how many concordes
garycusack
prototypes and where is every one on these aircraft and what is there flying
status and how many hours have they got on them and any other useful
information I hope they don't stop them from flying she is the cinderellas
of the sky
Bevok
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David Bromage
> ok can any body tell me how many concords where made including the
> prototypes and where is every one on these aircraft and what is there flying
> status
001 Aerospatiale prototype F-WTSS. Del 3/69. Ret 10/73. Musee del Air Le Bourget
002 BAC prototype G-BSST. Del 4/69. Ret 3/76. Royal Navy Air Museum.
01 BAC pre-production G-AXDN. Del 1/73. Ret 8/77. Imperial War Museum.
02 Aerospatiale pre-production F-WTSA. Del 1/73. Ret 4/76. Paris Orly.
Cosmetic restoration 1995.
201 Aerospatiale F-WTSB 12/73. Ret 5/85. Static for training.
202 British Aerospace G-BBDG 2/74. Ret 7/86. Static for training.
203 Aerospatiale F-WTSC 1/75. Air France F-BTSC 1/76.
Aerospatiale 12/76-6/79. Crashed 25/7/00.
204 British Airways G-BOAC 2/75. Baniff G-N81AC 6/79.
British Airways G-BOAC 6/80. In service.
205 First flt 1/75. Air France F-BVFA 1/75. Baniff N94FA 1/79.
Air France F-BVFA 6/80.
206 FF 11/75. British Airways G-BOAA 1/76. Baniff G-N94AA 1/76.
British Airways G-BOAA 6/80. In service.
207 FF 3/76. Air France F-BVFB 4/76. Baniff N94FB 1/79.
Air France F-BVFB 6/80.
208 FF 5/76. British Airways G-BOAB 9/76. Baniff G-N94AB 6/76.
British Airways G-BOAB 6/80. In service.
209 FF 7/76. Air France F-BVFC 7/76. Baniff N94FC 1/79.
Air France F-BVFC 6/80.
210 FF 8/76. British Airways G-BOAD 12/76. Baniff G-N94AD 1/79.
British Airways G-BOAD 6/80. In service.
211 FF 2/77. Air France F-BVFD 3/77. N94FD 1/79.
Air France F-BVFD 6/80.
212 FF 3/77. British Airways G-BOAE 6/77. Baniff G-N94AE 1/79.
British Airways G-BOAE 6/80. In Service.
213 Aerospatiale F-WJAM 6/78. Air France F-BTSD 6/78. Baniff N94SD 1/79.
Aerospatiale F-BTSD 3/79[1]. Air France F-BTSD 5/80.
214 British Aerospace G-BFKW 4/78. British Airways G-BFKW 2/80.
British Airways G-BOAG 3/81. In service.
215 Aerospatiale F-WJAN 12/78. Air France F-BVFF 10/80.
216 British Aerospace G-BFKX 4/79. British Airways G-BOAF 5/80. Would have
become Baniff G-N94AF but lease fell through.
All 7 BA Concordes are in service.
Prior to the crash, 6 of the 7 AF Concordes were flyable, but only 4 of
the 6 were in service.
Barring any major problems as a result of the crash, life extension
programs will see Concorde in service until about 2006. The replacement
200 passenger Super Concorde is due in service in about 2010. Boeing also
has its own plans for a 200 pax Mach 2 "High Speed Civil Transport".
Here's a brief potted history:
Planning started in about 1958. The go ahead was given in 1962, roughly
the same time as the Russian copy, the Tu-144, also started.
The Boeing 2707, a proposed Mach 2 airliner with GE engines, was launched
(on paper). It would have variable geometry wings and 128 seats.
Concorde 001 was rolled out of the Sud-Aviation factory in Toulouse in
December 1967. 002 was almost complete at the BAC factory in Bristol.
By 1968, a total of 74 Concordes had been ordered by 16 airlines.
The Tu-144 made its first test flight on 31/12/68.
Concorde 001 made its first test flight from Toulouse on 1/3/69.
Concorde 002 made its first test flight from Filton (Bristol) to RAF
Fairford on 9/4/69.
The Tu-144 reached Mach 1 on 5/6/69.
Concorde 001 reached Mach 1.05 on its 45th test flight on 1/10/69.
The Tu-144 reached Mach 2 on 26/5/70.
Concorde 001 reached Mach 2 on 4/11/70. Concorde 002 reached Mach 2 on 12/11/70.
The first four production Concordes were ordered on 22/4/71.
The Boeing 2707 was cancelled in May 1971.
Concorde 002 visited Australia in July 1972.
Civilian supersonic overflights of the continental United States was
forbidden in April 1973.
A Tu-144 crashed at the Bourget air show on 3/6/73. Some controversy still
surrounds the cause. There is some evidence that a French Air Force recon
Mirage got too close and the Russian pilot lost control while taking
evasive action. The Tu-144 has alightly different wings than Concorde, and
they don't generate quite as much lift. This problem was later rectified
by adding canards to generate more vortex lift at low speeds.
Concorde 001 retired on 19/9/73 and was placed in the Le Bourget Aeronautical
Museum.
On 7/6/74, F-WTSB departed Boston Logan for Paris at 8.22 local time. At
that exact same minute, an Air France 747 departed Paris Orly for Boston.
