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Grrr - E-tag change
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Sylvia Else
Mar 5, 2015, 9:13:18 PM3/5/15
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<rant_mode>
My e-tag battery had run down, so I had to obtain a replacement. I
thought I'd just remove the old one, take it to RMS, get a new one, and
attach it to the existing mounting.
Oh, no. That would be too easy. In the time since I got the original,
the design has been changed, and the new tags are not compatible with
the old mountings. So I have to figure out how to get the old mounting
off without damaging the windscreen, including finding a suitable
solvent to dissolve the glue, then clean the glass, before gluing the
new mounting in place.
Why the need to change the design?
Perhaps the old mountings used to break if tags were frequently removed.
Perhaps. But the new mountings will do as well, because the designer has
made the typical mistake of having a right-angle corner at the point
where attaching and detaching the tag will cause a strain. A crack will
inevitably form there, and a part will eventually break off.
</rant_mode>
Sylvia.
My e-tag battery had run down, so I had to obtain a replacement. I
thought I'd just remove the old one, take it to RMS, get a new one, and
attach it to the existing mounting.
Oh, no. That would be too easy. In the time since I got the original,
the design has been changed, and the new tags are not compatible with
the old mountings. So I have to figure out how to get the old mounting
off without damaging the windscreen, including finding a suitable
solvent to dissolve the glue, then clean the glass, before gluing the
new mounting in place.
Why the need to change the design?
Perhaps the old mountings used to break if tags were frequently removed.
Perhaps. But the new mountings will do as well, because the designer has
made the typical mistake of having a right-angle corner at the point
where attaching and detaching the tag will cause a strain. A crack will
inevitably form there, and a part will eventually break off.
</rant_mode>
Sylvia.
Jordan
Mar 6, 2015, 1:15:32 AM3/6/15
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On 6/03/2015 1:13 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> So I have to figure out how to get the old mounting
> off without damaging the windscreen, including finding a suitable
> solvent to dissolve the glue, then clean the glass, before gluing the
> new mounting in place.
>
They don't beep as loudly, either, and sometimes I'm not sure if it
> So I have to figure out how to get the old mounting
> off without damaging the windscreen, including finding a suitable
> solvent to dissolve the glue, then clean the glass, before gluing the
> new mounting in place.
>
responded.
That's not good, because one of ours became prematurely faulty (only 2
years old), but I didn't know about it until I got the fines.
I'm told some tags are available that have a LED flash when going
through the gantries. Yes please.
Maybe a sharp blade can cut off and scrape the old glue off?
F Murtz
Mar 6, 2015, 5:03:03 AM3/6/15
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smaller,good attachment,do it on the net, no deposit and works everywhere
Brad
Mar 6, 2015, 5:26:48 PM3/6/15
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TeaTree oil, eucalyptus oil, or mineral turps will dissolve the adhesive nicely. Isopropyl alcohol will work too, if you have any on hand. My preference has always been the turps.
Sylvia Else
Mar 6, 2015, 7:21:15 PM3/6/15
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On 7/03/2015 9:26 AM, Brad wrote:
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 1:13:18 PM UTC+11, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> <rant_mode>
>>
>> My e-tag battery had run down, so I had to obtain a replacement. I
>> thought I'd just remove the old one, take it to RMS, get a new one,
>> and attach it to the existing mounting.
>>
>> Oh, no. That would be too easy. In the time since I got the
>> original, the design has been changed, and the new tags are not
>> compatible with the old mountings. So I have to figure out how to
>> get the old mounting off without damaging the windscreen,
>> including finding a suitable solvent to dissolve the glue, then
>> clean the glass, before gluing the new mounting in place.
>>
>> Why the need to change the design?
>>
>> Perhaps the old mountings used to break if tags were frequently
>> removed. Perhaps. But the new mountings will do as well, because
>> the designer has made the typical mistake of having a right-angle
>> corner at the point where attaching and detaching the tag will
>> cause a strain. A crack will inevitably form there, and a part will
>> eventually break off.
>>
>> </rant_mode>
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Th new ones are smaller and can be hidden by the mirror more easily.
