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Re: [OT] When is a 44 gallon drum not a 44 gallon drum? On Wikipedia, of course!

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Ron

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Athol <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in news:1215923260.385214
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> Oh, FFS!
>
> Apparently in the USA, 44 gallon drums are called 55 gallon drums because
> of their retarded gallon size. :-p
>
> Which leads to something as ludicrous an arguement over whether to call a
> wikipedia article "44-gallon drum" or "55-gallon drum". :-)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:44-gallon_drum
>

Okay, so we now have, a 44 Gal (UK/CA old AU), the speptic 55 gal and the
Aussie 200 litre tank. $$ gal still means more to me that 200 lt :-)

GrassyNoel

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Jul 13, 2008, 1:17:59 AM7/13/08
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The USA uses the Queen Anne gallon, which the UK dropped when it moved
to the larger one.

the_dawggie

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Jul 13, 2008, 2:18:13 AM7/13/08
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On Jul 13, 2:27 pm, Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
> Oh, FFS!
>
> Apparently in the USA, 44 gallon drums are called 55 gallon drums because
> of their retarded gallon size.  :-p
>
> Which leads to something as ludicrous an arguement over whether to call a
> wikipedia article "44-gallon drum" or "55-gallon drum".  :-)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:44-gallon_drum
>
> --
> Athol
> <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>   Linux Registered User # 254000
> I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

I call it as 200 litres.

atec77

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Jul 13, 2008, 2:22:31 AM7/13/08
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used to be a 44 all over Africa and the pacific , personally I reckon
the yanks have a got a bloody cheek considering they are in the minority
and certainly apart from the search engine being slanted there is no
other reason to name it anything but 44 or maybe a 200 these days

Noddy

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Jul 13, 2008, 3:11:30 AM7/13/08
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"Athol" <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in message
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> Oh, FFS!
>
> Apparently in the USA, 44 gallon drums are called 55 gallon drums because
> of their retarded gallon size. :-p
>
> Which leads to something as ludicrous an arguement over whether to call a
> wikipedia article "44-gallon drum" or "55-gallon drum". :-)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:44-gallon_drum

The septics can all it whatever the fuck they like, but it doesn't mean
anyone else has to.

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Noddy.


John_H

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Jul 13, 2008, 3:29:37 AM7/13/08
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Athol wrote:

>Oh, FFS!
>
>Apparently in the USA, 44 gallon drums are called 55 gallon drums because
>of their retarded gallon size. :-p
>
>Which leads to something as ludicrous an arguement over whether to call a
>wikipedia article "44-gallon drum" or "55-gallon drum". :-)
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:44-gallon_drum

If you wanted to be really pedantic there are two US gallons... the US
liquid gallon and the US dry gallon. The latter is based on grain
measurement (as they all were originally). IIRC the US dry gallon is
only marginally smaller than an imperial gallon.

You could therefore reasonably argue that an empty drum should have a
different capacity to a full one. ;-)

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John H

Ron

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Jul 13, 2008, 3:42:21 AM7/13/08
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"Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in
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Yes it does, your little friend, David Z :-)
He probably had his "bar mitzvah" and weeny clipped, spread "eagled" over
a "55 Gal" tank!
Tried to be as yanky as :-)

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the_dawggie

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Jul 13, 2008, 6:14:42 AM7/13/08
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On Jul 13, 7:43 pm, Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
> Ron <dodo@hotmail> wrote:

> > Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
> >> Apparently in the USA, 44 gallon drums are called 55 gallon drums because
> >> of their retarded gallon size.  :-p
> >> Which leads to something as ludicrous an arguement over whether to call a
> >> wikipedia article "44-gallon drum" or "55-gallon drum".  :-)
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:44-gallon_drum
> > Okay, so we now have, a 44 Gal (UK/CA old AU), the speptic 55 gal and the
> > Aussie 200 litre tank.  $$ gal still means more to me that 200 lt :-)
>
> Err.  Aussie 205 litre, rest of the world 200l.  :-)

I call it 200 litre. We are different and need to implement our own
standards?

Michael C

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Jul 13, 2008, 8:49:31 AM7/13/08
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"Athol" <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in message
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> Oh, FFS!
>
> Apparently in the USA, 44 gallon drums are called 55 gallon drums because
> of their retarded gallon size. :-p

What's really retarded is the fact that the world's most advanced nation
(supposedly) still uses a gallon at all!

