Remedies for stinging tree
Kathy and Steve
foot. We waxed it several times and applied second skin and he was right. A
week later he is still itchy and sensitive but he has recovered.
Tonight a freind got stung on both thighs, and she is in agony. Same
treatment, waxed etc then second skin. She has had a pethidine shot and is
still in agony. Any advice on what helps the sting of the Gympie Stinging
Tree??
K.
Ausirion
Have not tried it on Gympie Gympie bush, but it really works like magic on
everything else.
I always carry the Home Brand roll-on antiperspirant for mossie bites and
everything else. People just cannot believe how quickly the product works
and the close to instant relief they get from itching.
If you have never tried this or used it, do yourself a favour and get it.
"Kathy and Steve" <kil...@cyberwizards.com.au> wrote in message
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David Springthorpe
wrote:
>Home Brand roll-on antiperspirant works like magic for all bites and stings.
>Have not tried it on Gympie Gympie bush, but it really works like magic on
>everything else.
>
>I always carry the Home Brand roll-on antiperspirant for mossie bites and
>everything else. People just cannot believe how quickly the product works
>and the close to instant relief they get from itching.
>
>If you have never tried this or used it, do yourself a favour and get it.
Interesting.....can anyone provide a scientific explanation of the
biochemistry involved to explain why this is effective.....? Is it
just only Home Brand that works.....?
Thanks,
D.S.
Dave Hayes
> biochemistry involved to explain why this is effective.....? Is it
> just only Home Brand that works.....?
perhaps it's so toxic that it burns the skin until no feeling remains. :)
dave.
Gaza's Mail
or something similar. Without racing off to the bathroom cupboard the active
ingredient is Aluminium Something. The active ingredient also in Stingose,
it maybe works somehow by stopping the area affected from sweating???????
Brian W Edginton
<lazydaysRE...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>There was an old thread on it once when I started up the thread on leeches
>or something similar. Without racing off to the bathroom cupboard the active
>ingredient is Aluminium Something. The active ingredient also in Stingose,
>it maybe works somehow by stopping the area affected from sweating???????
Good thinking! To reduce sweating, it is necessary to close
pores....maybe it reduces the uptake of the gympie toxin.
Maybe.
Of course, I have no expertise in medicine, biology or whatever.
Just a bit smarter than your average yeast. Nah... sometimes, I sell
myself short...I am, really, smarter than most frogs.
brianWE
Perfection involves admitting to the occasional
imperfection
David Noble
>
> Home Brand roll-on antiperspirant works like magic for all bites and stings.
> Have not tried it on Gympie Gympie bush, but it really works like magic on
> everything else.
>
Stinging Tree stings offer a similiar order of magnitude of pain - and I
am told:
1. The pain can persist for a year or so (not in an intense form though)
2. The Qld species (Gympie Gympie) - has resulted in more recorded
deaths than Black Snake bites.
I've had a few friends that have had stings from the Stinging trees on
the Blue Mts - and it doesn's seem too nice an experience! The Gympie
Gympie tree is similar - but is nastier I think.
Dave
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Ausirion
Aluminium Hydroxide or Chlorohydrate. Stingose has 25% of the same
substance.
Having tried both, the Stingose works fractionally quicker than the Home
Brand roll-on deodorant, but overall found the Home Brand deodorant more
soothing.
The Stingose may be more effective on more severe bites or on things like the
Gympie Gympie bush. I have no idea.
Why Home Brand, I have found it the most effective of all the roll-on
deodorants. The perfumes and other additives to the other brands cause
irritation to the bite.
I *never* leave without Home Brand deodorant in my kit.
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Kathy and Steve Kilpatrick
directed at the stinging nettle which is by far a lesser sting. I dont know
how far south you encounter the Gympie stinger, but I know you get it down
to the Qld border.
K.
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David Springthorpe
<dno...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>I've had a few friends that have had stings from the Stinging trees on
>the Blue Mts - and it doesn's seem too nice an experience! The Gympie
>Gympie tree is similar - but is nastier I think.
A legend still told around CMW campfires is of one of the Tribal
Elders years ago who was out on his own in the KBNP and who fell into
a patch of stinging trees and was disabled by the stings - can't
recall all the details (including medical) but he was the subject of a
successful club search.....
D.S.
Mitchell Isaacs
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> >I always carry the Home Brand roll-on antiperspirant for mossie bites and
> >everything else. People just cannot believe how quickly the product
works
> >and the close to instant relief they get from itching.
> >
> >If you have never tried this or used it, do yourself a favour and get it.
>
> Interesting.....can anyone provide a scientific explanation of the
> biochemistry involved to explain why this is effective.....? Is it
> just only Home Brand that works.....?
Yes - there was a bit of discussion on this close to a year ago I think - if
you search for "Aluminium stingose" then you should be able to find the
thread. Basically, aluminium ions denature the proteins (make them fall
apart) that cause animal based sting irritation - eg mosquito saliva
proteins. As was correctly pointed out, most antiperspirants contain
aluminium chlorohydrate (sometimes hydroxide). The reason home brand may
work better, is that as stated in another post, it contains 15% aluminium
chlorohydrate. Most roll-ons only contain 10% I think.