> That's not the reason they were made smaller, just the reason why I
> prefer them.
Perhaps your mirror is smaller. My old e-tag was positioned such that it
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 1:13:18 PM UTC+11, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> <rant_mode>
>>
>> My e-tag battery had run down, so I had to obtain a replacement. I
>> thought I'd just remove the old one, take it to RMS, get a new one,
>> and attach it to the existing mounting.
>>
>> Oh, no. That would be too easy. In the time since I got the
>> original, the design has been changed, and the new tags are not
>> compatible with the old mountings. So I have to figure out how to
>> get the old mounting off without damaging the windscreen,
>> including finding a suitable solvent to dissolve the glue, then
>> clean the glass, before gluing the new mounting in place.
>>
>> Why the need to change the design?
>>
>> Perhaps the old mountings used to break if tags were frequently
>> removed. Perhaps. But the new mountings will do as well, because
>> the designer has made the typical mistake of having a right-angle
>> corner at the point where attaching and detaching the tag will
>> cause a strain. A crack will inevitably form there, and a part will
>> eventually break off.
>>
>> </rant_mode>
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Th new ones are smaller and can be hidden by the mirror more easily.
> That's not the reason they were made smaller, just the reason why I
> prefer them.
was never in view from the driver's seat.
>
> TeaTree oil, eucalyptus oil, or mineral turps will dissolve the
> adhesive nicely. Isopropyl alcohol will work too, if you have any on
> hand. My preference has always been the turps.
>
oil. Also acetone, which I was hoping not to use because of its ability
to dissolve some plastics.
Sylvia.
Clocky
Mar 6, 2015, 8:15:05 PM3/6/15
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Sylvia Else
Mar 6, 2015, 8:56:47 PM3/6/15
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not non-toxic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_tree_oil#Safety
While not implying anything about your thinking, there is no reason to
suppose that products are safe just because they're 'natural'. The world
is full of poisonous plants, fungi, and animals.
Sylvia.
Clocky
Mar 6, 2015, 9:39:45 PM3/6/15
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http://www.eucalyptusoil.com/safety
Which means for the purpose of removing the glue Eucalyptus oil is
non-toxic. Well, unless you intend to swig on a bottle or two whilst you
are trying to remove the glue...
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Sylvia Else
Mar 6, 2015, 10:07:13 PM3/6/15
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Sylvia.
Jeßus
Mar 6, 2015, 10:21:50 PM3/6/15
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Sylvia Else
Mar 6, 2015, 10:42:52 PM3/6/15
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Sylvia.
Sylvia Else
Mar 10, 2015, 10:48:09 PM3/10/15
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On 6/03/2015 1:13 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
tag, and neither reply has been enlightening. Either they're
stonewalling, or they just don't get it. After all, change, even
pointless change, is good, isn't it?
Sylvia.
D Walford
Mar 10, 2015, 11:55:45 PM3/10/15
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will change back just for you or anyone else.
The etag in my car is the newer style but the one in my wife's car is
the old type, when we changed cars they (Citylink) sent us 2 new mounts
and you can order whatever type suits your etag.
They are very easy to remove and reinstall, I've done a few and never
damaged anything and it only takes a few minutes.
--
Daryl
Sylvia Else
Mar 11, 2015, 12:38:12 AM3/11/15
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grasp the fact that change causes inconvenience, costs money, and is
frequently nothing more than someone's attempt to justify their salary.
> The etag in my car is the newer style but the one in my wife's car is
> the old type, when we changed cars they (Citylink) sent us 2 new mounts
> and you can order whatever type suits your etag.
> They are very easy to remove and reinstall, I've done a few and never
> damaged anything and it only takes a few minutes.
>
in the process of installing and removing it, and the bracket will
eventually break at a right-angled corner due to stress concentration.
Sylvia
D Walford
Mar 11, 2015, 12:52:21 AM3/11/15
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the one in my car is about half the size of the old style tag in my
wife's car, hers is noticeable and looks ugly whereas mine is hardly
noticeable.
