How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
Paul
Having a bit of a flame war in another newsgroup over how quick a Prelude
VTi-R is. I say it is a mid-seven second car at best, but they (Americans)
are claiming 6.5s!!! I refuse to believe that. I can't believe that
ANYTHING with less than 200bhp and FWD can get to 100km/h in anything under
7s. So, I thought I'd appeal to the bright lot in aus.cars to give me their
advice/experience to pummel them with :o)
I've done all the usual stuff, compared a Prelude to cars that will do mid
sixes and better (WRX/Cosworths/etc) and compared the Prelude to similar
powered cars (Nissan 200SX/GSR Turbo), but it's like banging my head against
a brick wall. They can't be right, can they?!! I know I'm arguing with
yanks and they may have a *slightly* different set-up to us, but not enough
to account for a second? I mean, with all the pollution control gear they
have to have over there, I thought the car would be slower!
Cheers
Paul
Matt Cremer
<7irj0o$hfv$1...@demeter.omen.net.au>...
> Hi all
>
> Having a bit of a flame war in another newsgroup over how quick a Prelude
> VTi-R is. I say it is a mid-seven second car at best, but they
(Americans)
> are claiming 6.5s!!! I refuse to believe that. I can't believe that
> ANYTHING with less than 200bhp and FWD can get to 100km/h in anything
under
> 7s. So, I thought I'd appeal to the bright lot in aus.cars to give me
their
> advice/experience to pummel them with :o)
They'd be using quoted times from their magazines; those times seem to be
more optimistic than Motor used to be. They used to say a Maxima did
similar 0-60mph times, for example ... silly!!
-Forg (Elsewhere)
Andrew
that 6.5 'could' be achieved. But anything in the low 7 secs for 0-100km/h would
be more of an indication of the car's performance. It also depends a lot on the
amount of fuel you have on board. Think about it, 2.2l isn't exactly a large
engine so every bit of weight counts for something (the car already is 1300kg!).
I'm sure you could hit very close 7s flat with a very low tank. Motor used half
tank and an extra passenger and got 7.9s 0-100km/h. Of course there are also
factors such as temperature (engine and air temp), how grippy the road is, how
good the tires are, and the pressures in those tires!!!! there would be a big
difference in the amount of wheelspin with the same launch if you used 38psi or
28psi!!! Also 0-60mph (what America uses) is not the same as 0-100km/h. I think
0-62mph. is the equivalent. And that 'could' mean an extra gear change.
Also, maybe Left Hand Drive cars are faster than Right Hand Drive?!?! After
all, the gearshift on LHD is on the 'natural' side?!?!?! Just food for thought
:-)
Paul wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Having a bit of a flame war in another newsgroup over how quick a Prelude
> VTi-R is. I say it is a mid-seven second car at best, but they (Americans)
> are claiming 6.5s!!! I refuse to believe that. I can't believe that
> ANYTHING with less than 200bhp and FWD can get to 100km/h in anything under
> 7s. So, I thought I'd appeal to the bright lot in aus.cars to give me their
> advice/experience to pummel them with :o)
>
> I've done all the usual stuff, compared a Prelude to cars that will do mid
> sixes and better (WRX/Cosworths/etc) and compared the Prelude to similar
> powered cars (Nissan 200SX/GSR Turbo), but it's like banging my head against
> a brick wall. They can't be right, can they?!! I know I'm arguing with
> yanks and they may have a *slightly* different set-up to us, but not enough
> to account for a second? I mean, with all the pollution control gear they
> have to have over there, I thought the car would be slower!
>
> Cheers
> Paul
--
Andrew Lew
ab...@ains.net.au
Armed with VTEC! http://www.ains.net.au/~ablew
Richard Fay
American mags had the 0-60mph time for a manual Maxima at 6.9seconds !!!
Remember that 0-60mph is only 0-96km/h. Add up to 0.5 seconds for the
extra 4km/h
Richard
Dion Mikkelsen
wrote, with the use of a cucumber dipped in blackberry sauce:
>If Austrlaia got a Manual maxima, I would give it about a 0-100 time of just over
>7.5 seconds
>
>I can run 8.3-8.5 seconds in our auto version, and that engine has so much more
>potential with a closer ration gearbox.
>The change into 2nd absolutely saps the engine, until the revs get up a bit.
>
>Upon thinking about it, low 7's might be achievable.
Yep. A guy I know here in Oz timed his manual Maxima to low 7's I
think.
--
Dion! -=DUH#12=- (Y1)
"If you chip your newsreader, you'll get a 10% increase in flaming."
Barnett
There quite heavy (maby 1300 kgs) and have hardly any torque. I aways though
they were closer to 8's than 7 's or 6's
.
Max Speed 222KM/H
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Best Regards,
Carson
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Paul <sie...@NOSPAMomen.net.au> wrote in message
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Robert Hudson
it, goes damned quick - better power/weight ratio and I'd suggest quicker
than a similar Prelude.
The Prelude is based on the Accord, at least the model originally was, and
so is a much bigger, heavier car.
The VTi-R is a nice car, but it's too heavy for it's engine to be really
quick.
And yes, I've driven one - for around 6 months I had one as my main mode of
transport. I wish I didn't have to part with it, it was a very nice car,
but unfortunately my Uncle came back from overseas and the selfish bastard
wanted his car back :P
. wrote in message ...
Geoff
> quick.
It's not REALLY quick, but it's pretty darn fast driving it around suburban
roads. Dad's got one, he wasn't even pushing it all that hard and it was going
too fast. He complains that redline in second is already way over the speed
limit so he can't really let the car stretch its legs...
But it does handle very well for a FWD car. It's hard to pick the difference
unless you do something crazy like throttle-wheelspin it going around a curve
(in which case the "understeer like a barge" reaction is only to be expected!!).
Geoff
Andrew
cars, but for a non-turbo 4 cyclinder car, it's bloody better than most!!
Geoff wrote:
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Matt Cremer
<yzu43.47$Ta1...@nswpull.telstra.net>...
> That's a Civic, which is a smaller, lighter car, with the V-TEC engine in
> it, goes damned quick - better power/weight ratio and I'd suggest quicker
> than a similar Prelude.
Nope; standard the Prelude is much, much faster than the Civic, so
in theory the Prelude should get even faster again if you modify it as
much as a mid-6-second Civic has been modified.
-Forg (Elsewhere)
Robert Hudson
I really thought the VTiR Civic would be quicker than the VTiR Prelude -
maybe it just feels faster, being a smaller car (impression of speed rather
than actual performance)
Matt Cremer wrote in message <01beabae$012e8e00$27154c89@mattpc2>...
Andrew
Robert Hudson wrote:
> That genuinely surprises me....
>
> I really thought the VTiR Civic would be quicker than the VTiR Prelude -
> maybe it just feels faster, being a smaller car (impression of speed rather
> than actual performance)
>
--
Robert Hudson
Andrew wrote in message <3753E14B...@ains.net.au>...
Matt Cremer
>That genuinely surprises me....
>
>I really thought the VTiR Civic would be quicker than the VTiR Prelude -
>maybe it just feels faster, being a smaller car (impression of speed rather
>than actual performance)
Uh-huh. Closer to the ground, noisier, and probably more responsive to
steering inputs making it feel "dartier" (or something like that)
-Forg (Elsewhere)
Craig
Ahhh, I see, so that's why my Suzuki is so fast :-)
Craig.
Paul
accelerate. From what I have read, a Lotus Elise has electrifying
acceleration. But a Jaguar XJ220, which is twice as quick, isn't
electrifying, but they say the "g-forces just keep on coming and coming".
Just my thoughts!
Cheers
Paul
Matt Cremer wrote in message <7j1ksc$k7h$1...@merki.connect.com.au>...
>Robert Hudson wrote in message ...
>>That genuinely surprises me....
>>
>>I really thought the VTiR Civic would be quicker than the VTiR Prelude -
>>maybe it just feels faster, being a smaller car (impression of speed
rather
>>than actual performance)
>...
>
>Uh-huh. Closer to the ground, noisier, and probably more responsive to
>steering inputs making it feel "dartier" (or something like that)
>
>
>-Forg (Elsewhere)
>
>
Dion Mikkelsen
wrote, with the use of a cucumber dipped in blackberry sauce:
>Is that standard or modified.
Ummm ... mostly standard ... prolly just exhaust/air filter.
>I understood the Maxima only came out in Auto form (new models anyway?) Is that the
>old shape Maxima?
Hmmm, no his is def a manual. Previous model.
Kon Kabilafkas
>ve?!?! After
>all, the gearshift on LHD is on the 'natural' side?!?!?! Just food for th=
>ought
I don't think that helps the yanks any. I read all the time how
Americans get improved shifters to overcome the awkward (to them) 2-3
shift. When you think about it, doesn't it feel more natural to cup
the shifter with the palm of your hand and pull it closer towards you
rather than push it away? It does for me at least.
Kon Kabilafkas
ana...@morgan.net.au
Benjamin Marsh
: There are some cars which feel, I dunno, "electrifying" when they
: accelerate. From what I have read, a Lotus Elise has electrifying
: acceleration. But a Jaguar XJ220, which is twice as quick, isn't
: electrifying, but they say the "g-forces just keep on coming and coming".
: Just my thoughts!
