Colerado or Hilux
Scotty
options but seeing as I dont pay for fuel Id prefer the petrol)
has anyone got any feed back in regards to either of these vehicles? Im in a 2.7 Hilux at the
moment and my last one was an 06 Rodeo Alloytech V6 which I found to be quite good.
With me doing around 60,000 kms a year Id prefer to have comfort and safety over power. (Power comes
an extremely close 2nd to saftey actually)
Its a lease vehicle so tyres and maintanance are not an issue, its room, ergonomics and drivability
that Im keen on hearing about.
We dont get to drive em before we order them so its a blind choise. Im steering towards the Hilux
due to favourism but as its been three years since I had the Rodeo Id love to know how the Colerados
go and behave as well.
Any feedback or comments most welcome please, good or bad.
Scotty
Noddy
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> We dont get to drive em before we order them so its a blind choise. Im
> steering towards the Hilux
> due to favourism but as its been three years since I had the Rodeo Id love
> to know how the Colerados
> go and behave as well.
Personally I'd lean towards the Isuzu as I think they make a great vehicle
while the Hi-lux is incredibly over-rated, but it may be worth your while to
take a trip to a couple of dealerships and just have a test drive as an
interested "private buyer".
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Noddy.
Clocky
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The current RC Colorado is the essentially same as the '06 RA apart from
some cosmetic differences and it's now made by GM-(Daewoo according to some
of the transit information left if the cars when they get to the dealer) and
not Isuzu..
We haven't had too many problems with the RC V6 except for pissweak
clutches, and they are a decent ride but I personally would go for a Hilux
again if I were to replace my current 2.7 '04 one which has been
faultless.Best you take a roadtest of both before deciding which way to go
if comfort is your main concern.
hippo
Worth trying to rent both for a weekend each and put some serious ks up?
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Dave
<pulv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Neither!
>
>Go sit in/on the back seat of the newset model of the Mitsubishi
>Triton dual-cab, its EASILY the best of the lot.
>
>Most kit and safety together with best warranty in the industry
Didn't it win a best-of-utes competition earlier this year?
Brad
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Pity they're butt ugly ;-)
Front struts of the Hilux aren't great but the rest of the front end seems
to hold up.
Nissan front ends are a real worry if you are on bad roads, but if looked
after, drive well. (D22 3L non turbo)
Mitsubishi aren't too bad but the new model looks awful, much prefer the
Mazda.
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>
Noddy
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> Go sit in/on the back seat of the newset model of the Mitsubishi
> Triton dual-cab, its EASILY the best of the lot.
Actually, the best of the lot is the V6 Navara, and by a very long way.
Brilliant engine, great build quality and a car like ride. The downside is
that it's also the most expensive.
The Triton is okay, but it's nothing brilliant compared to any of the other
also rans. It's also the ugliest of the bunch in my opinion, which is no
mean feat in itself considering how ugly the Hi-Lux is :)
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Clocky
"PaulpULVITZKA" <pulv...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Neither!
Go sit in/on the back seat of the newset model of the Mitsubishi
Triton dual-cab, its EASILY the best of the lot.
Good ute but it fucking ugly as sin. Navara is better anyway.
Clocky
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The previous model is fuck-ugly, but the new one looks pretty good to me.
hippo
The Triton looks like a wombat from the front, but as a vehicle it's ok.
Was it the last Pajero that looked like a Koala? I don't know what animal
the 380 looked like, but either it's long extinct too, or the designers
were on drugs. Cheers
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Scotty
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: "Scotty" <sco...@warmmail.com> wrote in message
:
Isnt the Isuzu a D-Max?
Scotty
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Stuff that Work is paying for it not me! I may go the dealer route of "Test Drive" each of them as
suggested.
Scotty
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Neither!
Go sit in/on the back seat of the newset model of the Mitsubishi
Triton dual-cab, its EASILY the best of the lot.
Most kit and safety together with best warranty in the industry
No brainer choice!
Small bets for the SSanngyong double cab, not bad, but a Korean
orphan, heaps of metal for the dough and also great back seat........
Cheers
id rather put my head in a Vice thanks. Ive NEVER had a good run with the Mitsis. The new range may
be okay but Ive the choice of the two mentioned.
D Walford
How are they over rated?
IMO if they have a fault its that they too expensive yet despite that
they out sell every other Jap ute by a big margin and that tells me most
buyers disagree with you.
I've been hearing some horror stories about Nissan's lately from
business owners, one local electrician bought 3 new Navara's and they
were so unreliable they spent more time in the workshop than on the road.
I've driven over 800,000klms in Isuzu trucks and whilst they have been
generally reliable they are very ordinary to drive, I don't know how the
trucks compare to their utes but since they are built by the same
company I doubt there is any outstanding about them.
This week I've been driving a new (less than 200klm on the odo when I
picked it up) Isuzu 900, its got a "AMT" (automated manual trans) and
the trans is bloody awful, it can't make up its mind what gear it needs
to be in, I was driving up a steep hill in Bright and it was struggling
so badly it almost stalled and started to roll backwards, I had to shift
into manual mode and red line the engine just to get up the hill, its an
8 tonne truck and it had less than 3 tonne on board so I hate to think
how bad it would be fully loaded.
On the plus side its got the best drivers seat I've ever sat in so its
quite comfortable and the A/C also works well.
Daryl
D Walford
> "PaulpULVITZKA" <pulv...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Go sit in/on the back seat of the newset model of the Mitsubishi
>> Triton dual-cab, its EASILY the best of the lot.
>
> Actually, the best of the lot is the V6 Navara, and by a very long way.
> Brilliant engine, great build quality and a car like ride. The downside is
> that it's also the most expensive.
I looked at Navara's before I bought mine and the sales manager of our
local Nissan dealer (older brother of a bloke I work with) said he
wouldn't sell me a petrol version mainly because they are extremely thirsty.
All the Navara's I've price have been cheaper than the equivalent Hilux,
I could have bought a 4WD dual cab Nissan TD for about the same money as
the 2WD dual cab TD Hilux.
Daryl
D Walford
ordered new utes recently.
One Commodore SSV, one Commodore SS, one Commodore SV6 and one XR6.
As far as I can tell the main reason for buying local was the cheaper
price except for the SSV.
My son said he's thinking of trading his VE SS ute on a 4WD SR5 Hilux
and one of the reason's is he's had enough of the Holden's poor build
quality, its only 1yr old but the interior is already falling to pieces,
his other SS ute (VU) spends more time in the workshop than on the road
and its only done 120,000klms.
Daryl
Noddy
"D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> How are they over rated?
They offer the least value for money in the Jap ute range, and they're
simply not any better than anything else or not anywhere near as good as
their reputation makes them out to be. That's not to say that they're bad,
just not the brilliant indestructable ute that most people have been conned
into thinking they are.
> IMO if they have a fault its that they too expensive yet despite that they
> out sell every other Jap ute by a big margin and that tells me most buyers
> disagree with you.
All that suggests to me is that most people automatically assume that the
Hi-lux is the "thing to have" if a jap ute is what you're after, and most
buyers probably never sat their arse in anything else to see what they could
have for their money.
The VW Beetle is the world's most popular car, and while it was okay it was
far from stellar.
> I've been hearing some horror stories about Nissan's lately from business
> owners, one local electrician bought 3 new Navara's and they were so
> unreliable they spent more time in the workshop than on the road.
> I've driven over 800,000klms in Isuzu trucks and whilst they have been
> generally reliable they are very ordinary to drive, I don't know how the
> trucks compare to their utes but since they are built by the same company
> I doubt there is any outstanding about them.
That's just the thing. There's nothing outstanding about *any* of them,
which makes the price premium people pay for Toyota's seem more than a
little odd. Especially when they're oblivious to the alternatives and what
you get for your money.
> This week I've been driving a new (less than 200klm on the odo when I
> picked it up) Isuzu 900, its got a "AMT" (automated manual trans) and the
> trans is bloody awful, it can't make up its mind what gear it needs to be
> in, I was driving up a steep hill in Bright and it was struggling so badly
> it almost stalled and started to roll backwards, I had to shift into
> manual mode and red line the engine just to get up the hill, its an 8
> tonne truck and it had less than 3 tonne on board so I hate to think how
> bad it would be fully loaded.
Sounds like fun :)
> On the plus side its got the best drivers seat I've ever sat in so its
> quite comfortable and the A/C also works well.
Nice.
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Noddy.
Noddy
> I looked at Navara's before I bought mine and the sales manager of our
> local Nissan dealer (older brother of a bloke I work with) said he
> wouldn't sell me a petrol version mainly because they are extremely
> thirsty.
I know a blke with a current model V6 "poofta" version crew cab (the
"poofta" version is the one with the alloy wheels and all the bling that the
"work" models don't have) and he gets around the same shitfully bad mileage
as my 3.5 Rodeo. The difference is that his engine makes around 30kw more
power.
> All the Navara's I've price have been cheaper than the equivalent Hilux, I
> could have bought a 4WD dual cab Nissan TD for about the same money as the
> 2WD dual cab TD Hilux.
Just goes to show you how over-rated Toyota's really are :)
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Regards,
Noddy.
Dan----
>>
> Interesting that 3 of the electricians and 1 supervisor at work have
> ordered new utes recently.
