What is the ugliest Aussie car?
Katharine & Paul
rear drive.
Here is my list
- VL Group A 'Walkinshaw'
Surely the most over the top body kit of all time. And painted in a colour
straight from the Holden Camira catalogue. Why would a "hot" car be painted
in that colour. Save it for Camiras and Camrys
- Leyland P76
All full of lines in all the wrong places. Fat arsed looking rear end, ugly
front end.
- HQ-HZ Holden Statesman
The front, middle, and rear sections look like they come from 3 separate
cars. They all clash with each other. Made uglier by the vinyl roof!
- Ford Landau
The shape of the C pillar does it all. And the front end with the hidden
headlights.
- Ford AU1 Falcon Forte
I'm specifying that particular model. I reckon Ford did a good job with the
looks of the ute and XR series. The very plasticky centre console didnt help
either. The vertical bar grille and sunken bonnet were seriously tragic.
And a few of the Best
- Valiant R and S series. Best by a long way. A car that really stands out
in a crowd.
- Valiant Charger. Sporty looking without being too over the top/
- XD Falcon - sure it looks square and outdated now, but it had all its
square lines in the right places. Looked even better in Fairmont Ghia with
the extra chrome bits.
- Holden HQ. A bit ahead of its time. Would be more appreciated if it wasnt
so common
- Falcon XR-XY. Could look agressive (think the Phase 3) and elegant (see a
well maintained Fairmont) at the same time.
What do you guys reckon?
Julian Carrot
"Katharine & Paul" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com.au> wrote in message
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Might have looked funny, but it was a far better car than all the other shit
around at the time.
>
Noddy
> rear drive.
I'll limit my list to cars that are/were actually built here.
Here's my very subjective list.
All time ugliest Australian built car ever: The current Magna, by a
light-year from anything yet designed :)
Ugly Also rans: (In order of ugliness)
AU Falcon.
P-76 (especially the Force 7. It was fucking *repulsive* :)
Any Rambler built in South Melbourne.
Austin Kimberly.
HB Torana.
TA Torana.
'73 LTD and Ford Landau.
"Cobra" & "John Goss" Coupes. (ugly versions of a very gay car)
XB GT (all noise and no balls)
EL GT (Just fucking ugly, but a nice drive)
Walkinshaw Commy (Jesus...:)
VH Valiant. (Poverty pack ugly)
ZF & ZG Fairlanes (Whoa...*Bad* look)
VN Commodore.
VP Commodore.
Any Jaguar (Not built here sure, but ugly enough to deserve a special
mention)
Good lookers.
Best looking Australian built car in history: XP Futura coupe (in red with
red trim of course :)
Other good lookers (in order of fat cracking appeal)
'65 Mustang (partially assembled here for a very limited time, and one of
the best looking cars in history)
ZD Fairlane.
XY GT (Track red).
XT GT (Candy Apple red & Zircon Green)
XR GT (Any colour you like, so long as it's gold)
LJ GTR-XU1 (In Chāteau Mauve with sprintmasters, but that's only because
that's what mine was :)
HQ Coupe.
HG Monaro 350 (in burnt orange thank you very much)
EF Falcon.
R series Valiant (liked it much better than the more common S)
AP6 Valiant V8
HR Holden.
XD Falcon.
VT Commodore.
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Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
"Julian Carrot" <vegie...@themarket.com> wrote in message
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> Might have looked funny, but it was a far better car than all the other
shit
> around at the time.
Interesting.
Let me ask you this *very* simple question: If the P-76 was such a good car,
and so much better than "all the other shit around at the time", why did it
die the miserable death it so quickly did?
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Regards,
Noddy.
Charlie
Charlie
Patrick Young
The conditions under which it was built? I worked with someone, who as a
Uni student did just that as a part time job.
My first memory of one was 1979, going to School in QLD (first year
high School) - parents of a friend had a Targa Florio.
The only other one I knew about was a teacher at same School in 1981.
I still think they are OK looking cars, I liked the look of the front
end back then and kinda still do now. There was _FAR_ uglier back
then.
Never driven or owned one though.
Adam
"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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Although I can't remember all the details, I seem to recall one of Leylands
advertisments said "The world is our testing ground" Unfortunately that
seemed too true to joke about, as one of the reasons this car failed was in
its woeful quality control.Which is damn unfortunate, because they were
years ahead of their time with the P76. Hidden windscreen wipers, Alloy V8,
boot big enough to fit a 44 gallon drum, controversial design/styling.
Unfortunately, I think Leyland were tring to sell the right car, in the
wrong place at the wrong time... With nowhere near enough quality control..
