Cyclist killed on Beach Road, Melbourne
Tony Lammens
Brighton, somewhere between Park St and Dendy St (Melways 67C11/12). The
man was cycling with two others (one of whom is critically ill in
hospital) northbound when they were hit by a southbound car driven by a
20-something female which drove out of control and crossed to the other
side of the road, hitting the cyclists head-on.
I live in Frankston and cycle to the city via Beach Rd most weekends. I
had always assumed this particular stretch of road to be relatively safe
compared to, say, Springvale Road. I suppose this is just something
cyclists have absolutely no control over - just really makes you think
though. I was cycling back from the city and was diverted when I
reached the area around 11:40 this morning. I didn't find out what had
happened until the news this afternoon.
Tony.
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gentleman who passed away other than him being in the wrong place at the
wrong time? I would be interested to know also what speed this woman was
travelling at and what caused her to cross three lanes of a road, over a
wooden barricaded path and flip the car. A sad day indeed.
"Tony Lammens" <lam...@connexus.net.au> wrote in message
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Bevan Anderson
a. excessive speed
b. incompentence/unattentiveness
c. drug use
Why do people's minds switch off when they get behind the wheel of a car?
The things I see each day on the roads in sydney and melbourne astound me.
At least in melbourne there is a more extensive system of bike paths & wider
road lanes than sydney (more places to hide). I've been cycling almost every
day for the last 20 years, and havent had a accident involving a car for
almost 10. Makes me think that my time is up and I'm due for another one.
On a slightly different topic, as anyone else found that after lots of
cycling in heavy traffic, you can anticipate the actions of other drivers,
even before the thoughts cross their own minds? Kinda helps when I'm driving
too - havent come close to a car accident in 10 years of driving.
Bevan..
"Steve Hubbard" <steveh...@pacific.net.au> wrote in message
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t.cleary@pb
He was a friend of my and my brother, He will sadly miss.
Kristjan Snorrason
condition with severe internal trauma) has sadly passed away overnight.
Truly a sad day in Melbourne, not only for us riders, but for all those
involved.
Snozza
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Mr Renowden appeared to have been killed instantly.
The other rider was being assisted but was in a motionless state.
The woman driver of the car and her partner appeared dressed as if returning
from a night of clubbing.
Mr Renowden was well known within Audax circles.
Peter.
<t.cleary@pb:unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
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bourned
fault driver will say they coughed or sneezed and escape with a
miniscule fine. With a bit of creative lawyering the cyclists may even
be found to have been responsible for the accident despite being on the
opposite side of the road and riding legally. I would dearly love to
be wrong but I don't think I will be.
I extend my heartfelt sympathy to the family and friends of the two
riders involved, from the sounds of it a very unfortunate set of
circumstances that no amount of forethought on their part could have avoided.
Duncan Bourne
Rick Jones
If anyone comes across any reports of the driver being charged, perhaps they
could keep us informed. I have not read or heard any. Does anyone know if this
is the type of issue Bicycle Victoria will pursue ?
Rick
Paul Bartram
"Rick Jones" <rick....@vcp.monash.edu.au> wrote
> I too extend my thoughts to the families and friends.
>
> If anyone comes across any reports of the driver being charged,
perhaps they
> could keep us informed. I have not read or heard any.
The 4BC news up here said something about 'the driver was looking for
a dropped cigarette' but I don't know if that was a quote from the a
witness or just 'creative journalism'. But there's another subject for
discussion- 'should smoking be allowed for drivers in a moving
vehicle'. There have been plenty of single vehicle / occupant
accidents caused by those things... Strange you don't see many
cyclists smoking!
Paul
bourned
our fundamental human rights here, the right to drive a car and the
right to smoke. Give that poor driver a compensation payout.
almost done venting
Duncan Bourne
Paul
"Rick Jones" <rick....@vcp.monash.edu.au> wrote
> If anyone comes across any reports of the driver being charged, perhaps
they
> could keep us informed. I have not read or heard any. Does anyone know
if this
> is the type of issue Bicycle Victoria will pursue ?
Bicycle Victoria?? Pursue an issue for which there will be no financial
benefits for them??? I don't think so...
And media wise, there has been almost zero coverage of this here in
Melbourne...
