Rego call from our 3AW mates
Euan
not paying rego again. Nothing new in that I guess but it's a bit of a
shitty thing to do 'cause it came on the back of someone from BV
publicising the fact that funds ear marked for cycling facilities are
being diverted in to the Commonwealth games.
Nice one Nick.
--
Cheers
Euan
GPLama
Just bring in roadworthy on bikes.. this will force homemade
retar^H^H^recumbent bikes to at least be of some standard.. I'm sure
craigster will agree!...
cheers,
GPL
cfsmtb
Pfff! Wasn't young Nick reading The Hun last week? Was the BV story
about Melb City Council cycle funding being diverted away, to the tune
of $200K+?
Car rego import racket:
http://tinyurl.com/bvruh
Database blamed for vehicle registration system problems:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;860303173;fp;16;fpid;0
Now, paraphasing a blog entry I did last week and taking the above
example into consideration: bicycle rego in Victoria has got Sweet FA
chance of *ever* being taken seriously. Dead and buried. Cactus. I'll
haul out this news article and recite it ad finitum when the
conversation at dinner parties or pub sessions turn to "Cyclists don't
pay petrol taxes, don't hold cars licenses blahblahblah."
Has Nick McCallum done the hard IT R&D into a possible solution? Smells
like WOFTAM :D
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cfsmtb
BrettM
news:cfsmtb...@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com:
Of cause cyclists pay fuel tax. It's called GST and it is on all
manufactured food such as protein suppliments, power bars and
gasp....snakes...
Cheers
BrettM
SteveA
And what about a 'tyre price equalisation tax law'. I wouldn't mind
whether it was based on weight or width, but I'd like to stop paying
such high prices for the rubber I put on the bike compared to rubber
that goes on cars.
23mm tyre for $60 compared to 195mm tyre for $200. The bike tyre
should cost $23.59. Alternatively tax the car tyre to make it $508.70.
SteveA
--
SteveA
Carl Brewer
and how much should a 6.8kg roadbike cost compared to a 1.5tonne
dunnydore? :)
SteveA
$204 :D
SteveA
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SteveA
Around Australia Recumbent Style
news:42b67...@news.melbourne.pipenetworks.com...
Strange, but I fail to see what is wrong with homemade recumbents and I fail
to see what registering a bike has to do with recumbents either.
I presume however that you are referring to the need to comply with certain
standards to achieve registration in the same manner as you do for a car.
Pray tell, what is wrong with homemade recumbents?
As far as a certain standard is concerned, the only thing I can see it
achieving is that it might stop some home welders being able to get their
bikes registered, but with the standard of welding many recumbent people do
these days those unable to attain registration would only be a small
percentage of the recumbent group anyway. So unless you go like the
Americans in the racing community and actually pass a law that defines a
bicycle to stop them, you couldn't ban recumbents anyway. Add to that the
fact that I doubt any Government in a free society would want to stamp on
the right of a person to express themselves, banning recumbents would not
happen.
People make different types of recumbents because they can and because they
want to be different - a wonderful commodity courtesy of the free society we
enjoy and live in.
So, having had my say on your comments about recumbent riders I would offer
my thoughts on the registration point.
Personally I would love to see bi/trikes registered as it would provide some
level of accountability/identification like they do in some European
countries, but I am sure most people would vote against it because it would
be seen as another tax and most would not want to register their
kids/grandkids bikes.
The biggest problem of registration I see is that at what level, size,
shape, cost or level/type of use do you require registration? I would hasten
to guess that it [the law] would become too hard to regulate anyway because
there are just as many variations in diamond frame bikes as there is in the
recumbent range. Just because they are welded by a robot in Taiwan doesn't
make them any better, nor does it stop people tinkering and adding or
changing parts to suit their ego's or personalities.
Remember, it used to be law to register your bike in Western Australia and
they got rid of the law because it was too hard to regulate and police, let
alone administer.
So back to your comments about homemade recumbents - pray tell, what is it
that has got you upset about homemade recumbents?
Regards
Andrew
http://www.geocities.com/andrewhooker59/CycleTouring.html
Peter McCallum
I'd just like to point out that he's no relation of mine.
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Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA
GPLama
>
> So back to your comments about homemade recumbents - pray tell, what is it
> that has got you upset about homemade recumbents?
>
Fair enough.. all true and valid points.. as for why I don't like
recumbents, I'm not quite sure.. I've had a nasty incident with a 'bent
rider on CM, almost get hit by a guy on one every morning going to work (who
is completely invisible I swear).. and the incident with craigster yesterday
(see BR52 thread)..
Don't take my comments/opinions to heart.. I could name a list of other
things that I dislike for no real reason.. for example, the PT Cruiser,
white "i have an ipod" earphones, and attitudes of A-grade crit riders..
just to name a few ;)
As for the rego thing, I'd love to see many things require a license.. but
don't get me started on that! :)
cheers,
GPL
:punished by the rain gods on the way home, they must ride 'bents!:
craigster_jd
Around Australia Recumbent Style Wrote:
> "GPLama" <geep...@NOSPekam.com> wrote in message
> > Just bring in roadworthy on bikes.. this will force homemade
> > retar^H^H^recumbent bikes to at least be of some standard.. I'm
> sure
> > craigster will agree!...
>
>
> So back to your comments about homemade recumbents - pray tell, what is
> it
> that has got you upset about homemade recumbents?
>
> Regards
> Andrew
>
brought down after hitting a home-made recumbent which suffered
mechanical failure (chain-loss resulting in front-wheel lockup)
immediately in front of me.
Refer to:
http://tinyurl.com/8ewka
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craigster_jd
531Aussie
SteveA Wrote:
> And what about a 'tyre price equalisation tax law'. I wouldn't mind
> whether it was based on weight or width, but I'd like to stop paying
> such high prices for the rubber I put on the bike compared to rubber
> that goes on cars.
>
> 23mm tyre for $60 compared to 195mm tyre for $200. The bike tyre
> should cost $23.59. Alternatively tax the car tyre to make it $508.70.
>
I recently bought some 225 x 50 x 15" car tyres for $128 each, and
they'll probably do 70,000km (the way I drive :p), they can support a
tonne & a half of car, they can tollerate braking loads of a gazillion
kg, and they're rated to a zillion kmh!!!??!!!?? I bought a Vittoria
Open Corsa Evo ks for $100, and I got 3000km out of it, and it's rated
to what?......120kmh?