:
: Cheers
: Paul
I agree with you... A mate has a 1.6 swift and I have raced him in my RX
they are VERY evenly matched for outright acceleration, yet he has driven
my car and I his, my car feels way quicker to drive, I have put it down to
when the car boosts the torque comes on very quick rather than just
winding out like the swift, oh yeah - the rx kills the swift on the
highway just in handling
Ben
:
: Matt Cremer wrote in message <7j1ksc$k7h$1...@merki.connect.com.au>...
: >
: >
:
:
Full Name
you are an absolute fool..... You obviously know NOTHING about Honda's. A Civic
VTi-R is approx. 0.1 sec slower 0-100Klm/h than a Prelude VTi-R... I owna CIVIC
VTi-R witha couple of Mods, and can leave an EL XR8 behind me all the way up to
140Klms/h EASILY!!
Tim Kaye
?
I owned an XF Fairmont Ghia (3 Sp auto) 2 1/4 exhaust HM headers and
could keep up with a an integra VTi-R.
A prelude vtir atts is rated at 0-100 by motor at 8.53 secs.
I would doubt the prelude had more pullingm power after 100 clicks
Forg
>
> Forg,
>
> you are an absolute fool..... You obviously know NOTHING about Honda's. A Civic
> VTi-R is approx. 0.1 sec slower 0-100Klm/h than a Prelude VTi-R... I owna CIVIC
> VTi-R witha couple of Mods, and can leave an EL XR8 behind me all the way up to
> 140Klms/h EASILY!!
Uh-huh.
"My car's faster than yours!!"
I know how well a 2 litre Pulsar goes, and I know how close to one of
those a Civic VTi-R is.
And on another note, if I go and put 20psi of boost through the 460ci
big-block I've just theoretically transplanted into my Volvo, does that
mean all 240-series Volvos are quicker than stock Falcodores?
--
Forg! -DUH#6=- (Y1)
"Flamin' heck; another Volvo Driver!"
"...
Another Turnip Boy;
A Forg stuck in the road
..."
[Greenday]
JohnO
and
I would agree with estimates of 8.xx seconds. However it is suprisingly
brisk
at say... 40-80kph or even 100-120kph.
It cruises very nicely once it gets going..Likes to rev hard and seems to
find a
'second wind' out on the highway. Came VERY close to getting one. Never
had
the pleasure of driving a VTI-R civic.
-JohnO
Tim Kaye wrote in message
<0F5712F5D47BD211950...@exchange.tristar.com.au>...
>I would like to know what the couple of mods are
>?
>
>I owned an XF Fairmont Ghia (3 Sp auto) 2 1/4 exhaust HM headers and
>could keep up with a an integra VTi-R.
>
>A prelude vtir atts is rated at 0-100 by motor at 8.53 secs.
>I would doubt the prelude had more pullingm power after 100 clicks
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Full Name [SMTP:user...@deakin.edu.au]
>> Posted At: Monday, June 21, 1999 1:31 PM
>> Posted To: cars
>> Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
>> Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
>>
>> Forg,
>>
>> you are an absolute fool..... You obviously know NOTHING about
>> Honda's. A Civic
>> VTi-R is approx. 0.1 sec slower 0-100Klm/h than a Prelude VTi-R... I
>> owna CIVIC
>> VTi-R witha couple of Mods, and can leave an EL XR8 behind me all the
>> way up to
>> 140Klms/h EASILY!!
>>
>>
Kieren
have you ever actually driven aVtec engine before? no pulling power after
100 kph? These are very unusual comments esp. regarding the prelude.
Tim Kaye <tim....@intellimark-it.com.au> wrote in message
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TheTaipan
and S pack, and although the VTiR had been modified with exhaust and
suspension, it really did not feel as quick as the XR at all and maybe just
slightly quicker that the Spak.
Still the Integra had both through the corners for sure, but that is its
forte...
SL
Tim Kaye <tim....@intellimark-it.com.au> wrote in message
news:0F5712F5D47BD211950...@exchange.tristar.com.au...
> I would like to know what the couple of mods are
> ?
>
> I owned an XF Fairmont Ghia (3 Sp auto) 2 1/4 exhaust HM headers and
> could keep up with a an integra VTi-R.
>
> A prelude vtir atts is rated at 0-100 by motor at 8.53 secs.
> I would doubt the prelude had more pullingm power after 100 clicks
>
>
>
Alwin Chi Ho NGAI
>Forg,
>you are an absolute fool..... You obviously know NOTHING about Honda's. A Civic
>VTi-R is approx. 0.1 sec slower 0-100Klm/h than a Prelude VTi-R... I owna CIVIC
>VTi-R witha couple of Mods, and can leave an EL XR8 behind me all the way up to
>140Klms/h EASILY!!
>Matt Cremer wrote:
>> Robert Hudson <man...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
>> <yzu43.47$Ta1...@nswpull.telstra.net>...
>> > That's a Civic, which is a smaller, lighter car, with the V-TEC engine in
>> > it, goes damned quick - better power/weight ratio and I'd suggest quicker
>> > than a similar Prelude.
>> ...
>>
>> Nope; standard the Prelude is much, much faster than the Civic, so
>> in theory the Prelude should get even faster again if you modify it as
>> much as a mid-6-second Civic has been modified.
>>
>> -Forg (Elsewhere)
Wheels had 8.7s for the Civic and 8.2 for Prelude
Motor had 8.66s (Civic) and 8.53 (Prelude)
I don't know, but the Prelude seems a bit faster to me. The XR8 can pull
0-100m in 7.8s (from both Wheels and Motor) BTW, you sure your Civic is
faster?
Alwin
---
Alwin Ngai (4th Year BSc/LLB)
University of Melbourne
ChrisG
>
>Wheels had 8.7s for the Civic and 8.2 for Prelude
>Motor had 8.66s (Civic) and 8.53 (Prelude)
>
>I don't know, but the Prelude seems a bit faster to me. The XR8 can pull
>0-100m in 7.8s (from both Wheels and Motor) BTW, you sure your Civic is
>faster?
He said he had MODS ;) He modified his purchase for a Civic and bought a
faster car.
Chris
Tim Kaye
that a V8 would pull a little harder, seen as it has a shitload more
torque at lower revs. I might not be familar withe specs of VTiR
prelude. But specs from motor claim it has 143KW at 7000 RPm, XR8 185
at 5000. Torque wise its 212 Nm@5250 compared to 412NM @3500.
The XR8 has a better power to weight ratio. Simply stating that i have
driven an XR8 (185) and find it hard to believe that the prelude pulls
harder , but then i am not saying it isn't possible. Have your driven
an XR8?
And if your querying my comments in regards to the XF Vs a Integra VTir
i was shocked, i thiught the little asian guy might kick my ass, but he
didn't
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kieren [SMTP:kie...@ozemail.com.au]
> Posted At: Monday, June 21, 1999 10:54 PM
> Posted To: cars
> Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
>
> Huh!??
> have you ever actually driven aVtec engine before? no pulling power
> after
> 100 kph? These are very unusual comments esp. regarding the prelude.
Chris Ahern
> > ANYTHING with less than 200bhp and FWD can get to 100km/h in anything under
> > 7s.
Question: how does FWD affect 0-100 time? Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't
touch a FWD car with a barge pole, but as I see it, FWD shouldn't be a
hindrance in straight line speed if the car is set up okay. I could even
see merit in an argument that FWD would reduce drivetrain loss (I don't
know if that's the case or not).
FWD sucks because of the cornering characteristics, but I don't see any
reason it should affect acceleration much.
Chris
Full Name
My CIVIC VTi-R has a K& N stock replacement filter, I put champion GOLD sparkies and
removed the resonator box from the air intake. All I know is that at about 2am last
Monday, I was on my way home when a P Plater in an EL XR8 was playing around like a
fool on the road. When we hit a red light, he gave me the nod, I dropped the clutch
from about 4500 rpms, took off, in first gear, I got half a car on him, and all the
way through second and third to 140klms/h he couldn't gain that half a car length.
He was still back at the rear of my front door........ boy was he cut! ;)
As a general rule, my civic's amazing performance is dependant on how cold the air
outside is. On a warm day, it is a different car. That doesn't change the fact that
at the right time, it can do some crazy shit!.... Also, a VTEC engine, is an
absolute rocket, assuming you can keep the lift up on the cams... If you KNOW how to
drive the car, you can keep them up all the way to fourth gear... and then you see
REAL performance from a REAL 1.6l..... NA 4cyl. engine.
Alwin Chi Ho NGAI wrote:
> Full Name <user...@deakin.edu.au> writes:
>
> >Forg,
>
> >you are an absolute fool..... You obviously know NOTHING about Honda's. A Civic
> >VTi-R is approx. 0.1 sec slower 0-100Klm/h than a Prelude VTi-R... I owna CIVIC
> >VTi-R witha couple of Mods, and can leave an EL XR8 behind me all the way up to
> >140Klms/h EASILY!!
>
> >Matt Cremer wrote:
>
> >> Robert Hudson <man...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
> >> <yzu43.47$Ta1...@nswpull.telstra.net>...
> >> > That's a Civic, which is a smaller, lighter car, with the V-TEC engine in
> >> > it, goes damned quick - better power/weight ratio and I'd suggest quicker
> >> > than a similar Prelude.
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Nope; standard the Prelude is much, much faster than the Civic, so
> >> in theory the Prelude should get even faster again if you modify it as
> >> much as a mid-6-second Civic has been modified.
