Water Containers - Wine Cask Bladders?
Lindsay Robinson
I do a fair bit of hiking and am getting anoyed at taking Softdrinkbottles
and the like to carry my water in. I thought of maybe Wine Cask Bladders?
clean them out and fill them with water? Has anyone used them before? Also i
am trying to work out where i can get some? I dont drink much wine so dont
have any
Any Suggestions?
Lindsay
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however and find them great (you should be able to get them from any
good outdoor store). They're clear plastic and fold down flat. You can
boil them etc with no problems and you can also buy seperately a shower
nozzle attachment. Weight = nothing...
Regards,
Stephen Brooker.
Peter Grant
never carry water in them in my pack. They're really too fragile, and it
just isn't worth the risk of spilling all that water through your pack.
Nalgene has just come up with a new floppy bottle that has similar
characteristics to a small wine bladder, but is supposed to be very tough. I
suspect they're fairly expensive too. The alternatives include Nalgene (or
similar) plastic bottles, which are tough but rigid; and Sigg (or similar)
aluminium bottles. Both of these are light to carry, but are usually limited
to a capacity of about 1 litre.
As for where you might get some wine casks - if you don't know any cheap
plonk drinkers, you might try a local pub or restaurant, and just ask them
to save some empties for you. I prefer the casks with the large taps, as
these are easier to remove when re-filling with water.
But what we're really all waiting for is dehydrated water!
cheers
Peter Grant
--
Tasmania: Australia's Green State
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Kevin Balloch
At least two different manufacurers (Sea to Summit and Mountain Designs)
make bulk water holders which incorporate wine cask style bladders. I don't
know whether they are any tougher than wine cask inners but they look almost
the same, even down to the same style of pouring device (the plastic bit
that the water/wine flows from). If you buy the complete units (avail in
2,4&6 litres) you get a matching outter made of tough nylon type material
which unzips and you can insert the bladder in through the hole (if it's
empty). The outter also has a shoulder strap to make it easy to carry.
Over hear in Perth a 4 litre bladder (complete with outter) generally goes
for about $25 but if you just want the inner plastic bladder they cost about
$6. Available from all good outdoor stores.
As far as durability goes - well I've had mine for about 3 or four years and
it served well until my last bushwalk in October last year. As always I put
the full bladder on the very top of my pack, under the lid, and as I was
tightening the straps of the pack lid it burst and some water came out the
top but most went throught down the pack (6 litres in total). It was just
as well I had lined my pack with a thick, large plastic bag which the water
sits outside of. Most of the water seeped out the bottom of my pack. Funny
thing is that about 15 min prior the exact same thing happened to another
member of our group. Out of the four of us we had never experienced this
before and had all spent a good amount of time outdoors. It was just as
well we were standing beside a stream after having filled up so out came my
dry bag which I put my camera in when it really starts to pour, and I just
scooped up about 6 litres into that. ALWAYS have a good quality light
weight dry bag with you, not just a plastic bag. Ortlieb are the best
drybags because they are so light but super strong.
If you want the Rolls Royce of water holders then look at the MSR Dromedary
bags. They are sort of elongated oval shapped and made of heavey duty
cordura lined on the inside with rubber. The screw of lid is the same size
as a normal 1 litre Nalgene container so most water filters fit straight on.
It also has brass eyelits on a wide rim that runs along the outside of the
bladder through which is thread a piece of 5mm wide flat cord which is great
for strapping to the *outside* of your pack if you like. It's hard to
imagine it ever breaking but just don't loose the lid like I did.
Kevin
Steve Merrifield
: clean them out and fill them with water? Has anyone used them before? Also i
: am trying to work out where i can get some? I dont drink much wine so dont
You don't need to buy wine casks. Most supermarkets sell casked water, so you
don't end up with the stale wine taste...
steve
David Springthorpe
<Lind...@Ihug.com.au> wrote:
>Hi there,
>I do a fair bit of hiking and am getting anoyed at taking Softdrinkbottles
>and the like to carry my water in. I thought of maybe Wine Cask Bladders?