> One Commodore SSV, one Commodore SS, one Commodore SV6 and one XR6.
> As far as I can tell the main reason for buying local was the cheaper
> price except for the SSV.
> My son said he's thinking of trading his VE SS ute on a 4WD SR5 Hilux and
> one of the reason's is he's had enough of the Holden's poor build quality,
> its only 1yr old but the interior is already falling to pieces, his other
> SS ute (VU) spends more time in the workshop than on the road and its only
> done 120,000klms.
After we get rid of the Territory wont be buying another locally built car
again although I have no issues with the new HSV wagon though but its not
used as a daily driver and be keeping it for some time but keep the mileage
low if I can but I enjoy driving it too much. :-p
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Regards
Dan
Dan----
>
> The Triton is okay, but it's nothing brilliant compared to any of the
> other also rans. It's also the ugliest of the bunch in my opinion, which
> is no mean feat in itself considering how ugly the Hi-Lux is :)
The Triton is a vile looking thing the designer should of been shot but the
Navara is a decent piece of kit though.
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Regards
Dan
D Walford
> "D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>
>> How are they over rated?
>
> They offer the least value for money in the Jap ute range,
Least value for money?
I'd say the opposite is true, the value is their better than any other
reliability and better resale.
and they're
> simply not any better than anything else or not anywhere near as good as
> their reputation makes them out to be. That's not to say that they're bad,
> just not the brilliant indestructable ute that most people have been conned
> into thinking they are.
Nothing is indestructible but they are very tough vehicles and in that
respect better than any other Jap ute by a considerable margin.
>
>> IMO if they have a fault its that they too expensive yet despite that they
>> out sell every other Jap ute by a big margin and that tells me most buyers
>> disagree with you.
>
> All that suggests to me is that most people automatically assume that the
> Hi-lux is the "thing to have" if a jap ute is what you're after, and most
> buyers probably never sat their arse in anything else to see what they could
> have for their money.
I talk to a lot of tradies who have owned utes for many years, they keep
buying Hiluxes, if they didn't get great value from them there is no way
they would continue to buy them, tradies like electricians and
carpenters usually aren't car experts but they are smart enough to know
when one make is the best and that is why they continue to buy them
despite them being the most expensive.
>
> The VW Beetle is the world's most popular car, and while it was okay it was
> far from stellar.
Beetles were cheap cars, Hiluxs are far from cheap.
>
>> I've been hearing some horror stories about Nissan's lately from business
>> owners, one local electrician bought 3 new Navara's and they were so
>> unreliable they spent more time in the workshop than on the road.
>> I've driven over 800,000klms in Isuzu trucks and whilst they have been
>> generally reliable they are very ordinary to drive, I don't know how the
>> trucks compare to their utes but since they are built by the same company
>> I doubt there is any outstanding about them.
>
> That's just the thing. There's nothing outstanding about *any* of them,
> which makes the price premium people pay for Toyota's seem more than a
> little odd. Especially when they're oblivious to the alternatives and what
> you get for your money.
Nothing odd about it at all, the experience of very many people says
that they are the best.
>
>> This week I've been driving a new (less than 200klm on the odo when I
>> picked it up) Isuzu 900, its got a "AMT" (automated manual trans) and the
>> trans is bloody awful, it can't make up its mind what gear it needs to be
>> in, I was driving up a steep hill in Bright and it was struggling so badly
>> it almost stalled and started to roll backwards, I had to shift into
>> manual mode and red line the engine just to get up the hill, its an 8
>> tonne truck and it had less than 3 tonne on board so I hate to think how
>> bad it would be fully loaded.
>
> Sounds like fun :)
Especially for the bloke in the ute behind me:-)
Daryl
D Walford
Over priced yes, over rated no.
Daryl
Noddy
> Least value for money?
> I'd say the opposite is true, the value is their better than any other
> reliability and better resale.
Their reliability is no better or worse than anything else, and as far as
"value" goes I'm talking about what you actually get for your money. Of all
the Jap utes, Toyota offers the least for the most coin.
> Nothing is indestructible but they are very tough vehicles and in that
> respect better than any other Jap ute by a considerable margin.
Absolute bullshit. Only someone who's been sucked into believing hype of the
Toyota marketing machine could believe that fairy tale :)
They are no better or worse than anything else they compete against, and
that's true for just about anything Toyota makes today. Toyota has a
reputation for reliable vehicles that was built on stuff they made many
years ago. These days they don't do anything the slightest bit differently
to anyone else, and nothing they make is any better.
> I talk to a lot of tradies who have owned utes for many years, they keep
> buying Hiluxes, if they didn't get great value from them there is no way
> they would continue to buy them, tradies like electricians and carpenters
> usually aren't car experts but they are smart enough to know when one make
> is the best and that is why they continue to buy them despite them being
> the most expensive.
Interesting point.
My old man had commercial vehicles most of his life and like many he stuck
to a particular brand because he had a good run out of them. He had vans,
and was principally a "Toyota" van driver with the Hi-Ace being his weapon
of choice. He simply stuck with Toyota because the very first one he bought
in the late '60's proved to be very reliable and he simply believed that
everything else Toyota made would be similar, and in that line of thinking
he was no different to a lot of other blokes in his field. That all changed
in the late '80's when his Hi-Ace blew a head gasket and he borrowed my old
Mitsubishi Express shitfighter. He actually *liked* the Express and thought
it was a better drive than the Hi-Ace, and from then on until he died he had
nothing else but an L-300 as a work van.
The interesting thing is that like many other tradies when it came time to
update his vehicle at the end of his lease trading up to the next model from
a particular brand was the quickest and easiest thing to do, and so he was
completely oblivious to the alternatives. Once he realised there was more
out there than things with the expensive "T" badge on the front he never
went near a Toyota dealership ever again, and the Mitsubishi's proved *far*
more reliable than any Hi-Ace he ever owned.
A similar thing happened to a mate of mine in QLD who bought a brand new
Hi-lux 2.7 litre single cab tray as his work vehicle. He thought it was
brilliant until he & his family came down here earlier this year to stay
with use for 10 days or so, and while they were here I lent them my Rodeo to
get around in. Within 6 months of getting back to QLD he'd off-loaded the
Toyota and bought a Rodeo and is absolutely over the moon with it.
According to him it snots the Hi-Lux senseless in every way, and I tend to
agree. When I went looking for an 18 month to 2 year old ute some time ago I
didn't have any preference for what it was but after driving a heap of them
the Hi-Lux was the vehicle I least preferred to buy.
> Beetles were cheap cars, Hiluxs are far from cheap.
It depends on what model you're talking about. In the bare bones single cab
market they're on a par with everything else. However once you start piling
on the "bling" they get out of control in a big hurry.
> Nothing odd about it at all, the experience of very many people says that
> they are the best.
If you say so. I think more than anything else it just shows that a hell of
a lot of people are incredibly ignorant of the alternatives available.
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Noddy.
Noddy
> Over priced yes, over rated no.
So, apart from being incredibly expensive, what actually is it about them
that makes them stand out from anything else and justifies the price?
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Noddy.
Clocky
> "D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:00877e70$0$26864$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>
>> Least value for money?
>> I'd say the opposite is true, the value is their better than any
>> other reliability and better resale.
>
> Their reliability is no better or worse than anything else, and as
> far as "value" goes I'm talking about what you actually get for your
> money. Of all the Jap utes, Toyota offers the least for the most coin.
When considering trade-in value, that adds to their overall value and is a
consideration.
>> Nothing is indestructible but they are very tough vehicles and in
>> that respect better than any other Jap ute by a considerable margin.
>
> Absolute bullshit. Only someone who's been sucked into believing hype
> of the Toyota marketing machine could believe that fairy tale :)
I disagree here, it's the reputation forged by years of consistent
ultra-reliable service as a tradies vehicle.
> They are no better or worse than anything else they compete against,
> and that's true for just about anything Toyota makes today. Toyota
> has a reputation for reliable vehicles that was built on stuff they
> made many years ago. These days they don't do anything the slightest
> bit differently to anyone else, and nothing they make is any better.
>
>> I talk to a lot of tradies who have owned utes for many years, they
>> keep buying Hiluxes, if they didn't get great value from them there
>> is no way they would continue to buy them, tradies like electricians
>> and carpenters usually aren't car experts but they are smart enough
>> to know when one make is the best and that is why they continue to
>> buy them despite them being the most expensive.
>
> Interesting point.
>
> My old man had commercial vehicles most of his life and like many he
> stuck to a particular brand because he had a good run out of them. He
> had vans, and was principally a "Toyota" van driver with the Hi-Ace
> being his weapon of choice. He simply stuck with Toyota because the
> very first one he bought in the late '60's proved to be very reliable
> and he simply believed that everything else Toyota made would be
> similar, and in that line of thinking he was no different to a lot of
> other blokes in his field. That all changed in the late '80's when
> his Hi-Ace blew a head gasket and he borrowed my old Mitsubishi
> Express shitfighter. He actually *liked* the Express and thought it
> was a better drive than the Hi-Ace, and from then on until he died he
> had nothing else but an L-300 as a work van.