> >>
> >> -Forg (Elsewhere)
>
> Wheels had 8.7s for the Civic and 8.2 for Prelude
> Motor had 8.66s (Civic) and 8.53 (Prelude)
>
> I don't know, but the Prelude seems a bit faster to me. The XR8 can pull
> 0-100m in 7.8s (from both Wheels and Motor) BTW, you sure your Civic is
> faster?
>
Adam
I am sure a P-Plater would be really capable of extracting the best from the
XR8, aye?
A
Full Name wrote in message <37716EC0...@deakin.edu.au>...
Tim Kaye
I don't think a P Plater would have to much trouble un leahing decent
power from and XR8.
It ain't fucken hard, althougt i did have a drag at 9pm with a P plater
in a new MX-5 who totally botched the job
That was funny
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam [SMTP:replyt...@clear.net.nzz]
> Posted At: Thursday, June 24, 1999 9:48 AM
> Posted To: cars
> Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
>
Andrew
'noticeably' better with a lower fuel tank. With the torque of those V8's,
weight wouldn't do as much to the performance of the car. So if you have both
cars on a low tank, I'm sure the acceleration figures would fancy the VTECs
much more. You also have to consider that the 'hi cams' are virtually racing
cams, full blown power optimised!! Add to that the superior aerodynamics of
the prelude (compared to your V8) which will affect performance at higher
speeds and I don't see how you could justify that the prelude won't have much
pulling power after 100!!!
I've dragged my friend in a VS HSV 215 Senator (with a fair few mods) a
fair few times and at high speed, we're pretty much even, even though his
0-100 time is a whole 1 second faster than what I've attained.
Kieren wrote:
> Huh!??
> have you ever actually driven aVtec engine before? no pulling power after
> 100 kph? These are very unusual comments esp. regarding the prelude.
> Tim Kaye <tim....@intellimark-it.com.au> wrote in message
> news:0F5712F5D47BD211950...@exchange.tristar.com.au...
> > I would like to know what the couple of mods are
> > ?
> >
> > I owned an XF Fairmont Ghia (3 Sp auto) 2 1/4 exhaust HM headers and
> > could keep up with a an integra VTi-R.
> >
> > A prelude vtir atts is rated at 0-100 by motor at 8.53 secs.
> > I would doubt the prelude had more pullingm power after 100 clicks
> >
--
Tim Kaye
is any better.
It amazes me that your car performs better with a lower fuel tank.
You mkust have your hand on it it regards to dragging a 215 HSV.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew [SMTP:ab...@ains.net.au]
> Posted At: Thursday, June 24, 1999 3:35 PM
> Posted To: cars
> Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
>
Richard Fay
>
> I would argue that the cd of the prelude compared to a VB(which one???)
> is any better.
>
But the CdA (cd x frontal area) would be alot better for the Prelude .
Richard
Timothy Kaye
What exactly is the measure for frontal area? WHats the cd of a prelude?
Overall the cd is what is needed, not just cdA.
Timothy Kaye
no question of this, and when your driving at 100kmh and put your foot down
to increase speed, it is torque that gets the car to a higher rate of speed
more quickly. Aerodymamics and the less fuel in your fuel tank CANNOT
overcome a deficiency in torque. And four cylinder cars do not come
anywhere near the torque figures a V8 produce, add into the fact that four
cylinder cars develop peak power and torque at much higer revs, thus
diminishing the ability of any such 4cyl to accelerate more quickly than a
V8 at speeds of and above 100kmh. Get your hand off it.
Tim Kaye wrote:
> I would argue that the cd of the prelude compared to a VB(which one???)
> is any better.
>
Peter McMillan
>Frontal, woopy dooo. Its not just a matter of having a smoother front.
>What exactly is the measure for frontal area? WHats the cd of a prelude?
>Overall the cd is what is needed, not just cdA.
Wow ... it's not often someone gets to be so completely wrong. It IS
the CdA tha's relevant, not the Cd on it's own.
Peter! -=DUH#14=- (Y1)
"What does this button do? Oops .... flames. RUN!!"
To email me, change .com in my address to .au
Andrew
aerodynamics than a prelude?!?!?!? okok then I guess following your logic a BUS
would have better aerodynamics than a V8 sedan!!!!! shit, and you keep telling
me to take my hand off it!!!!! Have you EVER wondered why Indy, F1, GT, and any
other formula racing cars are so flat?!??! I always thought it was because it
makes the car cut through the air at high speeds with much reduced resistance.
Looks like you have an argument to prove me wrong! You must know some kinda
physics that I haven't heard of!!
I find it impossible that someone can argue that a BIG (though practical)
Australian family sedan could have better aerodynamics than a (flattER)
Prelude!!!!!!!! It's like comparing a truck to a bullet!!
Timothy Kaye wrote:
> Frontal, woopy dooo. Its not just a matter of having a smoother front.
>
> What exactly is the measure for frontal area? WHats the cd of a prelude?
>
> Overall the cd is what is needed, not just cdA.
>
--
Andrew
(especially VTECs). Sure I won't be kicking my friend's HSV, but I won't be
as far behind him as you're so sure I'll be. You argue that the V8's have
massive torque advantages, well yes they do and it helps them way down low
in the rev range, but a lot of that advantage is taken up by weight. But at
high speeds, we're talking about top end power, and I can assure you VTECs
don't lack power up there. If both stepped on it in top gear at 100km/h, of
course the V8 would have a huge advantage with that torque, but if both
dropped a gear or two, your invincible V8 wouldn't be nearly as supreme as
you so arrogantly think. And like I said, the extra kW's those huge and
comparativley inefficient V8's produce will be eaten up by poorer
aerodynamics at high speeds.
As for weight, the smaller the engine, the more effect weight will have
on performance. that's a fact. I won't even have to argue something that
logical. And I was actually referring to those 'weak' figures shown in Motor
which use half tank and two people in the car for ALL cars tested, whether
5.7 HSV or 1.3litre Toyota Starlet.
Yes I have dragged my friends HSV 215 Senator quite a few times so I
know for a fact what happens (low speed and high). Even my friend WITH the
HSV is more open minded than you, as he can readily admit the VTECs are
definitely not weak. Especially after a few comparative 'runs'.
Why don't YOU get your hand off it and help start create some
constructive discussion.
Tim Kaye wrote:
> I would argue that the cd of the prelude compared to a VB(which one???)
> is any better.
>
> It amazes me that your car performs better with a lower fuel tank.
> You mkust have your hand on it it regards to dragging a 215 HSV.
--
Richard Fay
>
> Frontal, woopy dooo. Its not just a matter of having a smoother front.
>
> What exactly is the measure for frontal area? WHats the cd of a prelude?
>
> Overall the cd is what is needed, not just cdA.
You silly fool.
The CdA is made up of both the Cd and the frontal area of the car.
Richard
Tim Kaye
what(awesome) power of the fours and theVTEC's you seem to think the
V8's(possibly all) are not aerodynamic. The aerodynamics of most
Australian V8's be it Holden or Ford have cd's just as good if not
better than these little pocket rockets.
You can also argue that you have top end power, but how useable is it?
The little fours need to drop a gear or two so they can get the power
they have rightfully(wrongfully) put so high. Whats the point of having
your max power output at or around redline? While you guys are dropping
gears the V8's and even sixes are pulling away, leaving you at a major
disadvantage.
Whats weak about motors figures? The fact that every test they do, the
car is loaded with two people and half a tank gives some consistency.
Rather than getting a wild result when the car has two litres of fuel
left and the drive weighs less than teddy bear.
I would have thought that this was constructive discussion
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew [SMTP:ab...@ains.net.au]
> Posted At: Friday, June 25, 1999 2:11 AM
> Posted To: cars
> Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
>
Tim Kaye
Just because a car looks flatter doesn't mean it has better
aerodynamics. Youv'e been watching tv too much, maybe you should see on
for real, than aren't just flat they are curved and carved.
My logic doesn't say that bus is better than a V8. Your just being
radically stupid. Being a family car doesn't instantly apply shit
aerodynamics.
I am simply saying that the modern family car be it V8 or straight 6 or
V6 doens't lend itself to being out of shape.
You just think that a small prelude is always goiing to be more
slippery.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew [SMTP:ab...@ains.net.au]
> Posted At: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:45 AM
> Posted To: cars
> Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
>
> Holy shit, so I take it you believe a V8 family sedan has better
> aerodynamics than a prelude?!?!?!? okok then I guess following your
> logic a BUS
> would have better aerodynamics than a V8 sedan!!!!! shit, and you keep
> telling
> me to take my hand off it!!!!! Have you EVER wondered why Indy, F1,
> GT, and any
> other formula racing cars are so flat?!??! I always thought it was
> because it
> makes the car cut through the air at high speeds with much reduced
> resistance.
> Looks like you have an argument to prove me wrong! You must know some
> kinda
> physics that I haven't heard of!!
>
> I find it impossible that someone can argue that a BIG (though
> practical)
> Australian family sedan could have better aerodynamics than a
> (flattER)
> Prelude!!!!!!!! It's like comparing a truck to a bullet!!
>
> Timothy Kaye wrote:
>
> > Frontal, woopy dooo. Its not just a matter of having a smoother
> front.
