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tric1960

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Oct 29, 2009, 4:33:43 AM10/29/09
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When the C**** at Regency Park do it.

Car is still registered in ACT and I have a signed rego certificate
and receipt to show sale to me in SA.

You would think it would not need ANY inspection. In SA they must
think the ACT is a third world country. I have to have a Tier 2
inspection. This is supposed to be an ID inspection, check the VIN
etc.

But the C**** here checked the car for just about everything. They
won't give me an ID clearance until I take off the window tint and get
a OEM steering wheel.

C****!!!!!

D Walford

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Oct 29, 2009, 6:13:45 AM10/29/09
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AFAIK such a transfer in Vic needs a roadworthy cert which sounds no
different to SA.
If the window tint or steering wheel doesn't comply complain to whoever
you bought the unroadworthy car from.
Why did they defect the steering wheel?


Daryl

Scotty

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Oct 29, 2009, 6:20:31 AM10/29/09
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"D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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Wind down all the windows and remove the winders. Tell them you never wind them up. Not an offence
to not have side window glass!


Noddy

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Oct 29, 2009, 6:38:01 AM10/29/09
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"Scotty" <sco...@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wind down all the windows and remove the winders. Tell them you never wind
> them up. Not an offence
> to not have side window glass!

No, it's not, but if it *has* side window glass it has to be in operational
condition. You can't simply wind it down and claim to never use it. It
either has to be fully functional or removed from the car completely.

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Noddy.


Scotty

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Oct 29, 2009, 6:44:24 AM10/29/09
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"Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in message news:4ae970f6$0$70405$c30e...@exi-reader.telstra.net...
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Hmm, a bit like the spare wheel, you dont have to have one butif you do its got to be roadworthy
condition.

veritas

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Oct 29, 2009, 7:28:38 AM10/29/09
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Scotty wrote:

>
> Wind down all the windows and remove the winders. Tell them you never wind them up. Not an offence
> to not have side window glass!


Then you get a ticket for not securing you car - you can't win with BIG
BROTHER - too many loosely drafted laws and no BIL of RIGHTS - you can't
avoid doing something that can be corrupted, and used against, you by
the spin-masters.
>
>

Albm&ctd

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Oct 29, 2009, 7:43:16 AM10/29/09
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In article <4ae9720a$0$17749$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
sco...@warmmail.com says...
AFAIK, in Qld at least, they don't bother about the condition of the spare tyre
at roadworthy.
If you use a bald spare on the road it's a defect.
Last car we bought passed with scrubbed spare tyre.
Of course we replaced the tyres and put the best old (and legal to use on the
road) one in the well as a spare.

Al
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Noddy

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Oct 29, 2009, 8:07:43 AM10/29/09
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"Scotty" <sco...@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hmm, a bit like the spare wheel, you dont have to have one butif you do
> its got to be roadworthy
> condition.

It applies to most things on cars, and believe it or not it applies to fog
lights. If you have a non genuine set of fog or spot lights fitted to a car
they have to be functional to be roadworthy, or they have to be removed.

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Noddy.


John_H

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Oct 29, 2009, 4:42:09 PM10/29/09
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veritas wrote:
>
> you can't win with BIG
>BROTHER - too many loosely drafted laws and no BIL of RIGHTS - you can't
>avoid doing something that can be corrupted, and used against, you by
>the spin-masters.

Qld Police Commissioner Atkinson (on the bikie laws) says
otherwise....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/29/2727878.htm

"We will not in any way attempt to abuse the opportunity we have with
this legislation, we will exercise common sense and discretion."

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John H

st3ph3nm

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Oct 29, 2009, 5:26:19 PM10/29/09
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My guess would be lack of padding. In Victoria, the Vic Road Rules
state that if the original wheel had a padded centre, then any
replacement wheel must also have a padded centre. So the classic
sports wheels are only going to comply in cars that are pretty much
pre-1980. Interestingly, (and not for the first time) the ADR's don't
say anything on the matter. So, for example, I have nothing but ADR
compliant sports wheels for sale, but on most cars, they won't be
considered roadworthy in Victoria.

