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Holden 3.8litre V6 in a Mitsubishi 3.0l Pajero

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Chris Taylor

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Aug 14, 2008, 6:37:44 AM8/14/08
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has anyone placed a Holden V6 into a 3.0l manual pajero my 4WD in a 1988
NF 3.0l 5 Speed manual
Hoping for some info, Help, any idea's
Thanks
Chris

Jason James

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Aug 14, 2008, 8:32:38 AM8/14/08
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"Chris Taylor" <chris.nopsan.j.taylor@.com.au.optus> wrote in message
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Havw sussed Dellow out? They do a lot conversions, and supply kits for more
common conversions. Google them, then e-mail or ring them.

Jason


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mmal3...@hotmail.com

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Aug 14, 2008, 4:31:23 PM8/14/08
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On Aug 14, 8:37 pm, Chris Taylor <chris.nopsan.j.taylor@.com.au.optus>
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why would anyone replace a sensational mitsubishi v6 engine with a
complete shitbox 3.8 litre holden v6?
you should know that any engines with ohv is an inferior and
unreliable engine ever just get another mitsubishi v6 engine they are
one of the most reliable engines you can get

Ron

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Aug 14, 2008, 6:42:08 PM8/14/08
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Chris Taylor <chris.nopsan.j.taylor@.com.au.optus> wrote in news:48a40af7$0
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Good idea!
At least it won't rattle, blow blue smoke and leak oil :-)

Ron

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mmal3...@hotmail.com wrote in news:ffa9292e-6111-4fb6-b3f3-bd65b2af8f43
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Easy, Mitsibishi rubbish wear out quick, rattle, blow blue smoke, gutless
and above all, hard to get pats.

The Holden motors are plentiful, reliable and easy to get parts for.

The poor guy doesn't want a complete "LEMON"... ROTFLMAO :-)

Jason James

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"Athol" <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in message
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> Jason James <a...@peace.com> wrote:

> > "Chris Taylor" <chris.nopsan.j.taylor@.com.au.optus> wrote:
>
> >> has anyone placed a Holden V6 into a 3.0l manual pajero my 4WD in a
1988
> >> NF 3.0l 5 Speed manual
> >> Hoping for some info, Help, any idea's
>
> > Havw sussed Dellow out? They do a lot conversions, and supply kits for
more
> > common conversions. Google them, then e-mail or ring them.
>
> I am not going to comment on Dellow except to say that I downloaded their
> catalogue and waded through it and couldn't tell if they actually have a
> conversion kit for a Pajero. Couldn't find any mention of it:
>
> http://www.dellowauto.com.au/catalogue/DellowAutomotive.pdf

I haven't bought any kits from them, but I know of a guy who got a Cleveland
to T5 kit which went OK. The manager or supervisor I spoke to when checking
out the same kit, didnt inspire much, especially when he said "we've got the
clutch problems ironed out now" Ahh,..*now* hmmm...

Jason


Noddy

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Aug 14, 2008, 8:41:38 PM8/14/08
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<mmal3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> why would anyone replace a sensational mitsubishi v6 engine with a
> complete shitbox 3.8 litre holden v6?

Probably because the sensational Mitsubishi V6 enigine is dead and they cost
an arm and two legs to replace :)

> you should know that any engines with ohv is an inferior and
> unreliable engine ever just get another mitsubishi v6 engine they are
> one of the most reliable engines you can get

If they were reliable he wouldn't be looking to replace the one he has,
would he you fucking dickhead? :)

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Noddy.


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Ron

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Aug 15, 2008, 1:29:30 AM8/15/08
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Athol <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in news:g82mkp$ot8$1...@aioe.org:

> Jason James <a...@peace.com> wrote:
>> "Athol" <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:


>>> Jason James <a...@peace.com> wrote:
>
>>> > Havw sussed Dellow out? They do a lot conversions, and supply kits
>>> > for more common conversions. Google them, then e-mail or ring
>>> > them.
>
>>> I am not going to comment on Dellow except to say that I downloaded
>>> their catalogue and waded through it and couldn't tell if they
>>> actually have a conversion kit for a Pajero. Couldn't find any
>>> mention of it:
>
>>> http://www.dellowauto.com.au/catalogue/DellowAutomotive.pdf
>
>> I haven't bought any kits from them, but I know of a guy who got a
>> Cleveland to T5 kit which went OK. The manager or supervisor I spoke
>> to when checking out the same kit, didnt inspire much, especially
>> when he said "we've got the clutch problems ironed out now"
>> Ahh,..*now* hmmm...
>