> >
> > What exactly is the measure for frontal area? WHats the cd of a
> prelude?
> >
> > Overall the cd is what is needed, not just cdA.
> >
>
Tim Kaye
sorry i ain't an engineer.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Fay [SMTP:fa...@ozemail.com.au]
> Posted At: Saturday, June 26, 1999 12:24 AM
> Posted To: cars
> Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
>
> Timothy Kaye wrote:
> >
> > Frontal, woopy dooo. Its not just a matter of having a smoother
> front.
> >
> > What exactly is the measure for frontal area? WHats the cd of a
> prelude?
> >
> > Overall the cd is what is needed, not just cdA.
>
Mark Hammond
>sorry i ain't an engineer.
>
Thats OK - no one will get upset unless you start to argue like one (ie,
know what you dont know - dont let someone else point it out!)
Andrew
Maybe you need to SEE things in REAL LIFE before you will admit something in
YOUR LOGIC is a bit outta place. I'm sure most people on this newsgroup will
know just from COMMON SENSE that a prelude is 'just a weeny bit' more
aerodynamic than most family sedans.
Tim Kaye wrote:
> G
>
> Just because a car looks flatter doesn't mean it has better
> aerodynamics. Youv'e been watching tv too much, maybe you should see on
> for real, than aren't just flat they are curved and carved.
>
> My logic doesn't say that bus is better than a V8. Your just being
> radically stupid. Being a family car doesn't instantly apply shit
> aerodynamics.
>
> I am simply saying that the modern family car be it V8 or straight 6 or
> V6 doens't lend itself to being out of shape.
>
> You just think that a small prelude is always goiing to be more
> slippery.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew [SMTP:ab...@ains.net.au]
> > Posted At: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:45 AM
> > Posted To: cars
> > Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> > Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> >
> > Holy shit, so I take it you believe a V8 family sedan has better
> > aerodynamics than a prelude?!?!?!? okok then I guess following your
> > logic a BUS
> > would have better aerodynamics than a V8 sedan!!!!! shit, and you keep
> > telling
> > me to take my hand off it!!!!! Have you EVER wondered why Indy, F1,
> > GT, and any
> > other formula racing cars are so flat?!??! I always thought it was
> > because it
> > makes the car cut through the air at high speeds with much reduced
> > resistance.
> > Looks like you have an argument to prove me wrong! You must know some
> > kinda
> > physics that I haven't heard of!!
> >
> > I find it impossible that someone can argue that a BIG (though
> > practical)
> > Australian family sedan could have better aerodynamics than a
> > (flattER)
> > Prelude!!!!!!!! It's like comparing a truck to a bullet!!
> >
> > Timothy Kaye wrote:
> >
> > > Frontal, woopy dooo. Its not just a matter of having a smoother
> > front.
> > >
> > > What exactly is the measure for frontal area? WHats the cd of a
> > prelude?
> > >
> > > Overall the cd is what is needed, not just cdA.
> > >
> >
Andrew
> And while your bitching about me going on and on not accepting the
> what(awesome) power of the fours and theVTEC's you seem to think the
> V8's(possibly all) are not aerodynamic. The aerodynamics of most
> Australian V8's be it Holden or Ford have cd's just as good if not
> better than these little pocket rockets.
Ummm, ok I find no point debating that. I'll let everyone reading this
decide that. :-)
For such a small engine, yes they are awesome. I'm just telling you they're
not as pathetically weak as you seem to believe.
> You can also argue that you have top end power, but how useable is it?
> The little fours need to drop a gear or two so they can get the power
> they have rightfully(wrongfully) put so high. Whats the point of having
> your max power output at or around redline? While you guys are dropping
> gears the V8's and even sixes are pulling away, leaving you at a major
> disadvantage.
If I'm NOT mistaken, I would've thought power would be produced at top
end. like near redline??? isn't that where max power is produced in your
V8???
> Whats weak about motors figures? The fact that every test they do, the
> car is loaded with two people and half a tank gives some consistency.
> Rather than getting a wild result when the car has two litres of fuel
> left and the drive weighs less than teddy bear.
I'm saying they're weak figures because having half a tank and a
passenger in the car is effectively giving more weight than just a driver
and more than a full tank. Now how often would you be dragging (which is
0-100 by the way) with a FULL TANK?!?!??? It's weak because it doesn't
necessarily give the full picture of REAL LIFE SITUATIONS, something I can't
help but think you lack.
> I would have thought that this was constructive discussion
difference of opinions.
Andrew
Tim Kaye wrote:
> Excuse me ....
> sorry i ain't an engineer.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Fay [SMTP:fa...@ozemail.com.au]
> > Posted At: Saturday, June 26, 1999 12:24 AM
> > Posted To: cars
> > Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> > Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> >
> > Timothy Kaye wrote:
> > >
> > > Frontal, woopy dooo. Its not just a matter of having a smoother
> > front.
> > >
> > > What exactly is the measure for frontal area? WHats the cd of a
> > prelude?
> > >
> > > Overall the cd is what is needed, not just cdA.
> >
> > You silly fool.
> >
> > The CdA is made up of both the Cd and the frontal area of the car.
> >
> > Richard
--
Tim Kaye
Peak power is developed up at redline, i should ahve mentioed that in
your vtec torque is also pushed up the dial, unlike most V8's
I lack realife situations. You think i lack! Well what you think and
know are two differents things.
You'll let evryone reading decide on that point, which says you still
think the aero's of a family sedan are not better than the average semi
trailer. A very biased and uneducated opinion., which is how you view
my real life situation, in terms of dragging.
I know what i have dragged and what my car can do, so do you in respect
to what your car can do.
By the way i hope you don't drive with those little lights on all the
time. And whats the 22 on your plates?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew [SMTP:ab...@ains.net.au]
> Posted At: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:25 PM
> Posted To: cars
> Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
>
Tim Kaye
I am only human, i choose to know certian things others i don't, some
things i know pieces of. Most mags/articles give a cd, i have never
seen a cda
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew [SMTP:ab...@ains.net.au]
> Posted At: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:26 PM
> Posted To: cars
> Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
>
> meaning???
>
> Tim Kaye wrote:
>
> > Excuse me ....
> > sorry i ain't an engineer.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard Fay [SMTP:fa...@ozemail.com.au]
> > > Posted At: Saturday, June 26, 1999 12:24 AM
> > > Posted To: cars
> > > Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> > > Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> > >
> > > Timothy Kaye wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Frontal, woopy dooo. Its not just a matter of having a smoother
> > > front.
> > > >
> > > > What exactly is the measure for frontal area? WHats the cd of a
> > > prelude?
> > > >
> > > > Overall the cd is what is needed, not just cdA.
> > >
> > > You silly fool.
> > >
> > > The CdA is made up of both the Cd and the frontal area of the car.
> > >
> > > Richard
>
Andrew
> Awesome it may be in your eyes.
>
> Peak power is developed up at redline, i should ahve mentioed that in
> your vtec torque is also pushed up the dial, unlike most V8's
>
> I lack realife situations. You think i lack! Well what you think and
> know are two differents things.
>
> You'll let evryone reading decide on that point, which says you still
> think the aero's of a family sedan are not better than the average semi
> trailer. A very biased and uneducated opinion., which is how you view
> my real life situation, in terms of dragging.
Think there is a bit of misunderstanding here. The Prelude is lower,
flatter and would definitely encounter much less air resistance at high
speeds than your everyday family sedan. I think everyone here understands
that. It's aerodynamics, that's all I'm saying. If you still think your V8
has better aerodynamics than a prelude, that's fine by me. But that's just
the opposite extreme to what I would've thought.
> I know what i have dragged and what my car can do, so do you in respect
> to what your car can do.
I'm sure you do. The point is you've criticised me and implied that I
was completely bullshitting when I said I've kept up with my friends HSV
Senator at high speed. You can say I'm bullshitting, you have every right
to, but have you SEEN that particular situation for real?? 'THAT' was the
real life situation I was referring to.
> By the way i hope you don't drive with those little lights on all the
> time. And whats the 22 on your plates?
What has that got anything to do with what we're talking about??? Or are you
just implying 'how low you can go'??
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew [SMTP:ab...@ains.net.au]
> > Posted At: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:25 PM
> > Posted To: cars
> > Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> > Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> >
joneill
them
pull away from XR's and SS's and even keep up with WRX's, though from a
standing
start to 100kph the Prelude it beaten.
These are deinately cars to be respected as their highway / freeway
performance is
very respectable. They also corner very well, you could forget that they
were fwd.
Especially the VTI-R ATTS variant.
-JohnO
joneill
Ease off a little, my '98 200sx hammers v8 commodores and
Falcons both from a standing start and on the highway, and its motor is
15% smaller
than the Preludes! (2litres as opposed to 2.2 litres) I've even cleaned
out
Senators and XR8's and left them looking lame...but only when I'm in a
bad mood...
Most of the time I just trundle along at the speed limit in the left
lane...but you V8
bullies really get me mad.
You obviously haven't driven a Prelude/200sx/Wrx at 100kph and dropped
down
into 3rd and hammered it, trust me the V8's get nailed. I've driven big
beefy V8's
and they don't have the instant response....simple as that.
-JohnO
ChrisG
joneill wrote in message <7kvonj$ass$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>...