Stingose actually contains Aluminium sulphate, 20% (not chlorohydrate). It
also contains a detergent that helps the aluminium penetrate the skin.
As regards plant contact irritants, it has been found that aluminium ions
can also bind to some of these (they are usually non-protein), and basically
deactivate them. Another part of the mode of action is also thought to be
that the high concentration of aluminium salt causes an osmotic migration of
water to the surface of the skin. So in other words, the antiperspirant or
the stingose should help soon after the sting, however I think it would be
unlikely to be effective some time after the sting. I would imagine that the
toxin has caused some sort of tissue damage or nerve irritation which is
causing the pain. It can't hurt to try it out though.
Those that are worried about links between aluminium and alzheimers, this is
not believed to be valid any more - the build-up of aluminium is caused by
alzheimers, not the other way around.
Cheers,
Mitchell
Mitchell Isaacs
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http://www.sgapqld.org.au/article36.html
Also, came across another "interesting" website - here is the opening
paragraph,
"If you arrived directly and accidentally here by search engine, please note
that this webpage has an adult theme - concerned with erotic use of nettles
as mild, consensual "torture" in dominance and submission games. By all
means stay (provided that you are an adult, as defined in your applicable
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is a basic assumption here. Constructive comments and contributions,
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Erk....
Mitchell
David Noble
> A legend still told around CMW campfires is of one of the Tribal
> Elders years ago who was out on his own in the KBNP and who fell into
> a patch of stinging trees and was disabled by the stings - can't
> recall all the details (including medical) but he was the subject of a
> successful club search.....
Yes - this was written up in Outdoors magazine - circa 1970 or so?. I
think the article was written by the late Bernie Peach. I think the
incident took place in Queagong Pit.
Then there was the SUBW story of a guy down at Bungonia - who was
attending to a call of nature - and reached over for a large leaf to
wipe his bottom.... (ouch!!)
And the botanist who whilst on a boat trip on L Burragorang - was told
by another botanist - Look a Stinging Tree (in Warragamba Gorge) - other
guy " no its not" - "well touch it then", he did...ouch!!
The Blue Mts stinging trees are the same as those found from Barrington
Tops - to Ettrema (and beyond?) - and certainly not the same as stinging
nettles. They have very large leaves - like fig leaves - growing on a
big tree (or a small tree).
The densest I have seen them is in Rankin Gully (trib of Gingra Creek).
Another one to note is a single tree growing in a saddle on the Colboyd Range.
Another but of trivia - only two creeks in the Northen Blue Mts seem to
have them, and yet they are common around the Kanangra/Kowmung country.
Dave
>
> D.S.
Paul Davis
version is worse. My episode in Qld hurt for about a month whilst the NSW
version lasted only a day or two.
The NSW kind is still bad - a guy from my club had a branch fall between his
backpack and his back and he passed out from the pain.
Paul
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Paul Davis
> biochemistry involved to explain why this is effective.....? Is it
> just only Home Brand that works.....?
Someone told me that stinging trees don't have a toxin but rather a whole
lot of hollow needles that introduce air belo the skin and that is what
hurts. If that is the case then just about anything that gunges up, or
removes, the tubes would work.
Paul
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Maurice
Ettrema area. The stinging trees there tend to be quite small in height, but
still have the same large leaves. I have had one close encounter of the
wrong kind with a small tree in one of the side creeks off Ettrema.
On the road into Kanagaroo Valley from Berry (NSW) as you drop down into the
valley the road winds around some quite sharp hair pin bends and in some of
those bends you can see quite close to the road in the steep gullies some
quite large specimens of stinging trees. Although they are large by local
standards they are nothing like the size of the trees that I've seen in
northern NSW in such places as Dorrigo.
Cheers and good walking
mack
>
> The sap/juice from cunjevoi (the plant that looks like elephant ears)
there is a tunicate (low order chordate) with that name
(also called a sea squirt) found in rock pools in Sydney
beaches. The spelling may be a little different
Joe
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Phil Box
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Yeah Joe, I know the little squirts of which you speak, I have used them for
bait when rock fishing. The plant of which I speak is found in the sub
tropical rain forest where the Gympie or giant stinging tree is also found.
They look something like Elephant ears lillies but aren`t so big and they
are greener as well with not so much dark foliage. The Cunjevoi sap cure for
the Giant Stinging Tree sting of which I speak is purely anecdotal as I have
not used this for any of the stings that I have received.
...Phil...
David Springthorpe
<misaacs@spam_me_not.student.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
>Yes - there was a bit of discussion on this close to a year ago I think - if
>you search for "Aluminium stingose" then you should be able to find the
>thread. Basically, aluminium ions denature the proteins (make them fall
>apart) t
Sorry - I did not recall.....
D.S.
David Springthorpe
<dno...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>Yes - this was written up in Outdoors magazine - circa 1970 or so?. I
A couple of years before my start of bushwalking time.....
