Sigg Traveler alcohol stove like Trangia
Bob
an alcohol stove fanatic. It's similar to the Trangia, with stainless
steel pots, windscreen and non-pressurized alcohol/meths burner.
Thanks!
tony dyson
MSR PocketRocket?
About one fiftieth of the size, one twentieth of the weight, three
times the speed, half the price and generally much, much better.
Anthony Dunk
ummm... Slight exagerations? :-)
I have had a rant about this before, but the main advantage of the MSR
is that the fuel is about half the weight for the same power output
compared to alcohol/metho.
If you include a cooking set, wind shield, and fuel tank with the MSR
- which come as part of the kit with a Trangia, the differences in
size, weight, and cost are nowhere near as great as mentioned above.
Although gas stoves are undoubtably superior technology, alcohol/metho
stoves still have a number of features which make them attractive -
simple, safe, widely available fuel, quiet operation, and bomb-proof
reliability.
Andrew Priest
wrote:
<snip>
>I have had a rant about this before, but the main advantage of the MSR
>is that the fuel is about half the weight for the same power output
>compared to alcohol/metho.
>
>If you include a cooking set, wind shield, and fuel tank with the MSR
>- which come as part of the kit with a Trangia, the differences in
>size, weight, and cost are nowhere near as great as mentioned above.
Why would you bother with a wind shield with the MSR? If you take the
stove, a fuel canister and a pot and compare the same against the
Trangia, the MSR Pocket Rocket comes way out in front in my book on
WEIGHT. You also need less fuel for the MSR than the Trangia.
Plenty of windshields in the bush, e.g., rocks and logs.
BTW I am a Superfly and a Trangia owner and now prefer the Superfly as
I can get my whole weight/bulk down with the MSR/fuel/billy
combination against the Trangia. And we use this set-up for two
people.
Anyway my five cents worth. Made this decision based on Anthony's
work on the Trangia :-)
Cheers
Andrew
Aushiker - Hiking in Western Australia
http://aushiker.cjb.net/
Anthony Dunk
alcohol stove either.
I wasn't saying that the Trangia's were as good as the MSR's, I was
just saying they are not quite as bad as some would make out. Their
time may be up, but they've served many bushwalkers faithfully for
decades. I'm not throwing mine away just yet, but I no longer carry
the full set as I now think its just too heavy.
By the way, can you buy MSR fuel at any service station, supermarket,
or general store in Australia like you can with metho ? And does it
cost $2 per bottle ?
Cheers,
Anthony.
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mdunk/anthony
Andrew Priest <aush...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:<pfk33u0k8so0bkurs...@4ax.com>...
Andrew Priest
Sure I appreciate this, but there always seems to be a trade-off
between price and weight, i.e., pay more for "less".
I decided to go with the Superfly over the PocketRocket jus because it
gives more options in terms of canisters.
Off course good planning should avoid the need to purchase extra cans
except on longer trips where re-supplying becomes an issue.
Cheers
Andrew
On 1 Jan 2002 18:59:54 -0800, anth...@rocketmail.com (Anthony Dunk)
wrote:
>By the way, can you buy MSR fuel at any service station, supermarket,
>or general store in Australia like you can with metho ? And does it
>cost $2 per bottle ?
Aushiker - Hiking in Western Australia
http://aushiker.cjb.net/
David Springthorpe
wrote:
>By the way, can you buy MSR fuel at any service station, supermarket,
>or general store in Australia like you can with metho ? And does it
>cost $2 per bottle ?
I am used to buying my Shellite in bulk (i.e. you supply the 5 litre
container) at Eastwood Camping in Sydney, but was surprised the other
week to be able to buy a 1 litre container at a very reasonable price
(less than $3 - about the same I payed at EC) at a local supermarket -
brand name Recochem from Queensland.....
D.S.
David Springthorpe
<aush...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>Why would you bother with a wind shield with the MSR? .....
>
>Plenty of windshields in the bush, e.g., rocks and logs.
Nonsense, surely - none as good as a proper windshield IMHO.....
D.S.
Andrew Priest
Well I guess if you want to carry it - go for it - but found I have
survived ok ....
Roger Caffin
>
> Yep, if I was buying a new stove today I don't think I'd be buying an
> alcohol stove either.