Michael


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Noddy

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"Michael C" <mi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> What's really retarded is the fact that the world's most advanced nation
> (supposedly) still uses a gallon at all!

Because they're not metric.

Metric might be the "official" form of measurement in the US, but the public
by and large hasn't taken to it. Everything over there is still in miles per
hour, feet and inches, pounds and ounces, and gallons and quarts.

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veritas

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Jul 13, 2008, 9:44:03 AM7/13/08
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If the US went metric, they'd be the same as the rest of the world by adopting
a simple uniform measurement - now thay can't have that....... so they
metricate the old common useage by measuring aeroplane dimensions in just
inches (then decimalising part of an inch) and weight in pounds (then
decimalising part of the pound).
We won't mention the metric ton (2200 lbs), short ton (2000 lbs) and of
course, the good ol' 2240 lb ton though.
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Diesel Damo

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Jul 13, 2008, 9:48:28 AM7/13/08
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On Jul 13, 2:27 pm, Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
> Oh, FFS!
>
> Apparently in the USA, 44 gallon drums are called 55 gallon drums because
> of their retarded gallon size.  :-p
>
> Which leads to something as ludicrous an arguement over whether to call a
> wikipedia article "44-gallon drum" or "55-gallon drum".  :-)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:44-gallon_drum
>
> --
> Athol
> <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>   Linux Registered User # 254000
> I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

They are two different sized containers. What's the problem?

GrassyNoel

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Jul 13, 2008, 10:04:59 AM7/13/08
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On Jul 13, 8:57 pm, Paul Saccani <sacc...@omen.net.au> wrote:

> I thought it was the same size, but 200 l is when ullage space is
> excluded.   Hence an oil drum being a 205 l drum, whilst a fuel drum
> is 200 l.  Same size drum.  ( I get quite a bit of drum fuel and bulk
> oils).  That's also the way it is in Malaysia and Singapore too, in my
> experience.

Both measurements are nominal. It's the same drum in both cases.

GrassyNoel

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Jul 13, 2008, 10:17:25 AM7/13/08
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GrassyNoel

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Jul 13, 2008, 10:18:47 AM7/13/08
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On Jul 13, 9:44 pm, veritas <x...@xxxxx.com> wrote:


> We won't mention the metric ton (2200 lbs), short ton (2000 lbs) and of
> course, the good ol' 2240 lb ton though.

The metric ton is the name that they use for the tonne (1000 kg).

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Diesel Damo

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Jul 13, 2008, 8:03:15 PM7/13/08
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On Jul 14, 9:36 am, Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:

> Diesel Damo <Diesel_...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > On Jul 13, 2:27 pm, Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
> >> Apparently in the USA, 44 gallon drums are called 55 gallon drums because
> >> of their retarded gallon size.  :-p
> > They are two different sized containers. What's the problem?
>
> As far as I can determine, the 44-gallon (imp), 55-gallon (US), 200l
> and 205l drums are all different names for exactly the same item.

>
> --
> Athol
> <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>   Linux Registered User # 254000
> I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

By my calculations:

55 USRG (US Retarded Gallons) is 208.197 litres.
44 PROPER gallons is 200.024 litres.

:)

the_dawggie

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Jul 13, 2008, 8:10:04 PM7/13/08
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Prexactly what I think too. However I'll call it at 200 :-)

GrassyNoel

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Jul 13, 2008, 8:14:30 PM7/13/08
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The difference is only important if whatever's in the drum is charged
out by the litre. We usually charge per drum or part thereof, so the
difference is meaningless for us most of the time.

veritas

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Jul 13, 2008, 9:16:11 PM7/13/08
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That's probably because it *is*.....

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Snapper

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Jul 14, 2008, 5:46:02 AM7/14/08
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Paul Saccani wrote...

> Queen Anne's Wine Gallon. The imperial gallon is based on the Ale
> Gallon, which was abolished along with the wine and other gallons such
> as the corn gallon.

As long as they don't abolish the beer gallon, you can do whatever you want with
that other crap....


