Piper Warrier II versus Cessna 152 training

Brian

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Oct 23, 2004, 11:56:49 PM10/23/04

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I am taking lesson on a WarrierII the instructor tells me that the
Piper is a better learning plane than the Cessna 152, the comment made to me
by the
instructor was the Cessna is very small and is "twitchy" to fly when
compared to the Piper. Any opinions ?

Brian

cedric

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Oct 25, 2004, 2:42:11 AM10/25/04

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You can learn to fly anything, they are just different. They used to
learn on Tigers and Austers, they take a bit more but you can still
learn on them.

Whatever your flying just learn and enjoy.:D

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viz

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Oct 25, 2004, 4:29:02 AM10/25/04

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On 24/10/04 1:56 PM, in article cli3i6$30mg$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au,
"Brian" <bri...@labyrinth.net.au> wrote:

The Worrier is big and comfortable (in comparison) - and BLAND. The Toyota
Corolla of the skies. It represents no challenge.. The 152 *is* small and
twitchy - and surprisingly demanding - a bit akin to a Mini...

Your instructor is uncomfortable in the Cessna - bugger him!. Fly that until
you get your GFPT, then do the navs in the Worrier... You will get better
flying skills in the 152 - when it counts.

/viz

Rob

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Oct 25, 2004, 5:12:44 AM10/25/04

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cedric wrote:

> You can learn to fly anything, they are just different. They used to
> learn on Tigers and Austers, they take a bit more but you can still
> learn on them.
>

And where does that put Coop?

rm

Coop

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Oct 25, 2004, 10:16:46 AM10/25/04

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Rob wrote:

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>
> cedric wrote:
>
>> You can learn to fly anything, they are just different. They used to
>> learn on Tigers and Austers, they take a bit more but you can still
>> learn on them.
>>
>
> And where does that put Coop?
>

Trying the bastard ground.....
\ / \ / \
to keep on the ...........

Coop

Stealth Pilot

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Oct 25, 2004, 11:24:53 AM10/25/04

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coop you know that if you dont care every landing becomes a good one
:-)

Ric

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Oct 26, 2004, 6:50:12 AM10/26/04

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"Brian" <bri...@labyrinth.net.au> wrote in message
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The 152 wins hands down between the two. The 152 was designed and built to
train ab initio pilots. It has no vices, is easy on the wallet and a joy for
a beginer to fly.

Ric
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>

Non Compis Mentis

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Oct 26, 2004, 7:02:52 AM10/26/04

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viz wrote:
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>
> On 24/10/04 1:56 PM, in article cli3i6$30mg$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au,
> "Brian" <bri...@labyrinth.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>>I am taking lesson on a WarrierII the instructor tells me that the
>>Piper is a better learning plane than the Cessna 152, the comment made to me
>>by the
>>instructor was the Cessna is very small and is "twitchy" to fly when
>>compared to the Piper. Any opinions ?
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>
>
>
> The Worrier is big and comfortable (in comparison) - and BLAND. The Toyota
> Corolla of the skies. It represents no challenge.. The 152 *is* small and
> twitchy - and surprisingly demanding - a bit akin to a Mini...

Hear! Hear!...

I first started learning in a Warrior with an instructor that was, well,
as forgiving as the Warrior. When he let me do an incipient spin in the
Warrior (we were flying in the utility category), I kicked rudder to the
right. At the same time I inadvertently let my left hand drop, resulting
in cross controls... The Warrior dropped a wing like the Cessna.. Scared
to crap out of the instructor, an on seeing his reaction, it rubbed off
on me.

But, the 150s usually drop a wing on a stall, so you learn early to use
rudder to counteract yaw (best thing to learn to stall and spin in, IMHO
is a glider). Also, on landing in the high wings, you don't have ground
effect helping you, so you have to think further ahead of the aircraft
and have your approach and throttle control better under control.

Anyway, after that incident and a couple of others, I switched
instructors. The new one had me up in the 150s (including the C150A). In
addition, he had me doing spins, loops, barrel rolls, etc, *before* my
GFPT. And crosswind handling also has to be more precise...

In all, I think the more twitchy aircraft (which, is pretty forgiving)
will give you a better sense of flying and may give you better skill.
For the Navs, move to the Warrior (its a great plane) where it is
comfortable, stable and will allow you to concentrate more on navigating..

Just my $0.02,
NCM

Qansett

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Nov 22, 2004, 6:05:34 AM11/22/04

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"Ric" <tr...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Brian" <bri...@labyrinth.net.au> wrote in message
> news:cli3i6$30mg$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au...
>>I am taking lesson on a WarrierII the instructor tells me that the
>> Piper is a better learning plane than the Cessna 152, the comment made to
>> me
>> by the
>> instructor was the Cessna is very small and is "twitchy" to fly when
>> compared to the Piper. Any opinions ?
>>
>> Brian
>
> The 152 wins hands down between the two.

Economically maybe, but not in performance. When I first trained on the
C150,
I soon discovered that a Piper Cherokee (similar to Warrior) was streets
ahead of a C150.
There's o comparison.