>clean them out and fill them with water? Has anyone used them before?
Is the Pope Catholic.....?
>Also i am trying to work out where i can get some? I dont drink much wine so dont
>have any
>Any Suggestions?
>Lindsay
Well, you could drink more wine (2 litre "Chateau Card-Board"
preferred).....other replies give good advice (particularly about not
carrying water in them in pack).....I've picked some up after rifling
through stuff people left out for garbage/recycling (particularly
after a party).....
-------------------------------
David Springthorpe,
E-mail dspr...@one.net.au
David Springthorpe
wrote:
>
>You don't need to buy wine casks. Most supermarkets sell casked water, so you
>don't end up with the stale wine taste...
Tend to be too big and unwieldy.....?
John Wayman
wine skins for fetching water in camp. I often take along extra wine skins
to give to others. I have at least 4 dead wine skins sitting in my gear
cupboard, indicating that it is time for me to do another backpack or two!
I actually like the wine tainted taste of the water when drunk straight from
the wine skin. Mind you I buy $20 premium 4 litre casks, so the wine is
usually good!
Platypus bottles are very popular for drink bottles, and they do fold down
to nothing when empty. I have been using two 1 litre Nalgene bottles for my
drink bottles for years. I have a couple of Platypus bottles now to
experiment with. If you need to boil water, they are great for storing your
freshly boiled water without the need to cool it!
Sigg bottles lose their attraction when you realise that they are the
equivalent of a screw top aluminium can. When someone fills them for you
and then throws them at you, hitting a rock, you find that they dent.
Soft drink bottles are excellent value as well. Start the walk with your
favourite flavours, then simply refill with mountain spring water on the
track!
Cheers
John Wayman
"David Springthorpe" <dspr...@one.net.au> wrote in message
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Allan Mikkelsen
wrote:
> Lindsay Robinson <Lind...@ihug.com.au> wrote:
>
> : clean them out and fill them with water? Has anyone used them before? Also i
> : am trying to work out where i can get some? I dont drink much wine so dont
>
> You don't need to buy wine casks. Most supermarkets sell casked water, so you
> don't end up with the stale wine taste...
Wine taste a problem ???
Like others who have replied, I seldom use wine skins to carry water but
do use them as camp water holders. However, if I need extra water for a
long climb, I will put about one litre of water in a fairly new wine
skin. I find the slight wine taste gives me a bit of a pickup on a long
hill.
Regards, Allan
Roger Caffin
> I do a fair bit of hiking and am getting anoyed at taking Softdrinkbottles
> and the like to carry my water in. I thought of maybe Wine Cask Bladders?
As you will gather, commonly used.
My current 6l wine skin has laseted about 6 years.
I got rid of the strange rubber opening, stuck a nylon plug
in the fitting with an O-ring seal, and ran a length of
silicon tubing out from the plug. A lab clip on the end, and
behold: running water.
Cheers
Roger Caffin
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David Springthorpe
rubber ones that are easier to take off/put on when refilling (and
thus may possibly come loose or leak from the spout, especially in the
top of a pack), or the solid plastic ones that are a bugger to shift
(an that may also get turned open in a pack).....?
Glen Fergus
> Just a thought......what type of cask stoppers do people prefer, the
> rubber ones that are easier to take off/put on when refilling (and
> thus may possibly come loose or leak from the spout, especially in the
> top of a pack), or the solid plastic ones that are a bugger to shift
> (an that may also get turned open in a pack).....?
One I bought on a 2L cask in NZ recently (el Chileno) was more than
a bugger... Emptied it on the walk (good stuff), then couldn't remove
the damn twist-type tap thing any way I tried!
Glen F.
David Springthorpe
<gfe...@XXXX.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>One I bought on a 2L cask in NZ recently (el Chileno) was more than
>a bugger... Emptied it on the walk (good stuff), then couldn't remove
>the damn twist-type tap thing any way I tried!
>
My tramps in NZ usually preclude the carrying of 2 litre wine casks
with their original contents......
Glen Fergus
> >a bugger... Emptied it on the walk (good stuff), then couldn't remove
> >the damn twist-type tap thing any way I tried!