>think the article was written by the late Bernie Peach. I think the
>incident took place in Queagong Pit.
I had both those facts in the back of my mind but was not absolutely
sure, so didn't say out loud.....
>
>Then there was the SUBW story of a guy down at Bungonia - who was
>attending to a call of nature - and reached over for a large leaf to
>wipe his bottom.... (ouch!!)
Going off at tangents, a club member did a sit down job in KNP once in
the evening, leaning out over a small depression, and the unseen
wombat below copped the lot.....
>Another but of trivia - only two creeks in the Northen Blue Mts seem to
>have them, and yet they are common around the Kanangra/Kowmung country.
I remember a largish one in lower Doris Creek.....
D.S.
Ian Allen
Another bush-lore remedy is to pulverise the roots of the plant which stung
you and spread the paste on the affected area. I tried this after my only
encounter with Gympie bush on Mt Elliot, and found the digging and pounding
process very satisfying indeed!!
(Hurt like buggery when I spread it on my leg, though, and it still hurt six
months later in cold weather!!)
Cheers
IA
Dave Hayes
> Yes - there was a bit of discussion on this close to a year ago I think -
if
> you search for "Aluminium stingose" then you should be able to find the
> thread. Basically, aluminium ions denature the proteins (make them fall
> apart) that cause animal based sting irritation - eg mosquito saliva
> proteins.
does the tea tree contain a natural ingredient which asks similarly (ie,
denatures proteins)?
dave.
Anthony Dunk
> have them, and yet they are common around the Kanangra/Kowmung country.
This is most likely due to soil fertility. There are apparently a few
stinging trees in Yengo NP too - around Mt Yengo - a basalt peak in
otherwise uniform sandstone country.
Kowmung country is reasonably fertile by comparison to other sandstone parks
further north.
Anthony.
Mitchell Isaacs
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> does the tea tree contain a natural ingredient which asks similarly (ie,
> denatures proteins)?
Very much doubt it. Aluminium sulphate is a metal salt, and in stingose is
found in very high concentration. It is very unlikely that a plant would
contain this salt in such high concentration.
They may contain other substances that have various effects.
Cheers,
Mitchell
Mitchell Isaacs
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similar to various human signalling molecules, and neurotransmitters.
Cheers,
Mitchell
Rob Barrie
>
> I suspect that the southern limit for stinging trees may be around the
> Ettrema area. The stinging trees there tend to be quite small in height,
No we saw quite a few on Mt. Dromedary a couple of weeks back varying in
size from quite small to a reasonable size tree. That is south of
Narooma.
The remedy we were tought in a remote area first aid course this year
was to apply a sticking plaster over the affected area and then pull it
off to remove the hairs that contain the stinging juice. Repeat until
the pain of pulling off the plaster is worse than the sting.
Puti Unggoy
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> I suspect that the southern limit for stinging trees may be around the
> Ettrema area. The stinging trees there tend to be quite small in height,
but
> still have the same large leaves. I have had one close encounter of the
> wrong kind with a small tree in one of the side creeks off Ettrema.
Ah yes, on your right about 10 metres from the start of the exit route from
Ettrema up to Transportation Spur.
Brendon Harders
Am I right in assuming it doesn't grow in W.A. ?
Colin Farley
For what its worth here is my input.
I live and walk in SE Qld and have had quite a number of encounters
with the "Gympie tree".
The most effective treatment for myself is to as soon as possible
after being stung, cover the area with Leuko Pore or similar sticky
tape (Sello Tape or equvalent works really well). Gently removing the
tape then pulls out the fine glass like needles. Examining the tape
gives a good idea how badly the leaf got you.
Aloe Vera or similar soothers also help after this process.
Despite all the bushies tales about the efficacy of "Elephants Ears"
also known here as "cunjevoi" I have not found it helps at all.
Actually one of the best soothers is a few drops of Ti-Tree oil in
Sorbolene , for me that is.
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:13:43 +1100, "Kathy and Steve"
<kil...@cyberwizards.com.au> wrote:
>Last week my son stumbled into some stinging tree on his chest, knee and
>foot. We waxed it several times and applied second skin and he was right. A
>week later he is still itchy and sensitive but he has recovered.
>Tonight a freind got stung on both thighs, and she is in agony. Same
>treatment, waxed etc then second skin. She has had a pethidine shot and is
>still in agony. Any advice on what helps the sting of the Gympie Stinging
>Tree??
>K.
>
>
Gaza's Mail
"Ausirion" <no_...@here.com> wrote in message
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> Home Brand roll-on antiperspirant works like magic for all bites and
stings.
> Have not tried it on Gympie Gympie bush, but it really works like magic on
> everything else.
Just came back from a walk today where 3 out of 3 of us got stung by nettle,
I applied a $2 anti-perspirant and it really did give instant relief and no
further problems.
One of my mates got stung by I think exactly the same tree last time (he's a
bit thick) and he suffered for several days with hot poker like recurrences
and todays sting caused no problems at all. It now has a permanent place in
my first aid kit.