Paul
Galen Rutledge
<3a7a442d$0$16378$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>, "Paul"
<no_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
IF two people were killed in a plane or a car, they would get
coverage.
With the legal system letting cyclist killers off with a small
fine, or actually fining cyclists (as heppened up here recently)
for allowing their rear wheel to be crushed by a car, and the
media becoming suddenly silent when cyclists are killed so
dramatically, It's hard not to suspect there is a conspiracy.
Galen
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I arrived on the scene a few minutes after the tragedy and before any emergency services
(cycling from Mordialloc to St Kilda).
That evening Sunday 27th Jan, the story was on channel 7 and channel 2 news. On channel 2
there was a clear description of what the car did and where the cyclists were and actual
helicopter shots of the collision scene, the overturned car and the damaged bicycles.
It was also in the newspapers (Age & Sun) the next day. I did not see any mention of the
subsequent death of the 2nd cyclist nor any mention of the results of the investigation.
I called the Major Investigation Collision Unit (in Glen Waverly) and the policeman I
spoke to said the investigation was on-going and that
no details of results were available to the public. He told me to ring back in a month or
2. He also asked me if I saw the car before the collision. (I didn't, I was actually a few
minutes behind the cyclists that were hit).
If there is anyone out there who saw the car that collided with the cyclists travelling in
the direction towards Mordialloc before the collision please contact the Major
Investigation Collision Unit (in Glen Waverly).
Also, if anyone has information e.g. a mention in the newspaper or on radio of the results
of the investigation, please post a message to aus.bicycle
Ilan.
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Jarkko Altonen
>With the legal system letting cyclist killers off with a small
>fine, or actually fining cyclists (as heppened up here recently)
>for allowing their rear wheel to be crushed by a car, and the
>media becoming suddenly silent when cyclists are killed so
>dramatically, It's hard not to suspect there is a conspiracy.
I blame critical mass for this.
Galen Rutledge
jar...@nospam.com wrote:
> I blame critical mass for this.
Sure, that's what happened Jarkko -- Critical Mass hit those
cyclists.
Or are you talking about how Critical mass is stifling the media?
Galen
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Jarkko Altonen
>In article <3a7b831a...@news.spin.net.au>,
>jar...@nospam.com wrote:
>
>
>> I blame critical mass for this.
>
>
>Sure, that's what happened Jarkko -- Critical Mass hit those
>cyclists.
Idiot. Read between the lines.
>Or are you talking about how Critical mass is stifling the media?
Looks like I have to explain it for you. I blame critical mass for the
public and media perceptions that us cyclists are the bad guys.
We get a pretty unsympathetic deal from the media and public these
days.
Critical Mass are the culprits. Bunch of fucken ratbags.
Galen Rutledge
jar...@nospam.com wrote:
> Looks like I have to explain it for you. I blame critical mass
> for the public and media perceptions that us cyclists are the
> bad guys.
>
> We get a pretty unsympathetic deal from the media and public
> these days.
So, why aren't enraged motorists driving through critical mass?
According to you, motorists are presented by critical mass on
Friday week ago, and do nothing at the time.
But several days later this motorist who was held up by critical
mass sees a bunch of cyclists on the other side of the street,
becomes enraged because of the critical mass they saw a few days
ago, sees red, and goes across the road to commit homicide.
Is THAT your message Jarkko?
Galen
Incidentally, according to other posters the media DID cover the
accident quite well on at least to stations, even flying the
helicopter over the scene -- so I was wrong about that.
Jarkko Altonen
>But several days later this motorist who was held up by critical
>mass sees a bunch of cyclists on the other side of the street,
>becomes enraged because of the critical mass they saw a few days
>ago, sees red, and goes across the road to commit homicide.
>
>Is THAT your message Jarkko?
Not even close.
We were talking about the media's unsymnpathetic reporting of the
incident where some cyclists were cleaned up by a wayward car driver.
My message is that cyclists are usually depicted in the media as "the
bad guys" at worst and unsympathetically at best.
I blame Critical Mass (and to a lesser extent "cowboy" cycle couriers)
for the media taking this atittude. They know the average, car driving
member of the public doesn't like cyclists.