> Back in the early '90s, I saw a Dellow bellhousing that had the
> centrelines of the front and back faces off line by about 1/4". IOW,
> the centreline of the gearbox input shaft was sideways 1/4" relative
> to the centre of the crankshaft.
>
> Mind you, I found a problem with the CRS chassis kit for a Capri in
> the last 12 months... They had reversed the end brackets on a
> crossmember that bolted in just ahead of the diff such that a step in
> the crossmember was upside down and, if you jacked up the back of the
> body, the tailshaft would come down and rest on the crossmember.
> IIRC, the whole chassis kit had to be dropped out of the body to
> remove the crossmember. They fixed the one that I found the problem
> on under warranty but another guy with the same kit bought 2nd hand
> apparently has the same problem but I'm told that they won't warrant
> it because it was sold too long ago.
>

Dellow makes a conversion kit for a CillyCar gear box onto a XJ6 and V12
motor. It could best be discribed as "Crude engineering".

Ron

Noddy

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Aug 15, 2008, 1:34:55 AM8/15/08
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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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> Dellow makes a conversion kit for a CillyCar gear box onto a XJ6 and V12
> motor. It could best be discribed as "Crude engineering".

Be right at home for a Jag then, wouldn't it? :)

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Regards,
Noddy.


Ron

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"Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in news:48a515b2$0$56181$c30e37c6@lon-
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Not at all.
A Jaguar is far from "Crude engineering".
It is not an XP Falcon, far from it, thank god!! :)

Jason James

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"Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> <mmal3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ffa9292e-6111-4fb6...@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > why would anyone replace a sensational mitsubishi v6 engine with a
> > complete shitbox 3.8 litre holden v6?
>
> Probably because the sensational Mitsubishi V6 enigine is dead and they
cost
> an arm and two legs to replace :)

They pump out about 20kw more than my 4 cylinder Camry,...they're a boat
anchor.

Jason


Ron

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Aug 15, 2008, 5:20:20 AM8/15/08
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"Jason James" <a...@peace.com> wrote in
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You forgot "Garbage" :-)
Why anyone would waste good money on a mitseeshitsee has got me fucked!
If I was given one I'd give it to my Dutch Brother in Law, just because
:-)
Last thing I gave him was a stainless steel wok :-)
Food stuck to it like shit to a blanket, and was a bastard to clean...
LOL :-)

Clocky

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Aug 15, 2008, 7:32:22 AM8/15/08
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"Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in message
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Heh, we still agree on something then ;-)


Noddy

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"Clocky" <nic...@migo.com> wrote in message
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> Heh, we still agree on something then ;-)

Professional courtesy :)

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Noddy.

Jason James

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Aug 15, 2008, 8:39:55 AM8/15/08
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"Athol" <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in message
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> Jason James <a...@peace.com> wrote:
> > "Athol" <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
> >> Jason James <a...@peace.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Havw sussed Dellow out? They do a lot conversions, and supply kits
for
> >> > more common conversions. Google them, then e-mail or ring them.
>
> >> I am not going to comment on Dellow except to say that I downloaded
their
> >> catalogue and waded through it and couldn't tell if they actually have
a
> >> conversion kit for a Pajero. Couldn't find any mention of it:
>
> >> http://www.dellowauto.com.au/catalogue/DellowAutomotive.pdf
>
> > I haven't bought any kits from them, but I know of a guy who got a
Cleveland
> > to T5 kit which went OK. The manager or supervisor I spoke to when
checking
> > out the same kit, didnt inspire much, especially when he said "we've got
the
> > clutch problems ironed out now" Ahh,..*now* hmmm...
>
> Back in the early '90s, I saw a Dellow bellhousing that had the
centrelines
> of the front and back faces off line by about 1/4". IOW, the centreline
of
> the gearbox input shaft was sideways 1/4" relative to the centre of the
> crankshaft.
>
> Mind you, I found a problem with the CRS chassis kit for a Capri in the
last
> 12 months... They had reversed the end brackets on a crossmember that
bolted
> in just ahead of the diff such that a step in the crossmember was upside
down
> and, if you jacked up the back of the body, the tailshaft would come down
and
> rest on the crossmember. IIRC, the whole chassis kit had to be dropped
out
> of the body to remove the crossmember. They fixed the one that I found
the
> problem on under warranty but another guy with the same kit bought 2nd
hand
> apparently has the same problem but I'm told that they won't warrant it
> because it was sold too long ago.