Adam
Noddy
"Adam" <diespammer...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Although I can't remember all the details, I seem to recall one of
Leylands
> advertisments said "The world is our testing ground" Unfortunately that
> seemed too true to joke about, as one of the reasons this car failed was
in
> its woeful quality control.Which is damn unfortunate, because they were
> years ahead of their time with the P76. Hidden windscreen wipers, Alloy
V8,
> boot big enough to fit a 44 gallon drum, controversial design/styling.
> Unfortunately, I think Leyland were tring to sell the right car, in the
> wrong place at the wrong time... With nowhere near enough quality
control..
Is it just me, or is everyone who thinks the P-76 had some redeeming
features too young to have remembered it properly?
The car *I* remember was an ugly, oil burning over-heating heap of shit that
had the worst build quality known to man, and there was *nothing* either new
or advanced about it.
It was a poorly built unreliable car that was also considered ugly by most
people. Wondering why it died quickly isn't really necessary....
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Regards,
Noddy.
Patrick Young
> Is it just me, or is everyone who thinks the P-76 had some redeeming
> features too young to have remembered it properly?
Yup, quite possible.
> The car *I* remember was an ugly, oil burning over-heating heap of shit that
> had the worst build quality known to man, and there was *nothing* either new
> or advanced about it.
>
> It was a poorly built unreliable car that was also considered ugly by most
> people. Wondering why it died quickly isn't really necessary....
I did say I never owned or have driven one. I just didn't, and still
don't, find it all that ugly (and that was the question) - there were
far worse from here and all over the world (which I won't go into as
I'll probably end up offending _everyone_ in this NG :-) ).
Sure most likely a POS, but not really that ugly IMHO.
DalienX
oh and the new magna too
and all the VL's they look like squashed bricks
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DalienX
Graham W
> Although I can't remember all the details, I seem to recall one of Leylands
> advertisments said "The world is our testing ground"
A young trendy 1970s couple standing in front of their Mini Clubman,
with the caption, "The world is our proving ground". Pretty much summed
up British Leyland's whole attiude.
> ... Unfortunately that
> seemed too true to joke about, as one of the reasons this car failed was in
> its woeful quality control.Which is damn unfortunate, because they were
> years ahead of their time with the P76. Hidden windscreen wipers, Alloy V8,
> boot big enough to fit a 44 gallon drum, controversial design/styling.
> Unfortunately, I think Leyland were tring to sell the right car, in the
> wrong place at the wrong time... With nowhere near enough quality control..
Leyland were the wrong people to be building any car. A P76 built by the
Japanese at the time would have been a killer. Anything built by Leyland
was guaranteed to be a disaster.
Deltic
The first series Lightburn Zeta has to be the ugliest Australian Car.
Harold Lightburn produced a handful of these fiber-glass horrors from
his SA factory and I wonder how many survive today.
Regards
John
Greg Stewart
>
> "Leyland P76
> All full of lines in all the wrong places. Fat arsed looking rear end,
> ugly
> front end."
>
> Might have looked funny, but it was a far better car than all the other
> shit
> around at the time.
I have never driven on or owned one, but I have heard a lot of people call
them the P38, cos they said their were only half as good as any other car on
the road..??
Noddy
"Greg Stewart" <gregs...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> I have never driven on or owned one, but I have heard a lot of people call
> them the P38, cos they said their were only half as good as any other car
on
> the road..??
They are quite over-rated today, and by people who don't know what they were
like when new.
About the only thing they had that was better than any other large car
available here at the time was rack & pinion steering, but the wallowy
springs and fairly cumbersome handling sort of made it a bit of a moot
point.
A heap of shit of the finest order, and everyone knew that except wheels
magazine.
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Regards,
Noddy.
Ron the Barbarian
news:40dad540$0$18195$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au:
> Although I can't remember all the details, I seem to recall one of
> Leylands advertisments said "The world is our testing ground"
> Unfortunately that seemed too true to joke about, as one of the
> reasons this car failed was in its woeful quality control.Which is
> damn unfortunate, because they were years ahead of their time with the
> P76. Hidden windscreen wipers, Alloy V8, boot big enough to fit a 44
> gallon drum, controversial design/styling. Unfortunately, I think
> Leyland were tring to sell the right car, in the wrong place at the
> wrong time... With nowhere near enough quality control..
>
> Adam
Leyland fucked every thing they touched. They caused the demise of other
british brands and damn near killed off Jaguar, with their cheap components
and shoddy work. If you have a look at the 70's Jaguars, you'll see huge
gaps and bugger all gaps between the body pannels. Why, the cunts insisted
on door pannels being pressed, three + sheets a time. So the first is big
and the other slightly smaller as the go.
The directors of leyland should be taken out and shot!
