come off
never had kids eat marshmellows in the car before?????
Kev
a9x5l
Have a look in this modification guide from Vicroads. It says that you
can't fit spacers unless they were supplied by the manufacturer as
original equipment...
<http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/rdsafe/vsi%208.pdf>
(1/2 way down left column on page 4, unless the file has changed recently!)
And here's the page for all Vicroads Standards information...
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atec
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:21:02 +1000, D Walford <wal...@iprimus.com.au>
> scribbled thusly:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>Daryl
>
>
> Yep, and it's certified by an engineer AND the bloody things way so
> little that the wheel bearings can handle the extra loadings easily.
>
>
that would be weigh ?
or is it away somewhere ?
Toby Ponsenby
Weigh to go!!
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D Walford
Had a lot of changes/mods since it was last weighed (680kg) but we think
its approx 700kg.
Latest "mod" is 195/65X14 Yoko road legal race tyres, bloody things
stick like glue:-)
Daryl
hippo
>Weigh to go!!
..That is, unless they're made of cheese ....
whey to go! Cheers
Hotman Paris Hutapea
they make morgans out of wood
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Hotman Paris Hutapea
wrote:
>I've seen someone use home made wooden ones before. No joke.
>
>(and no, it's not Sheik Yerbouti - although he probably has/does)
i turn them out on my wood lathe all the time. i've never had one
returned, customers are happy as far as i know :)
Michael
news:4982c1182181t3dbu...@4ax.com:
>>I've seen someone use home made wooden ones before. No joke.
>>
>>(and no, it's not Sheik Yerbouti - although he probably has/does)
>
> i turn them out on my wood lathe all the time. i've never had one
> returned, customers are happy as far as i know :)
You make em?? I'll take three!
Michael C
hippo
>Michael" <mk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> wrote in message
>> You make em?? I'll take three!
>Bean mobile?
>Michael
Bloody hell! YOu'd need more than wheel spacers to stop a plastic pig -
oops, Reliant Robin - falling over if you corner it too hard. Cheers