I heard all the arguments: the higher volume of cars tyres; supply and
demend; a $80 bike tyre is like buying a $1500 car tyre, but
still........ :)
--
531Aussie
Tamyka Bell
I figured that, even if he HAD been, he wouldn't be any more...
Tam
Tamyka Bell
He was getting the lurkers to show themselves hehehehe...
Tam
LotteBum
Nick McCallum's e-mail address is nmcc...@3aw.com.au.
I e-mailed him as follows:
Dear Nick,
I write with response to your comments on air regarding the payment of
registration by cyclists. I am a cyclist, and I cover in excess of
300km on a weekly basis, most of this being my commute to and from
work. On days that I ride my bike to work, my (registered) car sits at
home. It doesn’t join the thousands of cars clogging our already
gridlocked roads. It doesn’t take up parking in the city, nor at the
train station where I regularly park, nor am I occupying a seat on
public transport, rather leaving one for one of those normally
standing. Instead I am on my bike doing the right thing - not
contributing to gridlock, nor pollution. Every time I am on my bike,
the car sits at home in my garage, where it would otherwise be driven.
So please excuse me if I think that expecting cyclists to pay a
registration fee on bicycles is ridiculous.
Feel free to call me next time you are in Brisbane on 0422 331 286.
I’d love to discuss this further over lunch.
Yours sincerely,
Lotte Hougaard
*-_Your_turn!!!_-*
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LotteBum
cfsmtb
Superb :)
Other email contact details for 3AW:
http://www.3aw.com.au/about_3aw/contactus.htm
..and a online Feedback Form:
http://www.3aw.com.au/about_3aw/feedback_form.htm
Now, fellow a.b viewers, please feel free to express your opinions :p
--
cfsmtb
pase
whats the basis of his argument anyway?
i dont have to register my shoes to walk down the street do i?
--
pase
flyingdutch
cfsmtb Wrote:
> Superb :)
>
> Other email contact details for 3AW:
> http://www.3aw.com.au/about_3aw/contactus.htm
>
> http://www.3aw.com.au/about_3aw/feedback_form.htm
>
> Now, fellow a.b viewers, please feel free to express your opinions :p
they'll just turn it round and cherrypick the words they want to hear
and make a non-sensical rant out of it IMHO.
on a totally OT note riding to work this morning thru kew parkland and
who should i pass out on her morning jog but 'Our Cathy'.
said 'morning' before i recognised her and she smiled that big smile.
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flyingdutch
LotteBum
FD said
they'll just turn it round and cherrypick the words they want to hear
and make a non-sensical rant out of it IMHO.
Typical for bunch of old f*ckers. My dad, despite riding his bike to
work daily and not even owning a car until age 33, HATES bikes. He's
become such a typical Grumpy Old Australian Man (I say that in such a
way to imply that he Danish and you would think he'd be 'pro
cyclists').
on a totally OT note riding to work this morning thru kew parkland and
who should i pass out on her morning jog but 'Our Cathy'.
said 'morning' before i recognised her and she smiled that big smile.
I don't acknowledge anyone, unless they are really good looking, in
which case I say "Show us yer nawks/pecker". Other than that, I really
don't talk to anyone when I ride.
--
LotteBum
Tamyka Bell
> on a totally OT note riding to work this morning thru kew parkland and
> who should i pass out on her morning jog but 'Our Cathy'.
> said 'morning' before i recognised her and she smiled that big smile.
LB said:
> I don't acknowledge anyone, unless they are really good looking, in
> which case I say "Show us yer nawks/pecker". Other than that, I really
> don't talk to anyone when I ride.
I was wondering who that was, yelling at me...
Tam
Daniel S
its face when you look at how many cyclists actually DO pay rego because
they own cars as well. In fact, at the "Wheels of Justice" rally in
Adelaide the speaker (not sure which one) got a show of hands as to who
owned a car and there was probably 90% of people with their hands up....
Man I hate those radio shock jocks....
Theo Bekkers
> Remember, it used to be law to register your bike in Western
> Australia and they got rid of the law because it was too hard to
> regulate and police, let alone administer.
When I was a teenager, my bike was registered. It was actually quite easy to
police and administer. Every bicycle had a numberplate which expired on the
same day each year. When you re-registered your bike you got a new plate
which was a different colour to the previous one. Wrong coloured plate meant
your bke was not registered. The plate was affixed to the bike under the top
tube with a couple of clamps. The fee at the time (mid-fifties) was 2/6 per
annum. The registration scheme was dropped because the cost of issueing the
plate and keeping records far exceeded the revenue gathered.
Theo
EuanB
pase Wrote:
> whats the basis of his argument anyway?
>
> i dont have to register my shoes to walk down the street do i?
required for an arguement?
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Cheers
Euan
--
EuanB
flyingdutch
LotteBum Wrote:
>
>
> I don't acknowledge anyone, unless they are really good looking, in
> which case I say "Show us yer nawks/pecker". Other than that, I really
> don't talk to anyone when I ride.
maybe tomorrow...
--
flyingdutch
Tamyka Bell
It seems obvious to me that the real problem is as follows: the plate
cannot be attached to my frame, or my seatpost, for that matter. It will
not fit with the bidon cages, the profile behind-the-seat bidon cages,
the bento box, the gu flask, the pump, the bag, the goddamn triple, the
lights, the bells, the whistles...
Tam *triathlete is trying to resurface*
Theo Bekkers
> Theo Bekkers wrote:
>> The plate was affixed to the bike under the top tube with a couple of
>> clamps.
> It seems obvious to me that the real problem is as follows: the plate
> cannot be attached to my frame, or my seatpost, for that matter. It
> will not fit with the bidon cages, the profile behind-the-seat bidon
> cages, the bento box, the gu flask, the pump, the bag, the goddamn
> triple, the lights, the bells, the whistles...