Ron the Barbarian
Diesel Damo
> >
>
> features too young to have remembered it properly?
The thing I often wonder about P-76s is did they advertise this "44
gallon drum in the boot" in their sales brochures, or did everyone
back then have a need to carry around 44 gallon drums?
Whenever anyone mentions a P-76, they always mention that you could
fit a 44 in the boot.
Ron the Barbarian
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Very few :-)
Most are in museums.
The sports looked a little better.
Ron the Barbarian
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> I'll start with defining "Aussie car". The traditional Ford/Holden
> style rear drive.
>
> Here is my list
>
> - VL Group A 'Walkinshaw'
Adreed
> - Leyland P76
> All full of lines in all the wrong places. Fat arsed looking rear end,
> ugly front end.
To a point, I don't think they are that bad.
> - HQ-HZ Holden Statesman
Yes
>
> - Ford Landau
I liked them
>
> - Ford AU1 Falcon Forte
Yes it was.
>
> And a few of the Best
> - Valiant R and S series. Best by a long way. A car that really stands
Odd ugly shape.
> - Valiant Charger.
Horrid shape wheels stuck well inside looked ugly and often driven by
poofters.
> - XD Falcon
Plain, boring looking square car, similar to those fucking horrid early
Foulcans, 1961 to 1966 and Holden EJ to HR. All fugly boxes.
Others "I" don't like is the shape of the Magna, EF to EL falcon (ugly
front and rear), XJ40 Jaguar (big box), all valiants (too yanky, ugly
dash boards, narrow track and odd shapes).
Some I do like, 56 Cadillac, most Jaguars, MKII Zephyr/Zodiacs,
Customlines, 57 and 59 Chev plus most of the 30's vintage style of cars.
Noddy
"Diesel Damo" <Diese...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> The thing I often wonder about P-76s is did they advertise this "44
> gallon drum in the boot" in their sales brochures, or did everyone
> back then have a need to carry around 44 gallon drums?
No, it was one of the "ahead of it's time" features about the car :)
> Whenever anyone mentions a P-76, they always mention that you could
> fit a 44 in the boot.
And you could.
The car appeared in print and tv adds with a 44 gallon drum in the boot, but
no explanation of why the fuck you'd want to carry one with you....
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Regards,
Noddy.
RVi
>
> Might have looked funny, but it was a far better car than all the other shit
> around at the time.
The idea was good but it was fuck ugly and a POS at the same time.
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Regards
Dan.
Ron the Barbarian
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> The thing I often wonder about P-76s is did they advertise this "44
> gallon drum in the boot" in their sales brochures, or did everyone
> back then have a need to carry around 44 gallon drums?
>
> Whenever anyone mentions a P-76, they always mention that you could
> fit a 44 in the boot.
44 Gal drums were used by a lot of farmers for petrol, kero, etc.
Even I used to buy a 44 of super when I went home on Christmas leave,
whilst young and single in the Army. The oldies lived 21 miles out of
town, so a 44 gal drum of fuel was very handy to refuel my ZB Fairlane.
Although a P76 could hold a 44 gal drum, you would not be able to lift it
out, if full :-)
The saying was more for an example of space. i.e. most people knew exactly
what the size of a 44 was, so it was easier to say, "The P76 has a boot big
enough to hold a 44 gal drum" :-)
Ron the Barbarian
Read my previous post on it, you maybe enlightened :-)
RVi
> The car appeared in print and tv adds with a 44 gallon drum in the boot, but
> no explanation of why the fuck you'd want to carry one with you....
If your a drummer?! *boom tish*
:-p
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Regards
Dan.
budgie
>
>"Greg Stewart" <gregs...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>news:40db3d7f$0$29888
>
>> I have never driven on or owned one, but I have heard a lot of people call
>> them the P38, cos they said their were only half as good as any other car
>on
>> the road..??
>
>They are quite over-rated today, and by people who don't know what they were
>like when new.
>
>About the only thing they had that was better than any other large car
>available here at the time was rack & pinion steering, but the wallowy
>springs and fairly cumbersome handling sort of made it a bit of a moot
>point.
You left out the "farmer's" boot - designed to fit a 44 or a couple of bales.
Supposed to be the ute without a tray. And the V8 had valley gasket problems
that seemed insurmountable.
Fraser Johnston
"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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Because it was as ugly as a hatfull of arseholes. My uncle had one and it
was the only car I could get carsick in from a 10 minute drive.
Fraser
D Walford
No, they were called the P38 because they were only half built, on the
road they were a lot better than the competition.
Trouble is they weren't on the road all that often.
A mate bought a new V8 P76, when he got it home he found lots of screws
and other hardware thrown on the rear floor, he also found the loose
parts that the hardware was supposed to be securing.