We had a Hi-Ace camper in the 80's and though it was slow as fuck it only
let us down once when it ran out of fuel. Based on that experience with T my
father bought a Camry and that too has been faultless. It's that kind of
consistency across the range that has earnt Toyota the reputation for
reliability that it thoroughly deserves.
> The interesting thing is that like many other tradies when it came
> time to update his vehicle at the end of his lease trading up to the
> next model from a particular brand was the quickest and easiest thing
> to do, and so he was completely oblivious to the alternatives. Once
> he realised there was more out there than things with the expensive
> "T" badge on the front he never went near a Toyota dealership ever
> again, and the Mitsubishi's proved *far* more reliable than any
> Hi-Ace he ever owned.
You would have rocks in your head to suggest that the L300 is indicative of
the rest of the Mitsubishi range though. Toyota have consistently built
quality and reliable cars over their whole range and for many, many years
and continue to do so.
> A similar thing happened to a mate of mine in QLD who bought a brand
> new Hi-lux 2.7 litre single cab tray as his work vehicle. He thought
> it was brilliant until he & his family came down here earlier this
> year to stay with use for 10 days or so, and while they were here I
> lent them my Rodeo to get around in. Within 6 months of getting back
> to QLD he'd off-loaded the Toyota and bought a Rodeo and is
> absolutely over the moon with it.
I drive different vehicles all the time as you know and bought an '04 2.7
crew cab Hilux because it came up I could have it at a wholesale price and
needed that type of vehicle for some renovations with the ability to carry a
baby in the back if required. It isn't comfortable, but it's done some work
in the last 12 months and it's left me with a sense of confidence that no
other vehicle has ever given me.
> According to him it snots the Hi-Lux senseless in every way, and I
> tend to agree. When I went looking for an 18 month to 2 year old ute
> some time ago I didn't have any preference for what it was but after
> driving a heap of them the Hi-Lux was the vehicle I least preferred
> to buy.
I agree Rodeo/Colorado/D-Max are better to ride in but the mechanicals and
electronics have been consistently pissweak throughout the years. From the
old 2.6L burning valves at 20,000km to the Diesels lucky to last 200,000km,
the thirsty oil sludging 3.5 Petrols, sagging suspension and now the
clutches that can't handle the rated towing load not to mention the awful
Jackaroos that are still haunting GM to this day with their on-going
warranty recalls in relation to the shithouse diesel engines. Isuzu made and
make some very comfortable cars but the mechanicals and electronics have
been consistently ordinary.
>> Beetles were cheap cars, Hiluxs are far from cheap.
>
> It depends on what model you're talking about. In the bare bones
> single cab market they're on a par with everything else. However once
> you start piling on the "bling" they get out of control in a big
> hurry.
>> Nothing odd about it at all, the experience of very many people says
>> that they are the best.
>
> If you say so. I think more than anything else it just shows that a
> hell of a lot of people are incredibly ignorant of the alternatives
> available.
Or they know what is best. I don't think you give people enough credit, if
you want a toy runaround there are better options but if you need to get the
job done they know what works.
Clocky
An unbroken heritage of consistently uber-reliable motor vehicles.
D Walford
> "D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>
>> Least value for money?
>> I'd say the opposite is true, the value is their better than any other
>> reliability and better resale.
>
> Their reliability is no better or worse than anything else, and as far as
> "value" goes I'm talking about what you actually get for your money. Of all
> the Jap utes, Toyota offers the least for the most coin.
>
>> Nothing is indestructible but they are very tough vehicles and in that
>> respect better than any other Jap ute by a considerable margin.
>
> Absolute bullshit. Only someone who's been sucked into believing hype of the
> Toyota marketing machine could believe that fairy tale :)
Wrong, I base what I say on my own experience and the experience of the
many other Hilux owners that I know, Toyota marketing has nothing to do
with anything.
>
> They are no better or worse than anything else they compete against, and
> that's true for just about anything Toyota makes today. Toyota has a
> reputation for reliable vehicles that was built on stuff they made many
> years ago. These days they don't do anything the slightest bit differently
> to anyone else, and nothing they make is any better.
Wrong again, its difficult to find a Hilux owner that's unhappy with
their vehicle, not so with most other makes.
> If you say so. I think more than anything else it just shows that a hell of
> a lot of people are incredibly ignorant of the alternatives available.
Its true that none of the other brands of Jap utes are significantly
inferior to a Hilux, there certainly isn't a lot in it.
I did test drive a Navara and whilst it did have more bling it didn't
IMO drive as well as the Hilux and they seem a lot larger which I don't
need.
The "King cab" Navara looked like a good thing until you look at the
rear seats, I thought the seat in the Xtra Cab Hilux were crap until I
saw the Nissan version, the Hilux also has storage under the rear seats
which the Navara's I looked at didn't have.
As you know I wouldn't have a Mazda for free so that also rules out Ford
leaving the Triton, I did look at the Triton's specs on the net but at
the time they had a lot less power (fixed with the new update) than
anything else and being as ugly as sin didn't help.
I even thought about buying an SS as the power is a bit addictive but
the lack of cabin space turned me off, same reason for not wanting a Falcon.
I did consider many other alternatives before buying the Toyota but
nothing really suited my needs as well.
Daryl
D Walford
Unbreakable:-)
Daryl
D Walford
> I drive different vehicles all the time as you know and bought an '04 2.7
> crew cab Hilux because it came up I could have it at a wholesale price and
> needed that type of vehicle for some renovations with the ability to carry a
> baby in the back if required. It isn't comfortable, but it's done some work
> in the last 12 months and it's left me with a sense of confidence that no
> other vehicle has ever given me.
Confidence is a very good way of putting it, some of the older models
ride and handle like pigs and are generally as rough as guts but tradies
love them because its very rare that they will let them down and in a
work vehicle that's the sort of quality that people want.
One of the blokes at work owns an early 90's Celica, he drives like he
stole it, only puts oil in when the oil light comes on, never gets it
serviced yet the bloody thing won't die, he's the sort of person who
doesn't have a clue how to treat vehicles so his ideal work vehicle is a
Hilux.
Daryl
Scotty
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The fact that they dont fall apart, the interior works for ever and they dont have many external
plastic add ons to make it look better...... amoung other things.
Scotty
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Aparently the Navaras are melting the rear piston with a lot of towing, anyone else heard of this?
Noddy
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> An unbroken heritage of consistently uber-reliable motor vehicles.
A laurel they seem all to keen to rest on these days without doing much else
:)
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Noddy
> Unbreakable:-)
Uh-huh.
You keep on believing that Daz :)
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Noddy.
Noddy
> The fact that they dont fall apart, the interior works for ever and they
> dont have many external
> plastic add ons to make it look better...... amoung other things.
Are you talking about Hi-luxen specifically, or Toyota's in general?
I agree that most Toyota's are incredibly basic, but to say they don't fall
apart is tugging with both hands. They're no different to most other
vehicles in that if they're neglected they'll be problematic.
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What else do they need if they prove it so?
Scotty
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Talking Hiluxes in particular here to try and stay within the OP.
Its pretty rare that any interior part has failed on any Hiluxs, surfs or 4Runners that Ive had.
Worst part for failure has been the older style Fan Resistor packs. Thats been addressed with the
later models.
Ive never had a seat failure, window winder failure light switch failure, oppps wrong sorry, I had a
light switch stalk go on a 1985 4Runner (my previous one) and I managed to pull it apart and clean
the contacts, install relays and problem never came back (Someone had increased the Lamp wattages
and not installed relays)
Electric aerial has gone on my current 4runner (`91), and after a trip to cape york one of the
electric mirrors has stopped working as well.
For the Hiluxes I cant think of any failures that have occured.(Im on my 5th Lux)
If I was having to pay for one Id not bat an eyelid for getting one home over the other brands.
Noddy
> When considering trade-in value, that adds to their overall value and is a
> consideration.
It is.
> I disagree here, it's the reputation forged by years of consistent
> ultra-reliable service as a tradies vehicle.
It's fairly unrealistic in my opinion.
> We had a Hi-Ace camper in the 80's and though it was slow as fuck it only
> let us down once when it ran out of fuel. Based on that experience with T
> my father bought a Camry and that too has been faultless. It's that kind
> of consistency across the range that has earnt Toyota the reputation for
> reliability that it thoroughly deserves.
There's absolutely no doubt that they build a decent vehicle, and while that
applies to everything in their range it's fairly selective in that it
applies more to some vehicles than others. Camrys have always been good
reliable (if somewhat boring) cars, and the Land Cruiser has been the king
of it's class for many years (in my opinion there's nothing else that gets
remotely close). However, at the other end of the scale things ain't so
great, and the Corolla is a good example of that.
Buy a new Corolla today and you get a pretty agricultural little car that
comes with basically nothing. It might be reliable, but it's no more
reliable than anything else in it's class and from what I've seen it isn't
finished any better or any better to drive. The current Mazda 3 or Honda
Civic absolutely shit on the Corolla from a massive altitude yet people fall
all over themselves to buy the dungy little Corolla just fot that "T" badge
on the bonnet.
> You would have rocks in your head to suggest that the L300 is indicative
> of the rest of the Mitsubishi range though.
Absolutely, and I was never doing that.