>
>> The etag in my car is the newer style but the one in my wife's car is
>> the old type, when we changed cars they (Citylink) sent us 2 new mounts
>> and you can order whatever type suits your etag.
>> They are very easy to remove and reinstall, I've done a few and never
>> damaged anything and it only takes a few minutes.
>>
>
> If the new tags are like the one I received, then the damage is inherent
> in the process of installing and removing it, and the bracket will
> eventually break at a right-angled corner due to stress concentration.
>
I've successfully removed etags and mounts on several cars, unless the
>> The etag in my car is the newer style but the one in my wife's car is
>> the old type, when we changed cars they (Citylink) sent us 2 new mounts
>> and you can order whatever type suits your etag.
>> They are very easy to remove and reinstall, I've done a few and never
>> damaged anything and it only takes a few minutes.
>>
>
> If the new tags are like the one I received, then the damage is inherent
> in the process of installing and removing it, and the bracket will
> eventually break at a right-angled corner due to stress concentration.
>
design of the NSW tags is different to the Vic tags I don't see it as
much of a problem.
Maybe I just find it easy after 40 or so years of doing hands on things.
--
Daryl
Noddy
Mar 11, 2015, 1:40:46 AM3/11/15
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On 11/03/15 3:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> I still hope that one day the people who make these kinds of change will
> grasp the fact that change causes inconvenience, costs money, and is
> frequently nothing more than someone's attempt to justify their salary.
Most people in the real world simply don't give a fuck about anything so
> I still hope that one day the people who make these kinds of change will
> grasp the fact that change causes inconvenience, costs money, and is
> frequently nothing more than someone's attempt to justify their salary.
mind-numbingly trivial.
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Regards,
Noddy.
Sylvia Else
Apr 14, 2015, 8:16:38 AM4/14/15
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On 6/03/2015 1:13 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
occasion on which the tag failed. When I originally called them to
report that the tag hadn't registered, the operator advised that their
recorded data showed that the battery was low before then. Of course,
they didn't bother to tell me so that I could replace it. Perhaps they
wanted to get their 55cent fee.
Well, it's going to cost them much more than that to deal with my
complaint about it. They really ought to know better.
Sylvia.
Noddy
Apr 14, 2015, 9:31:03 AM4/14/15
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On 14/04/15 10:16 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> They even had the audacity to charge me a video-processing fee for the
> occasion on which the tag failed. When I originally called them to
> report that the tag hadn't registered, the operator advised that their
> recorded data showed that the battery was low before then. Of course,
> they didn't bother to tell me so that I could replace it. Perhaps they
> wanted to get their 55cent fee.
>
> Well, it's going to cost them much more than that to deal with my
> complaint about it. They really ought to know better.
I would have given you a lifetime free subscription *just* so you took
> They even had the audacity to charge me a video-processing fee for the
> occasion on which the tag failed. When I originally called them to
> report that the tag hadn't registered, the operator advised that their
> recorded data showed that the battery was low before then. Of course,
> they didn't bother to tell me so that I could replace it. Perhaps they
> wanted to get their 55cent fee.
>
> Well, it's going to cost them much more than that to deal with my
> complaint about it. They really ought to know better.
your whiny fucking arse home and never came back :)
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Regards,
Noddy.
Sylvia Else
Apr 27, 2015, 7:00:01 AM4/27/15
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In the email to me, they commented:
"These refund requests are currently taking four months to be processed..."
Perhaps a committee has to meet to discuss each one.
The mind boggles.
Sylvia.
Noddy
Apr 27, 2015, 7:40:11 AM4/27/15
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On 27/04/15 8:59 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> They've agree to refund my 55 cents.
>
> In the email to me, they commented:
>
> "These refund requests are currently taking four months to be processed..."
>
> Perhaps a committee has to meet to discuss each one.
>
> The mind boggles.
They're doing it *just* to annoy you. I wrote them a letter and told
> They've agree to refund my 55 cents.
>
> In the email to me, they commented:
>
> "These refund requests are currently taking four months to be processed..."
>
> Perhaps a committee has to meet to discuss each one.
>
> The mind boggles.
them I'd pay the 55 cents if they did.
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Regards,
Noddy.
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