Daryl
Diesel Damo
> The car appeared in print and tv adds with a 44 gallon drum in the boot,
Ah, that explains it.
> but no explanation of why the fuck you'd want to carry one with you....
Especially these days with people buying suit utes and cringing at the
idea of putting anything in the back other than cotton wool.
Kieron
wrote:
>Leyland were the wrong people to be building any car. A P76 built by the
>Japanese at the time would have been a killer. Anything built by Leyland
>was guaranteed to be a disaster.
I'd have to agree with that Graham. there was some clever thinking in
the P76, it just needed finishing off in some areas and decent build
quality.
Personally I didn't mind its looks although it definately needed the
twin headlight front end.
Kieron
My oldies nearly bought one when they were new. They eventually did
get an old one in the mid 80's, at the time I had an XB and can tell
you the P76 steering/handling was much better than the Falcon.
Interior space tipped in the P76's favour, XB's build quality shat on
the '76
Driveline was essentially the same as Falcon so reliable, 6 pot engine
was a dog though, its pesky good for nothing cheap arse bucket n shim
OHC got in the way of me doing its head gasket too, couldn't believe
the lip on the cylinders considering the k's, Mick Jagger would have
been proud :)
Brakes were no better or worse the XB.
Ron the Barbarian
@reader.news.telstra.net:
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:36:13 +1000, Graham W <zeb...@alphalink.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Leyland were the wrong people to be building any car. A P76 built by the
>>Japanese at the time would have been a killer. Anything built by Leyland
>>was guaranteed to be a disaster.
>
> I'd have to agree with that Graham. there was some clever thinking in
> the P76, it just needed finishing off in some areas and decent build
> quality.
Leyland, it could NEVER happen.
Kieron
Agreed Ron
Noddy
<OzOne> wrote in message news:mapnd0dd64ihfqcl6...@4ax.com...
> Leyland was in dire straits in 1973.
> It rushed the P76....Project (19)76 out to try and save its arse.
> They stuffed up, the car just wasn't ready for release and spelled the
> end of Leyland.
It was never going to be a winning car, even if the many bugs could have
been ironed out.
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Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
<OzOne> wrote in message news:26ond0h6pj6k39olu...@4ax.com...
> Because it was released a year or so before it was due.
> My brother owned a P76 Exec (exec actually meant a luxo version back
> then) V8.
> It drove superbly and towed my race cars and trailer without even
> blinking.
Shit, he was lucky.
Most of the V8's had overheating problems, oil leaks and head gasket issues.
A great many also rattled their brains out and had terrible ring seal dramas
as well (an issue that's largely dogged the little buick, er I mean Rover
for years).
The 6 cylinder's wouldn't pull your cock :)
> Only problem it had was occasional snap overheating. traced to casting
> cores that weren't removed in the engine manufacture. They were
> cleaned out and virtually a brand new cooling system fitted and he had
> no more problems...until he booked it in for a service and was rung in
> the middle of the day to say that an apprentice had managed to drive
> it off the rooftop carpark at the dealers and rode it down two floors
> to the concrete below.
The lucky bastard!
Fuckloads of P-76 customers wished they were that lucky, I'll bet :)
> They offered him a brand new one but he decided to just take the
> dollars.
> He bought a Commodore and I quickly bought a car that would tow.....
A Fairlane?
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Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
<OzOne> wrote in message news:s0pnd054v2ouvs3dl...@4ax.com...
> Damn Noddy, they were a product of their age....look at the other cars
> that they were XA Falcons and HQ Holdens....both ill handling barges.
By degrees.
The HQ wasn't so bad, while the XA was significantly worse. The P-76 was
somewhere in between them with better steering than both. noticeably better
in fact.
Aside from than, it was unremarkable as far as I was concerned.
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Regards,
Noddy.
Katharine & Paul
I reckon a lot of station wagons and 4wd's would struggle.
I like the P76, and would buy one myself. I still think it is ugly though
"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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Katharine & Paul
Back to the original topic.
Some other uglies
WB Statesman
- why did they try to make a Kingswood look like a Cadillac. Nice car, but
the looks didnt work.At least they didnt all have a vinyl roof
HD Holden
- Do I need to say much????
Holden Brougham
- not too bad looking from the front. But the long boot looks ridiculous
from side on
AU Fairlane
- Didnt have much to start with. But they somehow made it look worse.
VP Commodore
- the look of full width plastic on the front and back?? why???
Here are some more I'll but in the best
ZH Fairlane
- looked exactly as it should (after the ZF and XG just looked like bigger
falcons), a step up from the XC Falcon, with looks to match its size. The
rolls royce try hard grille on the LTD stuffed up its look.