In my experience Mitsubishi have made great commercials for years that have
been the equal of anything Toyota has made, but their cars leave a bit to be
desired and that "bit" can vary from a little to a lot depending on what
model you're talking about.
> Toyota have consistently built quality and reliable cars over their whole
> range and for many, many years and continue to do so.
I think they had a distinct edge over many competitors years ago, but the
others have caught up and these days there's fuck all in it between many of
them.
> I drive different vehicles all the time as you know and bought an '04 2.7
> crew cab Hilux because it came up I could have it at a wholesale price and
> needed that type of vehicle for some renovations with the ability to carry
> a baby in the back if required. It isn't comfortable, but it's done some
> work in the last 12 months and it's left me with a sense of confidence
> that no other vehicle has ever given me.
Glad you're happy with it.
When I was looking for such a vehicle 18 months or so ago I really couldn't
have cared less about what it was as I think they're all much of a muchness
with each one having their good and bad points. If I had to pick a favourite
it would easily be a Navara V6, as they have a brilliant engine and are a
noticably better drive than all the others. However around these parts good
used low mileage V6 Navara's weren't coming up too often, and when they did
the price tag made a used Hi-Lux look pretty cheap, so the realistic choice
came down to a Hi-lux, a Triton, a Bravo and a Rodeo.
Of that lot I found the seats in the Triton were excellent, but it's engine
was a bit blah and the odd rear cabin shape didn't lend itself to a tray
conversion as well as most of the others. The Bravo was a decent bit of kit
but finding a V6 2wd version was impossible. The Hi-lux had the cheapest
feel, the worst seats and far and away the worst brakes out of the bunch,
and it also had pissy little wheels, a fairly gutless 2.7 engine in the crew
cab and was as ugly as a smacked arse to boot. On the plus side it had an
excellent air conditioner.
In the end the Rodeo proved to be a winner as it has outstanding brakes, a
good engine, a decent quality interior, 16 inch wheels, an LSD as standard,
was an easy tray conversion and is fairly well screwwed together. On the
negative side it has horrendous fuel economy (like any other v6 Jap ute),
the turning circle is appallingly bad (like any other jap crew cab ute),
it's towing capacity could be a bit higher, and it could do with an extra
gear in the auto.
Still, in having said that I rate it better than both the Triton and the
HiLux and on a par with the Bravo. The Navara is in a class of it's own.
> I agree Rodeo/Colorado/D-Max are better to ride in but the mechanicals and
> electronics have been consistently pissweak throughout the years. From the
> old 2.6L burning valves at 20,000km to the Diesels lucky to last
> 200,000km, the thirsty oil sludging 3.5 Petrols, sagging suspension and
> now the clutches that can't handle the rated towing load not to mention
> the awful Jackaroos that are still haunting GM to this day with their
> on-going warranty recalls in relation to the shithouse diesel engines.
> Isuzu made and make some very comfortable cars but the mechanicals and
> electronics have been consistently ordinary.
If you worked for a Toyota dealer you'd probably be saying the exact same
thing about everything they make :)
> Or they know what is best. I don't think you give people enough credit, if
> you want a toy runaround there are better options but if you need to get
> the job done they know what works.
Actually I think very few actually do.
I think there is a massive perception out there where people *think* they
know what's best, but unless they've actually tried everything to see for
themselves they really have no idea and are just running on a hunch. It's a
bit like suburban Land Cruisers being bought for the perceived "safety"
aspect. Whether they actually are safer or not is irrelevant. The people
*think* they are, and that's all that matters to them.
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Noddy
> Confidence is a very good way of putting it, some of the older models ride
> and handle like pigs and are generally as rough as guts but tradies love
> them because its very rare that they will let them down and in a work
> vehicle that's the sort of quality that people want.
> One of the blokes at work owns an early 90's Celica, he drives like he
> stole it, only puts oil in when the oil light comes on, never gets it
> serviced yet the bloody thing won't die, he's the sort of person who
> doesn't have a clue how to treat vehicles so his ideal work vehicle is a
> Hilux.
His ideal work vehicle could be *any* of the jap utes and he'd most likely
have just as reliable a run.
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Noddy.
Noddy
> Wrong, I base what I say on my own experience and the experience of the
> many other Hilux owners that I know, Toyota marketing has nothing to do
> with anything.
So, if you had 50 people telling you that Navara's or Rodeos are just as
good you'd dismiss that because you've heard the odd story about a Navara or
a Rodeo having a niggle, right?
> Wrong again, its difficult to find a Hilux owner that's unhappy with their
> vehicle, not so with most other makes.
I don't know anyone who's unhappy with their Navara or Rodeo, and I know
more owners of those things than I do Hiluxen. On the other hand I've known
a few Toyota owners who have looked forward to changing brands, and at least
one Hilux owner who couldn't wait to get out of his vehicle and into
something else.
> Its true that none of the other brands of Jap utes are significantly
> inferior to a Hilux, there certainly isn't a lot in it.
> I did test drive a Navara and whilst it did have more bling it didn't IMO
> drive as well as the Hilux and they seem a lot larger which I don't need.
I'll agree with that.
My one criticism of the crew cab Navara is that it's an incredibly large
mutha.
> The "King cab" Navara looked like a good thing until you look at the rear
> seats, I thought the seat in the Xtra Cab Hilux were crap until I saw the
> Nissan version, the Hilux also has storage under the rear seats which the
> Navara's I looked at didn't have.
Most of the recent ones have the small "half doors" on the rear like a Mazda
RX8, which open up pillarless and make getting in and out of the cab a
breeze, but then all of them have shitfully bad rear seats which are only
useful for small kids or midgets.
> As you know I wouldn't have a Mazda for free so that also rules out Ford
> leaving the Triton, I did look at the Triton's specs on the net but at the
> time they had a lot less power (fixed with the new update) than anything
> else and being as ugly as sin didn't help.
They're certainly not attractive, but then none of them are. Still, in the
downright ugly stakes it's pretty much a toss up between the Triton and the
Hilux for mine.
> I even thought about buying an SS as the power is a bit addictive but the
> lack of cabin space turned me off, same reason for not wanting a Falcon.
> I did consider many other alternatives before buying the Toyota but
> nothing really suited my needs as well.
Did you drive any of them or did you simply dismiss them because they didn't
have a Toyota badge? :)
I don't have any particular allegiance to any of them, but I couldn't
imagine a situation that would see a Hilux triumph but a
Triton/Rodeo/Bravo/Navara fail.
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Noddy.
Noddy
> Aparently the Navaras are melting the rear piston with a lot of towing,
> anyone else heard of this?
No.
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Noddy.
Noddy
> What else do they need if they prove it so?
Right now I'd think they'd be wanting some better quality floor mats in
their American models :)
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Noddy.
Noddy
> For the Hiluxes I cant think of any failures that have occured.(Im on my
> 5th Lux)
What's your experience with anything else?
> If I was having to pay for one Id not bat an eyelid for getting one home
> over the other brands.
So, you've had nasty experiences with other brands, or you're just assuming
that they're all inferior because the Hilux is "so great"?
For the record, there is *nothing* Toyota does in the manufacture of their
vehicles that is exclusive to them, and they don't have a monopoly on
building decent vehicles. Do they build a decent vehicle? sure they do, but
they're not the only ones on earth to do so, and as long as people like you
keep believing that they're something special Toyota will keep on charging a
premium price for a bare bones product.
I'm genuinely pleased that you're happy with your 'Lux and have had a good
run out of them. Personally, I can't see what the fuss is about them as
they're no different to any other Jap ute as far as I can see.
I suppose if I thought the sun shone out of the arsehole of everything
Toyota made my opinion might be different.
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Noddy.
Clocky
>
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>> For the Hiluxes I cant think of any failures that have occured.(Im on my
>> 5th Lux)
>
> What's your experience with anything else?
>
>> If I was having to pay for one Id not bat an eyelid for getting one home
>> over the other brands.
>
> So, you've had nasty experiences with other brands, or you're just
> assuming that they're all inferior because the Hilux is "so great"?
>
> For the record, there is *nothing* Toyota does in the manufacture of their
> vehicles that is exclusive to them, and they don't have a monopoly on
> building decent vehicles. Do they build a decent vehicle? sure they do,
> but they're not the only ones on earth to do so, and as long as people
> like you keep believing that they're something special Toyota will keep on
> charging a premium price for a bare bones product.
You're not getting it, Toyota have built reliable vehicles with unrivalled
consistency and that is the difference.
Clocky
So you speculate, but I have seen enough of the Rodeo/Colorado to have zero
confidence. Additionally, with the way Holden is treating genuine warranty
claims these days and in the process shitting on it's customers, I would
never buy a new Holden again.
Clocky
Those that have worked for Toyota will all strongly disagree, I have worked
and still work with a few.
>> Or they know what is best. I don't think you give people enough credit,
>> if you want a toy runaround there are better options but if you need to
>> get the job done they know what works.
>
> Actually I think very few actually do.
>
> I think there is a massive perception out there where people *think* they
> know what's best, but unless they've actually tried everything to see for
> themselves they really have no idea and are just running on a hunch. It's
> a bit like suburban Land Cruisers being bought for the perceived "safety"
> aspect. Whether they actually are safer or not is irrelevant. The people
> *think* they are, and that's all that matters to them.