Cheers,
Steve

tric1960

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Oct 29, 2009, 6:08:21 PM10/29/09
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> Steve- Hide quoted text -
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He said I could replace the wheel with a Momo or Isotta or OEM.

The bit that pisses me off is that is not supposed to be a roadworthy
inspection. They say it is just something they do as the car is there.
They are arsholes. I could understand it if the defect was a blatantly
obvious AND a danger, but this C*** went looking until he found
something. Akk he was required to do was check the VIN against the
rego papers and stolen cars register. C****

veritas

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Oct 29, 2009, 7:38:38 PM10/29/09
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John_H wrote:

>
> "We will not in any way attempt to abuse the opportunity we have with
> this legislation, we will exercise common sense and discretion."
>

Hehe, what utter bullshit - how many times have I heard that! I take it
John, that you had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that :)

We will only place radar at "black spots".

We won't place radar at the bottom of grades where a drive might
inadvertantly exceed the speed limit by a small margin.

We won't hangaround pubs with breathalisers.

We will not stop a driver for breath-testing unless he is driving
erratically. (US "Probable Cause")

We will not demand to see driver's licences when a driver has been
stopped for a breath test or when no offence has been identified.

0.05 was changed to 0.08 due to public outcry only to sneak the 0.05
back in when things quitened down.

And so the list can go on, and on, and on.............

Just about EVERY law that has been enacted has had its origional
intention corrupted and turned against us to suit "Big Brother".
Where is our "Bill of Rights"?

Anyone who believes that "common sense and discretion" is (or will be)
generally practiced by police (in any state) need desperate psychiatric
help.

Cheers.

hippo

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Oct 29, 2009, 8:03:37 PM10/29/09
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Know who did the original tint? Maybe check with them and see if it *is*
compliant then get a letter stating that.

With the steering wheel, why not swap it for a s/h OEM one, get it all
ticked off, swap it back and then take the car somewhere else next year?
Cheers

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Scotty

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Oct 29, 2009, 8:54:05 PM10/29/09
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"veritas" <ver...@jjgf.com> wrote in message news:hcd91l$g59$1...@aioe.org...
: John_H wrote:
:
: We will only place radar at "black spots".

:
: We won't place radar at the bottom of grades where a drive might
: inadvertantly exceed the speed limit by a small margin.
:
: We won't hangaround pubs with breathalisers.
:
: We will not stop a driver for breath-testing unless he is driving
: erratically. (US "Probable Cause")
:
: We will not demand to see driver's licences when a driver has been
: stopped for a breath test or when no offence has been identified.
:
: 0.05 was changed to 0.08 due to public outcry only to sneak the 0.05
: back in when things quitened down.
:


Cheques in the mail

No I wont in your mouth.

: And so the list can go on, and on, and on.............

:
:
:
:
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John_H

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Oct 30, 2009, 1:08:13 AM10/30/09
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veritas wrote:
>John_H wrote:
>>
>> "We will not in any way attempt to abuse the opportunity we have with
>> this legislation, we will exercise common sense and discretion."
>
>Hehe, what utter bullshit - how many times have I heard that! I take it
>John, that you had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that :)

Well, I was gonna add... we used to have the flying peanut now we've
got a flying pig. :)

<snip>


>
>Just about EVERY law that has been enacted has had its origional
>intention corrupted and turned against us to suit "Big Brother".
>Where is our "Bill of Rights"?

This goes further than anything I can remember before, since the
Commissioner freely admits the opportunity to abuse the legislation is
already there! (There's nothing that needs turning or corrupting.)

>
>Anyone who believes that "common sense and discretion" is (or will be)
>generally practiced by police (in any state) need desperate psychiatric
>help.

The law doesn't recognise common sense (you won't find it in a legal
dictionary), and probably discretion as well... so exactly what does
he mean?