ZD Fairlane
- love the stacked headlights
VG-VH Valiant hardtop
- the extra length in the wheelbase worked well on this design. Easy to see
why so many were used as the base for a convertible.
"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Katharine & Paul" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com.au> wrote in message
> news:40da...@news.comindico.com.au...
> > I'll start with defining "Aussie car". The traditional Ford/Holden style
> > rear drive.
>
> I'll limit my list to cars that are/were actually built here.
>
> Here's my very subjective list.
>
> All time ugliest Australian built car ever: The current Magna, by a
> light-year from anything yet designed :)
>
> Ugly Also rans: (In order of ugliness)
>
> AU Falcon.
> P-76 (especially the Force 7. It was fucking *repulsive* :)
> Any Rambler built in South Melbourne.
> Austin Kimberly.
> HB Torana.
> TA Torana.
> '73 LTD and Ford Landau.
> "Cobra" & "John Goss" Coupes. (ugly versions of a very gay car)
> XB GT (all noise and no balls)
> EL GT (Just fucking ugly, but a nice drive)
> Walkinshaw Commy (Jesus...:)
> VH Valiant. (Poverty pack ugly)
> ZF & ZG Fairlanes (Whoa...*Bad* look)
> VN Commodore.
> VP Commodore.
> Any Jaguar (Not built here sure, but ugly enough to deserve a special
> mention)
>
> Good lookers.
>
> Best looking Australian built car in history: XP Futura coupe (in red with
> red trim of course :)
>
> Other good lookers (in order of fat cracking appeal)
>
> '65 Mustang (partially assembled here for a very limited time, and one of
> the best looking cars in history)
> ZD Fairlane.
> XY GT (Track red).
> XT GT (Candy Apple red & Zircon Green)
> XR GT (Any colour you like, so long as it's gold)
> LJ GTR-XU1 (In Chāteau Mauve with sprintmasters, but that's only because
> that's what mine was :)
> HQ Coupe.
> HG Monaro 350 (in burnt orange thank you very much)
> EF Falcon.
> R series Valiant (liked it much better than the more common S)
> AP6 Valiant V8
> HR Holden.
> XD Falcon.
> VT Commodore.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
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>
Gazza
all about the 1974 London/Sahara/Munich rally. If it wasn't for a tiny
little navigation error (getting lost in the middle of the desert)
Green's P76 could have won.They were leading the rally when they got
lost.
A bloody good read
Gazza
Noddy
<OzOneonOne> wrote in message
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> Weren't they a copy of the Holden 6
Far from it.
> XC ute with the GS pack and GT engine option.
> Black and beautiful!
> 351,LSD,4speed and discs allround. Selbys did a set of springs,bars
> and shocks, and I fitted a set of Globe alloys and Kelly Springfields.
Now that would tow better than any P-76 I expect :)
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Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
<OzOneonOne> wrote in message
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> Wasn't that about the time that manufacturers started to realise that
> people wanted more..didn't RTS
> arrive about then?
A few years afterwards, but not too far away, yeah.
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Noddy.
Noddy
"Katharine & Paul" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com.au> wrote in message
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> Can any new car carry a 44 gallon drum??
Any new car with a *towbar* can....
Still, why you would want to be carrying a 44 gallon drum in the boot of a
sedan is beyond me. Then and now...
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Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
"Gazza" <gaz...@UPU2optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Get hold of a copy of Evan Green's book 'A BOOT FULL OF RIGHT ARMS'
> all about the 1974 London/Sahara/Munich rally. If it wasn't for a tiny
> little navigation error (getting lost in the middle of the desert)
> Green's P76 could have won.They were leading the rally when they got
> lost.
> A bloody good read
Evan Green was a fucking knob end, and the man most directly responsible for
the fact that there's *not* a 175mph 1974 Falcon parked in my garage :)
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Regards,
Noddy.
Justin Thyme
<OzOne> wrote in message news:vsond055kqgfa5n3g...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:58:17 +1000, "Greg Stewart"
>
> about all the faults and problems they have.....
So your drawing a similarity between the Magna and P76? I guess there is a
bit in common - butt ugly, reputation for crap quality, and made by a
company that is on the verge of going belly up.
Patrick Young
> "Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:<40db5513$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>...
>>The car appeared in print and tv adds with a 44 gallon drum in the boot,
> Ah, that explains it.
>>but no explanation of why the fuck you'd want to carry one with you....
It's not a bad idea. Put a diesel in the thing and you would be able
to drive a long distance ;-)
Oh, for other uses?...
Since they were doing the adds, they should have had optional
factory extras such as a rack to hold the drum, and some sort
of hoist to insert and remove it from the vehicle.