>
You seem to fail to consider that it perhaps only you who thinks that and
that you could be wrong.
I would certainly consider buying another Hilux based on my experience.
Confidence in your vehicle can't be understated.
Clocky
>
> "D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>
>> Wrong, I base what I say on my own experience and the experience of the
>> many other Hilux owners that I know, Toyota marketing has nothing to do
>> with anything.
>
> So, if you had 50 people telling you that Navara's or Rodeos are just as
> good you'd dismiss that because you've heard the odd story about a Navara
> or a Rodeo having a niggle, right?
Yet you are quite happy to dismiss thousands of HiLux drivers with nothing
but praise for their vehicles...
Noddy
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> You're not getting it, Toyota have built reliable vehicles with unrivalled
> consistency and that is the difference.
No they bloodywell haven't :)
They've built vehicles that have had their issues just like any *other*
manufacturer, and while their history has been better than some it certainly
hasn't been fault free. They've built some great cars, sure, but they've
built some fucking miserable clangers as well.
You guys make them sound like they're from Mars or something :)
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Noddy
> So you speculate, but I have seen enough of the Rodeo/Colorado to have
> zero confidence. Additionally, with the way Holden is treating genuine
> warranty claims these days and in the process shitting on it's customers,
> I would never buy a new Holden again.
Can't say I blame you.
As I've said to you before, I used to say the same thing about Hondas having
been on the other side of a Honda dealership service counter. I used to
think they were pretty ordinary cars based purely on the types of issues
you'd see everyday in the workshop, but like Toyotas they're not generally
known for quality issues.
The same could be said for Toyota or anyone else.
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Noddy
> You seem to fail to consider that it perhaps only you who thinks that and
> that you could be wrong.
Quite possibly, but then I suspect Toyota fanciers are no different to any
other fanatical brand follower. If they get a good run out of one they'll
stick with the brand regardless of whatever else may be out there.
> I would certainly consider buying another Hilux based on my experience.
> Confidence in your vehicle can't be understated.
I've generally never considered reputation when it comes to owning cars,
which possibly explains why I've owned some of the things I have. I couldn't
care less who makes the thing, and am more interested in the individual
model rather than what badge it may have on it's bonnet. Just because Brand
"X" made a good one last time is no guarantee they'll do it with the next
one and visa versa.
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Noddy.
Noddy
> Yet you are quite happy to dismiss thousands of HiLux drivers with nothing
> but praise for their vehicles...
No, I'm not at all.
Just to state again quite clearly, I'm *not* saying Toyota make a *bad*
vehicle. In fact I think they make a very good one. However what I am saying
is that I don't think the majority of what they do is significantly better
than that of most other manufacturers, and certainly as far as the Japanese
manufacturers are concerned they're not at the top of the pile in my
opinion. There are come exceptions of course, and one in particular is the
Land Cruiser which I think is the best all round off-roader in the world.
However in the main I think their average daily driver stuff is very middle
of the road.
That's not saying that the Hilux is a bad vehicle or that it's unreliable.
Just that there's nothing absolutely stellar about it that makes it stand
out from the crowd as far as I'm concerned, and that for what you get
they're poor value for money compared to almost anything else.
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Noddy.
Clocky
>
> "Clocky" <not...@happen.com> wrote in message
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>
>> You're not getting it, Toyota have built reliable vehicles with
>> unrivalled consistency and that is the difference.
>
> No they bloodywell haven't :)
We will have to agree to disagree here.
> They've built vehicles that have had their issues just like any *other*
> manufacturer, and while their history has been better than some it
> certainly hasn't been fault free. They've built some great cars, sure, but
> they've built some fucking miserable clangers as well.
>
> You guys make them sound like they're from Mars or something :)
>
If they're from Mars why are you the one that is alienated? ;-)
John_H
>
>Just to state again quite clearly, I'm *not* saying Toyota make a *bad*
>vehicle. In fact I think they make a very good one. However what I am saying
>is that I don't think the majority of what they do is significantly better
>than that of most other manufacturers, and certainly as far as the Japanese
>manufacturers are concerned they're not at the top of the pile in my
>opinion. There are come exceptions of course, and one in particular is the
>Land Cruiser which I think is the best all round off-roader in the world.
Odd you should say that. Patrol have always been right up with
Landcruiser when the going gets really tough (I'm thinking mainly of
their utes). The current model is the exception, for which you can
probably blame the French connection. What Toyota always had over
Nissan was a vastly better dealer network, particularly in the bush.
Early Patrols drove far better than Landcruisers (I've owned both) but
were let down by having exposed fuel tanks. Landcruiser diffs were
always a weakness when the going got heavy. The first five speed
Landcruisers all had gearbox problems. Late model Landcruisers (like
the Hilux) are way overpriced once you get beyond the tradesmen
specials.
And if I were offered a Hilux over a Colorado when someone else is
paying I'd probably take the Hilux, even if it's only the tradesman
special. It's got twenty more killerwasps! :)
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Noddy
> If they're from Mars why are you the one that is alienated? ;-)
Lol :)
I'm not. I just don't believe everything Toyota does is light-years ahead of
Noddy
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> Odd you should say that. Patrol have always been right up with
> Landcruiser when the going gets really tough (I'm thinking mainly of
> their utes). The current model is the exception, for which you can
> probably blame the French connection. What Toyota always had over
> Nissan was a vastly better dealer network, particularly in the bush.
There's been an issue with some diesel Patrols over the last few years where
premqature engine failures have plagued the things, and it's become a pretty
touchy subject with Nissan and angry customers who aren't getting warranty
work done.
> Early Patrols drove far better than Landcruisers (I've owned both) but
> were let down by having exposed fuel tanks. Landcruiser diffs were
> always a weakness when the going got heavy. The first five speed
> Landcruisers all had gearbox problems. Late model Landcruisers (like
> the Hilux) are way overpriced once you get beyond the tradesmen
> specials.
No argument here.
I think one of the huge weaknesses of the Toyota brand is value for money.
Sure you get a decent vehicle, but you pay a premium price for a vehicle
that ain't all that premium compared to other things in the class.
> And if I were offered a Hilux over a Colorado when someone else is
> paying I'd probably take the Hilux, even if it's only the tradesman
> special. It's got twenty more killerwasps! :)
It doesn't feel like it has though :)
If it came down to me absolutely having to have a diesel (which it
fortunately doesn't and I hope it never does) then I'd probably go with the
Toyota simply because the Rodeo diesel is incredibly gutless while the
Toyota diesel is significantly better. However in the petrol variants the
Hilux's whole doesn't equal the sum of it's parts in my opinion, and it's
got pretty average brakes compared to almost anything else.
As I've said before, if the choice was free and money wasn't a consideration
the Navara would win comfortably.
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hippo
For the last 25 years or so, basically as a hobby, I've helped quite a lot
of people find 'their next car'. ('Ok, tell me what you do or don't want
in a car and I'll work down to a shortlist of 3 or 4 to look at', sort of
thing). If I can't, then the input wasn't good enough (or I'm having a bad
week). 19 out of 20 times, there'll be a Toyota on the list. Most times
it's because most people *expect* a Toyota to be there and they'll
question me if it's not. That's why price for price, they're usually 1-2K
more or a year older than a comparable vehicle from another manufacturer.
At least their pegged service prices have put some value into the equation
for private buyers for the time being.
Realistically, these days they make a good 1st choice for someone with
*no* interest in driving or vehicles whatsoever, but not that often
otherwise. IMO it's been that way since the late 70s. Cheers
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hippo
I remember Car magazine (UK) coming up with a series of bogus marketing
slogans for Toyota over the years, inlcuding 'Yesterday's Car Tomorrow'
and 'Slightly More Car For Rather More Money'.
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Clocky
Ha ha, nobody suggested that either.
D Walford
Try comparing apples with apples, there are 3 engines available in the
Hilux range, 4.0lt V6 petrol, 2.7 4cyl petrol and 3.0lt TD, the V6
petrol has plenty of power, as much as any in the class.
Doesn't make much sense to compare the basic "Workmate" Hilux to other
higher spec models of other makes, its like comparing a Gli Falcon to a
Statesman and then saying Statesman is better equipped.
Mine is the mid range SR and its far from basic, the seats are very
comfortable, the brakes are excellent and the TD pulls like a train and
sips diesel, only thing I'll agree with you on is the wheels.
>
> In the end the Rodeo proved to be a winner as it has outstanding brakes, a
> good engine, a decent quality interior, 16 inch wheels, an LSD as standard,
> was an easy tray conversion and is fairly well screwwed together. On the
> negative side it has horrendous fuel economy (like any other v6 Jap ute),
> the turning circle is appallingly bad (like any other jap crew cab ute),
> it's towing capacity could be a bit higher, and it could do with an extra
> gear in the auto.
>
> Still, in having said that I rate it better than both the Triton and the
> HiLux and on a par with the Bravo. The Navara is in a class of it's own.
>
Have you driven one?
Nissan sell 2 models of the Navara, D22 and D40, the D22 is a gutless
POS built no better than a Kia, the D40 is a huge improvement but IMO is
nothing special.
Navara front ends have a reputation for falling apart if they see much
time on bad roads.