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John H

person

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Oct 30, 2009, 2:22:44 AM10/30/09
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On Oct 29, 8:20 pm, "Scotty" <scot...@warmmail.com> wrote:
> "D Walford" <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote in message

>
> news:02f95950$0$1292$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...: tric1960 wrote:
>
> : > When the C**** at Regency Park do it.
> : >
> : > Car is still registered in ACT and I have a signed rego certificate
> : > and receipt to show sale to me in SA.
> : >
> : > You would think it would not need ANY inspection. In SA they must
> : > think the ACT is a third world country. I have to have a Tier 2
> : > inspection. This is supposed to be an ID inspection, check the VIN
> : > etc.
> : >
> : > But the C**** here checked the car for just about everything. They
> : > won't give me an ID clearance until I take off the window tint and get
> : > a OEM steering wheel.
> : >
> : > C****!!!!!
> :
> : AFAIK such a transfer in Vic needs a roadworthy cert which sounds no
> : different to SA.

There are no inspections required in SA at all, at any time, unless
the car has been listed as 'demolished'.

> : If the window tint or steering wheel doesn't comply complain to whoever
> : you bought the unroadworthy car from.

Also no warranty. 'Caveat Emptore'.

> : Why did they defect the steering wheel?

Probably because its too small.

What people used to do in this situation was do the VIN inspection in
the non-metropolitan area, cos the country RTA officers didn't check
anything (they're not cops, unlike Regency).
Don't know if you can do that now though.

PhilD

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Oct 30, 2009, 3:33:50 AM10/30/09
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"hippo" <am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1@REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in
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Good luck with that. Hope you have better luck than I have gotten in the NT.
The Govt rego shed failed me on a set of Teflon lined braided S/S brake
lines and made me put on a standard rubber set before the next yearly
inspection. This was despite them having passed them for the previous 12
years, especially as they consistently passed the brake dyno test. Just
because they didn't have an ADR stamp on them. Additionally they noted on
their computer records that I was only allowed to have the next inspection
at their own test facility (not at a licensed private business) to ensure
that I had complied. It's a bit of a laugh actually as there's so much more
that the blind buggers miss. With about 35 years of going through their
facility with my own and company fleet vehicles it's amazing the complete
lack of consistency.

PhilD


Jason James

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Oct 30, 2009, 2:20:51 PM10/30/09
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"John_H" <john...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> veritas wrote:
>>John_H wrote:
>>>
>>> "We will not in any way attempt to abuse the opportunity we have with
>>> this legislation, we will exercise common sense and discretion."
>>
>>Hehe, what utter bullshit - how many times have I heard that! I take it
>>John, that you had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that :)
>
> Well, I was gonna add... we used to have the flying peanut now we've
> got a flying pig. :)

Years ago, when the expressway between Lithgow and Bathhurst was first in
use, the fuzz actually used a small Cessna to spot speeders. I got busted
doing 118kph in a 110kph zone in the 245 Val :-)
They used a stopwatch between two markers.

Jason


veritas

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Oct 30, 2009, 6:48:08 PM10/30/09
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Jason James wrote:
>
> Years ago, when the expressway between Lithgow and Bathhurst was first in
> use, the fuzz actually used a small Cessna to spot speeders. I got busted
> doing 118kph in a 110kph zone in the 245 Val :-)
> They used a stopwatch between two markers.

Many years ago I received a helicopter endorsement from the (then) chief
pilot for the Victoria Police Air Arm (he wasn't a cop) when, over a
coffee at the Bell hanger in Brisbane, he related a story where the Vic.
government spent million$ in (TV/Radio/Newspaper) promotion of their
new-to-be helicopter spotting of motorists telling everyone that they
*will* be caught if they speed.

Everywhere they painted their road markers, the locals added their own
additional painted lines rendering the the whole Easter weekend exercise
useless.

The pilot was in deep shit with his boss when he couldn't stop laughing
about it. He was told that his attitude was not acceptable to the Vic.
Police Service.