>Hi Tim,
>
> Ease off a little, my '98 200sx hammers v8 commodores and
> Falcons both from a standing start and on the highway, and its motor is
>15% smaller
> than the Preludes! (2litres as opposed to 2.2 litres) I've even cleaned
>out
> Senators and XR8's and left them looking lame...but only when I'm in a
>bad mood...
Your 200sx would beat the Preludes as well. Although the VTEC engine is
good, the turbo on your engine should crap on the Honda at mid-high revs.
> Most of the time I just trundle along at the speed limit in the left
>lane...but you V8
> bullies really get me mad.
>
> You obviously haven't driven a Prelude/200sx/Wrx at 100kph and dropped
>down
> into 3rd and hammered it, trust me the V8's get nailed. I've driven big
>beefy V8's
> and they don't have the instant response....simple as that.
The 200sx goes like a cut snake in 3rd :) I love 3rd in the Silvia... shame
they put those numbers on our roads - they seem to disagree with 3rd's
potential. :)
Chris
>
>-JohnO
>
>
>
>
>
joneill
I've been reading about the Sylvia.. Nice cars, deadly quick as well :)
Which One do you drive? I've seen some with cool looking six headlight
arrangement.
-JohnO
Forg
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Ease off a little, my '98 200sx hammers v8 commodores and
> Falcons both from a standing start and on the highway, and its motor is
> 15% smaller
> than the Preludes! (2litres as opposed to 2.2 litres)
You've got a hairdryer though; that makes your car more like an
equivalent of 3 litres (200SX is about 0.66 bar boost, isn't it? Deduct
low-compression power-loss etc. etc.)
--
Forg! -DUH#6=- (Y1)
"Flamin' heck; another Volvo Driver!"
"...
Another Turnip Boy;
A Forg stuck in the road
..."
[Greenday]
ChrisG
joneill wrote in message <7kvrtg$bk9$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>...
Yeah it's a 92 model, 2L turbo, with the six lights... well two of them are
the yellow foggies so they rarely get any use. Actually, the other night
the road had a low layer of fog and those yellow lights do actually have an
effect in fog!
Is that what you mean? The other four are divided into two for normal
lights, then two angled up for highbeam.
Chris
>
>-JohnO
>
>
Jason H
Chris Ahern <zzca...@uq.net.au> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.4.10.990624...@fox.uq.net.au...
> > > are claiming 6.5s!!! I refuse to believe that. I can't believe that
> > > ANYTHING with less than 200bhp and FWD can get to 100km/h in anything
under
> > > 7s.
>
> Question: how does FWD affect 0-100 time? Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't
> touch a FWD car with a barge pole, but as I see it, FWD shouldn't be a
> hindrance in straight line speed if the car is set up okay. I could even
> see merit in an argument that FWD would reduce drivetrain loss (I don't
> know if that's the case or not).
>
> FWD sucks because of the cornering characteristics, but I don't see any
> reason it should affect acceleration much.
>
> Chris
>
Who says current Prelude VTiR is faster than current Civic VTiR?
My friend owns Civic VTiR and his best timing for 0-100kmh is 7.4 secs
I don't think Prelude would fall in that time
Prelude VTiR is heavy and remember, Civic VTiR have high power output per
litre than Prelude even it is only 1.6L compared to 2.2L
-Altezza-
Andrew
end.
I've also taken on a stock 200SX once and even with my powerchip and
filter, I was getting walked over as soon as we shifted into 3rd. I had a good
launch and had a car length on him up till the end of 2nd, but in 3rd onwards
it was no match. Turbo's are really in a different league, and yeah I wouldn't
be suprised to see V8's left behind. Furthermore, V8's wouldn't stand the
slightest chance against a slightly modded turbo car.
joneill wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Ease off a little, my '98 200sx hammers v8 commodores and
> Falcons both from a standing start and on the highway, and its motor is
> 15% smaller
> than the Preludes! (2litres as opposed to 2.2 litres) I've even cleaned
> out
> Senators and XR8's and left them looking lame...but only when I'm in a
> bad mood...
>
> Most of the time I just trundle along at the speed limit in the left
> lane...but you V8
> bullies really get me mad.
>
> You obviously haven't driven a Prelude/200sx/Wrx at 100kph and dropped
> down
> into 3rd and hammered it, trust me the V8's get nailed. I've driven big
> beefy V8's
> and they don't have the instant response....simple as that.
>
> -JohnO
joneill
I read
some even had 4ws.
I got the mid range 200sx (the sports variant) which doesn't have spot
lights
on it.. Nissan want $2500 to fit the front spoiler and lights to it! They
say that both
the flood lights and the spoiler have to be installed together....
Hey, how often does the silvia need servicing?
-JohnO
joneill
Andrew
extra weight is taken care of by the extra 60Nm of torque. When my car was
stock, I got 0-100km/h in 7.1 (best time with a very low tank, and I think your
friend would be low tank as well). My friend's new Integra VTi-R constantly beat
my other friend's Civic VTi-R and his best 0-100km/h tmie was 7.3. Those times
were all using the GTECH Pro which we found to be very similar to Apexi
Speed/Rev meter.
Jason H wrote:
> Who says current Prelude VTiR is faster than current Civic VTiR?
> My friend owns Civic VTiR and his best timing for 0-100kmh is 7.4 secs
> I don't think Prelude would fall in that time
> Prelude VTiR is heavy and remember, Civic VTiR have high power output per
> litre than Prelude even it is only 1.6L compared to 2.2L
>
> -Altezza-
--
joneill
But the V8's do definately have a distinctive sound though :) The last
VT SS
Commodore that tried to drag me had a really mean growling noise...
Something
that the little turbo's don't have.
-JohnO
ChrisG
joneill wrote in message <7l1ard$k34$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>...
>Yep, that's the one. I've seen a few of them around too.. from a magazine
>I read
>some even had 4ws.
>
>I got the mid range 200sx (the sports variant) which doesn't have spot
>lights
>on it.. Nissan want $2500 to fit the front spoiler and lights to it! They
>say that both
>the flood lights and the spoiler have to be installed together....
>
>Hey, how often does the silvia need servicing?
Well I change the oil and filter every 5000kms. If you see that other
thread of mine, you'll notice that my last service might have ruined my
engine :( The oil filter wasn't secured properly and so it popped off and
the oil sprayed out. It ran for about 50 meters withut any oil :(
Chris
ChrisG
joneill wrote in message <7l1atq$k3o$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>...
>Sorry, I spelt Sylvia wrong.. no offence intended.. :)
Nope, you got it right the first time... it's Silvia.
Chris
>
>
Forg
...
> Who says current Prelude VTiR is faster than current Civic VTiR?
People who know what they're talking about.
...
> My friend owns Civic VTiR and his best timing for 0-100kmh is 7.4 secs
...
It's modified, or that was done with a very optimistic stopwatch. A
stock one has to be carefully driven to crack 9 seconds 0-100km/h.
...
> I don't think Prelude would fall in that time
...
Timed the same way, or modified as much, it'd do better.
...
> Prelude VTiR is heavy and remember, Civic VTiR have high power output per
> litre than Prelude even it is only 1.6L compared to 2.2L
...
These may be true; but power ber kilogram is more important!
Forg
...
> Furthermore, V8's wouldn't stand the
> slightest chance against a slightly modded turbo car.
Charade GTti versus VT-II Commode SS?
Be careful of your generalisations!!
Forg
...
> My friend's new Integra VTi-R constantly beat
> my other friend's Civic VTi-R and his best 0-100km/h tmie was 7.3. Those times
> were all using the GTECH Pro
Is it my imagination, or do those GTECH things give really fast times?
David Stephan
You are talking about the large electronic unit (bigger than a CB) that
mounts from the windscreen and not the little one (smaller than a pack of
cigarettes)?
Sorry if I have the wrong unit on my mind.
--
David Stephan
dste...@ozemail.com.au
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** sometimes I'm wrong (but only sometimes).
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Forg <fo...@zip.com.au> wrote in message news:37749815...@zip.com.au...
Robert Hudson
leave a nice slipperly line down the road.
I'd say almost impossible actually that you did your car any damage in that
short drive - so you can breathe a sigh of relief.
ChrisG wrote in message <3774...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>...
Richard Fay
> Who says current Prelude VTiR is faster than current Civic VTiR?
> litre than Prelude even it is only 1.6L compared to 2.2L
Current times from Car And Driver magazine (therefore no Aussie bias).
0-60mph 1/4 mile
Civic 160hp 7.6 sec 16.1 sec
Prelude 195hp 6.9sec 15.4 sec
The Prelude looks signficantly faster than the Civic to me.
Richard
Andrew
WRX, 200SX, Lancer GSR. Of course not cars like Audi 1.8T, Volvo 2.0T
etc etc. shoulda made it clear :-)
Forg wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> ...
> > Furthermore, V8's wouldn't stand the
> > slightest chance against a slightly modded turbo car.
> ...
>
> Charade GTti versus VT-II Commode SS?
>
> Be careful of your generalisations!!
>
> --
> Forg! -DUH#6=- (Y1)
>
> "Flamin' heck; another Volvo Driver!"
>
> "...
> Another Turnip Boy;
> A Forg stuck in the road
> ..."
> [Greenday]
--
Andrew
of fuel was 0-100km/h in 7.5 or thereabouts. Motor used half tank and an extra
passenger and got 7.97. My best with a very low fuel tank was 7.1 (Talking about b4
any mods).