> Especially these days with people buying suit utes and cringing at the
> idea of putting anything in the back other than cotton wool.
I'd put one in mine, on the carpet of course. You know - that washable
boat carpet that dries out in no time? No way I'd directly put anything
on the painted sheet metal. Destroying something for no reason when 20
bux of carpet is all it takes makes no sense.
Damo, that kinda relates to the biodiesel:
Today I had a 20 litre drum of used cooking oil in there (I just about
tripped over it on the way to the car park at work, one of the campus
fast food joints left it in the recycle area next to the car park).
It must be an omen!... this weekend it happens - I've got the methanol,
pipette, graduated cylinder, still need some scales to weigh out the NaOH.
Drove home _very_ carefully as I had nothing to tie it down
with. Yup, I don't want dents in the tray of my pickup :-(,
*or* it wearing that stuff...
GACK! the smell of it is disgusting - just about puked,
worse than canned cat food.
Some parts of this I'm _not_ going to enjoy.
Morris Syzlak
<OzOneonOne> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:52:59 GMT, "Justin Thyme"
> <pleasedo...@nowhere.com> scribbled thusly:
It's reputation?
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For the HZ, due owners complaints of massive and overtly incurable
understeer. The HX was for some reason a lot worse. Cabbies were reduced to
doing U turns in reverse if they wanted more than a week out of the front
left tyre. No kidding.
And the steering arms from them and some angle changes on HQ made them a
decent steer.
But still not a patch on P76:-)
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> Yep, the usual.....sorta like that girl in school that lots of guys
> supposedly fucked then one of em found that she was a virgin still.
Nah, that's wishful thinking.
Else more likely *everybody's* bullshitting.
D Walford
>
> >Leyland were the wrong people to be building any car. A P76 built by the
> >Japanese at the time would have been a killer. Anything built by Leyland
> >was guaranteed to be a disaster.
>
> mercilessly and never had a problem, a Morris 1100S (with the 1275
> engine) which was a great little car compared to the others in its
> class, and an Austin 1800 which cruised better than many a modern car
> and never let me down.
> Oh and we had an 1800 ute for light delivery work. It was perfect for
> that job.
>
Weren't they pre Leyland?
What year did Leyland take over BMC, late 60's?
I remember a distinct difference between pre and post Leyland Austins,
Minis, MG's etc.
My wife had a Mk1 Austin 1800 and whilst it had its problems IMO it was
a far better car than the Holdens and Falcons of its day.
Daryl
D Walford
>
> <OzOne> wrote in message news:s0pnd054v2ouvs3dl...@4ax.com...
>
> > Damn Noddy, they were a product of their age....look at the other cars
> > that they were XA Falcons and HQ Holdens....both ill handling barges.
>
> By degrees.
>
> The HQ wasn't so bad, while the XA was significantly worse. The P-76 was
> somewhere in between them with better steering than both. noticeably better
> in fact.
>
It would have to be bloody bad to be worse than a HQ.
The company I worked for had a fleet of HQ panelvans used as field
service vehicles.
They used fuel like a badly tuned V8 and had as much power as a 4cyl
running on 3.
They were flat out getting to 140kph.
At least half the fleet of approx 30 had major engine failures at less
than 100,000klms (usually pistons) and the tranmissions didn't last
long.
They weren't exactly treated kindly but they certainly were a POS that
couldn't take a bit of hard work.
Daryl
John McKenzie
>
> "Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:<40dada07$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>...
> > "Adam" <diespammer...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:40dad540$0$18195
> > >
> > > boot big enough to fit a 44 gallon drum
> > >
> >
> > Is it just me, or is everyone who thinks the P-76 had some redeeming
> > features too young to have remembered it properly?
>
> The thing I often wonder about P-76s is did they advertise this "44
> gallon drum in the boot" in their sales brochures, or did everyone
> back then have a need to carry around 44 gallon drums?
>
> fit a 44 in the boot.
I've said it before, and I maintain that this was an attempt to market
the car to serial killers. They just could put '44 gallon drum filled
with lime etc'
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Ron the Barbarian
@dnews.tpgi.com.au:
>
> <OzOneonOne> wrote in message
> news:2h2od0lptssj1tlta...@4ax.com...
>
>> Weren't they a copy of the Holden 6
>
> Far from it.
Shit, they were not THAT crude!
Ron the Barbarian
>
> <OzOne> wrote in message
> news:26ond0h6pj6k39olu...@4ax.com...
>
>> Because it was released a year or so before it was due.
>> My brother owned a P76 Exec (exec actually meant a luxo version back
>> then) V8.