> My tramps in NZ usually preclude the carrying of 2 litre wine casks
> with their original contents......
Hmmm, twas a trifle depleted pre-start; and the jet boat helped,
marginally, with lugging it. Left us a bit short of water containers.
David Springthorpe
>
>Hmmm, twas a trifle depleted pre-start; and the jet boat helped,
>marginally, with lugging it. Left us a bit short of water containers.
>
>
Roger Caffin
> One I bought on a 2L cask in NZ recently (el Chileno) was more than
> a bugger... Emptied it on the walk (good stuff), then couldn't remove
> the damn twist-type tap thing any way I tried!
Well, it was probably frozen on, poor thing, This was in NZ
after all?
Isn't TWO litres a bit small? :-)
Cheers
Roger caffin
Don Baker
find them terrific near camp but carry a hard sided 1 litre bottle when
walking. Don
Lindsay Robinson <Lind...@Ihug.com.au> wrote in message
news:BzGs4.31322$3b6.1...@ozemail.com.au...
> Hi there,
> I do a fair bit of hiking and am getting anoyed at taking Softdrinkbottles
> and the like to carry my water in. I thought of maybe Wine Cask Bladders?
i
> am trying to work out where i can get some? I dont drink much wine so dont
Allan Mikkelsen
Springthorpe) wrote:
> Just a thought......what type of cask stoppers do people prefer, the
> rubber ones that are easier to take off/put on when refilling (and
> thus may possibly come loose or leak from the spout, especially in the
> top of a pack)
In my opinion, these are undoubtedly the best. I have never had a
stopper dislodge except when I have dropped a full skin.
> or the solid plastic ones that are a bugger to shift
> (an that may also get turned open in a pack).....?
These also sometimes have the disadvantage that the back of the "tap"
has a sharp spike which can puncture the skin when you carry it loose.
Regards, Allan
Canberra
Glen Fergus
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:24:47 +1000, "Glen Fergus"
> >
> >Hmmm, twas a trifle depleted pre-start; and the jet boat helped,
> >marginally, with lugging it. Left us a bit short of water containers.
> >
> >
> You're excused then.....where was the jet-boat to ?
Wilkin forks.
David Springthorpe
<gfe...@XXXX.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> You're excused then.....where was the jet-boat to ?
>
>Wilkin forks.
Thought it might have been.....I was there with a group in 1989 or
1991 (I forget) who went over Jumbo to the East Matukituki.....I
wimped out because of sickness and walked back to Makarora (lucky the
river was low).....did you go over the dreaded Waterfall Face/Rabbit
Pass.....?
Glen Fergus
> 1991 (I forget) who went over Jumbo to the East Matukituki.....I
> wimped out because of sickness and walked back to Makarora (lucky the
> river was low).....did you go over the dreaded Waterfall Face/Rabbit
> Pass.....?
Nah, bit tough that one for a 7 and a 10 yr old (esp when YT has
to lug most of the load). Walked up yonder for a look though,
then out t'other way (Young). Surprisingly nice and not super
crowded, though it's coming along.
Over Jumbo peak?
Melb
They are very resistant
>Hi there,
>I do a fair bit of hiking and am getting anoyed at taking Softdrinkbottles
>and the like to carry my water in. I thought of maybe Wine Cask Bladders?
>clean them out and fill them with water? Has anyone used them before? Also i
>am trying to work out where i can get some? I dont drink much wine so dont
>have any
>Any Suggestions?
>Lindsay
>
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Roger Caffin
> Try the plastic bottle of MILK.
> They are very resistant
the cap had very little thread on it. (Only an impression,
because we don't buy milk in plastic bottles, on principle.)
Just how much thread is there? I want a GOOD seal.
Which suggests that a one litre fizzy mineral water or Coke
bottle ought to be a reasonable bet. A bit lighter,
incidentally, than the rather heavy rectangular 1L & 2L
Nalge bottles I am still using after they ceased to be
needed in the lab.