Forg wrote:
> Is it my imagination, or do those GTECH things give really fast times?
>
Matthew McDonald
>
>Robert Hudson wrote in message ...
>>HIGHLY unlikely that driving that short distance did anything other than
>>leave a nice slipperly line down the road.
>>
>>I'd say almost impossible actually that you did your car any damage in that
>>short drive - so you can breathe a sigh of relief.
>
>
>*sigh*
>
>(of relief)
Still I'd get this documented somehow, perhaps see a solicitor and
have this mob of fools cover the car for any engine/turbo
damage/failure for say 100,000km.
Or you could demand that the engine/turbo are stripped by a
_REPUTABLE_ company and checked in full. I think this is the path that
I would be taking.
And next time get the car serviced by a _REPUTABLE_ dealer or at least
do the oil changes yourself (and use an oil like Mobil 1).
Regards
Matthew
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ChrisG
Robert Hudson wrote in message ...
>HIGHLY unlikely that driving that short distance did anything other than
>leave a nice slipperly line down the road.
>
>I'd say almost impossible actually that you did your car any damage in that
>short drive - so you can breathe a sigh of relief.
*sigh*
(of relief)
:)
Chris
Robert Hudson
Mobil 1.
How does Shell Helix (the stuff in the grey bottle, the top quality one)
compare with Mobil 1/other good quality oils.
I've used Shell Helix since it first came out, it seems pretty good to
me....
Matthew McDonald wrote in message
<377564b3...@news.nat.orac.net.au>...
>On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:57:09 +1000, "ChrisG" <ga...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
Forg
>
> IIRC the Gtech was at least 0.7sec slower than my actual times.
>
> You are talking about the large electronic unit (bigger than a CB) that
> mounts from the windscreen and not the little one (smaller than a pack of
> cigarettes)?
Dunno which unit. All I know is when somebody says "my stock 120Y does
the standing 400m in 14 seconds!", they often back the ludicrous claim
up with a GTech reading.
ChrisG
Matthew McDonald wrote in message
<377564b3...@news.nat.orac.net.au>...
>On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:57:09 +1000, "ChrisG" <ga...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>Robert Hudson wrote in message ...
>>>HIGHLY unlikely that driving that short distance did anything other than
>>>leave a nice slipperly line down the road.
>>>
>>>I'd say almost impossible actually that you did your car any damage in
that
>>>short drive - so you can breathe a sigh of relief.
>>
>>
>>*sigh*
>>
>>(of relief)
>
>Still I'd get this documented somehow, perhaps see a solicitor and
>have this mob of fools cover the car for any engine/turbo
>damage/failure for say 100,000km.
Good idea.
>Or you could demand that the engine/turbo are stripped by a
>_REPUTABLE_ company and checked in full. I think this is the path that
>I would be taking.
Well it is currently at the RACQ depot at Nerang. They do engine
reconditioning/rebuilding I believe, so I suppose they'd strip it down. I
would say they are reputable. What would you say is the average cost of
stripping it down? I am confident these guys will pay up, because they have
a 6 month, 10,000km guarantee on their workmanship. If there's trouble, I'm
on the phone to my solicitor.
>
>And next time get the car serviced by a _REPUTABLE_ dealer or at least
>do the oil changes yourself (and use an oil like Mobil 1).
I did. You know behind Sunshine Ford, where Nissan and Hour Car share that
massive shop? Well I had it serviced at Hour Car. And what has Mobil One
got to do with it? I use the 7.5 Nissan Oil because I change the oil and
filter every 5000kms, and Mobil One is far to expensive.
And yes, I will be doing it myself now :)
Chris
Matthew McDonald
>Matthew McDonald wrote in message
><377564b3...@news.nat.orac.net.au>...
>>Still I'd get this documented somehow, perhaps see a solicitor and
>>have this mob of fools cover the car for any engine/turbo
>>damage/failure for say 100,000km.
>
>Good idea.
>
>>Or you could demand that the engine/turbo are stripped by a
>>_REPUTABLE_ company and checked in full. I think this is the path that
>>I would be taking.
>
>Well it is currently at the RACQ depot at Nerang. They do engine
>reconditioning/rebuilding I believe, so I suppose they'd strip it down. I
>would say they are reputable. What would you say is the average cost of
I'd be a bit suss on a RACQ place working on it and find a high
performance car centre that specialise in Turbo's etc.
>stripping it down? I am confident these guys will pay up, because they have
No idea, but this is the option I would be pushing for, plus you get
things like all new gaskets etc. I guess there are down sides to this
and that is they could find problems or damage something in the
process.
>a 6 month, 10,000km guarantee on their workmanship. If there's trouble, I'm
>on the phone to my solicitor.
I wouldn't hesitate, also get onto Fair Trading, file a claim in the
small claims and let the MTAQ? know about it.
>>And next time get the car serviced by a _REPUTABLE_ dealer or at least
>>do the oil changes yourself (and use an oil like Mobil 1).
>
>I did. You know behind Sunshine Ford, where Nissan and Hour Car share that
>massive shop? Well I had it serviced at Hour Car. And what has Mobil One
I work near Sunshine Ford and know where Nissan is but have never
noticed Hour Car? Are they like a discount auto service centre?
>got to do with it? I use the 7.5 Nissan Oil because I change the oil and
>filter every 5000kms, and Mobil One is far to expensive.
What do you define as expensive, is $40 for 5 litres too much to spend
on the best protection you can buy?
Mobil 1 is the oil that you need to use in a Turbo engine and provides
the best protection money can buy, in the Piazza I changed the oil and
filter every 5,000kms with Mobile 1. Much Much cheaper then having to
replace the turbo or rebuild the engine.
>And yes, I will be doing it myself now :)
Good Idea. Either find a really good garage or do it yourself. I'm too
lazy with the new car + it's a tax deduction so I just let Ford do my
car (with Mobil 1 oil). I run 10,000 or six months because it's a non
turbo car.
ChrisG
>>reconditioning/rebuilding I believe, so I suppose they'd strip it down. I
>>would say they are reputable. What would you say is the average cost of
>
>I'd be a bit suss on a RACQ place working on it and find a high
>performance car centre that specialise in Turbo's etc.
Know of any on the Coast?
>
>>stripping it down? I am confident these guys will pay up, because they
have
>
>No idea, but this is the option I would be pushing for, plus you get
>things like all new gaskets etc. I guess there are down sides to this
>and that is they could find problems or damage something in the
>process.
Better that they find it and cover it than me find out later!
>
>>a 6 month, 10,000km guarantee on their workmanship. If there's trouble,
I'm
>>on the phone to my solicitor.
>
>I wouldn't hesitate, also get onto Fair Trading, file a claim in the
>small claims and let the MTAQ? know about it.
Nope... Motoring something??? ;)
>
>>>And next time get the car serviced by a _REPUTABLE_ dealer or at least
>>>do the oil changes yourself (and use an oil like Mobil 1).
>>
>>I did. You know behind Sunshine Ford, where Nissan and Hour Car share
that
>>massive shop? Well I had it serviced at Hour Car. And what has Mobil One
>
>I work near Sunshine Ford and know where Nissan is but have never
>noticed Hour Car? Are they like a discount auto service centre?
They do basic services within an hour while you wait. I didn't check out
what else they do.
>
>>got to do with it? I use the 7.5 Nissan Oil because I change the oil and
>>filter every 5000kms, and Mobil One is far to expensive.
>
>What do you define as expensive, is $40 for 5 litres too much to spend
>on the best protection you can buy?
Every 5000kms, sure. I pay $23-$25 for a 5L bottle. Then I pay $18 for the
filter. From what I have read, the protection offered isn't that much
better, -providing- you treat your car well and allow it to warm up and cool
down properly. I don't take it over 2500rpms until it has been at operating
temp for several minutes, and I let the car sit for 1 - 3minutes before I
turn it off.
>Mobil 1 is the oil that you need to use in a Turbo engine and provides
>the best protection money can buy, in the Piazza I changed the oil and
>filter every 5,000kms with Mobile 1. Much Much cheaper then having to
>replace the turbo or rebuild the engine.
I still use a thinner oil (7.5), though I know Mobil is still thinner.
Doesn't this viscousity just mean that it reduces wear on the engine at
start up? What else does a better oil do to benefit your engine?
>
>>And yes, I will be doing it myself now :)
>
>Good Idea. Either find a really good garage or do it yourself. I'm too
>lazy with the new car + it's a tax deduction so I just let Ford do my
>car (with Mobil 1 oil). I run 10,000 or six months because it's a non
>turbo car.
Yeah, well I don't want to take it to Nissan, because last time I went
there, I had to convince the guy behind the counter that Silvias had an
SR20DET in them. He didn't think they had anything to do with 200sx's!
Chris
Matthew McDonald
>>>Well it is currently at the RACQ depot at Nerang. They do engine
>>>reconditioning/rebuilding I believe, so I suppose they'd strip it down. I
>>>would say they are reputable. What would you say is the average cost of
>>
>>I'd be a bit suss on a RACQ place working on it and find a high
>>performance car centre that specialise in Turbo's etc.
>
>Know of any on the Coast?
Nope, all my servicing is done in Brisbane at Metro Ford because of my
warranty. The ironic thing is that I work directly across the road
from the local Ford Dealer yet I have to drive to Brisbane to get it
serviced!