Did you miss this part. "The plate was affixed to the bike under the top
tube with a couple of clamps". On a proper racing bike there is a braze-on
at this position for your racing number. Of course, if you don't have a
proper racing bike, your local bike shop had heaps of custom clamps designed
especially for this purpose. :-)
Theo
LotteBum
I e-mailed my letter to my very significant other and he replied with
the following:
I had a look, interesting.
one thing to consider is if push bikes had to be registered for road
use then motorists would *have* to accept bikes. And one of their main
arguments for bikes not being on the road would vanish. Would be ok if
rego was 20 - 30 dollars for as long as you own the bike, and was a
small stiker or tag that could be stuck on a chain stay or something
like that. Would also allow you to register your bike with its serial
number. Which might limit bike theft????
It would be worth spending the dollars to stick it to car drivers who
hate bike riders.......\"ive paid my rego and will ride where I please,
thank you very much\".
Might even make it easier to hold drivers accountable when they crash
into a registered road user.
Anyhow they are my thoughts on how having a registered bike might be of
benefit on the road. Heaps of riders would complain but if someone
crashed into you and your bike was registered you should be able to
stick it to them in a big way.
Also bike shops would be able to sell the rego and mabye include it in
the price for road bikes.
--
LotteBum
LotteBum
Tamyka said
I was wondering who that was, yelling at me...
If it were either of those two remarks or "Straight line cocklunch!",
it would have been me.
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LotteBum
Tamyka Bell
Hmm "affixed to the bike under the top tube with a couple of clamps" is
pretty vague, as clamps come in a lot of different shapes and sizes, so
I had assumed that you meant those LBS custom clamps. :)
Anyway I've never seen such braze ons or have not noticed them so any
pics please send a link; the only race numbers I have used that weren't
attached to me were a sticker on my seatpost (half IM) and a laminated
number zip tied onto my bars (MTB).
On Saturday I got the joy of sticking pins into myself, until Abby
pinned my number on for me (a lot of the guys seemed to be ripping their
jerseys off to pin numbers on but I thought that if I tried this it
might cause a stir...)
Tam
Stuart Lamble
> On Saturday I got the joy of sticking pins into myself, until Abby
> pinned my number on for me (a lot of the guys seemed to be ripping their
> jerseys off to pin numbers on but I thought that if I tried this it
> might cause a stir...)
What -- you mean you weren't wearing a sports bra? ;) (Let's be honest
here -- you'll see less through a sports bra than through lots of other
items of clothing that are more socially acceptable ...)
--
My Usenet From: address now expires after two weeks. If you email me, and
the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet".
Tamyka Bell
>
> On 2005-06-21, Tamyka Bell <t.b...@uq.edu.au> wrote:
> > On Saturday I got the joy of sticking pins into myself, until Abby
> > pinned my number on for me (a lot of the guys seemed to be ripping their
> > jerseys off to pin numbers on but I thought that if I tried this it
> > might cause a stir...)
>
> What -- you mean you weren't wearing a sports bra? ;) (Let's be honest
> here -- you'll see less through a sports bra than through lots of other
> items of clothing that are more socially acceptable ...)
Hahaha, that wasn't my problem - I didn't want to let the pot belly out
and spoil my image!! :P
Tam
Graeme
> (a lot of the guys seemed to be ripping their
> jerseys off to pin numbers on but I thought that if I tried this it
> might cause a stir...)
Nope, you'd have got no reaction whatsoever, honest. I recommend you try it
several times just to prove my point. Any gawping you witness won't be at
you but at someone wearing a silly hat standing just behind you (who'll
disappear the second you turn round) ;)
Graeme
Absent Husband
pinned my number on for me (a lot of the guys seemed to be ripping
their
jerseys off to pin numbers on but I thought that if I tried this it
might cause a stir...) "
<snip>
When I'm a bit more competitive, I'll be dipping those pins in botox
first..... Gotta get any advantage I can!!
("Hmm, tingling sensation around my torso... What the?? *thud*")
Absent Husband (who on earth is Abby??) ;)
531Aussie
Another reason people like Mitchell have the argument arse-about:
It's absolutely laughable that he thinks he's being inconvenienced by
the occasional cyclist that he has to drive around, then he sits behind
60 cars at a set of lights for 5 mins!! . He should want MORE riders on
the road, assuming that more riders = less cars. Imagine if he was the
only person who drove to work, and everyone else rode. He would have
ALL the freeways to himself, and all the bikes would barely use up one
lane of Princes Hwy, St Kilda Rd, and all the other main thourough
fairs, etc, etc
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531Aussie
Tamyka Bell
Yeah... I was going so fast I couldn't hear you... :P
Tam
flyingdutch
Theo Bekkers Wrote:
>
> The registration scheme was dropped because the cost of issueing the
> plate and keeping records far exceeded the revenue gathered.
>
> Theo
that's why it will never get up again here too!
Also no politician (believe it or not) will never be seen to be
actively discouraging exercise/activity.
besides, they dont nake CF rego-plates... :rolleyes:
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flyingdutch
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> Theo Bekkers Wrote:
>>
>> The registration scheme was dropped because the cost of issueing the
>> plate and keeping records far exceeded the revenue gathered.
>
> Also no politician (believe it or not) will never be seen to be
> actively discouraging exercise/activity.
Peter Sig has told you about the bicycle counts at his local school
before and after 199x, hasn't he? Something like 300 down to 25.
> besides, they dont nake CF rego-plates... :rolleyes:
But they don't make CF bells either, and you still have to ride with
them on :)
--
TimC
The path to enlightenment_0.16.5-6 is through apt-get
Theo Bekkers
> Anyway I've never seen such braze ons or have not noticed them so any
> pics please send a link; the only race numbers I have used that
> weren't attached to me were a sticker on my seatpost (half IM) and a
> laminated number zip tied onto my bars (MTB).
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/may05/wachovia05/?id=USPRO/JD05uspro08
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/may05/wachovia05/?id=USPRO/JD05uspro09
These appear to be canvas and zip-tied. Racing numbers used to be metal and
bolted to a brazon at that location. My Conti frame has one.
This is Lance with the #1 plate at last year's Tour
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour04.php?id=photos/2004/tour04/stage20/JD_tdf04_stg20_3
Theo
Nick Payne
course, if the authorities provide me with a proper support vehicle that
follows me around in case I puncture then I can dispense with the pump and
fit their rego plates...wonder if I can move the plate from bike to bike
depending on which one I am riding or whether I need a dozen plates so that
I have one for each bike. My mate who collects bikes and has several dozen
of them will be in deep shit if that is the case.