>> It drove superbly and towed my race cars and trailer without even
>> blinking.
>
> Shit, he was lucky.
>
> Most of the V8's had overheating problems, oil leaks and head gasket
> issues. A great many also rattled their brains out and had terrible
> ring seal dramas as well (an issue that's largely dogged the little
> buick, er I mean Rover for years).
Christ are you still on about Chev engines... LOL
> The 6 cylinder's wouldn't pull your cock :)
Made of strong slippery steel, no doubt..
Ron the Barbarian
>
> <OzOne> wrote in message
> news:s0pnd054v2ouvs3dl...@4ax.com...
>
>> Damn Noddy, they were a product of their age....look at the other
>> cars that they were XA Falcons and HQ Holdens....both ill handling
>> barges.
>
> By degrees.
>
> The HQ wasn't so bad, while the XA was significantly worse. The P-76
> was somewhere in between them with better steering than both.
> noticeably better in fact.
>
Only to you Oddnod, the XA actually had some curves and shape, not as
boring as the HQ and not as radical as the P76.
Ron the Barbarian
news:40DC58B6...@iprimus.com.au:
You forgot, harsh ride as well :-)
Graham W
OzOneonOne wrote:
> Weren't they a copy of the Holden 6
No. They could hardly have been more different in their day.
They were a 6 cylinder version of the 1750cc 4 cylinder E series
overhead cam motor. The 1500cc version of the E series was used in the
Morris 1500. Both the fours and the six were also used in the Marina.
Graham W
>>The HQ wasn't so bad, while the XA was significantly worse. The P-76
>>was somewhere in between them with better steering than both.
>>noticeably better in fact.
Ron the Barbarian wrote:
> Only to you Oddnod, the XA actually had some curves and shape, not as
> boring as the HQ and not as radical as the P76.
Given that Noddy was talking about their handling, I can't really see
the significance of your comment. Or were you just looking for an
opportunity to tell him he's wrong by deleting any reference to handling
and then having a go at him on the basis of the looks of the XA?
Noddy
"D Walford" <wal...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:40DC58B6...@iprimus.com.au...
> It would have to be bloody bad to be worse than a HQ.
> The company I worked for had a fleet of HQ panelvans used as field
> service vehicles.
> They used fuel like a badly tuned V8 and had as much power as a 4cyl
> running on 3.
> They were flat out getting to 140kph.
> At least half the fleet of approx 30 had major engine failures at less
> than 100,000klms (usually pistons) and the tranmissions didn't last
> long.
> They weren't exactly treated kindly but they certainly were a POS that
> couldn't take a bit of hard work.
Must have been 202's, as a bunch of those early ones suffered from piston
failure.
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Noddy.
RVi
>
> I like the P76, and would buy one myself. I still think it is ugly though
You have a fetish for punishment ? just hire a dominatrixe wearing a P76
badge to beat you until your head caves in.
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Ron the Barbarian
@news.alphalink.com.au:
Ah missed that, I thought he was on about looks AGAIN!!!
Ron the Barbarian
> On 25 Jun 2004 22:13:21 GMT, Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy> scribbled
> thusly:
> Ya keep looking at the packaging Wan...it's what's underneath that
> counts.
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
>
"Plonk" again....
Ron the barbarian
"Ron the Barbarian" <Newsguy> wrote in message
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Sorry Noddy, I did'nt read you staement properly
D Walford
Correct, 202 plus traumatic trans, not a happy combination in a van
loaded to near max capacity.
Daryl
D Walford
I don't think Noddy was refering to the XA's shape, the XA's reputation
was worse than the HQ especially in the handling dept and they were not
known for their quality.
Daryl
Ron the Barbarian
I realised that when Graham pointed it out, and have apologies to Noddy
:-)
Justin Thyme
<OzOneonOne> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:52:59 GMT, "Justin Thyme"
> <pleasedo...@nowhere.com> scribbled thusly:
>
> >
reputation is deserved, but there is no argument that they do have a
_reputation_ for being crap.
So I take it you agree with me on the other two points then?
Diesel Damo
> I'd put one in mine, on the carpet of course. You know - that washable
> boat carpet that dries out in no time? No way I'd directly put anything
> on the painted sheet metal. Destroying something for no reason when 20
> bux of carpet is all it takes makes no sense.
Mine had already had a bit of a hard life by the time I bought the
vehicle with a touch over 200,000 kays on it.
> Today I had a 20 litre drum of used cooking oil in there (I just about
> tripped over it on the way to the car park at work, one of the campus
> fast food joints left it in the recycle area next to the car park).
Woohoo!
> It must be an omen!
Damn right.
> GACK! the smell of it is disgusting - just about puked,
I've heard that from a few people =)
> worse than canned cat food.
