White Lightning V Finish Line Lube??
Dean KNOWLES
Hi all
Just got a new bike with Campag Chorus running gear...
Have heard so much about WL over the net and via the bike shops.
Previously, I've used Finish Line - Telfon Lube..
Can anyone advise on which is best for my new gear....is WL as good as
they say....and can you put it on a new chain without removing the
original lube that comes with it???
Would like any suggestions
Dean
Alex Ip
>Hi all
>Just got a new bike with Campag Chorus running gear...
>Have heard so much about WL over the net and via the bike shops.
>Previously, I've used Finish Line - Telfon Lube..
>Can anyone advise on which is best for my new gear....is WL as good as
>they say....and can you put it on a new chain without removing the
>original lube that comes with it???
>Would like any suggestions
I was most curious about WL after hearing about it on the 'net. I
eventually bought some and tried it on my girlfriend's hybrid and my
own commuting hack. I have to say that I really believe that you and
your choice components would be much better off if you clean and OIL
your chain regularly. Contrary to the hype, the wax-based WL does NOT
magically shed dirt and most definately does NOT repel water. Flame me
if you must, but I think that WL is an exercise in wishful thinking.
Look after your wonderful new bike properly - clean your chain
regularly and use REAL lubricant.
I should add that I am most certainly NOT a retro-grouch: I am a
self-confessed gear freak willing to try almost any "technological
advance". I have used the Finish Line dry lube on my mountain bike
while touring in Cape York Peninsula and found it useful for dusty
conditions. Personally, I would stick to a more conventional oil-based
lube: especially for wet, muddy Melbourne conditions.
These are just my own opinions. I hope they help, anyway.
Cheers & Beers.
Alex Ip
(fst...@lux.latrobe.edu.au)
Alan Beban
Alex Ip wrote:
>
> On Tue, 09 Jul 1996 20:38:29 -0700, Dean KNOWLES
> <eknow...@alpha2.curtin.edu.au> wrote:
>
> >Hi all
>
> >Just got a new bike with Campag Chorus running gear...
>
> >Have heard so much about WL over the net and via the bike shops.
>
> >Previously, I've used Finish Line - Telfon Lube..
>
> >Can anyone advise on which is best for my new gear....is WL as good as
> >they say....and can you put it on a new chain without removing the
> >original lube that comes with it???
>
> >Would like any suggestions
>
> your choice components would be much better off if you clean and OIL
> your chain regularly. Contrary to the hype, the wax-based WL does NOT
> magically shed dirt and most definately does NOT repel water.
What about just plain household paraffin wax for the chain?
Matt O'Toole
In article <31E325...@alpha2.curtin.edu.au>, Dean KNOWLES <eknow...@alpha2.curtin.edu.au> wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Just got a new bike with Campag Chorus running gear...
>
>Have heard so much about WL over the net and via the bike shops.
>
>Previously, I've used Finish Line - Telfon Lube..
>
>Can anyone advise on which is best for my new gear....is WL as good as
>they say....and can you put it on a new chain without removing the
>original lube that comes with it???
>
>Would like any suggestions
The only reason to use WL is ease of maintainence for
mountain bikers who ride in extremely dirty conditions. It
doesn't last very long (about 2 hours), and needs to be
reapplied often. It will not lubricate as well as a "wet"
lube because it won't continually flow back into where it is
being worn off. Also, reapplying it without cleaning the
chain, as recommended, causes it to mix with dirt already on
the chain, forming a perfect "cutting paste" that will grind
away your expensive Campy parts.
You're better off using a good "wet" lube. Finish Line
Century is better for road use than their "dry" Teflon lube.
90wt gear oil would be good. My personal favorite is
Tetrabike, which penetrates well, and lasts a really long
time.
Matt O.
}
Frank Van Zanten
Have tried a variety of lubes, including White Lightning. White Lightning
definitely does not pick up as much dirt as conventional, i.e. wet lubes.
However as White lightning is a solid wax, it does not flow, and I have
doubts about its usefulness as a long lasting lube. I used it in a MTB
race, and it picked up less dirt than other lubes. In mudddy or very
dusty conditions, it may be a good choice.
For general use I am now using a motorcycle chain lube. Much cheaper than
Finish line, and appears similar to their cross country lube. Nothing
wrong with Finish Line products, but think they are too expensive due to
packaging/distribution.