How about if I swap the frame but keep the same components? Is that the same
bike or not? How about if the BB shell (where the serial number is stamped)
cracks and is replaced. Is that the same bike?
Nick
"Theo Bekkers" <tbek...@bekkers.com.au> wrote in message
news:42b77d2f$1...@news.bekkers.com.au...
Theo Bekkers
> flyingdutch wrote
>> besides, they dont nake CF rego-plates... :rolleyes:
> But they don't make CF bells either, and you still have to ride with
> them on :)
In WA you can get Polycarbonate rego-plates for cars.
http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/licensing/plates/platecost.html
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> I need a pump, and it fits under the top tube on most of my bikes. Of
> course, if the authorities provide me with a proper support vehicle
> that follows me around in case I puncture then I can dispense with
> the pump and fit their rego plates...wonder if I can move the plate
> from bike to bike depending on which one I am riding or whether I
> need a dozen plates so that I have one for each bike. My mate who
> collects bikes and has several dozen of them will be in deep shit if
> that is the case.
> How about if I swap the frame but keep the same components? Is that
> the same bike or not? How about if the BB shell (where the serial
> number is stamped) cracks and is replaced. Is that the same bike?
Same tired old arguments the motorcycle crowd uses. All bicycles in WA had
plates in the fifties, most also had pumps, some had bidons. All motorcycles
in the 70's had front plates, now there are a million arguments why they
can't be fitted. Get real Nick.
Theo
DaveB
> Same tired old arguments the motorcycle crowd uses. All bicycles in WA had
> plates in the fifties, most also had pumps, some had bidons. All motorcycles
> in the 70's had front plates, now there are a million arguments why they
> can't be fitted. Get real Nick.
>
> Theo
>
>
Motorcycles can't have front number plates because then I would have to
slow down for front facing speed cameras. Bahahahahahahahahaha.
DaveB
Resound
>All motorcycles
> in the 70's had front plates, now there are a million arguments why they
> can't be fitted. Get real Nick.
>
> Theo
flyingdutch
Theo Bekkers Wrote:
> TThis is Lance with the #1 plate at last year's Tour
> http://tinyurl.com/andfn
>
> Theo
TREK's bikes come straight from factory with special number-mounting
bracket...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2005/features/pro_bike_prep
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flyingdutch
SteveA
If I have to have a number plate on my bike, I'm getting a:
"*Eclipse Number Plate Blackout Frame* - Designed and intended for show
bikes and display purposes only. The Eclipse License Plate Frame has a
clear glass panel that goes dark with the flip of a dash or fairing,
mounted switch. A red LED light indicates when The Eclipse is dark, so
you wont accidently ride off with the license plate obscured. 12v
powered - includes wiring, fuse, switch, LED, controller and
instructions. "
http://www.amcmotorcycles.com/index.html?lang=en-uk&target=d274.html
Red light camera - hahaha
speed camera - hahaha
SteveA
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SteveA
Around Australia Recumbent Style
news:42B751E4...@uq.edu.au...
> craigster_jd wrote:
>>
>> Around Australia Recumbent Style Wrote:
>> > "GPLama" <geep...@NOSPekam.com> wrote in message
>> > news:42b67...@news.melbourne.pipenetworks.com...[color=blue]
>> > > Just bring in roadworthy on bikes.. this will force homemade
>> > > retar^H^H^recumbent bikes to at least be of some standard.. I'm
>> > sure
>> > > craigster will agree!...
>> >
>> > [Message Snipped]
>> >
>> > So back to your comments about homemade recumbents - pray tell, what is
>> > it
>> > that has got you upset about homemade recumbents?
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> He was referring (light-heartedly) to an incident yesterday, when I was
>> brought down after hitting a home-made recumbent which suffered
>> mechanical failure (chain-loss resulting in front-wheel lockup)
>> immediately in front of me.
>>
>> Refer to:
>> http://tinyurl.com/8ewka
>>
>> --
>> craigster_jd
>
> He was getting the lurkers to show themselves hehehehe...
>
> Tam
Tam.
If you call looking in here every now and then "lurking" then so be it. I
used to follow many newsgroups but stopped because of so much rubbish and
Spam, so now I just have a gander every now and then to see if things have
improved.
Regards
Andrew
Around Australia Recumbent Style
news:42b6c448$1...@news.melbourne.pipenetworks.com...
> "Around Australia Recumbent Style" wrote in message...
>>
>> So back to your comments about homemade recumbents - pray tell, what is
>> it that has got you upset about homemade recumbents?
>>
>
> recumbents, I'm not quite sure.. I've had a nasty incident with a 'bent
> rider on CM, almost get hit by a guy on one every morning going to work
> (who is completely invisible I swear).. and the incident with craigster
> yesterday (see BR52 thread)..
>
> Don't take my comments/opinions to heart.. I could name a list of other
> things that I dislike for no real reason.. for example, the PT Cruiser,
> white "i have an ipod" earphones, and attitudes of A-grade crit riders..
> just to name a few ;)
>
> As for the rego thing, I'd love to see many things require a license.. but
> don't get me started on that! :)
>
>
> cheers,
> GPL
> :punished by the rain gods on the way home, they must ride 'bents!:
>
Thanks for the reply. Nothing taken to heart or offended.
I often see what I thought your post was going to be (a flame) and wonder
why we [cyclists] appear to be beating on each other when we should be
taking on the politicians and those who think bikes are for kids and not for
roads or transport.
Regards and safe cycling,
Andrew
http://www.geocities.com/andrewhooker59/CycleTouring.html
Around Australia Recumbent Style
> Around Australia Recumbent Style wrote:
>
>> Remember, it used to be law to register your bike in Western
>> Australia and they got rid of the law because it was too hard to
>> regulate and police, let alone administer.
>
> When I was a teenager, my bike was registered. It was actually quite easy
> to police and administer. Every bicycle had a numberplate which expired on
> the same day each year. When you re-registered your bike you got a new
> plate which was a different colour to the previous one. Wrong coloured
> under the top tube with a couple of clamps. The fee at the time
> (mid-fifties) was 2/6 per annum. The registration scheme was dropped
> the revenue gathered.
>
Theo.
Thanks for the info. Interesting that the price was 2/6. What would that
equate to in today's coin?