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the_dawggie

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Jul 14, 2008, 7:40:45 AM7/14/08
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> Perhaps they're all the same size drum but the quantity of stuff in
> them varies.  :-)

Just use SI units and call it as 200 :-)

Kev

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Jul 14, 2008, 8:18:24 AM7/14/08
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Athol wrote:

> Diesel Damo <Diese...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> By my calculations:
>
>> 55 USRG (US Retarded Gallons) is 208.197 litres.
>> 44 PROPER gallons is 200.024 litres.
>
> Perhaps they're all the same size drum but the quantity of stuff in
> them varies. :-)
>


they are the same size
I used to deliver fuel and oild
fuel was 200L due to the ullagespace required by law
oil was 205L and engine coolant was 208L
the drum has a capacity of around 210-211L


Kev

Kev

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Jul 14, 2008, 8:29:55 AM7/14/08
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TSK
we heard you the first 30 fucking times
you call it 200
and your wrong


KEv

atec77

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Jul 14, 2008, 8:38:08 AM7/14/08
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Exactly
it's a 44

the_dawggie

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Jul 14, 2008, 10:02:39 AM7/14/08
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On Jul 14, 10:18 pm, Kev <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote:
> Athol wrote:


So, you just said 200L ?

I'll take the fuel capacity.

What's methanol capacity out of interest ?

The Raven

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Jul 18, 2008, 8:50:30 AM7/18/08
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"Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
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> Athol <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in news:1215923260.385214
> @idlwebserver.idl.com.au:
>
>> Oh, FFS!

>>
>> Apparently in the USA, 44 gallon drums are called 55 gallon drums because
>> of their retarded gallon size. :-p
>>
>> Which leads to something as ludicrous an arguement over whether to call a
>> wikipedia article "44-gallon drum" or "55-gallon drum". :-)
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:44-gallon_drum
>>
>
> Okay, so we now have, a 44 Gal (UK/CA old AU), the speptic 55 gal and the
> Aussie 200 litre tank. $$ gal still means more to me that 200 lt :-)

Actually, they are 205 litre drums.


Kev

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Jul 18, 2008, 2:30:19 PM7/18/08
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not they arn't
the volume depends on what product is in the drums
fuel is 200L
oils 205L
and some other liquids as much as 208L
the drums them selves have a volume of around 110L

Kev

Diesel Damo

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On Jul 19, 4:30 am, Kev <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote:
> The Raven wrote:
> > "Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
> >news:Xns9ADA99...@64.209.0.81...
> >> Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in news:1215923260.385214

> >> @idlwebserver.idl.com.au:
>
> >>> Oh, FFS!
>
> >>> Apparently in the USA, 44 gallon drums are called 55 gallon drums because
> >>> of their retarded gallon size.  :-p
>
> >>> Which leads to something as ludicrous an arguement over whether to call a
> >>> wikipedia article "44-gallon drum" or "55-gallon drum".  :-)
>
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:44-gallon_drum
>
> >> Okay, so we now have, a 44 Gal (UK/CA old AU), the speptic 55 gal and the
> >> Aussie 200 litre tank.  $$ gal still means more to me that 200 lt :-)
>
> > Actually, they are 205 litre drums.
>
> not they arn't
> the volume depends on what product is in the drums
> fuel is 200L
> oils 205L
> and some other liquids as much as 208L
> the drums them selves have a volume of around 110L
>
> Kev

Similar to those "big white cubes" that are said to be a cubic metre
but actually hold a bit over 1100L of water. I know they're originally
used for anything from Coke syrup to oil to vinegar.

GrassyNoel

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Jul 19, 2008, 5:11:30 AM7/19/08
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On Jul 19, 4:42 pm, Diesel Damo <Diesel_...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Similar to those "big white cubes" that are said to be a cubic metre
> but actually hold a bit over 1100L of water. I know they're originally
> used for anything from Coke syrup to oil to vinegar.

To paint tins, to ink, to oil filters, to coolant ...

the_dawggie

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Jul 19, 2008, 5:36:59 AM7/19/08
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To soap products, and used cooking oil. Flubox - I've got
a few at a friend's place. I have not tested the actual capacity -
seems a one metre cube.

atec77

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Jul 19, 2008, 6:21:23 AM7/19/08
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So how do you get those things through the 50mm filler ?

GrassyNoel

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Jul 20, 2008, 10:55:32 AM7/20/08
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With an IBC (plastic cube, nominal volume 1000L, inside a supporting
cage) you can cut the top off, which is what we do with stuff that
won't splash out. Slightly more efficient than pokey little 205L
drums, and easier to shift with a forklift.

hippo

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Jul 23, 2008, 1:26:55 AM7/23/08
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>Kev

Different testing procedures in different countries using different
liquids/fluids/solids to determine nominal capacity perhaps?

Stuff it, let's just call them P76 drums!

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