Charming: a non-statute of limitations, on fucked engineering.

Jason


Clocky

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Aug 15, 2008, 9:11:48 AM8/15/08
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"Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in message
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:-)


Ron

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"Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in news:48a56a9c$0$56168$c30e37c6@lon-
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I would hardly call agreement with a dutch prick who drives cars into a
servicing bay for the mechanics, proffesional!

He would be as "savy" as Ozone.... ROTFLMAO.
No wonder you are attracted to idiots..

Jason James

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Aug 15, 2008, 7:45:26 PM8/15/08
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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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> Last thing I gave him was a stainless steel wok :-)
> Food stuck to it like shit to a blanket, and was a bastard to clean...
> LOL :-)

Yeah,..they worked great on an electric stove ..not :-)

The Good-guys store had a sale where electric woks were going for $45. Work
great with the heating element half way up the sides.

Jason


mmal3...@hotmail.com

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On Aug 15, 10:41 am, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:
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the owner neglected the engine and has damaged it

Noddy

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> the owner neglected the engine and has damaged it.

Oh, so you know the guy, huh?

Do you honestly realise just what a fucking imbecile people here think you
are?

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Noddy.


mmal3...@hotmail.com

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On Aug 16, 1:44 pm, "Noddy" <I_cant_be_fuc...@work.com.au> wrote:
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get over your anti mistubishi bullshit

Noddy

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<mmal3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> get over your anti mistubishi bullshit

Grow a dick, you fucken soft cock.

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Noddy.


RogerM

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"Athol" <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in message
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> Jason James <a...@peace.com> wrote:
>> "Chris Taylor" <chris.nopsan.j.taylor@.com.au.optus> wrote:
>
>>> has anyone placed a Holden V6 into a 3.0l manual pajero my 4WD in a 1988
>>> NF 3.0l 5 Speed manual
>>> Hoping for some info, Help, any idea's
>
>> Havw sussed Dellow out? They do a lot conversions, and supply kits for
>> more
>> common conversions. Google them, then e-mail or ring them.
>
> I am not going to comment on Dellow

For once we agree. Perhaps they have improved. ;>)

Roger

RogerM

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LOL...you really don't like pommy cars do you Nods?

Roger
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>

RogerM

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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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Ouch...the XP was probably one of the best Fords ever built, especially the
2 door super pursuit 200cu in.

Roger

RogerM

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LOL....is that an arselick I detect??

Roger

RogerM

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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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You don't write many posts without mentioning the five letter word do you
Ron.

Roger

RogerM

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"Chris Taylor" <chris.nopsan.j.taylor@.com.au.optus> wrote in message
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> has anyone placed a Holden V6 into a 3.0l manual pajero my 4WD in a 1988
> NF 3.0l 5 Speed manual
> Hoping for some info, Help, any idea's
> Thanks
> Chris

V6 Conversions have available a Conversion Kit that allows the installation
of the Holden Commodore V6 3.8ltr EFI V6 engine to the above vehicle.
The kit is designed to replace the Mitsubishi 2.6 ltr, 4 cylinder petrol
engine (carby
model), as well as the 2.5 ltr 4 cylinder diesel engine.

The kit is designed to allow the V6 engine to be fitted to the standard
5-speed gearbox. All of these kits including their respective transmissions
have the same combined length making them completely interchangeable.
The adaptor kits are designed to allow adequate firewall clearance therefor
eliminating the need to move the transfer case or modify drive shafts.

The adaptor housing is a flywheel housing with the GM bolt pattern on the
front and the Mitsubishi bolt pattern on the rear. The adaptor housing
measures 80mm or 3.15'' in lenght, which allows adequate firewall and
throttle body clearance.

The adaptor housing allows the standard V6 GM clutch pressure plate with a
V8 clutch disc to be used on the V6 flywheel. The V8 clutch disc provides
less clutch shudder in the heavier 4WD due to the clutch plate having
stronger centre springs.

The clutch is coupled to the gearbox by a special gearbox input extension
shaft. It has the GM spigot diameter with external spline on the engine end
and Mitsubishi spigot diameter with external spline on the gearbox end.

The Mitsubishi engine mounting kit (Part no. V6C 790) enables the use of the
standard GM engine bracket located on the left side of the engine. This
design allows the use of the standard GM air conditioning compressor if
required.
Comprehensive fitting instructions are also supplied as part of the kit
along with excellent technical backup support if required.