Regards
Andrew
http://www.geocities.com/andrewhooker59/CycleTouring.html
Terry Collins
> Thanks for the info. Interesting that the price was 2/6. What would that
> equate to in today's coin?
25 cents.
NoZX6R
exactly. The argument for bike registration is ridiculous because it
doesn't actually solve a problem.
Despite their own perceptions, I'd challenge anyone to prove that they
are being held up by cyclists. I just don't think it happens.
I don't think bike registration is ever likely to be implemented anyway.
It would certainly lose the government money.
Why don't the radio dickheads complain about the many thousands of motor
vehicles being driven every day, unregistered and/or driven by
unlicensed drivers. Surely that's a much worse problem.
--
Nick
LotteBum
NoZX6R wrote:
The argument for bike registration is ridiculous because it
doesn't actually solve a problem.
I agree 100% and as much as I hate the thought of registration for
bicycles being implemented, as stated in one of my earlier posts (my
partner's response to my e-mail sent to Nick McCallum), it *may* be in
our favour in terms of rights on the roads. It would certainly end the
argument, wouldn't it, and maybe - just maybe - we might gain the rights
we deserve on te roads. Having said that, depending on what sort of
cash we're talking about, it could also deter some from riding bikes.
Despite their own perceptions, I'd challenge anyone to prove that they
are being held up by cyclists. I just don't think it happens.
No way! I am of the opionion that I am more frequently held up by
other cars when I'm driving. Bikes never seem to inconvenience me,
because when I see one up ahead, I just change lanes and go around them
(but of course, this requires some thought...).
I don't think bike registration is ever likely to be implemented
anyway.
It would certainly lose the government money.
They wouldn't lose my vote over it, but it would definitely contribute.
Why don't the radio dickheads complain about the many thousands of
motor
vehicles being driven every day, unregistered and/or driven by
unlicensed drivers. Surely that's a much worse problem.
Because it's their job to argue about things people feel passionately
about. Few people feel passionately about the environment and/or their
little boy driving around in a - I mean hey! Just look at this frigging
country -it definitely shows that few people care.
--
LotteBum
Theo Bekkers
> If I have to have a number plate on my bike, I'm getting a:
> http://www.amcmotorcycles.com/index.html?lang=en-uk&target=d274.html
>
> Red light camera - hahaha
> speed camera - hahaha
So the only reason you object to number plates is so you can break the law
with impunity. Somehow I don't think that's going to convince the
legislators.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> Thanks for the info. Interesting that the price was 2/6. What would
> that equate to in today's coin?
Wages were around $40 per week then, $800 now, so would equate to $5.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
Only if your wages are now $40 per week. :-)
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> I agree 100% and as much as I hate the thought of registration for
> bicycles being implemented, as stated in one of my earlier posts (my
> partner's response to my e-mail sent to Nick McCallum), it *may* be in
> our favour in terms of rights on the roads. It would certainly end
> the argument, wouldn't it, and maybe - just maybe - we might gain the
> rights we deserve on te roads.
I doubt it. The argument then would be " I pay $500 to register my car,
bikes pay $5. They should get outa my way". It's the way Truckies think.
Theo
Tamyka Bell
>
> > He was getting the lurkers to show themselves hehehehe...
> >
> > Tam
>
> Tam.
>
> If you call looking in here every now and then "lurking" then so be it. I
> used to follow many newsgroups but stopped because of so much rubbish and
> Spam, so now I just have a gander every now and then to see if things have
> improved.
> Regards
> Andrew
So what was the verdict?
Tam *who repeatedly vagues out on every other newsgp but is addicted to
a.b, actually is addicted to b*
SteveA
clearly illegal for use on the road. I wish I could ride fast enough
that multinova cameras were an issue for me. I don't ride through red
lights as I have a fear of being splatted by cars, so avoiding red
light cameras equally is not an issue for me.
Oh, and the technology appealed to me and I thought it might appeal to
others on this forum.
SteveA
--
SteveA
ProfTournesol
Euan Wrote:
> Wifey tells me Nick McCallum's been frothing at the mouth about
> cyclists
> not paying rego again. Nothing new in that I guess but it's a bit of
> a
> shitty thing to do 'cause it came on the back of someone from BV
> publicising the fact that funds ear marked for cycling facilities are
> being diverted in to the Commonwealth games.
>
> Nice one Nick.
> --
> Cheers
> Euan
It's a bit weird isn't it: in one breath they demand that cyclists pay
registration fees, but then ask them what should happen next and they
say get them all off the roads and onto footpaths/cyclepaths!
--
ProfTournesol
Theo Bekkers
>> All motorcycles
>> in the 70's had front plates, now there are a million arguments why
>> they can't be fitted. Get real Nick.
> There's a reason why they stopped fitting them too.
I can only infer from your leaving this up in the air that you expect me to
sit here flabbergasted, wondering what on earth the reason could have been.
I'm sorry to dissappoint you. Yes, I do know what the reason was. I was
there when they stopped fitting them, and still have my old (removed) front
number plate and the bracket that attached it to the mudguard.
Theo
EuanB
ProfTournesol Wrote:
> It's a bit weird isn't it: in one breath they demand that cyclists pay
> registration fees, but then ask them what should happen next and they
> say get them all off the roads and onto footpaths/cyclepaths!
Here's my stab at the `logic'
1. Rego pays for roads.
2. Motorists pay rego therefore deserve to be on roads.
3. Pursuant to (2) cyclists don't deserve to be on roads.
4. Unfortunately cyclists are lawful vehicles.
5. So why are cycling facilities being funded out of our rego which
pays for roads?
6. Cyclists should pay rego.
7. Cyclists pay rego, they can have their own roads.
8. We just don't want cyclists on our roads because our rego paid for
them.
See? It's perfectly logical. Now do your civic duty, ditch that toy
you dare to call a vehicle and go spend a years wages on a
conformadore.
--
Cheers
Euan
--
EuanB
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> you dare to call a vehicle and go spend a years wages on a
> conformadore.
Speaking of which, the speaker at the last MBTC meeting showed me
something: You should calculate the effective speed of the vehicle
when looking for a new vehicle.
The effective speed of a vehicle is the distance travelled, divided by
the time it took to earn that distance travelled.
The time it took to earn that distance travelled is defined as the
time it took to drive the trip, plus the time it took to earn your
wages to pay for the fuel, the depreciation of the car, the
maintenance, etc.