>> I agree Rodeo/Colorado/D-Max are better to ride in but the mechanicals and
>> electronics have been consistently pissweak throughout the years. From the
>> old 2.6L burning valves at 20,000km to the Diesels lucky to last
>> 200,000km, the thirsty oil sludging 3.5 Petrols, sagging suspension and
>> now the clutches that can't handle the rated towing load not to mention
>> the awful Jackaroos that are still haunting GM to this day with their
>> on-going warranty recalls in relation to the shithouse diesel engines.
>> Isuzu made and make some very comfortable cars but the mechanicals and
>> electronics have been consistently ordinary.
>
> If you worked for a Toyota dealer you'd probably be saying the exact same
> thing about everything they make :)
Very unlikely, only problem I've heard of with recent Hilux's from mates
who work for a Toyota dealer is clutches on 08 models, mines an "08
update" and apparently it has a bigger clutch which solves that problem.
I'm not happy with the handbrake on mine but so far I haven't gotten
around to adjusting it which I suspect is all it needs.
>
>> Or they know what is best. I don't think you give people enough credit, if
>> you want a toy runaround there are better options but if you need to get
>> the job done they know what works.
>
> Actually I think very few actually do.
>
> I think there is a massive perception out there where people *think* they
> know what's best, but unless they've actually tried everything to see for
> themselves they really have no idea and are just running on a hunch. It's a
> bit like suburban Land Cruisers being bought for the perceived "safety"
> aspect. Whether they actually are safer or not is irrelevant. The people
> *think* they are, and that's all that matters to them.
There is something in that but there is also the fact that people repeat
buy Hilux's, if they didn't live up to their well deserved reputation do
you think that people would buy another?
Daryl
D Walford
> "D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:030e2e73$0$1384$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>
>> Wrong, I base what I say on my own experience and the experience of the
>> many other Hilux owners that I know, Toyota marketing has nothing to do
>> with anything.
>
> So, if you had 50 people telling you that Navara's or Rodeos are just as
> good you'd dismiss that because you've heard the odd story about a Navara or
> a Rodeo having a niggle, right?
>
>> Wrong again, its difficult to find a Hilux owner that's unhappy with their
>> vehicle, not so with most other makes.
>
> I don't know anyone who's unhappy with their Navara or Rodeo,
I know a few, where my son used to work they had a 4cyl Rodeo and it was
only driven when it was the only vehicle left, everyone who worked there
hated it.
I mentioned earlier about a local tradie who bought 3 new Navara's, all
were problematic, I wasn't told the details of the problems but I was
told they were major.
Not even close, the Hilux looks like a Ferrari compared to a Triton:-)
>
>> I even thought about buying an SS as the power is a bit addictive but the
>> lack of cabin space turned me off, same reason for not wanting a Falcon.
>> I did consider many other alternatives before buying the Toyota but
>> nothing really suited my needs as well.
>
> Did you drive any of them or did you simply dismiss them because they didn't
> have a Toyota badge? :)
My son has a VU SS and a VE SS, I've driven both of those and I've also
test driven a Navara.
>
> I don't have any particular allegiance to any of them, but I couldn't
> imagine a situation that would see a Hilux triumph but a
> Triton/Rodeo/Bravo/Navara fail.
Seems like I have a better imagination than you because I can easily
imagine such a situation:-)
Daryl
D Walford
> "Scotty" <sco...@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> For the Hiluxes I cant think of any failures that have occured.(Im on my
>> 5th Lux)
>
> What's your experience with anything else?
>
>> If I was having to pay for one Id not bat an eyelid for getting one home
>> over the other brands.
>
> So, you've had nasty experiences with other brands, or you're just assuming
> that they're all inferior because the Hilux is "so great"?
>
> For the record, there is *nothing* Toyota does in the manufacture of their
> vehicles that is exclusive to them, and they don't have a monopoly on
> building decent vehicles. Do they build a decent vehicle? sure they do, but
> they're not the only ones on earth to do so, and as long as people like you
> keep believing that they're something special Toyota will keep on charging a
> premium price for a bare bones product.
>
compare well with equal models of other makes, what has your Rodeo got
that the equivalent model Hilux hasn't?
Daryl
D Walford
That has completely got me confused how you can say that, sounds to me
like you have driven one and it had crook brakes, none of the many
Hilux's I've drive have brakes deficiencies, they worked very well and
I've never had an issue in the 100,000klms I did with the 03 or the
23,000klms I've done with the new one.
Daryl
John_H
>
>As I've said before, if the choice was free and money wasn't a consideration
>the Navara would win comfortably.
Have you looked at the current range?
There used to be the bread and butter D22 and the upmarket D40 (which
was only available as a well back twin cab. D22 was diesel, cab
chassis only. D40 was essentially a car based ute (Pathfinder) and
easily the pick of the one tonners for car like comfort and
performance, with petrol and diesel options. The distinction isn't
now nearly so clear, and AFAIK you can longer get the petrol option in
any of their upmarket or 4WD models.
--
John H
Noddy
> That has completely got me confused how you can say that, sounds to me
> like you have driven one and it had crook brakes, none of the many Hilux's
> I've drive have brakes deficiencies, they worked very well and I've never
> had an issue in the 100,000klms I did with the 03 or the 23,000klms I've
> done with the new one.
I drove three or four late model Hiluxen when I was looking for a ute and
they all had the same brakes. There was nothing actually *wrong* with them
other than the fact that they didn't work as well as most of the others, and
particularly the Rodeo's and Navara's.
The brakes on the Rodeo are excellent, and work better than those of my
Territory (which themselves are pretty good).
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
> Have you looked at the current range?
Not the current ones, no.
> There used to be the bread and butter D22 and the upmarket D40 (which
> was only available as a well back twin cab. D22 was diesel, cab
> chassis only. D40 was essentially a car based ute (Pathfinder) and
> easily the pick of the one tonners for car like comfort and
> performance, with petrol and diesel options. The distinction isn't
> now nearly so clear, and AFAIK you can longer get the petrol option in
> any of their upmarket or 4WD models.
Shame, as the petrol engine really is very good, and easily the best of the
bunch.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
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> Realistically, these days they make a good 1st choice for someone with
> *no* interest in driving or vehicles whatsoever, but not that often
> otherwise. IMO it's been that way since the late 70s. Cheers
I tend to agree, and I've recommended Toyota's a number of times to people
looking for a car myself. However in those cases it's generally been the
type of people who have no interest in cars at all and are merely looking
for something to get from A to B.
For anyone who has a genuine interest, then it's usually anything else based
on their particular needs.
--
Regards,
Noddy..
Scotty
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: "Scotty" <sco...@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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Now thats a valid reason not to buy one....... geeeeesh.
Scotty
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: "Scotty" <sco...@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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: > For the Hiluxes I cant think of any failures that have occured.(Im on my
: > 5th Lux)
:
: What's your experience with anything else?
Ive had Econovans, 2 L200s, 2 L300s, Mazda Bongo van (Couldnt get rid of that fast enough).
:
: > If I was having to pay for one Id not bat an eyelid for getting one home
: > over the other brands.
:
: So, you've had nasty experiences with other brands, or you're just assuming
: that they're all inferior because the Hilux is "so great"?
why not?
:
: For the record, there is *nothing* Toyota does in the manufacture of their
: vehicles that is exclusive to them, and they don't have a monopoly on
: building decent vehicles. Do they build a decent vehicle? sure they do, but
: they're not the only ones on earth to do so, and as long as people like you
: keep believing that they're something special Toyota will keep on charging a
: premium price for a bare bones product.
:
: I'm genuinely pleased that you're happy with your 'Lux and have had a good
: run out of them. Personally, I can't see what the fuss is about them as
: they're no different to any other Jap ute as far as I can see.
:
I suppose it depends on your needs, if you dont need one you will never find out eh.
: I suppose if I thought the sun shone out of the arsehole of everything
:
:
:
Noddy
>
> Try comparing apples with apples, there are 3 engines available in the
> Hilux range, 4.0lt V6 petrol, 2.7 4cyl petrol and 3.0lt TD, the V6 petrol
> has plenty of power, as much as any in the class.
> Doesn't make much sense to compare the basic "Workmate" Hilux to other
> higher spec models of other makes, its like comparing a Gli Falcon to a
> Statesman and then saying Statesman is better equipped.
Of course it is, but then there were a few specific problems I was facing
when making my choise.
Principal amongst them was that I was comparing *used* vehicles in a given
year model range, and you can only make comparisons from what's actually
available for sale. A 4 litre crew cab Hilux would have been interesting to
evaluate, but I wasn't able to come across any (if they made them then
they're actually pretty rare). All of the utes I was looking at were base
models, as I my only three basic requirements were that it be a base model
"working" vehicle, it be petrol powered and that it was a crew cab. In the
Hilux base model crew cab range the only thing available was the 2.7 litre 4
cylinder, whereas in the RA Rodeo range the base engine is the 3.5 V6.
That alone made it a no brainer.
> Mine is the mid range SR and its far from basic, the seats are very
> comfortable, the brakes are excellent and the TD pulls like a train and
> sips diesel, only thing I'll agree with you on is the wheels.
I wasn't ever interested in anything other than the bare bones working utes.
> Have you driven one?
A number of them, and I find them to be a pretty decent drive.
