supra gearboxes. w55-w58
mav
After reading through the google archives for this group on info about
supra boxes i found a few mentions of the w58 boxes being a bit
stronger than the w55. Ive read that at quite a few different places
too as im looking for one to put behind a 308. I rang dellow trying
to find one and got talking about it and they said there is no
difference between the 2 other than the ratios and he said he gets
alot of people thinking the w58's are stronger. the w55 and w58's do
cost the same form dellow too.
Anyone know why its so common on the net to say that the w58's are
stroger ?
ps anyone know where to buy a supra turbo box ? ive tried dellow
castlemaine rod shop and mal wood, none of them have that one or the
w58 boxes.
Candy
than the 55 which apparently was the one in the hilux celica's (only a
"think" here)
"mav" <mave...@noway.com> wrote in message
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_Scott_
STAY AWAY FROM DELLOWS!!!
This guys are shonks, Try castlemaine rod shop www.rodshop.com.au these guys
know what they are on about give good practical advise and back up their
products with service.
cheers
Scott
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Rainbow Warrior
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I think it may end in tears, unless you're
planning to be easy on the box, I think you should install it with wingnuts
& velcro and keep a spare in the boot. Heard they went OK behind a Holden 6,
but the 2 guy's I knew with them behind V8's (one was only a warm 253 in a
ute) trashed the guts of reco Celica/Supra boxes too easily after a few
months of abuse, just hard acceleration, no too many burnouts required.
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
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John McKenzie
>
> ok im wondering if someone might be able to clear something up for me.
> After reading through the google archives for this group on info about
> supra boxes i found a few mentions of the w58 boxes being a bit
> stronger than the w55. Ive read that at quite a few different places
> too as im looking for one to put behind a 308. I rang dellow trying
> to find one and got talking about it and they said there is no
> difference between the 2 other than the ratios and he said he gets
> alot of people thinking the w58's are stronger. the w55 and w58's do
> cost the same form dellow too.
A discussion a while ago on the torana mailing list suggested that the
w57 was the number for the stronger supra box. But then I was lead to
believe that these were all early supra or supra boxes - and that the
real McCoy was a later model turbo supra box. I'd also heard (forget
where) that Rod Hadfield held this (as yet still not indentified by
myself other than the two distinguishing features I am told - that being
the cost - twice that of the other supra boxes, and being about an extra
30% larger externally) box in such high regard that he offered a free
replacement if anyone could actually manage to break it inside a year.
Since then, a couple of people on that list (perhaps it was you?) have
indicated that they've busted supra boxes too easily, and in one report,
when they contacted Hadfield his response was along the lines of "heh,
I'm suprised it even lasted that long" - so frankly I currently have no
fucking idea what the real story is.
Re Dellow and Rod Hadfield. Depending on who you listen to, either one
of them is completely fucking incompetent, and the other is gold (and
the split is about 50 50 as to whether they think Rod or Dellow are
shit). I think the thing to consider is that neither of them are perfect
- nothing is 100% written in stone. If you get bellhousings etc from
either of them I'd still take the time to mount the box without the
spigot bush, clutch or pressure plate, then attach a dial indicator to
the crank tail and check to see if there is runout and the box is not
properly aligned. I haven't seen one that is drilled off centre, but I'd
check it and use offset dowels if need be.
I haven't personally had any contact with him, but a few people have
indicated that Mal Wood in Queensland is a really professional and
competant operator. In the post you mention that he has no supra turbo
boxes. I'd suggest some phone time talking to him about the specifics of
the supra range, and also what other suitable 5 speed options are
available.
I posted this in the torana forum, and stand by it. If a 4 speed would
be ok, I'd strongly suggest (but an adapter plate may proove to be very
costly as to my knowledge none exist - there were a few made in the US
for chev SB - is your 308 th pattern or trimatic?) the mopar a-833 4
speed. The early one is the pick. The later one has a 1:1 3rd gear and
overdrive 4th, it also is a weaker case and weaker overall. But the
early one is bulletproof. According to a very reliable US guy on the
jyturbo list, the a-833 internals are fucking huge. You can actually
pass toploader gears through the synchro cones of an a-833. They were
used by the factory behind big block (wedge and hemi) mopar engines -
and managed the task - even with modified drag engines - quite
admirably.
It won't be a dirt cheap option - but if a 4 speed is acceptable, and
you want a manual (an auto would be a viable option, but they aren't to
everyones liking)
> Anyone know why its so common on the net to say that the w58's are
> stroger ?
see above. I've never suggested the std boxes are super dooper. The
positive perception I have of the supra boxes was solely at this
seemingly unobtainable late turbo supra box (as I said now I don't know
what the fuck to think).
> ps anyone know where to buy a supra turbo box ? ive tried dellow
> castlemaine rod shop and mal wood, none of them have that one or the
> w58 boxes.
Check out the various importers - probably more likely to be found
advertising in Zoom, or 4 cylinder and rotary mags rather than street
machine.....First determine exactly what the box is designated and what
specific cars it was factory fitted to. Then track down the appropriate
version through wrecker/importers.
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Chookbanger
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> Hi I cant advise you about your gear box but I can advise you on this,
>
> STAY AWAY FROM DELLOWS!!!