It turns out the bicycle is the fastest vehicle out there, at
something like 20km/h. A light modern car is something like 15km/h.
Luxury and big cars are even slower. The lamgonini? It's *way* slow
:)
--
TimC
"The Internet is the most powerful stupidity amplifier ever invented.
It's like television without the television part." -- James "Kibo" Parry
531Aussie
531 Wrote:
> > , and all the other main thourough
> > fairs, etc, etc
> >
> ooopps, that should've read "thorough fair : :o :(
--
531Aussie
Theo Bekkers
Or even thoroughfare.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> It turns out the bicycle is the fastest vehicle out there, at
> something like 20km/h. A light modern car is something like 15km/h.
> Luxury and big cars are even slower.
Actually a small motorcycle or a scooter is faster.
Theo
Tamyka Bell
It would be interesting to add into that calculation the time required
to maintain basic fitness... by riding a bike to work, you're combining
transport and physical activity, thereby saving more time.
Tam
DaveB
>
> It would be interesting to add into that calculation the time required
> to maintain basic fitness... by riding a bike to work, you're combining
> transport and physical activity, thereby saving more time.
>
> Tam
That's what convinces me not to use the motorbike in the mornings. I
figure if I need to do a training ride anyway, it might as well get me
to work.
DaveB
EuanB
TimC Wrote:
>
> The effective speed of a vehicle is the distance travelled, divided by
> the time it took to earn that distance travelled.
>
> The time it took to earn that distance travelled is defined as the
> time it took to drive the trip, plus the time it took to earn your
> wages to pay for the fuel, the depreciation of the car, the
> maintenance, etc.
>
> It turns out the bicycle is the fastest vehicle out there, at
> something like 20km/h. A light modern car is something like 15km/h.
> Luxury and big cars are even slower. The lamgonini? It's *way* slow
> :)
>
> --
> TimC
> "The Internet is the most powerful stupidity amplifier ever invented.
> It's like television without the television part." -- James "Kibo"
> Parry
http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/advocacy/autocost.htm
Yes I work in government. No, work isn't usually this slow. Honest.
Oh and my name's not Bruce. It's Euan. The B is for Buchanan. :-)
ProfTournesol
EuanB Wrote:
> See you're not thinking the way you should be thinking.
>
>
> you dare to call a vehicle and go spend a years wages on a
> conformadore.
> --
> Cheers
> Euan
Yeah, you're right, I can only understand it if I stop thinking:-)
--
ProfTournesol
ritcho
EuanB Wrote:
>
>
> []
>
> See? It's perfectly logical. Now do your civic duty, ditch that toy
> you dare to call a vehicle and go spend a years wages on a
> conformadore.
> --
> Cheers
> Euan
A year's wages for a dunnydore? It'd want to be a bloody good heapa!
Ritch
--
ritcho
Tamyka Bell
...then the commute gets faster... so you add detours... up big hills...
Tam *likes her bikes*
531Aussie
Theo Bekkers Wrote:
> 531Aussie wrote:
> fair : :o :([/color]
>
> Or even thoroughfare...........:D :p :)
--
531Aussie
Theo Bekkers
> Theo Bekkers wrote:
>> Actually a small motorcycle or a scooter is faster.
> It would be interesting to add into that calculation the time required
> to maintain basic fitness... by riding a bike to work, you're
> combining transport and physical activity, thereby saving more time.
I wrote a letter about twenty years ago which got published in Two Wheels
comparing small, medium, and large cars to (my then $2000 bicycle) and
motorcycles using hours worked parameters. I included spreadsheets and
showed that the most economical means of transport was a 250cc motorcycle.
It was half the cost of the bicycle.
Theo
dave
> I e-mailed my letter to my very significant other and he replied with
> the following:
>
> I had a look, interesting.
>
> one thing to consider is if push bikes had to be registered for road
> use then motorists would *have* to accept bikes. And one of their main
> arguments for bikes not being on the road would vanish.
Thats true. But its a self evident spurious arguament and only put
forword by self evidently spurious people.
Would be ok if
> rego was 20 - 30 dollars for as long as you own the bike, and was a
> small stiker or tag that could be stuck on a chain stay or something
> like that. Would also allow you to register your bike with its serial
> number. Which might limit bike theft????
Yeah it might.
>
> It would be worth spending the dollars to stick it to car drivers who
> hate bike riders.......\"ive paid my rego and will ride where I please,
> thank you very much\".
But you can. And you domt need a licence to use the road.. you actually
have a right to be there. (right as I am here of right and do not need
a licence)
>
> Might even make it easier to hold drivers accountable when they crash
> into a registered road user.
Ummm No
>
> Anyhow they are my thoughts on how having a registered bike might be of
> benefit on the road. Heaps of riders would complain but if someone
> crashed into you and your bike was registered you should be able to
> stick it to them in a big way.
Nope. You cannot actually do that now. You can have em charged (or
not) or the cops can charge em. And of course you can beat the crap out
of em (easier than a car driver can becouse you should be harder to
track down:) Or you can drag em into court. And if you were
registered.,. the thumping option would be a little more dodgy and the
others would be exactly the same.
>
> Also bike shops would be able to sell the rego and mabye include it in
> the price for road bikes.
>
>
Right.. Vic roads wouldnt insist on running it.. NOT.
dave
>>All motorcycles
>>in the 70's had front plates, now there are a million arguments why they
>>can't be fitted. Get real Nick.
>>
>
> There's a reason why they stopped fitting them too.
>
>
half.
Resound
"Theo Bekkers" <tbek...@bekkers.com.au> wrote in message
news:42b8dc36$1...@news.bekkers.com.au...
Nope, I figured if you knew about them, you'd know why they're not used
anymore. The point was not to leave you gaping. I'm just wondering why you
raised it. You seemed to be suggesting that it was a point AGAINST not
fitting license plates, when it brings up (amongst the alleged million
reasons) at least one reason FOR not fitting plates. Or do you commonly
raise points that are diametrically opposed to your argument without a
rebuttal? And, yes, I know that you were talking about plates mounted on the
frame for bicycles versus front guard mounted plates for motorbikes. I
thought that simply made it irrelevant, but you clearly didn't as you raised
the point to begin with.