Further info here.
http://www.v6conversions.com.au/information%20PAJERO%204X4.htm

Roger

RogerM

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<mmal3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 14, 8:37 pm, Chris Taylor <chris.nopsan.j.taylor@.com.au.optus>
wrote:
> has anyone placed a Holden V6 into a 3.0l manual pajero my 4WD in a 1988
> NF 3.0l 5 Speed manual
> Hoping for some info, Help, any idea's
> Thanks
> Chris

why would anyone replace a sensational mitsubishi v6 engine with a


complete shitbox 3.8 litre holden v6?

Probably because the Mitsu one he has is fucked?

you should know that any engines with ohv is an inferior and
unreliable engine ever just get another mitsubishi v6 engine they are
one of the most reliable engines you can get

Not necessarily. Even a Rolls engine will desintergrate if treated poorly.

Roger

RogerM

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<mmal3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How do you know this? Do you know the guy?

Roger

RogerM

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>
> <mmal3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a8a5296d-ac92-448c...@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
>> the owner neglected the engine and has damaged it.
>
> Oh, so you know the guy, huh?
>

LOL....Fuck me, maybe I should read all the posts in the thread first before
replying. First Athol and now you.

Roger

RogerM

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"Noddy" <I_cant_b...@work.com.au> wrote in message
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It's fuck"ing" Nods and how do you know he is a soft cock? ;>)

Roger

Ron

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"Noddy" <I_cant_b...@work.com.au> wrote in
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Fair go!
He IS Irish.

Does "Todd Riley" alias Serialpest, ring a bell?
Same dickhead same tune..

Ron

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>
> <mmal3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cebc5401-bea7-4182...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
>> get over your anti mistubishi bullshit
>
> Grow a dick, you fucken soft cock.
>

No need, Ozone may have one they can share..

Noddy

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"RogerM" <rog...@justrucks.com.au> wrote in message
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> LOL...you really don't like pommy cars do you Nods?

I like *some*, but I hate Jaguars with a passion.

They've never made a good one, and they can all be best described as money
pits.

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Noddy.


Noddy

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"RogerM" <rog...@justrucks.com.au> wrote in message
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> Ouch...the XP was probably one of the best Fords ever built, especially
> the 2 door super pursuit 200cu in.

Yeah, at least your average 40 odd year old XP Falcon would still start and
run these days without needing 4 restorations in it's life :)

--
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Noddy.


Noddy

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"RogerM" <rog...@justrucks.com.au> wrote in message
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> It's fuck"ing" Nods and how do you know he is a soft cock? ;>)

He thinks Mitsubishi make the world's best cars.

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Noddy.


jonz

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possibly a different group that think the same of you? ol`
buddy boy...
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>

Clocky

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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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> "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in news:48a56a9c$0$56168$c30e37c6@lon-
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>
>>
>> "Clocky" <nic...@migo.com> wrote in message
>> news:00b563cf$0$15422$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>>> Heh, we still agree on something then ;-)
>>
>> Professional courtesy :)
>>
> I would hardly call agreement with a dutch prick who drives cars into a
> servicing bay for the mechanics, proffesional!

Only one "f" in "professional", just like Noddy wrote in the line you
replied to.

Not the smartest peanut in the turd are you Ronald Mc...


GrassyNoel

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On Aug 15, 1:29 pm, Ron <dodo@hotmail> wrote:

> Dellow makes a conversion kit for a CillyCar gear box onto a XJ6 and V12
> motor.  It could best be discribed as "Crude engineering".

Both motors at once? That'd take some engineering :)

Ron

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"Noddy" <I_cant_b...@work.com.au> wrote in
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If you can find one not full of rust.
Mind you, there are far more many 40 year old Jaguars on the road than XP
Foulcans.
Why?
They are drivable and a pleasyre to drive. By todays standards they also
offer a degree of safety never even dreamed of in XP Foulcans.

You may find a few XP's that are sitting in sheds, as the previous owners
considered them not worth repairing, and rightly so. They were a horrid
car. Five and a half turns lock to lock steering. A small engine with a
short stroke that screamed to move. Drum bakes that barely made them
stop. Uncomfortable bench seats, terrible suspension and the list goes
on....

Why was the Jaguar restored four times, and travelled 1,000,000 km ?

Well, it looked good, was a dream to drive and sit in, had a powerful
DOHC, six cylinder, cross flow, hemi head six that was reliable.
The car had four wheel power assisted brakes, power steering, IRS ALL
ROUND and above all, charm.

There is absolutely NO comparison.