Or even a 3 litre apple juice bottle. Bilpin apple of
course: the very best sort. Now these we empty at a shocking
rate..... Thery even have a carry handle!
Cheers
Roger Caffin
David
"Lindsay Robinson" <Lind...@Ihug.com.au> wrote:
> Hi there,
> I do a fair bit of hiking and am getting anoyed at taking
Softdrinkbottles
> and the like to carry my water in. I thought of maybe Wine Cask
Bladders?
I know this is slightly off topic, but please bear with me. My local
bushwalking shop (which I'm very happy with) told me that they had
lots of problems with a famous brand of aluminium drink bottle that
would corrode when they were used to carry acidic (ie fruit juice, soft
drink) or alcoholic beverages. I'm sure we've all heard of the possible
link between alzheimers and aluminium....they were so concerned that
they no longer stock the offending brand (whose name I won't mention).
Has anyone else heard of this happening? Personally I use a Nalgene
bottle - tough as nails, won't take a taste or stain (mind you, it would
corrode if I put acetone in it, but I don't drink acetone so that's
okay).
Happy drinking,
Dave.
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David Gray
> I do a fair bit of hiking and am getting anoyed at taking Softdrinkbottles
> and the like to carry my water in. I thought of maybe Wine Cask Bladders?
i
> am trying to work out where i can get some? I dont drink much wine so dont
> have any
> Any Suggestions?
> Lindsay
>
problem. Unfortunately, I don't know where you can get any.
David
David Stonestreet
wrote:
>Roger, a quick question,
>
>Have you ever had a Nalgene bottle distort after pouring boiling water in
>it?
>The bottles I have do, one even blew out after spending the day in a hot
>car, full
>of water.
>The Nalgene brochure says that the Lexan bottles are safe to 135 deg. C.
>I can only conclude the bottles supplied to labs are not made of Lexan.
>I bit difficult to complain though as I didnt pay for them
>
>regards,
>Bron.
The Lexan Nalgene bottles are a smokey gray see through colour with
white writing on them. The non lexan bottles are a white translucent
colour with blue writing on them (if there is any writing).
I have never had any problem with boiling water in the lexan bottles.
--
Rocky Road - in Oz
David Springthorpe
<My....@clubmac.org.au> wrote:
>I have never had any problem with boiling water in the lexan bottles.
I assume you mean you put boiling water in them, rather than trying to
boil water in them.....
Roger Caffin
>Roger, a quick question,
>Have you ever had a Nalgene bottle distort after pouring boiling water in it?
>The bottles I have do, one even blew out after spending the day in a hot
>car, full of water.
Problem solved. They were not Lexan. They were PETG, which
has a max temp of 70C!
Actually, they were second hand special media bottles, not
the standard bottles. Most people won't come across these.
Roger Caffin
> The Lexan Nalgene bottles are a smokey gray see through colour with
> white writing on them. The non lexan bottles are a white translucent
> colour with blue writing on them (if there is any writing).
Ah, that's just some Nalge bottles designed for bushwalking.
Basic Lexan material is glass-clear and colourless. The
non-Lexan pottles are usually polyethylene.
Les Skinner
I see quite a suggestion in the many replies that you can buy the casked
water from any supermarket.
Indeed this is what I do. Have never had a problem with spillage, I buy the
10lt ones even though usually only half filling at most. 10lt ones seem much
more heavy duty than the smaller 4lt types, and are also excellent for water
drops (the empty bladders take up virtually no room and weigh next to
nothing).
I also suggest carrying the bladder on top of the closed storm throut under
the pack lid, use a h/duty plastic bag beneath. This should avert a minor
disaster should one even break / leak etc, and shed water outside your pack.
I've used Low Alpine and Platypus 'drinking systems', as well as the new
Nalgene bottles. All have broken down very quickly where they 'fold'
especially near the tops, and eventually begun leaking.
Regards,
Les
David Stonestreet
>>I have never had any problem with boiling water in the lexan bottles.
>
>I assume you mean you put boiling water in them, rather than trying to
>boil water in them....
Well it was a long extension cord but would you believe I managed to get
my microwave oven into the Mt Cole caves.