The 747 was 620 miles out of Orly when the Concorde passed 30,000 ft above
it going the other way. The Concorde landed at Orly and took of 68 minutes
later. It landed at Boston 11 minutes before the 747.
Due to the number of airlines cancelling orders, a limit of 16 production
model Concordes was set on 19/7/74.
Congress put a 6 month ban on Concorde landings at US airport on 18/12/75.
The first commercial flight of Concorde was AF085 from CDG ro Ria via
Dakar on 21/1/76.
Concorde 002 was retired on 4/3/76 and placed in the Royal Naval Air
Museum.
US services commenced from Heathrow and de Gaulle to Washington Dulles on
24/5/76 and to New York JFK on 22/11/77.
Pan Am, TWA, Qantas and JAL cancelled their Concorde options in the early
months of 1978.
Aeroflot cancelled its order for Tu-144s after another crash on 1/6/78.
The last production model Concorde wntered service in May 1980.
Cheers
David
matt weber
Currently grounded due to structural cracks.
>213 Aerospatiale F-WJAM 6/78. Air France F-BTSD 6/78. Baniff N94SD 1/79.
> Aerospatiale F-BTSD 3/79[1]. Air France F-BTSD 5/80.
>214 British Aerospace G-BFKW 4/78. British Airways G-BFKW 2/80.
> British Airways G-BOAG 3/81. In service.
>215 Aerospatiale F-WJAN 12/78. Air France F-BVFF 10/80.
>216 British Aerospace G-BFKX 4/79. British Airways G-BOAF 5/80. Would have
> become Baniff G-N94AF but lease fell through.
>
>All 7 BA Concordes are in service.
No G-BOAE was grounded last week.
and it isn't Baniff, it was Braniff, and the aircraft carried the US
registration only for the domestic portion of the flight (DFW-JFK)...
They were never flown by Braniff crews, they were wet leased to avoid
the cabotage problem.
>
>Prior to the crash, 6 of the 7 AF Concordes were flyable, but only 4 of
>the 6 were in service.
>
>Barring any major problems as a result of the crash, life extension
>programs will see Concorde in service until about 2006. The replacement
>200 passenger Super Concorde is due in service in about 2010. Boeing also
>has its own plans for a 200 pax Mach 2 "High Speed Civil Transport".
These have never gone beyond feasability studies, and probably never
will.
I don't think any of us are going to live to see another Supersonic
Civil airliner. No one wants to pay the R&D costs, and under WTO,
governments cannot..
>
>
David Bromage
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:20:03 GMT, dbro...@fang.omni.com.au (David
> Bromage) wrote:
> >All 7 BA Concordes are in service.
> No G-BOAE was grounded last week.
By that I mean not permanently withdrawn.
> >Barring any major problems as a result of the crash, life extension
> >programs will see Concorde in service until about 2006. The replacement
> >200 passenger Super Concorde is due in service in about 2010. Boeing also
> >has its own plans for a 200 pax Mach 2 "High Speed Civil Transport".
>
> These have never gone beyond feasability studies, and probably never
> will.
Gee, I guess the composite materials for the skin being made in the next
building are a figment of my imagination.
Cheers
David
Trash
wrote:
>ok can any body tell me how many concords where made including the
>prototypes and where is every one on these aircraft and what is there flying
>status and how many hours have they got on them and any other useful
>information I hope they don't stop them from flying she is the cinderellas
>of the sky
20 were built. 2 prototypes the rest production models. I can't
remember how often they do it, but I do remember when they overhaul
them, they strip them down to individual parts and test everything,
then put it all back together.
17 Tu-144 and Tu-144D's were made, 1 was a prototype.
The yanks recently converted one (Tu-144LL) for a series of tests on
SST's. Doesn't look like we'll see a replacement for the Concorde for
a while, and the Concorde's service life is until 2010.
[I get the feeling the afterburners were working are 600% before the
wheels left the tarmac ?]
garycusack
of condition to fly and anybody give me a site that I can go to to find out
about the tu-144's
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David Bromage
> ok where are all the Tu-144 from the old ussr and are any of the in any sort
> of condition to fly and anybody give me a site that I can go to to find out
> about the tu-144's
It's not 100% certain how many were built, and if there were any crashes
other than the two known.
Three were donated to museums at Monino, Samara and Ulyanovsk. Four were
put into storage at Zhukovsky air base, and one of these was restored in
1995-97 for NASA propulsion tests. The test data was fed into the Boeing
HSCT project (and also reportedly to a Rockwell black project).
The original engines (Kuznetsov NK-144) were huge fuel guzzlers. The
Tu-144 used for the NASA tests was retrofitted with Kuznetsov NK-32
engines (turbojet bypass with afterburners), as used in the Tu-160
Blackjack (copy of the B-1). They reduced V1 and V2 by about 20 kts.
Also got completely new avionics.
See:
http://www.bird.ch/Russians/Tu144/TU144P01.html
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Projects/TU-144
http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/tu-144.html (prototype)
http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/tu-144s.html (production)
Cheers
David
garycusack
going why didn't they turn around and buy the thing of the Russians god
knows they could have used the money and where is this one airworthy plane
down back in Russia falling to pieces again no doubt and is the any other
air worthy or near air worthy tu-144's floating around in Russia and why
don't they sell the damn things to get some money into the place I bet there
would be a queue a mile long to buy one of them heh
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