The only thing that ever let Jaguars down in Australia was bad
maintenance and totally unqualified mechanics.

Most Australian mechanics knew how to repair flat head fords and ohv
chevs, non had any experience on "engineered" motors.
And this, is the reason most bogans blast Fiat, Lancia, Jaguar, etc.. NFI

Ron

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Think before you post.
You may surprise yourself..

Noddy

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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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> If you can find one not full of rust.

I did, and I didn't have to look hard.

My next door neighbour has an XP Falcon sedan he's owned since new and it
still runs daily despite never having anything more serious than a respray
about 5 years ago. On the other hand, finding a 40 year old Jag that
*doesn't* need an engine rebuild, a full re-trim and 400 square feet of
sheet metal welded into the body to fill the rust holes is another thing
entirely :)

> Mind you, there are far more many 40 year old Jaguars on the road than XP
> Foulcans.

Are you talking locally or worldwide?

> Why?

Because there's *lots* of fuckwits out there who think Jags are good cars.
They usually know nothing about automobiles :)

> They are drivable and a pleasyre to drive. By todays standards they also
> offer a degree of safety never even dreamed of in XP Foulcans.

Yeah, they have to be able to *run* so they can actually get out onto the
road. A non runner has the best passive safety system around :)

> You may find a few XP's that are sitting in sheds, as the previous owners
> considered them not worth repairing, and rightly so. They were a horrid
> car. Five and a half turns lock to lock steering. A small engine with a
> short stroke that screamed to move. Drum bakes that barely made them
> stop. Uncomfortable bench seats, terrible suspension and the list goes
> on....

Oh, I'm sorry, but I thought you were describing your average Jag there.

If you were, you forgot to mention heavy as lard, handling ability of a
wounded bull, electrical systems that even the Chinese would reject, gasket
systems sponsored by OPEC, steering systems completely devoid of any kind of
road feel whatsoever, and sheet metal which rusted *almost* as fast as an
Alfa.

Oh, and let's not forget the fact that the cars were designed by window
lickers in a sheltered workshop, as that's the only way you could explain
why they're such a *cunt* of the thing to work on :)

> Why was the Jaguar restored four times, and travelled 1,000,000 km ?

Because they're an unreliable piss poor heap of shit.

> Well, it looked good, was a dream to drive and sit in, had a powerful
> DOHC, six cylinder, cross flow, hemi head six that was reliable.

ROTFLMFAO :)

> The car had four wheel power assisted brakes, power steering, IRS ALL
> ROUND and above all, charm.

Ah, Charm.

That's one of those subjective things like smell. My shit doesn't smell,
whereas yours stinks like, well, shit.

> There is absolutely NO comparison.

Absolutely.

That's why they sold a hundred thousand of the things compared to around 2
thousand of the same vintage Jaguar.

> The only thing that ever let Jaguars down in Australia was bad
> maintenance and totally unqualified mechanics.

The only thing that let Jaguar down was fucking Jaguar :)

> Most Australian mechanics knew how to repair flat head fords and ohv
> chevs, non had any experience on "engineered" motors.

Ah. And this would have presented a problem with a Jaguar how exactly? Their
engines are about as "engineered" as a Victa lawn mower.

> And this, is the reason most bogans blast Fiat, Lancia, Jaguar, etc.. NFI

If anyone around here has no fucking idea Ronald, I know who it is :)

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Noddy.


Clocky

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"Noddy" <I_cant_b...@work.com.au> wrote in message
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There is nothing special about Jaguar motors unless you count terible
reliability and mass oil consumption as positive attributes.

> Ah. And this would have presented a problem with a Jaguar how exactly?
> Their engines are about as "engineered" as a Victa lawn mower.
>
>> And this, is the reason most bogans blast Fiat, Lancia, Jaguar, etc.. NFI

There are plenty of Jag apologists around, even wannbe backyard mechanics
get in on the act but none have any idea because if they did they would
accept that Jags are on the whole are fucking woeful.

> If anyone around here has no fucking idea Ronald, I know who it is :)
>

I reckon I have a pretty good idea on that also... :-)


Ron

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"Noddy" <I_cant_b...@work.com.au> wrote in
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>> And this, is the reason most bogans blast Fiat, Lancia, Jaguar, etc..
>> NFI
>
> If anyone around here has no fucking idea Ronald, I know who it is :)
>

Precisely, YOU!
I seriously doubt you have ever had anything to do with "Jagauar"!