>
> This guys are shonks, Try castlemaine rod shop www.rodshop.com.au these
guys
> know what they are on about give good practical advise and back up their
> products with service.
>
> cheers
> Scott
Funny, I had a shit of a time putting the 5 speed into my 308 ute.
Couldn't for the life of me suss out the crossmember/gearbox mount.
Scratched my head for days over it, then called Dellow. Problem solved in 2
minutes over the phone, then picked up the mount that I needed.
A mate of mine has also had a bit to do with them and he would give them a
wrap as well..
Spoke to Mal Wood Automotive at the same time and they wanted about 3 times
what it cost me at Dellow. (They wanted to sell me a complete fabricated
crossmember rather than the modified gearbox mount I got from Delllow).
Haven't had anything to do with Hadfield, but have heard the same negative
and positive stories.
Cheers
Chook
Jason James
>
> STAY AWAY FROM DELLOWS!!!
>
> This guys are shonks, Try castlemaine rod shop www.rodshop.com.au these
guys
> know what they are on about give good practical advise and back up their
> products with service.
>
> cheers
> Scott
I tried just talking to a place in Sydney called (roughly) 'transmission
conversions' or similar, and it wasn't awe inspiring. He quoted about $2000
to put in a 5spd toyota box (type unknown) into the 351 sedan...ok, but then
said: they now had 'all problems sorted out' and 'especially the clutch
operation'.
I stuck with the FMX.
Hasten to add, another guy driving a converted LTD V8, saidhe got all his
parts from Dellow and it went to-gether fine,...go figure,..some conv
obviously more popular than others I guess, so all the bugs are ironed out.
Jason
Andrew
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I think thats it -- If you go with something thats a popular conversion then
someone else has done all the R&D in the past so now its all easy sailing.
If you go with something a bit new then your normaly the poor mug who gets
to pay for the workshops R&D as you go backwards and forwards having
the bugs ironed out...
As far as 5speed boxes go if you want something strong you can get a
brand new Tremec TKO for a very reasonable cost..
mav
>I think thats it -- If you go with something thats a popular conversion then
>someone else has done all the R&D in the past so now its all easy sailing.
>
>If you go with something a bit new then your normaly the poor mug who gets
>to pay for the workshops R&D as you go backwards and forwards having
>the bugs ironed out...
>
>As far as 5speed boxes go if you want something strong you can get a
>brand new Tremec TKO for a very reasonable cost..
>
>
i asked about tremec boxes and mal wood quoted me somewhere around
$5300 for the cheaper tr-3550 and conversion kit, which i cant afford
unfortunately.
Do you know of anywhere that sells them at a better price ?
D Walford
Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
> Forgive me if I'm wrong but I think it may end in tears, unless you're
> planning to be easy on the box, I think you should install it with wingnuts
> & velcro and keep a spare in the boot. Heard they went OK behind a Holden 6,
> but the 2 guy's I knew with them behind V8's (one was only a warm 253 in a
> ute) trashed the guts of reco Celica/Supra boxes too easily after a few
> months of abuse, just hard acceleration, no too many burnouts required.
>
A mates son has a Celica 5spd(don't know which model) behind a modified
253 in a LH Torana hatch and so far he hasn't managed to break it
despite destroying 2 diffs a clutch and several sets of rear tyres.
The gearbox seems to be the only thing he can't break:-)
Daryl
Rob
than a 253 anchor ever will and weighs more to boot.
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Rob
its a getrag, its bullshit tough, 5th is 1:1 unlike some other 6 speeds I
could mention....pretty pricey though, about $2000 I believe but tough.
should cope with up to 500-600hp easy.
The next one down is err, R154 I think it is or something like that from the
jza70 supra...I can't remember exactly sorry.
Also the W58 was in the easly jza80's before the went 6speed, they were
making 330hp and if you try someone like SSS Automotive in sydney they
should be able to get you any of the above boxes and tell you which is
better exactly. SSS: (02) 9896 6111 or (02) 9636 4301
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Rainbow Warrior
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> don't know what that person was doing as a supra puts out a lot morepwoer
> than a 253 anchor ever will and weighs more to boot.
Torque may be the problem, but it was probably also the application of the
said pulling the increased weight over a Supra with a 20y.o.'s Victor Bray
ambitions.
--
D Walford
Rainbow Warrior wrote:
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> "Rob" <bo...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> > don't know what that person was doing as a supra puts out a lot morepwoer
> > than a 253 anchor ever will and weighs more to boot.
>
> Torque may be the problem, but it was probably also the application of the
> said pulling the increased weight over a Supra with a 20y.o.'s Victor Bray
> ambitions.
>
> --
>
I mentioned earlier in this thread that a mates son hasn't been able to
break the Celica box in his Torana despite breaking everything else.
Looks like I spoke too soon, a bearing failed on Sunday causing lots of
damage.
Daryl
Rob
that a 253 is going to go into. They start at 1580kg and run to 1620kg with
the tems fitted.
And how much torgue is a 253 going to put out?? I wouldn't have thought
there would be that much.
But the 20yo Vic bray ambitions is probably the most accurate!!
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