First you don't like kebabs, and now canned cat food? ;-)
> Some parts of this I'm _not_ going to enjoy.
It'll be worth it in the end!
Diesel Damo
> Evan Green was a fucking knob end, and the man most directly responsible for
> the fact that there's *not* a 175mph 1974 Falcon parked in my garage :)
My Dad grumbles whenever his name is mentioned. Evan Green is like the
forefather of the sensationalist, ill-informed current affair shows.
I was born in 1974, so I don't know much about the whole thing myself,
but yeah, my Dad says Evan Green is the one who scared all the
manufacturers out of making their "animal machines". e.g. 308ed Torana
with Bathurst in mind.
Diesel Damo
> Still, why you would want to be carrying a 44 gallon drum in the boot of a
> sedan is beyond me. Then and now...
Indeed. And as Ron pointed out, if it's full, the number of people
you'd need to help you lift it out wouldn't fit around the car.
Patrick Young
> Patrick Young <pat...@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> wrote in message news:<2k2mbcF...@uni-berlin.de>...
>
> vehicle with a touch over 200,000 kays on it.
Mine came with around 15,500km back in 1992. There were a couple
of small scratches already that pissed me off :-(
>>GACK! the smell of it is disgusting - just about puked,
> I've heard that from a few people =)
>>worse than canned cat food.
> First you don't like kebabs, and now canned cat food? ;-)
Oh, no - barf material. Friend of mine sometimes makes sure to
open a tin of some fish content cat food when I'm around to see
me run outside.
>>Some parts of this I'm _not_ going to enjoy.
> It'll be worth it in the end!
I'm just interested to see what happens. All the materials are
present...
http://www.fce.unsw.edu.au/people/py_stuff/biod/items.jpg
It's obviously dark now, even the 500 watt self ballasted mercury
vapour lamp does not make a difference.
I'm going to build a jig for the mixer now...
Kieron
<dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
><OzOne> wrote in message news:mapnd0dd64ihfqcl6...@4ax.com...
>
>> Leyland was in dire straits in 1973.
>> It rushed the P76....Project (19)76 out to try and save its arse.
>> They stuffed up, the car just wasn't ready for release and spelled the
>> end of Leyland.
>
>It was never going to be a winning car, even if the many bugs could have
>been ironed out.
Yep, it needed a Ford or Holden badge. Same reason why the Magna today
will never win.
Noddy
"Kieron" <kiero...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40dfc5e5...@reader.news.telstra.net...
> Yep, it needed a Ford or Holden badge. Same reason why the Magna today
> will never win.
The current magna, sure, as it's a very unattractive car, but that's really
the only fault it has.
The previous model was quite a good looking car in my humble opinion, and
the only thing it suffered from was "fwd syndrome".
Ignorance is bliss to some people...
--
Regards,
Noddy.
RVi
>
> Ignorance is bliss to some people...
God damn it how many times I hate to tell you all a no V8 no car deal
for me. :-)
Then again I don't want to be pesty. :-)
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Dan.
feral
> The previous model was quite a good looking car in my humble opinion, and
> the only thing it suffered from was "fwd syndrome".
>
> Ignorance is bliss to some people...
>
Hey you, lay of us poor FWD owners. :-)
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Ron the Barbarian
news:40dfce6c$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au:
Yep, you said it..
Forg
...
>>> It rushed the P76....Project (19)76
>>> out to try and save its arse.
>>> They stuffed up, the car just wasn't
>>> ready for release and spelled the
>>> end of Leyland.
>> It was never going to be a winning car,
>> even if the many bugs could have
>> been ironed out.
> Yep, it needed a Ford or Holden badge.
> Same reason why the Magna today will
> never win.
No, Magna today will never win because the length of a purchaser's
memory on prior product quality is directly proportional to how much
money the puchaser must spend. Cars being such expensive propositions,
it's not hard for most buyers to remember back even only 10 years, when
Magnas were unreliable nasty pooboxes that plonked their owners
smack-being into an expensive world of hurt.
There was a lot of enthusiasm for the Magna when first released in 1985,
despite the fact that it wasn't a performance car ... the fact that it
was so unreliable has soured the Magna thing for MrBishi for nearly 20
years.
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> Kia Rio - it looks like an egg on wheels..
>
> NewcastleBoy
I think a lot of cars look different good/bad depending on the colour
The Rio looks ok in that blue
The new Magna looks ok in all red Ed Odynski special edition
Not that i would consider either
CDIHL
Ron the Barbarian
@news.kooee.com.au:
> Kia Rio - it looks like an egg on wheels..
>
> NewcastleBoy
Still not as bad as the new Magna!