Paul
"Jarkko Altonen" <jar...@nospam.com> wrote
> I blame Critical Mass (and to a lesser extent "cowboy" cycle couriers)
> for the media taking this atittude. They know the average, car driving
> member of the public doesn't like cyclists.
On both counts I plead not guilty... and I reply with "fuckwit".
I bet your one of the nice, 4wd driving, latte drinking, social Sunday ride
types that never actually get onto the road, never get to deal with "real
traffic" and doesn't realise there is a world outside of the Herald Sun and
A Current Affair.
Or you could just be a fuckwit troll.
Pauly (one time Courier, CM rider and current MTB activist)
Jarkko Altonen
>On both counts I plead not guilty... and I reply with "fuckwit".
Whatever.
>I bet your one of the nice, 4wd driving, latte drinking, social Sunday ride
Wrong on all counts.
>Or you could just be a fuckwit troll.
Or perhaps I am the one who can actually see the harm that CM is doing
to the image of cyclists.
Galen Rutledge
jar...@nospam.com wrote:
> We were talking about the media's unsymnpathetic reporting of
> the incident where some cyclists were cleaned up by a wayward
> car driver.
Is that really what happened?
Did you think the reporting was unsympathetic?
You DID see the reports on TV, didn't you?
> My message is that cyclists are usually depicted in the media
> as "the bad guys" at worst and unsympathetically at best.
I don't usually see them depicted at all.
What do you see along this vein on Victorian TV?
> I blame Critical Mass [...] for the media taking this
> atittude. They know the average, car driving member of the
> public doesn't like cyclists.
So how do you know these things?
Tell me how the Victorian media are "taking this attitude". Can
you cite examples?
Sorry, I am in Quensland.
Explain to me how you are so sure "the average, car driving
member of the public doesn't like cyclists" -- since this is
demonstrated by the results of which driver survey, conducted by
which driving representative body?
And how exactly are you certain that you have figured out the
whole chicken and egg scenario you allude to -- did the drivers
really hate cyclists first, or were they convinced by your
cyclist hating media?
Galen
Jeff Keith
Let's see them show their concern for cyclists - Critical Mass can show up
at this poor buggers funeral on their bikes and participate in the cortege
on their bikes.
See how the family and media react then.
Maybe they can contribute financially towards the cost of the funeral, set
up a fund for the cyclist's family etc etc.
Eventually bike rider's funerals could become one of those Palestinian style
funerals, where the dead guy is thrown from shoulder to shoulder in the
middle of a seething mass of outrage.
Galen, do you deliberatley misconstrue every post that you disagree with? I
thought Jarkko's post was pretty clear in it's intent.
Jeff
Bathurst, NSW Australia
66 Aussie Beetle
Marvin the Revbug
"Keeping the Fweem Alive"
Dorre
: Hey, I've got an idea to test out all this Critical Mass theory.
: Let's see them show their concern for cyclists - Critical Mass can show up
: at this poor buggers funeral on their bikes and participate in the cortege
: on their bikes.
: See how the family and media react then.
I think I detect a hint of sarcasm in Jeff's post, but personally,
I rather like the idea.
The risks of cycling aren't that high, but if I were unlucky
enough to die in this way, it really would be a great tribute to have
the local cyclists turn up and participate in the cortege - perhaps have
a final trip on a bicycle-powered hearse.
And if it did bring home to the media that planning and provision
for cyclists in the country isn't what it should be, then it would
certainly acheive something worthwhile.
Thanks for the idea,
Dorre
: Maybe they can contribute financially towards the cost of the funeral, set
: up a fund for the cyclist's family etc etc.
:
: Eventually bike rider's funerals could become one of those Palestinian style
: funerals, where the dead guy is thrown from shoulder to shoulder in the
: middle of a seething mass of outrage.
:
: Jeff
Jeff Keith
<rev...@ix.net.au> wrote:
>Hey, I've got an idea to test out all this Critical Mass theory.
Well, it looks like my idea certainly shut up the CM supporters ...
Paul
"Jeff Keith" <rev...@ix.net.au> wrote
> Well, it looks like my idea certainly shut up the CM supporters ...
> Jeff
It's actually called ignoring a stupid suggestion...
Paul
Jeff Keith
>
>It's actually called ignoring a stupid suggestion...
>
My point exactly!!
8^)
JEFF