Actually, I don't entirely disagree with the sentiment behind your original
post, I just like playing devil's advocate. And I thought it was a poor
argument, so I stirred the pot.
Euan
Terry> EuanB wrote:
>> Here's my stab at the `logic'
Terry> which is faulty because;
>> 1. Rego pays for roads.
Terry> Rego does not pay for the roads, but is simply a licence to
Terry> drive a motor vehicle. rego just pays for the rego mob.
>> 2. Motorists pay rego therefore deserve to be on roads.
Terry> I pay for the roads and I therefore deserve to be on the
Terry> roads.
Terry> Splitty; in NSW, pensioners do not pay rego and I understand
Terry> that most cars have their rego paid as company vehicles. so
Terry> very few people actually pay rego.
I was being sarcastic which the person I was responding to seemed to
get.
Try following the thread before jumping in.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)
Around Australia Recumbent Style
The Verdict? - Slightly better than before but still bordering on not worth
the bother.
I have found a good site at http://www.archive.org/web/web.php even though
it is *not* totally Australian.The good thing is that it seems to have less
rubbish being posted.
Regards
Andrew
http://www.geocities.com/andrewhooker59/CyclsTouring.html
Tamyka Bell
Interesting*
Tam
*not really intersting, as I'm one of the chief crap-propagators, and I
like it
ritcho
BrettM Wrote:
> "Theo Bekkers" <tbek...@bekkers.com.au> wrote in news:42b8c7fb$1
> @news.bekkers.com.au:
> going to stop them anytime soon, the EBS had to be deactivited because
> the road was so rough that it kept going off and they haven't had any
> sleep for the last 32 hours after leaving Melbourne at 0 dark n dirty.
>
> Heavy Vehicles are actually way under represented in accident
> statistics
> (the percentage of accidents involving heavy vehicles is much lower
> than
> the percentage of heavy vehicles in the vehicle fleet without
> considering Vkt) So they must actually do a pretty good job.
>
> But then I'm biased (currently restoring Kenworth S2 to tow the "bike"
> trailer). Of course now I have to find about 48t of bikes, donations?
>
> Cheers
>
> BrettM
I'll second that - I find professional truck drivers to be the
most...well, professional drivers. Unfortunately, other professionals
are not quite so good in Sydney (buses and especially taxis).
I don't know where you could get 48t of bikes, but it would probably
even beat cstmtb's collection! ;)
Ritch
--
ritcho
Terry Collins
> Here's my stab at the `logic'
which is faulty because;
>
> 1. Rego pays for roads.
Rego does not pay for the roads, but is simply a licence to drive a
motor vehicle. rego just pays for the rego mob.
>
> 2. Motorists pay rego therefore deserve to be on roads.
I pay for the roads and I therefore deserve to be on the roads.
Splitty; in NSW, pensioners do not pay rego and I understand that most
cars have their rego paid as company vehicles. so very few people
actually pay rego.
Euan
LotteBum> Typical for bunch of old f*ckers. My dad, despite riding
LotteBum> his bike to work daily and not even owning a car until age
LotteBum> 33, HATES bikes. He's become such a typical Grumpy Old
LotteBum> Australian Man (I say that in such a way to imply that he
LotteBum> Danish and you would think he'd be 'pro cyclists').
Maybe he's resentful of the broken promises from the motoring lobby.
Look at just about any car advert and it's all about freedom, the
ability to do what you wanna, go where you wanna, yell and rebel etc.
Instead he finds himself stuck in congestion following the rest of the
cagers in a nice orderly procession, all the while having the freedom of
cycling which he forsook thrust in his face every time a
eco-responsible type zips past him all full of vigour and joy of life.
Much easier to blame those he's jealous of rather than himself for
getting sucked in. Of course it could be necessity which pushes him to
a car which makes it even more galling.
Just random idle thoughts.
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> travelling time is linear. I'd argue that the "cost" of travelling time
> is relatively static for the first 30 minutes, but then rises in a
> dramatically non-linear way thereafter. Not only this, the rate of
> increase in the cost of travelling time is greater for bikes than for
> cars.
>
> In other words, as the distance increases, so does the "cost" of
> cycling compared to driving, regardless of the monetary costs
> involved.
Eh? Why?
--
TimC
Just because they are called 'forbidden' transitions does not mean
that they are forbidden. They are less allowed than allowed
transitions, if you see what I mean. --unknown
Euan
Baka> This is a good argument, but it lacks relevance where people
Baka> are unable to easily modify the number of hours they
Baka> work. Which is most of the time.
Baka> If you already happen to be working full-time, you have the
Baka> necessary income to buy a car. It doesn't matter that a bike
Baka> would require less working hours if that choice is not
Baka> realistically open to you.
You're missing the point.
I work 40 hours a week. I'm on $X per hour and my colleague is on $X
per hour.
Colleague has a car which costs him $250 per week. I have a bicycle which
costs me $30 per week. Colleague also has gym fees to the tune of $17
per week.
By my choice of transport I'm effectively getting paid more per hour
than my colleague. I have more disposable income than my colleague.
What's really amusing is that I take less time to get to work even
though he only lives 5km further out than me.
BrettM
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> disposable income regardless of whether I drive or ride. The cost
> savings of riding would only be meaningful to me if I could translate
> them into less hours worked rather than more disposable income.
>
> And that was the way the original argument was phrased - that riding a
> bike required less hours of work to pay for it, ie, a promise of greater
> leisure time, not greater disposable income.
So save up and retire earlier.
Or or save up a bit, quit your job, go on a round-Europe bike tour,
drink lot's of beer, and come back find a different job with a little
more flexibility.
--
TimC
If you ever fear that machines will surpass humans in intelligence,
just ask Microsoft to write the OS. -- POTU in RHOD
Tamyka Bell
>
> On 2005-06-22, Baka Dasai (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> > My point is that once I have a 40 hr/week job, I have more than enough
> > disposable income regardless of whether I drive or ride. The cost
> > savings of riding would only be meaningful to me if I could translate
> > them into less hours worked rather than more disposable income.
> >
> > And that was the way the original argument was phrased - that riding a
> > bike required less hours of work to pay for it, ie, a promise of greater
> > leisure time, not greater disposable income.
>
> So save up and retire earlier.
>
> Or or save up a bit, quit your job, go on a round-Europe bike tour,
> drink lot's of beer, and come back find a different job with a little
> more flexibility.
