Red Baron Flight Training (formerly Sydney Aerobatic School)
Brian
Sydney Aerobatic School). I thought that it was a strange and somewhat
curious claim to make (and publish) given the stiff competition at
Bankstown and indeed the rest of the country.
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"Red Baron Flight Training can teach you to fly an aeroplane better and
more economically than any other flying school in this country. These
courses are not the shortest or the cheapest: they are simply the best."
Noel Kruse – Former RAAF fighter pilot; founder Sydney Aerobatic School –
now Red Baron Flight Training.
From : http://www.bestaviation.net/school/red_baron_flight_training/
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Does anybody have experience with this school who could explain to me how
they can make such a claim? Are they REALLY the best?
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Peter Fanelli
Learn to fly with confidence in state of the art, aerobatic aircraft,
like the Robin 2160, the Alpha 160 and the Pitts S2A,
Might have been state of the art in the 70's but hardly state of the art
now.
Seems like a load of ex military mindset wank to me.
ric
"Peter Fanelli" <fan...@bellsouth.removeme.net> wrote in message
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> nos...@usenet.fake (Brian) wrote in news:f82hk0$u4m$1...@aioe.org:
>
>> I found this quote by Noel Kruse of Red Baron Flight Training
> (formerly
>> Sydney Aerobatic School). I thought that it was a strange and somewhat
>> curious claim to make (and publish) given the stiff competition at
>> Bankstown and indeed the rest of the country.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> "Red Baron Flight Training can teach you to fly an aeroplane better
> and
>> more economically than any other flying school in this country. These
>> courses are not the shortest or the cheapest: they are simply the
> best."
>>
> School -
>> now Red Baron Flight Training.
>>
>> From : http://www.bestaviation.net/school/red_baron_flight_training/
>>
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>>
>> Does anybody have experience with this school who could explain to me
> how
>> they can make such a claim? Are they REALLY the best?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Learn to fly with confidence in state of the art, aerobatic aircraft,
> like the Robin 2160, the Alpha 160 and the Pitts S2A,
>
> Might have been state of the art in the 70's but hardly state of the art
> now.
>
> Seems like a load of ex military mindset wank to me.
Bingo! Most military pilots see GA as being non-professional and below par.
Marty
> "Red Baron Flight Training can teach you to fly an aeroplane better and
> more economically than any other flying school in this country. These
> courses are not the shortest or the cheapest: they are simply the best."
> ( Noel Kruse )
> Does anybody have experience with this school who could explain to me how
> they can make such a claim? Are they REALLY the best?
The school is no longer owned by Noel Kruse. It was purchased by Joel
Haski and Stephan Kljajic about a year ago, so the quote doesn't come off
as arrogant as it would if Noel was still steering the ship. With the
purchase came the name-change (Haski purchased Red Baron in 2005) and the
end of its quasi-military association.
And NO, they're not the best (although they *are* good).
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Brian
how most instructors would react to this kind of generalisation? These
guys have some ego!!!
"Today, many modern Flying Instructors get sweaty palms above 45 degrees
of bank, shake more than the aircraft at the point of a stall and run the
other way at the mere mention of a spin! In short, their inhibitions
render them incapable of giving effective flight instruction in those very
things that should be taught and which demand good flight instruction".
I'm going to call them this week and get some flight training info just to
hear their sales pitch in person!
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Yagu
see him substantiate the claim!
Yagu
"Brian" <nos...@usenet.fake> wrote in message news:f82hk0$u4m$1...@aioe.org...
>I found this quote by Noel Kruse of Red Baron Flight Training (formerly
> Sydney Aerobatic School). I thought that it was a strange and somewhat
> curious claim to make (and publish) given the stiff competition at
> Bankstown and indeed the rest of the country.
>
> ---
>
> "Red Baron Flight Training can teach you to fly an aeroplane better and
> more economically than any other flying school in this country. These
> courses are not the shortest or the cheapest: they are simply the best."
>
> Noel Kruse - Former RAAF fighter pilot; founder Sydney Aerobatic School -
Yagu
Kruse, who have actually succeeded in business over a period say of 5 years.
Sadly for many would be users of services like Kruse's, they think that the
pasture is greener on his side!
Yagu
"GB" <gb0...@kickindanuts.threefiddy.com> wrote in message
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>> they can make such a claim? Are they REALLY the best?
>
> trait of the common entrepreneur that he will have an excessive
> belief in the quality of his product/service and his own capabilities
> vis-a-vis that of his competitors. The immovable belief that the
> competition is somehow 'cheating' or 'cutting corners' or offering
> an inferior product seems to be inherent amongst entrepreneurs.
>
>
> Having said that, I've witnessed many a good thing said about SAS
> in here in the past.
>
>
> GB
> --
> "Most police misconduct occurs when citizens challenge an individual
> officer's authority" (Reiss, 1971 c.in Jermier & Berkes 1979)
Mitchell Schaeffer
> Thanks for that. Here's an interesting quote from their web site. I wonder
> how most instructors would react to this kind of generalisation? These
> guys have some ego!!!
>
> "Today, many modern Flying Instructors get sweaty palms above 45 degrees
> of bank, shake more than the aircraft at the point of a stall and run the
> other way at the mere mention of a spin! In short, their inhibitions
> render them incapable of giving effective flight instruction in those very
> things that should be taught and which demand good flight instruction".
I find this insulting as a Snr Grade 1 Instructor I find that most
instructors like steep turns / Stalls and Spins, they always try to steal
(in a friendly way) those flights from each other.
Mitchell
AJ
>
> I find this insulting as a Snr Grade 1 Instructor I find that most
> instructors like steep turns / Stalls and Spins, they always try to steal
> (in a friendly way) those flights from each other.
> Mitchell
>
>
I suspect that they don't really believe this crap. It's JUST a sales
pitch, surely? If it weren't, then this is quite a serious issue. I wonder
how they would react if other Bankstown schools talked down the
aerobatics/air force techniques that seems to be their trademark in Sydney.
I recall some year back when Basair, who owe virtually all their entire
good fortune to online marketing, engaged in similar anti-competitive
behaviour. They own the domain name aviation.com.au which is a fairly
generic domain name, so obviously have control over all the sub domains as
well. Well, of course they had aerospace.aviation.com.au up and running
with a web site, keywords and other meta data to match so they could cash
in on the good name of Aerospace Aviation. Boy that made me mad.
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brad
> That would put them out of contention if I was in the market
> for flight instruction right now. When I was a young lad, my
> Dad pointed out that a good salesman never knocks his competitor
> or his competitor's product. It's a point I've taken to heart,
> to the extent that anyone who /does/ knock the other guy never
> gets my business.
Sooo, you don't vote in many elections, do you?