Frank van Zanten
John Everett
In article <31E3D3...@pacbell.net>, be...@pacbell.net says...
>
>Alex Ip wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Can anyone advise on which is best for my new gear....is WL as good as
>> >they say....and can you put it on a new chain without removing the
>> >original lube that comes with it???
>>
>> >Would like any suggestions
>>
>> your choice components would be much better off if you clean and OIL
>> your chain regularly. Contrary to the hype, the wax-based WL does NOT
>> magically shed dirt and most definately does NOT repel water.
>
>What about just plain household paraffin wax for the chain?
As I've posted before (some may think ad nauseum) I've been using paraffin
laced with a little PTFE based engine treatment for years. One of my chains
has NEVER seen a drop of oil and is still going strong at 16,614 miles (as of
last evening's club training ride).
--
jeve...@wwa.com (John V. Everett)
David Martin
In article <4s349o$4...@kirin.wwa.com>, jeve...@wwa.com (John Everett) wrote:
]
]As I've posted before (some may think ad nauseum) I've been using paraffin
]has NEVER seen a drop of oil and is still going strong at 16,614 miles (as of
]last evening's club training ride).
I didn't realise you could stretch a chain that far and still have it
working...
.d
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Ron Heard
In article <4s1rc2$g...@inferno.mpx.com.au>,
fra...@mpx.com.au (Frank Van Zanten) wrote:
>
> For general use I am now using a motorcycle chain lube. Much
> cheaper than
> Finish line, and appears similar to their cross country lube.
> Nothing
> wrong with Finish Line products, but think they are too expensive
> due to
> packaging/distribution.
At QUT where I work, there is a lecturer / researcher in
lubrication theory, who is also a fairly keen cyclist.
He strongly recommends the products designed for motor
cycle chains. The conditions on motor cycle chains are
nearly the same as for bicycle chains (continuing to
lubricate in muddy conditions when grit has attached
itself to your chain). So, he says anything containing
molybdenum disulphide, such as "Link Lube".
Marketting means these are much cheaper than the
equivalent product fro bicycles.
Take care
Ronno
oper~Chris Gillespie
Ron Heard (r.h...@qut.edu.au) wrote:
> In article <4s1rc2$g...@inferno.mpx.com.au>,
> fra...@mpx.com.au (Frank Van Zanten) wrote:
> >
> > For general use I am now using a motorcycle chain lube. Much
[ snip ]
> At QUT where I work, there is a lecturer / researcher in
> lubrication theory, who is also a fairly keen cyclist.
> He strongly recommends the products designed for motor
> cycle chains. The conditions on motor cycle chains are
> nearly the same as for bicycle chains (continuing to
> lubricate in muddy conditions when grit has attached
> itself to your chain). So, he says anything containing
> molybdenum disulphide, such as "Link Lube".
A couple of related questions for the table:
How hot do motorcycle chains get ?
Are motorcycle chain lubes designed with this in mind ?
If the above is 'yes', what is the effect of not getting the lube
hot enough (when used on your bicycle) ??
Cheers ... Chris
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',',',', MINCOM Brisbane Australia (_)/(_)
John Everett
In article <4s37j8$h...@ratatosk.uio.no>, dama...@bioslave.uio.no says...
>
>In article <4s349o$4...@kirin.wwa.com>, jeve...@wwa.com (John Everett)
wrote:
>]
>]As I've posted before (some may think ad nauseum) I've been using paraffin
>]laced with a little PTFE based engine treatment for years. One of my chains
>]has NEVER seen a drop of oil and is still going strong at 16,614 miles (as
of
>]last evening's club training ride).
>]
>I didn't realise you could stretch a chain that far and still have it
>working...
>
Yes, and when it can girdle the earth I'll replace it. Only 7386 miles of
stretch to go.
Giles Puckett
oper~Chris Gillespie wrote:
....
> A couple of related questions for the table:
>
> How hot do motorcycle chains get ?
> Are motorcycle chain lubes designed with this in mind ?
> If the above is 'yes', what is the effect of not getting the lube
> hot enough (when used on your bicycle) ??
