Information on Garuda Indonesia
jonnie
them before and I just wondered if there's any bad points about them.
cheers
jonnie
Martin McKowen
business. A small thing like forgetting to pay Boeing for the lease of
aircraft and the owners dad for the fuel.
Garuda has quite good service (up the front) but has a pretty doubtful
reputation with respect to maintenance. Nevertheless no aircraft had any
problems while I was flying over a four year period. In relation to
reliability and time. Remember you are in Indonesia where they have jam
karet or rubber time.
Cheers
Marty
jonnie wrote in message ...
P C
eg local atc and many other things . ICAO even rates airports for same
considerations so to be subjective as well as objective need more data to
give an opinion and that's all it is .
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"jonnie" <nospam...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Eugenio Bini
ago at Perth International, where a Garuda inbound flight had lined up and
reached short final on Horrie Miller Drive (main access road for the
international side of the airport - not exactly a straight piece of road),
rather than a runway. One of my Aero Club instructors is acquainted with
someone who was standing on the rooftop observation deck of the terminal at
the time and swears that the wings were below his eye level when the
go-around was initiated...
Eugenio
"jonnie" <nospam...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Mick
The duty terminal manager told me about a Garuda flight that had landed but
wouldn't go where the ATC told him to. ATC ended up telling him to pick a
gate at the terminal and they would keep everyone else out of his way!!!
Don't know how true it is, maybe someone else could verify it.
Cheers,
Mick.
"jonnie" <nospam...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Carsten Bauer
<nospam...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Anyone care to remark on the performance of this mob. Haven't flown with
> them before and I just wondered if there's any bad points about them.
My flight to PER - DPS Oct 99 was fine. Although the return flight was
sort of weird. Both flights I wasn't allowed up front coz they had a
"student" pilot. And as we were about to turn on final, he flew past the
line up point and had to over correct to get back on the flight path.
Apart from that the flight was fine and service was good too. I still
prefer Qantas or Singapore anyday though, it's a matter of money.
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jonnie
or Air New Zealand but this lot are cheaper, hence the thought about things
being cheap, they probably are.
cheers
"P C" <cle...@vianet.net.au> wrote in message
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JB
As I heard it, the passengers who died in that accident were killed by cabin
luggage/ debris.
I never did hear any follow up to this, but remember that the footage showed
an uncontained centre engine failure (which didn't seem to be noticed by any
'news' experts). As this was just after the Sioux City crash, I wasn't
prepared to say whether the Captain had made the right decision or not. As
we have seen recently, there are times when an abort after V1 is the best
choice of a bad bunch.
JB
"Craig Welch" <cr...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 08 Oct 2000 02:10:48 GMT, "jonnie"
> <nospam...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> >Anyone care to remark on the performance of this mob. Haven't flown with
> >them before and I just wondered if there's any bad points about them.
>
> Hard pressed to find any good points about them. I certainly won't
> fly with them again.
>
> I recall sitting in their lounge in Denpasar, watching CNN footage
> of their crash in Fukuoka. The cabin attendants were first off, with
> their carry-on luggage. Meanwhile, passengers were burning to death.
>
>
> -- Craig
matt weber
wrote:
>Whilst I wouldn't send my family flying with them either....
>
>As I heard it, the passengers who died in that accident were killed by cabin
>luggage/ debris.
>
>I never did hear any follow up to this, but remember that the footage showed
>an uncontained centre engine failure (which didn't seem to be noticed by any
>'news' experts). As this was just after the Sioux City crash, I wasn't
>prepared to say whether the Captain had made the right decision or not. As
>we have seen recently, there are times when an abort after V1 is the best
>choice of a bad bunch.
>
>JB
If you are talking about Fukuoaka, the problem with the Center engine
was post crash. Let me give you the benefit of my dealings with
Garuda. At Garuda, absolutely nothing is fixed unless it is totally
and completely inoperative. I could tell you stories about the Sim's.
My agent in Hong Kong used to go to CGK several times a year to work
on them...
The center engine is damaged by pieces of the undercarriage being
ingested AFTER the aircraft was already back on the ground.
The nature of Garuda Maintenance is such that I doubt the engines
could have developed rated thrust, and I suspect the Pilot understood
that. As a result, he understood that having lost an engine, he should
have been able to fly away, but doubted he actually could because of
the condition of the engines. I think he simply concluded that going
in was less risky then attempting to fly away. Given what I know about
how Garuda looks after equipment, he was probably correct.
JB
"matt weber" <matth...@home.com> wrote in message
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> The center engine is damaged by pieces of the undercarriage being
> ingested AFTER the aircraft was already back on the ground.
Interesting. Do you have a reference for this?
JB
JB
> was post crash. Let me give you the benefit of my dealings with
> Garuda. At Garuda, absolutely nothing is fixed unless it is totally
> and completely inoperative. I could tell you stories about the Sim's.
> My agent in Hong Kong used to go to CGK several times a year to work
> on them...
>
> The center engine is damaged by pieces of the undercarriage being
> ingested AFTER the aircraft was already back on the ground.
Flight GA865 took off from Fukuoka Runway 16 (9200ft long) for a flight to
Jakarta via Denpasar. The DC-10 lifted off after a 5900ft ground run and had
reached a height of 4ft when a fanblade of the 1st stage HP turbine from the
no.3 engine separated. At 9ft, with a 167kts airspeed (just below the 170kts
V2 speed), the crew decided to abort the take-off. The DC-10 skidded off the
runway through a ditch, fence and a road, before coming to a halt 1600ft
past the runway. During the slide, the aircraft lost the no.1 engine and
landing gear. The Japanese Aircraft Accident Investigation Commission said
that the crash resulted from the fact that the captain's judgement in the
case of the engine failure was inadequate. The turbine blade in question had
operated for 30913hrs and 6182 cycles..
Taken from http://aviation-safety.net/database/1996/960613-0.htm
JB
matt weber
wrote:
>
>"matt weber" <matth...@home.com> wrote in message
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>> The center engine is damaged by pieces of the undercarriage being
>> ingested AFTER the aircraft was already back on the ground.
>
>Interesting. Do you have a reference for this?
>
>JB
>
That's how it was reported by Av Week. IIRC, there is even a photo of
a piece of the undercarriage sticking out of the center engine
cowling!
There was indeed an engine failure, but it wasn't in the center
engine.
JB
references to the #3 being the cause of the fire, but that makes sense given
the way it ended up.
None of the pictures (and I found a number) show any gear components near/in
#2, but the damage to it is quite consistent with an uncontained failure. In
fact, the pictures show damage in an identical location to the drawings of
the Sioux City aircraft.
JB
"matt weber" <matth...@home.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:56:17 +1000, "JB" <john_b...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"matt weber" <matth...@home.com> wrote in message
> >news:9klaus8hkanup160i...@4ax.com...
> >> The center engine is damaged by pieces of the undercarriage being
> >> ingested AFTER the aircraft was already back on the ground.
> >