Well - we all know, not many cops have a sense-of-humour :)

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Jason James

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Oct 31, 2009, 1:59:47 AM10/31/09
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"veritas" <ver...@jjgf.com> wrote in message news:hcfqf1$dn4$1...@aioe.org...

Yes indeedy,...love it :-)

Jason


PhilD

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Oct 31, 2009, 2:43:55 AM10/31/09
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"veritas" <ver...@jjgf.com> wrote in message news:hcfqf1$dn4$1...@aioe.org...
It was a long time ago but:
A Police Sergeant was on a radio talk back program discussing speeding and
radar and was adamant that they didn't hide their traps. A caller rang and
asked him about a regular one that appeared on a certain road near a bridge.
Caller said that they always hid behind a stand of bamboo so that you didn't
see them until you were right next to it. He then added that they couldn't
do it any longer as the night before he had cut down the bamboo. Cop didn't
say anything but host of show was laughing.

Before SA had open road limits set I was headed to a job in the country one
Monday morning. On a section of open road there was a mile marker a short
distance before a sweeping corner then continued up a slope with the next
mile point a short distance before the crest. Apparently there was a dirt
track off to the side before the first marker and a Highway Patrol 6cyl
Valiant was parked up there with a stop watch. A few miles later I saw that
there was a Police car (sirens & lights) coming up fast behind me and didn't
realize that he was chasing me. On pulling me over I was told that they had
timed me between the mile markers and was accused of 105mph on a wet road
and passing another car on the crest of the hill. I denied the extent of the
accusations of course. They said that they were flat out catching me. In
the discussion they asked where I was headed and on being told the name of
the town and the nature of my work they asked if I knew a certain person in
that town. It then twigged on me that they thought they were chasing him. I
knew of the person and his reputation but had never met him but he did have
a similar model and colour of car. I most definitely denied knowing him. I
didn't raise the issue there that the reason they were flat out catching me
was due to my having already been at cruising speed and that they had to get
started and get on to the highway before accelerating in their under powered
car. Also, they were so far behind there was no way to accurately decide
when I had passed the next mile post.

I was seriously considering fighting the issue in court on a number of
grounds but when the summons arrived it only had me exceeding 60mph. I just
pleaded guilty as the possibility of them showing up and the rest of the
allegations being aired was risky. Anyway, the notice of the fine arrived
and it was $60 so on another trip through the town I dropped by the
courthouse to pay it. The snotty nosed kid behind the counter said "So
you're the one with the GT" and I gave him a serve that it wasn't a GT, just
a Falcon 500 and to look across the street and he would see that it had
chrome strips and wheel trims. His answer was to try and put me down by
saying that "$60 is a lot of money" and I replied that "It was just a small
part of one pay packet" which wiped the smile off of his face. Maybe I
should have said that it was less than two tanks of petrol and I normally
used around 2-3 a week.

PhilD


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Atheist Chaplain

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Oct 31, 2009, 7:57:40 PM10/31/09
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"Blue Heeler" <wo...@bark.net> wrote in message
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> veritas wrote:
>
>>
>> Well - we all know, not many cops have a sense-of-humour :)
>
>
> Some do.
>
> A while back I was pulled up doing well over the posted speedlimit.
>
>
> The copper sauntered up and said "Let's see your Pilot's licence then".
>
> So I took mine out and handed it to him.
>
>
> He looked at it, did a double take and then said "There's no coming
> back from that one is there?"
>
>
> He handed it back to me, asked me to slow down and with a friendly
> farewell we both drove off laughing.
>
>
> Funny thing, the exchange had about the same effect in respect to
> slowing me down as a ticket would have. I think humour is under
> utilized.
>
>
> --
>
will have to remember that one :-[)

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Albm&ctd

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In article <xn0gh4le...@news.individual.net>, wo...@bark.net says...

> He handed it back to me, asked me to slow down and with a friendly
> farewell we both drove off laughing.
>
Shared a joint as well no doubt.
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