I guess it depends on the bike but I've never noticed them
getting more than just warm. I've been using m/c chain lube,
a pommy one by Duckhams that you put on the stove (smelly!)
and melt it with the chain sitting in it. While still hot,
pull the chain out with a bit of coat hanger and let it drain
back into the pot. When it cools it really sticks. If too much of
it sticks to the outside just warm it up with a hot air gun and
let it drip off.
It's the best lube for bike chains (motor or not) I've found.
= Giles =
gi...@magna.com.au
I use WL on both my race bike (Gios with record) and training bike.
I find it the best thing since sliced bread. My chain runs smooth,
and dirt does flake off as said. This stuff is magic, and it won't
hurt your running gear a bit. It does not cope well with water, but
hey, reapply after wet rides!
TIM...@news.delphi.com
I have had good success with Finish Line's "dry" Teflon fortified lube.
I routinely get 3500-4000 miles out of a chain and replace it when I can
measure 1/8" stretch in 24" of chain under tension. so I'm impressed,
since the Campy/Sachs chain is about $25 a pop to replace! I started
using WL about 6 weeks ago. I have to lube once or twice a week to keep
the chain quiet, but that's how often I lubed with FL. Now I only wipe
down the chain instead of using a chain cleaner or taking the chain off
(using a Craig Metalworks "quick" link). Since I started using the WL
on a chain with about 3000 miles on it, I can't really give a comparison
for chain life yet.
Tim
Scott Martin
I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but on the subject
of chain lubes I suggest good old engine oil. I previously used
teflon lubes, but frankly got tired of applying it really
often. Plus I found none of them could hack it in dusty off
road conditions or anywhere in heavy rain. OK, the aesthetics
are a downer, but it does actually lubricate better and longer.
The bike is much quieter than when using Finish Line.
I use expensive synthetic motorbike oil, but only because that's
what I've got lying around. I'm sure anything would do.
Scott
Jeffrey Potoff
Your right about that. I find that all of the bike
voodoo associated with chain maintainance is rather
humorous. Pretty soon you'll hear about people who
chant magic words while spending 3 hours dripping
some magic concoction on a $20.00 part.
Jeff
Giles Puckett
Scott Martin wrote:
>
> I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but on the subject
> of chain lubes I suggest good old engine oil. I previously used
> teflon lubes, but frankly got tired of applying it really
> often. Plus I found none of them could hack it in dusty off
> road conditions or anywhere in heavy rain. OK, the aesthetics
I've found best to use a motorcycle chain lube that you heat up
and melt on the stove. It last for ages and is pretty friendly
when cooled down and actually on the bike. Otherwise it's just
a heavy oil, no witchcraft in it at all :-)
= Giles =
Theo Bekkers
Scott Martin wrote:
>
> I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but on the subject
> of chain lubes I suggest good old engine oil.
I have a container of diesel I leave my chain in for weeks while I'm
using the other one lubed in this way.
Theo
Scott Ramsey
The only voodoo in chain maintenence is remembering to actually DO it.
One probably COULD get away with simply chanting ritual appeasements of
the chain Gods, as long as they were performed frequently and regularly.
Just my 0.25 cents worth.
Terry Collins
-=> Quoting scotm25 Jul 96 08:16:26ap.csiro.au to All <=-
sc> @MSGID: dap.csiro.au 1685bd9f
sc> From: sc...@dap.csiro.au (Scott Martin)
sc> I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but on the subject
sc> of chain lubes I suggest good old engine oil. I previously used
sc> teflon lubes, but frankly got tired of applying it really
sc> often. Plus I found none of them could hack it in dusty off
sc> road conditions or anywhere in heavy rain. OK, the aesthetics
sc> are a downer, but it does actually lubricate better and longer.
sc> The bike is much quieter than when using Finish Line.
sc> I use expensive synthetic motorbike oil, but only because that's
sc> what I've got lying around. I'm sure anything would do.
Basically, the motor cycle chain lubes are best, stay on the longest,
coat the chain and protect longer. Stongly recommended for tourers.
Racers probably don't want the weight of the wax base, so tend to use
oil. The lighter the oil, the quicker it washes off.
Basic oil is great so long as you add it when the chain gets wet.
Tourers can tell you that if you don't oil your chain at the end
of a rainy day, the next day your work load goes up and so does
the noise.
Horses for courses.
sc> Scott
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