> Very unlikely, only problem I've heard of with recent Hilux's from mates
> who work for a Toyota dealer is clutches on 08 models, mines an "08
> update" and apparently it has a bigger clutch which solves that problem.
> I'm not happy with the handbrake on mine but so far I haven't gotten
> around to adjusting it which I suspect is all it needs.
Nice.
> There is something in that but there is also the fact that people repeat
> buy Hilux's, if they didn't live up to their well deserved reputation do
> you think that people would buy another?
No, I don't, and just to repeat what I've been saying I don't think Toyota
make a bad vehicle, or that there is anything actually *wrong* with the
Hilux. What I'm saying is that if someone only ever owns Hiluxes and
continues to trade up from one model to the next without ever trying
anything else how do their know they're the best vehicle of their type?
Like I said previously, my old man thought the Hi-Ace was the best van on
four wheels *until* he tried something else. Once he did he never owned
another Toyota ever again.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
> I know a few, where my son used to work they had a 4cyl Rodeo and it was
> only driven when it was the only vehicle left, everyone who worked there
> hated it.
I've known such vehicles. One was a blue metalic SR5 Hilux that was a
company "gofor" that has a total heap of shit that nobody liked to drive,
and to the point of them often prefering to take their own vehicles rather
than drive it.
> I mentioned earlier about a local tradie who bought 3 new Navara's, all
> were problematic, I wasn't told the details of the problems but I was told
> they were major.
No one makes a 100% reliable car 100% of the time. That includes Toyota.
> Not even close, the Hilux looks like a Ferrari compared to a Triton:-)
03-8742-1623.
That's Specsavers in Werribee, which is probably the closest store to you
:)
> Seems like I have a better imagination than you because I can easily
> imagine such a situation:-)
Really? Care to share it? :)
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
> You keep saying "bare bones" but that's far from true, Hilux models
> compare well with equal models of other makes, what has your Rodeo got
> that the equivalent model Hilux hasn't?
V6 engine, limited slip diff, 16 inch wheels, "3rd gear start" feature on
the auto, bigger towing capacity, Cd Player, a rear seat that folds down to
become a cargo area, rear seat child restraint points in all three seat
positions and 40 extra kw of power.
That's just the difference between the base model Rodeo LX petrol crew cab
and the base model Hilux petrol crew cab. If you wanted to get closer to the
Rodeo spec sheet with the Hilux you need to opt for the V6 SR series which
was about 4 grand more expensive on the road new than the base model RA
rodeo, and even then you still didn't get 16 inch wheels or a slippery as
standard.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
> why not?
Why not indeed. Makes *perfect* sense to me :)
> I suppose it depends on your needs, if you dont need one you will never
> find out eh.
I didn't need a Hilux specifically, but I did need a crew cab Japanese ute,
and my only real requirement was that it was petrol powered, 2wd and capable
of towing a decent load. Outside of that I couldn't have cared less what it
was as it's just a workhorse to me. It ended up being a 2005 RA Rodeo for no
reason other than of the year model range I was looking at buying in it
represented the best bang per buck value, and some 18 months down the track
it's proved to be an excellent choice.
I most likely would have been just as satisfied with a Hilux had I paid the
extra to buy a 4 litre V6 model, but given that it was incredibly unlikely
to do anything I'd want to do any better than anything else it didn't seem
like a wise choice.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
D Walford
Is yours 4WD?
Hilux 4WD's have a LSD stock and the fold down rear seat with storage
underneath as well as 16" wheels.
I went to a few web sites and tried to compare the prices and specs of
base model 4X4 dual cabs but its difficult as Toyota don't currently
publish prices and the only prices on the Holden web site are for
"current offers".
In the past when I compared rrp there is SFA difference between any of
them but usually dealers of makes other than Toyota discount to sell
their utes where as Toyota doesn't need to so its not easy to do direct
comparisons of prices and equipment levels.
Daryl
Noddy
> Is yours 4WD?
No, it's a 2wd. It's actually a base model DX. The "LX" I incorrectly
mentioned earlier is the up market model with power windows and cloth
interior.
> Hilux 4WD's have a LSD stock and the fold down rear seat with storage
> underneath as well as 16" wheels.
> I went to a few web sites and tried to compare the prices and specs of
> base model 4X4 dual cabs but its difficult as Toyota don't currently
> publish prices and the only prices on the Holden web site are for "current
> offers".
> In the past when I compared rrp there is SFA difference between any of
> them but usually dealers of makes other than Toyota discount to sell their
> utes where as Toyota doesn't need to so its not easy to do direct
> comparisons of prices and equipment levels.
I was going off recommended retail prices from Redbook, but yeah, you're
right. It's often hard to make direct comparisons. Still, with the fact that
Toyota are reluctant to discount and that the Rodeo has more kit for the
moolah it makes the Hilux look pretty ordinary for the money.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Clocky
> "D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>
>> Is yours 4WD?
>
> No, it's a 2wd. It's actually a base model DX. The "LX" I incorrectly
> mentioned earlier is the up market model with power windows and cloth
> interior.
The DX is the bare essentials poverty pack fleet special and has lots of
bits missing.
http://www.ahgwa.com.au/commercial_results.php?make=14
>> Hilux 4WD's have a LSD stock and the fold down rear seat with storage
>> underneath as well as 16" wheels.
>> I went to a few web sites and tried to compare the prices and specs
>> of base model 4X4 dual cabs but its difficult as Toyota don't
>> currently publish prices and the only prices on the Holden web site
>> are for "current offers".
>> In the past when I compared rrp there is SFA difference between any
>> of them but usually dealers of makes other than Toyota discount to
>> sell their utes where as Toyota doesn't need to so its not easy to
>> do direct comparisons of prices and equipment levels.
>
> I was going off recommended retail prices from Redbook, but yeah,
> you're right. It's often hard to make direct comparisons. Still, with
> the fact that Toyota are reluctant to discount and that the Rodeo has
> more kit for the moolah it makes the Hilux look pretty ordinary for
> the money.
I doubt a Hilux could offer up less then a DX Rodeo/Colorado.
Clocky
Oops, now compare...
http://www.ahgwa.com.au/commercial_results.php?make=41
Hilux has more power, better towing capacity and more or less the same fuel
economy...
Noddy
> I doubt a Hilux could offer up less then a DX Rodeo/Colorado.
I don't know about the current models, but of the '05-'06 crew cab models I
was interested in the base model Rodeo offered a fair bit more than the base
model 'Lux. See my earlier reply to Daryl about what the differences were.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
> The DX is the bare essentials poverty pack fleet special and has lots of
> bits missing.
As far as I'm aware in the RA series petrol utes they only ever made two
variants: The DX and the LX. The DX is the base model "working ute" while
the LX is the "poofter's poser" that's kitted out with all the bling. I have
the DX, and while I don't know what bits are supposed to be missing I can
assure you mine is a complete car :)
As I said earlier I was only ever interested in base model crew cabs, and if
you look at it strictly on that basis the RA Rodeo offered a lot more for
the money compared to the Hilux of the same vintage. As I said to Daryl, to
get the same mechanical package as the base model petrol Rodeo you had to
buy the upspec SR series Hilux, and then they simply didn't compare as far
as value for money was concerned. On the used market you had to pay more
just for the base model 2.7 Hilux which compared to the DX Rodeo lacked a
hell of a lot.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Scotty
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:
: "D Walford" <dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
:
The side view of the Triton is ugly with that sloping body and tray. Looks like they tried to do
something different and balls it up, the front aint so bad. The Hilux with colour coded bumpers
look way better than the black ones though.
hippo
Weren't there ongoing issues with injectors on TD luxes over the last 5 or
6 years and and TSBs mandating more frequent oil changes on the same
engine about 4 years ago to try and improve durability?
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Clocky
> "Clocky" <nic...@migo.com> wrote in message
> news:030fcd8a$0$1277$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>
>> The DX is the bare essentials poverty pack fleet special and has
>> lots of bits missing.
>
> As far as I'm aware in the RA series petrol utes they only ever made
> two variants: The DX and the LX. The DX is the base model "working
> ute" while the LX is the "poofter's poser" that's kitted out with all
> the bling. I have the DX, and while I don't know what bits are
> supposed to be missing I can assure you mine is a complete car :)
No, the LT is the top of the range with all the fruit. The DX has always
been the base barebones poverty model with the LX the normal luxury level
model.
Has been that way since TF and possibly before. I'm pretty certain the DX
was based on the TF chassis for quite some time after the LX and LT had
moved onto the RA chassis.
> As I said earlier I was only ever interested in base model crew cabs,
> and if you look at it strictly on that basis the RA Rodeo offered a
> lot more for the money compared to the Hilux of the same vintage. As
> I said to Daryl, to get the same mechanical package as the base model
> petrol Rodeo you had to buy the upspec SR series Hilux, and then they
> simply didn't compare as far as value for money was concerned. On the
> used market you had to pay more just for the base model 2.7 Hilux
> which compared to the DX Rodeo lacked a hell of a lot.
My '04 base Hilux is better fitted out and rated then a same vintage base DX
Rodeo.