>Better that they find it and cover it than me find out later!
See what they say.
>>I wouldn't hesitate, also get onto Fair Trading, file a claim in the
>>small claims and let the MTAQ? know about it.
>
>Nope... Motoring something??? ;)
Motor Trade Association of Qld I think.
>They do basic services within an hour while you wait. I didn't check out
>what else they do.
Makes you wonder how stupid you'd have to be to not tighten the oil
filter! Someone is going to get their arse kicked on Monday.
>>What do you define as expensive, is $40 for 5 litres too much to spend
>>on the best protection you can buy?
>
>Every 5000kms, sure. I pay $23-$25 for a 5L bottle. Then I pay $18 for the
>filter. From what I have read, the protection offered isn't that much
>better, -providing- you treat your car well and allow it to warm up and cool
>down properly. I don't take it over 2500rpms until it has been at operating
>temp for several minutes, and I let the car sit for 1 - 3minutes before I
>turn it off.
Normal oil will break down in a Turbo car because of the Temp, the
Mobil 1 is designed for maximum protection. It will also allow you car
to rev faster and idle smoother. It offers better protection at
startup and will protect your car's engine. Is an extra $15 too much
to pay for that sort of protection?
>I still use a thinner oil (7.5), though I know Mobil is still thinner.
>Doesn't this viscousity just mean that it reduces wear on the engine at
>start up? What else does a better oil do to benefit your engine?
It's a thinner oil at startup and then increases in thickness as the
engine warms up to keep providing protection.
Mobil 1 may not be 100% necessary but under extreme conditions will
protect your engine, won't coke in the turbo and if the oil filter
pops off will protect your engine longer.
>Yeah, well I don't want to take it to Nissan, because last time I went
>there, I had to convince the guy behind the counter that Silvias had an
>SR20DET in them. He didn't think they had anything to do with 200sx's!
I'd find a good specialist car place. I had a really good one in
Hobart close to work, called the Specialist Car Centre, if you're in
Hobart and want excellent service go and see Tim Smith. They're not
really cheap but they do an excellent job and really look after you.
They work on all sorts of cars like Porsche, BMW, Ferrari, Lotus,
Holden, Ford etc.
ChrisG
>
>>Know of any on the Coast?
>
>Nope, all my servicing is done in Brisbane at Metro Ford because of my
>warranty. The ironic thing is that I work directly across the road
>from the local Ford Dealer yet I have to drive to Brisbane to get it
>serviced!
haha! What a pain.
>
>>Better that they find it and cover it than me find out later!
>
>See what they say.
Yeah.
>
>>>I wouldn't hesitate, also get onto Fair Trading, file a claim in the
>>>small claims and let the MTAQ? know about it.
>>
>>Nope... Motoring something??? ;)
>
>Motor Trade Association of Qld I think.
>
>>They do basic services within an hour while you wait. I didn't check out
>>what else they do.
>
>Makes you wonder how stupid you'd have to be to not tighten the oil
>filter! Someone is going to get their arse kicked on Monday.
Yeah, they might have been distracted and just forgot half-way. I don't
know, but it has fucked me around. Where the cap is siutated is a really
hard spot to get at, unless you're under the car. No excuse though.
>
>Normal oil will break down in a Turbo car because of the Temp, the
>Mobil 1 is designed for maximum protection. It will also allow you car
>to rev faster and idle smoother. It offers better protection at
>startup and will protect your car's engine. Is an extra $15 too much
>to pay for that sort of protection?
I get through 5000kms in about 2-3 months. $45 of oil/filter + $40-60 for
the service + another $15 is real expensive for a budget student. Though
once I start doing it myself, then yes, I should be able to afford, no
dramas.
>
>>I still use a thinner oil (7.5), though I know Mobil is still thinner.
>>Doesn't this viscousity just mean that it reduces wear on the engine at
>>start up? What else does a better oil do to benefit your engine?
>
>It's a thinner oil at startup and then increases in thickness as the
>engine warms up to keep providing protection.
>
>Mobil 1 may not be 100% necessary but under extreme conditions will
>protect your engine, won't coke in the turbo and if the oil filter
>pops off will protect your engine longer.
hehe Shit that better not happen again. I thought it was the sump plug.
Should have seen my face.
>
>>Yeah, well I don't want to take it to Nissan, because last time I went
>>there, I had to convince the guy behind the counter that Silvias had an
>>SR20DET in them. He didn't think they had anything to do with 200sx's!
>
>I'd find a good specialist car place. I had a really good one in
>Hobart close to work, called the Specialist Car Centre, if you're in
>Hobart and want excellent service go and see Tim Smith. They're not
>really cheap but they do an excellent job and really look after you.
>They work on all sorts of cars like Porsche, BMW, Ferrari, Lotus,
>Holden, Ford etc.
Yep, for anything more than basic I have a shop to go to, but it is out of
the way and inconvenient. I assumed anyone could do a basic oil/grease
change, check the brakes etc. Seems not!
Chris
Robert Hudson
If your car was new when you bought it, it is covered by a warranty by
Ford - not the dealer.
Matthew McDonald wrote in message
<377aeec2....@news.nat.orac.net.au>...
>On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:26:49 +1000, "ChrisG" <ga...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>>Well it is currently at the RACQ depot at Nerang. They do engine
>>>>reconditioning/rebuilding I believe, so I suppose they'd strip it down.
I
>>>>would say they are reputable. What would you say is the average cost of
>>>
>>>I'd be a bit suss on a RACQ place working on it and find a high
>>>performance car centre that specialise in Turbo's etc.
>>
>>Know of any on the Coast?
>
>Nope, all my servicing is done in Brisbane at Metro Ford because of my
>warranty. The ironic thing is that I work directly across the road
>from the local Ford Dealer yet I have to drive to Brisbane to get it
>serviced!
>
>>Better that they find it and cover it than me find out later!
>
>See what they say.
>
>>>I wouldn't hesitate, also get onto Fair Trading, file a claim in the
>>>small claims and let the MTAQ? know about it.
>>
>>Nope... Motoring something??? ;)
>
>Motor Trade Association of Qld I think.
>
>>They do basic services within an hour while you wait. I didn't check out
>>what else they do.
>
>Makes you wonder how stupid you'd have to be to not tighten the oil
>filter! Someone is going to get their arse kicked on Monday.
>
>>>What do you define as expensive, is $40 for 5 litres too much to spend
>>>on the best protection you can buy?
>>
>>Every 5000kms, sure. I pay $23-$25 for a 5L bottle. Then I pay $18 for
the
>>filter. From what I have read, the protection offered isn't that much
>>better, -providing- you treat your car well and allow it to warm up and
cool
>>down properly. I don't take it over 2500rpms until it has been at
operating
>>temp for several minutes, and I let the car sit for 1 - 3minutes before I
>>turn it off.
>
>Normal oil will break down in a Turbo car because of the Temp, the
>Mobil 1 is designed for maximum protection. It will also allow you car
>to rev faster and idle smoother. It offers better protection at
>startup and will protect your car's engine. Is an extra $15 too much
>to pay for that sort of protection?
>
>>I still use a thinner oil (7.5), though I know Mobil is still thinner.
>>Doesn't this viscousity just mean that it reduces wear on the engine at
>>start up? What else does a better oil do to benefit your engine?
>
>It's a thinner oil at startup and then increases in thickness as the
>engine warms up to keep providing protection.
>
>Mobil 1 may not be 100% necessary but under extreme conditions will
>protect your engine, won't coke in the turbo and if the oil filter
>pops off will protect your engine longer.
>
>>Yeah, well I don't want to take it to Nissan, because last time I went
>>there, I had to convince the guy behind the counter that Silvias had an
>>SR20DET in them. He didn't think they had anything to do with 200sx's!
>
>I'd find a good specialist car place. I had a really good one in
>Hobart close to work, called the Specialist Car Centre, if you're in
>Hobart and want excellent service go and see Tim Smith. They're not
>really cheap but they do an excellent job and really look after you.
>They work on all sorts of cars like Porsche, BMW, Ferrari, Lotus,
>Holden, Ford etc.
>
>
Matthew McDonald
<man...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Sounds like crap to me, unless it's a used car.....
>
>If your car was new when you bought it, it is covered by a warranty by
>Ford - not the dealer.
It's under an extended warranty now.
Robert Hudson
Matthew McDonald wrote in message <377611a1...@news.nat.orac.net.au>...
Matthew McDonald
<man...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Warranty by Ford, or the dealer itself?
Dealer (they own the warranty company), covers everything the
manufacturer's warranty did for an additional three years/60,000 kms.
Matthew McDonald
<man...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>kewl.
>
>I guess that means you are stuck with that dealer then :P
Doesn't worry me as I get discounts on servicing, a free loan car (AU
Falcon - normally wagon though) with free petrol, good service etc.
Robert Hudson
I guess that means you are stuck with that dealer then :P
Matthew McDonald wrote in message
<3780334d...@news.nat.orac.net.au>...
>On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:19:16 +1000, "Robert Hudson"
><man...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Warranty by Ford, or the dealer itself?
>
>Dealer (they own the warranty company), covers everything the
>manufacturer's warranty did for an additional three years/60,000 kms.
>
>
Andrew Wong
<jon...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> The Prelude VTI-R seems to get a second wind on the highway, I've seen
>them
> pull away from XR's and SS's and even keep up with WRX's, though from a
>standing
> start to 100kph the Prelude it beaten.