Yes I've heard the crap about you and REPCO, rebuilding Jaguar engines and
they were a headache. I'm not surprised. Most "Bogan Mechanics" can fix
simple cars like Holdens and Falcons, nothing else as they don't have the
brains to do so.

Noddy

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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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> Precisely, YOU!
> I seriously doubt you have ever had anything to do with "Jagauar"!

More than I'm willing to admit to unfortunately.

Experience tells me there are three things you can do with your average Jag:
(a) Throw shitloads of money at it in an endless stream of repair bills. (b)
Repower the thing with a Chev and enjoy a performance and reliability bonus,
or (c) sell the fucking thing and let it be a headache for someone else.

> Yes I've heard the crap about you and REPCO, rebuilding Jaguar engines and
> they were a headache. I'm not surprised. Most "Bogan Mechanics" can fix
> simple cars like Holdens and Falcons, nothing else as they don't have the
> brains to do so.

If you say so Ron, but coming from someone who bought a Hyclone device and
then claimed it *worked* I'll take that for all that I think it's worth :)

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Noddy.


Clocky

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"Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, that was a cracker... laid the career spud peeler's ignorance and
blatant stupidity out in the open for everyone to see :-)


Ron

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"Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in
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Ah yes, last resort "Hiclone"!

FYI I did not buy and never have bought a "Hiclone"....
FFS get it right!

This group should be called aus.bogan.cars
That way you will fit right in.

Noddy

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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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> Ah yes, last resort "Hiclone"!

Just reminding you of your own mechincal "limitations" there Ronny :)

> FYI I did not buy and never have bought a "Hiclone"....
> FFS get it right!

Whatever the fuck it was called. A "hyclone" type device as I said. A rose
by another name in fact......

> This group should be called aus.bogan.cars
> That way you will fit right in.

Sadly your membership application would be declined if it were, as you'd
need to evolve 14 steps up the munt ladder to qualify as one :)

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Noddy.


GrassyNoel

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On Aug 16, 5:09 pm, Ron <dodo@hotmail> wrote:

> Think before you post.
> You may surprise yourself..

You first.

Ron

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"Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in
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As I said, you are not the brightest tool in the shed.
You have the 14 steps in the wrong direction, but then bogans are like
that!

Clocky

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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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Only a halfsmart would buy a Hi-clone like device *and* claim it works.

Anything you say after that is completely irrelevant, you have already
branded yourself a moron.


Noddy

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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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> As I said, you are not the brightest tool in the shed.
> You have the 14 steps in the wrong direction, but then bogans are like
> that!

Sure Ron....

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RogerM

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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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FFAAAARRRKK me! Pot kettle black.

Roger

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Daryl Walford

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Athol wrote:
> Ron <dodo@hotmail> wrote:
>
>> Dellow makes a conversion kit for a CillyCar gear box onto a XJ6 and V12
>> motor. It could best be discribed as "Crude engineering".
>
> I'd call that stupid, myself. The Celica gearboxes are suitable for small,
> light applications like normally aspirated holden 6 engines in old holdens
> and toranas. Bigger, heavier vehicles and higher torque outputs would be
> well beyond the capacity of the celica boxes. You'd have to go to supra
> instead at least. The bolt pattern on the front of the two is totally
> different...
>
Some Celicas, eg the 1983 RA60 had a W57 Supra type gearbox as standard
which is a much stronger gearbox than the T50 you are probably thinking of.


Daryl

Ron

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Daryl Walford <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in
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Sorry guys it was SUPRA!
I'm not "up" on Jap cars :-)

gwje...@gmail.com

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The W57 / 58 & 59 box are as strong as , and handle 350 hp no worries , ive used them behind a few V8s . Its a real pity about the negative posts by morons on this thread . Although im 6 years late i still find it funny the quote "I'm not up on jap cars " as pretty much fact to others that have posted here too . There aint any car makers of any span of history that haven't made their share of mistakes be it Holden Ford or the Jap makers etc Having said that , there are some models that shine as gems and others that are worth steering away from . After 43 years in the industry ive worked on , driven and owned my share of vehicles from the humble Mini to International and New Holland harvesters . And have yet to find the perfect car , the fact you have one keeps at least one hand diving into at least one pocket. As far as posts some are not reaching for coin when it comes to hands in pockets

dbr

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W57 gearboxes would not cope with my 253 in a loaded wb work ute. They
may cope with a lighter car with no traction but when working hard they
kill the counter shaft bearing in the center plate. Ended up with a
beefed up auto and extra large cooler.
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