Clocky
> "Dan----" <N...@email.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>>
>>> The Triton is okay, but it's nothing brilliant compared to any of
>>> the other also rans. It's also the ugliest of the bunch in my
>>> opinion, which is no mean feat in itself considering how ugly the
>>> Hi-Lux is :)
>>
>> The Triton is a vile looking thing the designer should of been shot
>> but the Navara is a decent piece of kit though.
>>
>> ---
>> Regards
>> Dan
>>
>>
> Aparently the Navaras are melting the rear piston with a lot of
> towing, anyone else heard of this?
I haven't, no. Where did you hear that?
Pit
> Ive the option of either a new Hilux SR Dual cab V6 or a Colerado LX V6 (Well also have the deisel
> options but seeing as I dont pay for fuel Id prefer the petrol)
> has anyone got any feed back in regards to either of these vehicles? Im in a 2.7 Hilux at the
> moment and my last one was an 06 Rodeo Alloytech V6 which I found to be quite good.
>
> With me doing around 60,000 kms a year Id prefer to have comfort and safety over power. (Power comes
> an extremely close 2nd to saftey actually)
>
> Its a lease vehicle so tyres and maintanance are not an issue, its room, ergonomics and drivability
> that Im keen on hearing about.
>
> We dont get to drive em before we order them so its a blind choise. Im steering towards the Hilux
> due to favourism but as its been three years since I had the Rodeo Id love to know how the Colerados
> go and behave as well.
>
> Any feedback or comments most welcome please, good or bad.
>
> Scotty
Having driven both two years ago in another country the Hilux won
hands down
But the other looks better :) IMO
person who took over the non hi lux equipment has had nothing but
puss & pain
And I am *no* fan of Hilux's but the damn things kept going in
very hatsh conditions (tropical muddy climate)
John_H
>
>As far as I'm aware in the RA series petrol utes they only ever made two
>variants: The DX and the LX. The DX is the base model "working ute" while
>the LX is the "poofter's poser" that's kitted out with all the bling. I have
>the DX, and while I don't know what bits are supposed to be missing I can
>assure you mine is a complete car :)
According to Glass's yours would have to be an LT... CREW CAB P/UP,
2005, 3.5 lt, 4 SP AUTOMATIC.
DX didn't offer that combination.
--
John H
Clocky
That's what I have been saying. DX is the base model which has _less_ then
the base model Hilux and always did.
What Noddy is doing is comparing apples to oranges. What he is describing is
an LX, not the base model DX. If he has an LX optioned DX then it was
ordered that way and would have cost significantly more then a base model
Hilux.
But he doesn't bloody listen...
jonz
>>
>>> For the Hiluxes I cant think of any failures that have occured.(Im on my
>>> 5th Lux)
>> What's your experience with anything else?
>>
>>> over the other brands.
>> So, you've had nasty experiences with other brands, or you're just
>> assuming that they're all inferior because the Hilux is "so great"?
>>
>> vehicles that is exclusive to them, and they don't have a monopoly on
>> building decent vehicles. Do they build a decent vehicle? sure they do,
>> but they're not the only ones on earth to do so, and as long as people
>> like you keep believing that they're something special Toyota will keep on
>> charging a premium price for a bare bones product.
>
> consistency and that is the difference.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
my 36yr old fj40 is testament to that........(flame-proof suit
on...:^) )
>
>
--
jonz
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." - Gene
Spafford,1992
Noddy
> No, the LT is the top of the range with all the fruit. The DX has always
> been the base barebones poverty model with the LX the normal luxury level
> model.
Fuck it, you've got me totally confused now. I had to go out and look at the
car to see what I got :)
I've got the crewcab *LX*, and as far as I can tell the only difference
between that and the DX is that it has a cd player with two extra speakers
in the rear doors. Manual windows and vinyl floor mats.
> Has been that way since TF and possibly before. I'm pretty certain the DX
> was based on the TF chassis for quite some time after the LX and LT had
> moved onto the RA chassis.
According to the Isuzu workshop manual I have all the RA series ran the same
basic chassis.
> My '04 base Hilux is better fitted out and rated then a same vintage base
> DX Rodeo.
It may be as I was getting a bit confused between the models. It would seem
that the V6 LX is the equivalent to the Hilux SR series, but even then you
still get an lsd and larger wheels over the Toyota.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
> According to Glass's yours would have to be an LT... CREW CAB P/UP,
> 2005, 3.5 lt, 4 SP AUTOMATIC.
>
> DX didn't offer that combination.
Yeah, it is. I fucked it up.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
> That's what I have been saying. DX is the base model which has _less_ then
> the base model Hilux and always did.
>
> What Noddy is doing is comparing apples to oranges. What he is describing
> is an LX, not the base model DX. If he has an LX optioned DX then it was
> ordered that way and would have cost significantly more then a base model
> Hilux.
>
> But he doesn't bloody listen...
I *am* listening, and it wasn't deliberate.
I do indeed have an LX, and I thought *that* was the base model in the crew
cab petrol but it's not. It's the base model in the crew cab petrol with the
V6 engine. My mistake and it's definitely not a valid comparison to the bade
model Hilux. It compares to the SR range.
--
Regards,
Noddy.
John_H
It's a simple enough mistake IMHO.
Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi's upmarket utes of the era were aimed at
the urban cowboy market. Rodeo (and Ford/Mazda) never played that
game, consequently the differences between their base and upmarket
models tend to be a lot more subtle.
The conspicuous feature that distinguishes the urban cowboy models
isn't alloy wheels BTW... it's "sports bars". :)
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John H
Dave
>The conspicuous feature that distinguishes the urban cowboy models
>isn't alloy wheels BTW... it's "sports bars". :)
I've often wondered if those damn stupid things have any real
practical value, and whether or not they could be easily removed
altogether.
Dan----
>
> What Noddy is doing is comparing apples to oranges. What he is describing
> is an LX, not the base model DX. If he has an LX optioned DX then it was
> ordered that way and would have cost significantly more then a base model
> Hilux.
>
> But he doesn't bloody listen...
When I was looking for a 4x4 ute all the different model and letters and
names and what have you certainly confused the hell out of me.
I too have an Rodeo LX has the 3.6 litre V6 and the usual features as ABS,
cruise control a/c power windows and it has been very reliable to boot as
well.
Not too shabby for the base model 4x4 single cab version.
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Regards
Dan.
John_H
No and no!
Most, if not all, are only pop rivetted to the tub but they're not a
deletable option on a new vehicle. Only (impractical) use for 'em I
can think off would be for (illegally) mounting spotlamps behind the
cab.
A steel bar behind the cab is a useful feature on a work ute, but
there's usually no provision for anything so useful if you were to
remove the sports bar on the cowboy models (at considerable expense).
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John H
Noddy
"Dave" <dav...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've often wondered if those damn stupid things have any real
> practical value, and whether or not they could be easily removed
> altogether.
Most of the ones I've seen are made by local third party manufacturers (most
of which also make bullbars), and they can be removed in about 5 minutes.
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Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
"jonz" <fj...@diesel.com> wrote in message news:4b00...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> my 36yr old fj40 is testament to that........(flame-proof suit
> ..:^) )
For what it's worth, I think the old FJ40 was an incredibly reliable
vehicle, however it was about as refined as a 1950's swing door toaster and
almost as well made :)
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Regards,
Noddy.
John_H
Those I was referring to were/are standard equipment on the upmarket
Hilux, Navara and Triton models. They're only held on by pop rivets
but it's a factory fitment... ie it would be awfully expensive to
remove the rivets, fill the holes and repaint the tub.
It's also one of the many reasons I didn't buy a Hilux when I looked
at new utes. The upmarket models had a heap of bling I loathed but
were lacking in some of the things I did want... eg the model that
might've suited, apart from the useless crap, had an RRP of $46k but
Toyota still wanted $2k extra for an auto. The Mazda I bought had
almost everything I wanted, including the auto, at a tad over $30k on
road (as a model runout). IIRC power windows and mirrors weren't
standard on the Hilux either.
According to Glass's the Hilux is currently worth around $6k more (as
a private sale) than the Mazda. So much for a better resale value...
if Glass's is anything like correct the Mazda has retained a
significantly higher percentage of its original price than a Hilux.
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John H
Scotty
"Clocky" <nic...@migo.com> wrote in message news:030ff62a$0$1383$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
Funnily enough one of our suppliers had one, it was a piece of shit according to him, I thought it
was 5 years old as the interior paint (Handles and steering wheel colouring) was peeling off. He
traded it in on a Patrol (Think it was a patrol) as it was starting to make funny noises. When he
went back for his free service on the new one he saw the mechanic and he told him that the old
Navara had to be stripped and rebuilt as they are problimatic for stuffing the rear pistons.
Whether or notit was a ploy or BS the mechanic has nothig to gainor lose telling the info. They had
dollyed it up and flogged it off within a couple of days and the new owner had it rebuilt under the
statutory warrentee.
Scotty
"Dan----" <N...@email.com> wrote in message news:008a4a91$0$26878$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
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: "Clocky" <not...@happen.com> wrote in message
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I didnt think cruise was an option in the LX, that was supposed to remain as the enticment to the
LT. I had an RC LX and it sure as hell didnt get Cruise. mind you it was a manual.
jonz
nothing wrong with swing door toasters.....made to last. just like the
fj.....and series landies.....:^)
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> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.