>
Err.. the Honda Prelude has a good engine, but I don't think it can
keep up with a WRX..
You might have seen it trounce an RX Impreza, but no way is it close
to real Rex unless the WRX driver has no clue.. Standing start, or
otherwise (including downhill in a tailwind).
Andrew Wong
<jon...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> Ease off a little, my '98 200sx hammers v8 commodores and
> Falcons both from a standing start and on the highway, and its motor is
>15% smaller
> than the Preludes! (2litres as opposed to 2.2 litres) I've even cleaned
>out
> Senators and XR8's and left them looking lame...but only when I'm in a
>bad mood...
>
You have a turbo.. counts for about 1.4 times engine capacity.. so
really, your engine output is equivalent to a 2.8L engine. No
comparison really..
Does it count when the guy driving the Falcadore pauses to think about
the damage a car can do when it is making a joke out of the posted
speed limit ??
ChrisG
>>
>
>Err.. the Honda Prelude has a good engine, but I don't think it can
>keep up with a WRX..
hehehe
>
>You might have seen it trounce an RX Impreza, but no way is it close
>to real Rex unless the WRX driver has no clue.. Standing start, or
>otherwise (including downhill in a tailwind).
Or not even trying :)
Chris
>
Witold
>You just think that a small prelude is always goiing to be more
>slippery.
A car's drag coefficient (Cd) is the indicator of its aerodynamic
"efficiency". Typical values for sedans and similar vehicles are often in
the range 0.30 to 0.40. Cd values less than 0.30 seem to be quite a good
result.
The drag coefficient is a non-dimensional parameter, and for typical car
sizes would be taken as being independent of the car's size.
The drag force developed by the body of the car as it is being pushed
through the air at a velocity V is proportional to Cd x A x V^2. Note that
V^2 is the square of the velocity. A is the frontal area of the car,
taken as the area inside the outline of the car when looking from the
front or the rear of the vehicle. Hence the drag is proportional to Cd x
A.
Cars such as the Prelude have a smaller A than those such as Commodores or
Falcons, and for the Prelude this is mainly to do with its lower height,
as it is a fairly wide car from what I remember. I might guess that
Preludes also have a smaller Cd value, but how much smaller, I don't know.
When taken together, the Cd x A of a Prelude might be expected to be quite
a bit less than that of a Commodore/Falcon.
Witold
wwCU...@netwide.com.au
Neil Fisher
<7kvonj$ass$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>...
> Hi Tim,
>
> Ease off a little, my '98 200sx hammers v8 commodores and
> Falcons both from a standing start and on the highway, and its motor is
> 15% smaller
> than the Preludes! (2litres as opposed to 2.2 litres) I've even cleaned
> out
> Senators and XR8's and left them looking lame...but only when I'm in a
> bad mood...
>
> lane...but you V8
> bullies really get me mad.
>
> You obviously haven't driven a Prelude/200sx/Wrx at 100kph and dropped
> down
> into 3rd and hammered it, trust me the V8's get nailed. I've driven big
> beefy V8's
> and they don't have the instant response....simple as that.
>
You have obviously never driven a nicely warmed over V8 then.
Neil
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Chris Ahern
> > Whats weak about motors figures? The fact that every test they do, the
> > car is loaded with two people and half a tank gives some consistency.
> > Rather than getting a wild result when the car has two litres of fuel
> > left and the drive weighs less than teddy bear.
>
> I'm saying they're weak figures because having half a tank and a
> passenger in the car is effectively giving more weight than just a driver
> and more than a full tank. Now how often would you be dragging (which is
> 0-100 by the way) with a FULL TANK?!?!??? It's weak because it doesn't
> necessarily give the full picture of REAL LIFE SITUATIONS, something I can't
> help but think you lack.
Whoah, I've been staying out of the petty bitching going on in this
string, but this one I have to comment on.
You're saying that half a tank and no passengers is considered a real life
benchmark? Come on.
In real life, conditions aren't perfect. Road surfaces suck, you don't
get a series of lights letting you know when the green will come on, and
you rarely have an empty car stripped down to minimum weight. In a drag,
sure you make the conditions as perfect as possible, but on the street you
can't.
Why is the WRX considered so insanely fricken fast? Not because of its
1/4 mile times, which a LOT of cars can match. It's considered fast
because it can reproduce it's 1/4 performance on the street. Many other
cars can put in a good 1/4 mile but as soon as you get them in real
conditions they get their arses whipped. I feel that the one passenger
policy helps to bring the cars back a little to a more realistic indicator
of street performance. Yes a light car will suffer with a passenger, but
who wants to show their friends what a haul-arse car they've got and have
the thing lose all its performance with a poncy extra 70kg in the car?
Chris
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>
> Chris Ahern <zzca...@uq.net.au> wrote in message
> news:Pine.OSF.4.10.990624...@fox.uq.net.au...
> > > > are claiming 6.5s!!! I refuse to believe that. I can't believe that
> > > > ANYTHING with less than 200bhp and FWD can get to 100km/h in anything
> under
> > > > 7s.
> >
> > Question: how does FWD affect 0-100 time? Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't
> > touch a FWD car with a barge pole, but as I see it, FWD shouldn't be a
> > hindrance in straight line speed if the car is set up okay. I could even
> > see merit in an argument that FWD would reduce drivetrain loss (I don't
> > know if that's the case or not).
> >
> > FWD sucks because of the cornering characteristics, but I don't see any
> > reason it should affect acceleration much.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
> Who says current Prelude VTiR is faster than current Civic VTiR?
> My friend owns Civic VTiR and his best timing for 0-100kmh is 7.4 secs
> I don't think Prelude would fall in that time
> Prelude VTiR is heavy and remember, Civic VTiR have high power output per
> litre than Prelude even it is only 1.6L compared to 2.2L
How does this in any way have anything to do with my post?
TheTaipan
I remember reading about a test Chev did when they had to much $$$ to play
with when they designed the Corvette Stingray. So the story goes they put
this thing in a wind tunnel until they had the lowest drag coefficient
possible then they took that design and turned it around and ran it
backwards! Guess what happened...
yes that's right the Cd actually dropped significantly by running the bitch
backwards! (Try driving your Prelude in reverse for a better Cd)
But look on the bright side, just tell the guy with the V8 who doubts how
quick your car is to follow you through some corners!
What was that he said about his V8 having better aerodynamics?
SL
Andrew <ab...@ains.net.au> wrote in message
news:3772F523...@ains.net.au...
Fine, IF you can see logic in what you are saying, I won't stop you.
Maybe you need to SEE things in REAL LIFE before you will admit something in
YOUR LOGIC is a bit outta place. I'm sure most people on this newsgroup will
know just from COMMON SENSE that a prelude is 'just a weeny bit' more
aerodynamic than most family sedans.
Tim Kaye wrote:
> G
>
> Just because a car looks flatter doesn't mean it has better
> aerodynamics. Youv'e been watching tv too much, maybe you should see on
> for real, than aren't just flat they are curved and carved.
>
> My logic doesn't say that bus is better than a V8. Your just being
> radically stupid. Being a family car doesn't instantly apply shit
> aerodynamics.
>
> I am simply saying that the modern family car be it V8 or straight 6 or
> V6 doens't lend itself to being out of shape.
>
> You just think that a small prelude is always goiing to be more
> slippery.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew [SMTP:ab...@ains.net.au]
> > Posted At: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:45 AM
> > Posted To: cars
> > Conversation: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> > Subject: Re: How quick is a Prelude VTi-R?
> >
> > Holy shit, so I take it you believe a V8 family sedan has better
> > aerodynamics than a prelude?!?!?!? okok then I guess following your
> > logic a BUS
> > would have better aerodynamics than a V8 sedan!!!!! shit, and you keep
> > telling
> > me to take my hand off it!!!!! Have you EVER wondered why Indy, F1,
> > GT, and any
> > other formula racing cars are so flat?!??! I always thought it was
> > because it
> > makes the car cut through the air at high speeds with much reduced
> > resistance.
> > Looks like you have an argument to prove me wrong! You must know some
> > kinda
> > physics that I haven't heard of!!
> >
> > I find it impossible that someone can argue that a BIG (though
> > practical)
> > Australian family sedan could have better aerodynamics than a
> > (flattER)
> > Prelude!!!!!!!! It's like comparing a truck to a bullet!!
> >
> > Timothy Kaye wrote:
> >
> > > Frontal, woopy dooo. Its not just a matter of having a smoother
> > front.
> > >
> > > What exactly is the measure for frontal area? WHats the cd of a
> > prelude?
> > >
> > > Overall the cd is what is needed, not just cdA.
joneill
But then again I'm not talking about modified cars.. You can 'warm over' a
4cyl turbo
as well... :)
-JohnO
joneill
high
speeds, remember this is not 1/4 territory or 0-100kph stuff...
I'm no expert but they go quick on the open road... Any Prelude drivers like
to comment?
Andrew
least) are known to not accelerate rapidly at the very top end (like the VERY
high speeds we're talking about). They accelerate like crazy from low to medium
speeds, but top end speed has a lot to do with aerodynamics (yes, start the
flames here!). And yes, the Prelude is a very quick and fun car to drive on an
open road.
joneill wrote:
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