Yeah... a job in Brisbane... oh, sorry, got distracted there...
Tam
Resound
"ritcho" <ritcho...@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:ritcho...@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
The truck drivers that frighten me are the owner/operator mediumish rigids.
Particularly the ones that are driven as part of a comany that's NOT a
transport company. Something like one of two 25 year old clunkers owned by a
fruit & veg wholesaler and driven by the owner's son & nephew who may or may
not have a medium rigid endorsed license. The single most heart stopping
moment I've had on the road was being in the gutter so far that I had to be
left pedal up or it would have hit the kerb, right shoulder bouncing of the
side of the tray, screaming at the driver. I honestly wonder whether he ever
knew what he'd done.
Carl Brewer
wrote:
>Not true at all. Truckies just realise that their cr*p brakes aren't
>going to stop them anytime soon,
The last two times I've traveled to Adelade to watch the TdU,
I've driven over at night along the Western Hwy. Doing ~105km/h
I was often rather alarmed to have some truck sitting less than 2
metres behind the car I was driving. I'd estimate this happened
at least 3 or 4 times each time I did this trip. I don't know about
the accident statistics, but those turds were damn dangerous.
I've pulled over to get out of their way (I'm not risking a speeding
fine to keep some arsehole truckdriver on his schedule because he
spent too long in some pub and has to catch up) and they've shot off
at at least 110km/h or more, with the "100 speed limited"
sign cheerfully hanging off the back of the thing.
If the truckies driving those trucks (a significant percentage
of them at midnight on that highway) know how bad their brakes
are then what are they doing tailgating a small car at 100km/h? If
I had to brake for a 'roo or a wombat etc (quite likely on those
roads) then we'd all have been killed, even the truckdriver.
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Particularly the ones that are driven as part of a comany that's NOT a
> transport company. Something like one of two 25 year old clunkers owned by a
> fruit & veg wholesaler and driven by the owner's son & nephew who may or may
> not have a medium rigid endorsed license. The single most heart stopping
> moment I've had on the road was being in the gutter so far that I had to be
> left pedal up or it would have hit the kerb, right shoulder bouncing of the
> side of the tray, screaming at the driver. I honestly wonder whether he ever
> knew what he'd done.
I had that years ago - although I had the feeling my guy probably was
driving a hire truck. Developed quite a sore foot merely from the
strain I was putting on it in an attempt to balance and not fall under
the truck. I was going too slow and at the wrong angle to jump the
curb.
I didn't say a word (too busy concentrating!), and at that stage,
still thought cyclists had no right to the road, so didn't lodge a
complaint with anyone. Ah, the innocence of youth.
--
TimC
Animals who are not penguins can only wish they were.
Gumby
footprint and propensity to consume jelly snakes?
Steven
cfsmtb
Back to topic, MitH has sent me two mp3's of the 3AW broadcast (20/6).
Email me if want a copy, or if you feel up to doing a transcript.
Basically covers Nick McCallum interviewing Harry Barber (Bicycle
Victoria General Manager) bicycle licensing issues+ Commonwealth Games
funding issues + the Obituary Cr*t*cal M*ss References. Please forgive
the background interference, apparently a tram was going past during
the recording. Or if you're flush with $$$, contact Rehame for a
clearer copy.
email: cfsmtb[AT]gmail[DOT]com
nick2.mp3 (1063K Download)
nick1.mp3 (1722K Download)
--
cfsmtb
Theo Bekkers
> Did that include the production cost of the vehicle, fuel, carbon
> footprint and propensity to consume jelly snakes?
I made the silly assumption that the price of the vehicle included the
production cost, and also assumed that the cost of the fuel included
production costs and taxes and taxes and taxes, but left out the
environmental costs. I also left out the jelly snakes.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> You seemed to be suggesting that it was
> a point AGAINST not fitting license plates, when it brings up
> (amongst the alleged million reasons) at least one reason FOR not
> fitting plates. Or do you commonly raise points that are
> diametrically opposed to your argument without a rebuttal?
Certainly, this is usenet. The original argument for removing the front
plates was, IMHO, spurious. The offending type of plate, in line with the
mudguard, was still in use but not fitted to new bikes for twenty years at
the time of the 'incident'. There are plenty of sharp, sticky-out bits on
the front end of a motorcycle to seriously injure a pedestrian now.
> so I stirred the pot.
And you did it quite well.
Theo
Carl Brewer
It's all redundant, RFID tags are coming and they don't stick out
anywhere.
Carl Brewer
wrote:
> Anyway I've never seen such braze ons or have not noticed them so any
>pics please send a link; the only race numbers I have used that weren't
>attached to me were a sticker on my seatpost (half IM) and a laminated
>number zip tied onto my bars (MTB).
Open road races have frame numbers. See this image :
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=photos/2005/tech/features/pro_bike_prep/frame
Euan
Baka> My point is that once I have a 40 hr/week job, I have more
Baka> than enough disposable income regardless of whether I drive or
Baka> ride. The cost savings of riding would only be meaningful to
Baka> me if I could translate them into less hours worked rather
Baka> than more disposable income.
Baka> And that was the way the original argument was phrased - that
Baka> riding a bike required less hours of work to pay for it, ie, a
Baka> promise of greater leisure time, not greater disposable
Baka> income. -- What was I thinking?
In that case I still win over my auto driving colleague. He has to go
to a gym to keep up his fitness, for an extra 10 minutes commute time
each way I get double the exercise of my colleague getting to work.
Hence greater leisure time.
With my smaller commuting expenses I can comfortably afford to live
closer to the city, but that'd mean shorter rides and I wouldn't want
that :-)
Euan
Carl> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:58:45 +0800, "Theo Bekkers"
Carl> <tbek...@bekkers.com.au> wrote:
Carl> It's all redundant, RFID tags are coming and they don't stick
Carl> out anywhere.
Yeah they are, and most aren't good for more than 100 meters or so. Not
much use to Mister Plod on his daily beat.
DaveB
>
> Yeah they are, and most aren't good for more than 100 meters or so. Not
> much use to Mister Plod on his daily beat.
Disagree with this. I was involved in a study on RFID a year or so ago.
I can't recall the city but some Nordic city now has all its buses
tracked by RFID which has enabled a lot of finetuning of timetables.
DaveB