> or general store in Australia like you can with metho ? And does it
> cost $2 per bottle ?
And can you drink it? (Shudder!)
Cheers
Roger Caffin
(You can feel the frustration as us Sydney-siders sit at home these
days...)
Roger Caffin
> Sure I appreciate this, but there always seems to be a trade-off
> between price and weight, i.e., pay more for "less".
> I decided to go with the Superfly over the PocketRocket jus because it
> gives more options in terms of canisters.
In that case, why did you pay more than $40? You can get a perfectly
good gas stove for that price at K-Mart or BBQ Galore or ... Not an MSR
but a Coleman or similar cheap brand. I have used one every weekend for
over a year now.
They aren't usually carried in bushwalking shps because the price is so
low and they can't compete with K-Mart etc.
Cheers
Roger Caffin
Andrew Priest
wrote:
>Andrew Priest wrote:
>
>In that case, why did you pay more than $40? You can get a perfectly
>good gas stove for that price at K-Mart or BBQ Galore or ... Not an MSR
>but a Coleman or similar cheap brand. I have used one every weekend for
>over a year now.
For the obvious reason ... better product .... you might consider the
coleman for example as a perfectly good product, as an owner, I don't.
My Superfly is more efficient, better made, and lighter. Hey I like
it!
Plus I didn't pay for it - chrissy present.
Cheers
Andrew
BTW
Mitchell Isaacs
> Why would you bother with a wind shield with the MSR? If you take the
Clearly you've never cooked in strong winds. In strong winds a good
windshield is absolutely essential - rocks & logs just don't cut it in
high winds (except maybe bloody huge rocks & constant wind direction).
I still often use an MSR though - but always take a windshield.
Cheers,
Mitchell
Andrew Priest
not have done.
I have used a stove in driving winds and hail thank you very much and
without a windshield.
It worked satisfactory for me. It may have worked better with
windshield, however, it was possible to get reasonable shelter (from
the wind at least) behind a large boulder.
It is like a lot of things when walking, you make trade-offs. I feel
that I do have a net weight saving by not having a windshield as such.
Occasionally I have used a piece of al-foil as a windshield with a
Coleman canister stove, however, it tends to head things up a bit if
not applied correctly. Learnt that pretty quickly! Was it worth while?
I am not so sure.
Anyway each to their own ...
Regards
Andrew
On 2 Jan 2002 03:23:47 -0800, mitchel...@hotmail.com (Mitchell
Isaacs) wrote:
Aushiker - Hiking in Western Australia
http://aushiker.cjb.net/
Roger Caffin
> >RNC: In that case, why did you pay more than $40? You can get a perfectly
> >good gas stove for that price at K-Mart or BBQ Galore or ... Not an MSR
> >but a Coleman or similar cheap brand. I have used one every weekend for
> >over a year now.
> For the obvious reason ... better product .... you might consider the
> coleman for example as a perfectly good product, as an owner, I don't.
on the scale than a Coleman, but...
> My Superfly is more efficient, better made, and lighter. Hey I like
> it!
suggest ALL of them are within 5% of each other. Now they may vary in
gas flow rate and hence boil time, but that is another matter entirely.
"Better made"? Define "better". As I implied, mine gets a thorough
bashing by going out every weekend, without being packed inside
anything. It helps that it is made of steel rather than
ultra-lightweight materials, but so what on a day walk? Zero damage
after several years.
"Lighter". To be sure. But so what on a day walk? Or even on a 3-4 day
walk. The extra 50-100gms are the least of your worries.
Anyhow, the really "cool" ones have piezo-lighters on them... :-)
> Plus I didn't pay for it - chrissy present.
Ah! I surrender here. :-)
To stab myself in the back (just to be fair):
On snow trips I take a Coleman Max stove - very expensive.
On long wilderness trips I take a Titanium Sno-Peak - very very
expensive.
But I plead the same excuse: I got them for free when I did a gear
survey on stoves some years ago. It was great fun.
However, having all those stoves (and many more, gas and liquid) to play
with, I stand by my claim that a cheap Coleman/Caribee gas stove is just
as good as the dearest bushwalking stoves (except in the snow).
Cheers
Roger Caffin