Air New Zealand A320 Crash
Peter Fanelli
CNN and Fox News reporting the crash of an Air New Zealand A320
in the Mediterranean with 5-7 POB.
Debris found.
Would this be a new aircraft on a training/delivery flight?
MikeZ
"Peter Fanelli" <a@b.c> wrote in message
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From http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2008/11/28/1243808170b6
Air New Zealand confirms that one of its Airbus A320 aircraft on lease to a
European based company has crashed in the Mediterranean.
One person is dead, six are missing.
Chief executive Rob Fyfe says the aircraft, which was being
operated by the leasee, was due to return to service with Air New
Zealand next month.
A spokesman for the German charter airline XL says the aircraft had been
leased from Air New Zealand in 2006 and had been returned to the Aurbus
factory prior being handed back to Air New Zealand.
XL spokesman Asger Schubert says two XL crew and some Air New Zealand crew
were on board at the time of the crash.
Mr Schubert says the airliner was in Air New Zealand colours and its cabin
had been returned to the configuration required by Air New Zealand.
Regional officials in the Pyrenees-Orientales prefecture report the plane
was a training flight.
A civilian vessel saw the crash take place off the southwestern coast of
France while the plane was coming into land near Perpignan at about 5pm on
Thursday.
A Maritime official told CNN that floating debris has been located. The
official said the test flight took off from Perpignan in southern France.
A surveillance plane, two rescue helicopters and five ships are at scene 3.5
nautical miles (2.5km) from shore.
MikeZ
"Peter Fanelli" <a@b.c> wrote in message
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Another news story states:
Sources familiar with the situation state that the aircraft is owned by
ANZ's Freedom Air subsidiary, and registered D-AXLA, with serial number
2500.
The three-year old jet is equipped with International Aero Engines V2500
powerplants.
It had been leased to XL Airways' German division and was undergoing
maintenance in Perpignan before being redelivered to Freedom Air in
Frankfurt.
MikeZ
"MikeZ" <Big...@Bigend9999.net> wrote in message news:...
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> "Peter Fanelli" <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B637A...@216.77.188.18...
>> Ed Kelly seems to be asleep at his post.
>> CNN and Fox News reporting the crash of an Air New Zealand A320
>> in the Mediterranean with 5-7 POB.
>> Debris found.
>>
>> Would this be a new aircraft on a training/delivery flight?
>
Les
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10545458
How ironic it occurs on the Erebus anniversary.
My former Professor of Experimental Psych (Monash) gave evidence at the
Erebus Royal Commission explaining the "white out" phenomenon to Justice
Mahon.
Les
Fear of Flying Therapies
Melbourne Australia - 0413 040 747
veritas
I guess they couldn't tie it to QANTAS so AIR NZ had to be the attention-getter
Peter Degotardi
> Peter Fanelli wrote:
> I guess they couldn't tie it to QANTAS so AIR NZ had to be the
> attention-getter
That was my immediate reaction
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veritas
> veritas <ver...@coldmail.com> wrote in news:ggnnme$dvb$1...@aioe.org:
>> I guess they couldn't tie it to QANTAS so AIR NZ had to be the
>> attention-getter
>
> that. Apparently Qantas have completely failed to drop the A320 like
> a hot potato despite the AirNZ incident...
>
> From the gutter: <http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24720403-29277,00.html>
>
>
> ################################
> Qantas backs plane despite test crash
> AAP
> November 28, 2008 04:16pm
>
> NEW Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says he has full confidence in the Airbus A320
> after a crash that killed seven in France.
>
<snip>
>> "We're very happy with how Airbus are handling the issue and the
> communication that they have with us and we think that's in hand," he
> said.
>
> "If we weren't happy with it we'd be making that known."
>
> ################################
>
>
> Do these bloody journaliars have no shame at all?
>
>
> GB, do you answer rhetorical questions?
SHIT - Qantas get headlines anyhow. How moronic is the press!
Sylvia Else
>
> SHIT - Qantas get headlines anyhow. How moronic is the press!
I wonder what Qantas angle the press would have dreamed up if Qantas had
not been an A320 operator. Would they really have admitted defeat?
Sylvia.
Les
Powerplants, radar, comms, undercarriage, coffee makers, etc.
This is what I said about having a tarnished brand... The media see ALL
aviation events through those eyes.
Les
On 28/11/08 9:36 PM, in article
492fc9ac$0$31802$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au, "Sylvia Else"
Neil Gerace
> "I think there's absolutely no issues with the aircraft in question."
So, someone has proved already that it wasn't a software fault?
Sylvia Else
Ever since the DC10 grounding in 1979, the media have had this idea that
any aircrash should result in an immediate grounding of the type.
Airlines have inevitably had to manage that expectation, and anything
less than an unequivocal statement of faith won't be sufficient.
Sylvia.
Edward Kelly
>> attention-getter
>
> that. Apparently Qantas have completely failed to drop the A320 like
> a hot potato despite the AirNZ incident...
>
> From the gutter: <http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24720403-29277,00.html>
>
>
Forget the fact that five of our Kiwi cousins have just been killed.
>
>
> Do these bloody journaliars have no shame at all?
>
>
> GB, do you answer rhetorical questions?
Bloody germ!
JB
switch in the cockpit (with the exception of the fire bottles) will be
pushed at some stage. Engines shut down and relit. Cabin will be climbed
until the masks auto deploy. Alternate gear and flap extensions. CBs
pulled to force systems into secondary modes. Everything.
The checklists used are books, and they take hours to work through.
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John Ewing
"Les" <lesp...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Justice Mahon visited Antarctica and personally witnessed whiteout
conditions for himself. He flew in a US helicopter over the same route that
the Air NZ DC10 took prior to its impact into Mt Erebus.
The conditions on the day of his flight were perchance eerily similar to
those on the day when the DC10 crashed. It was a chilling experience for
everyone on this helicopter flight, including the TVNZ reporter was visibly
shaken by the experience.
It is many years past but I recall the reporter's astonishment at how they
had absolutely no visual impression that they were flying directly into a
massive mountain, until they were they were upon it.
John
Les
On 5/12/08 10:38 PM, in article
493912c7$0$16855$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au, "John Ewing" <none@needed>
wrote:
> Justice Mahon visited Antarctica and personally witnessed whiteout
> conditions for himself. He flew in a US helicopter over the same route that
> the Air NZ DC10 took prior to its impact into Mt Erebus.
>
> The conditions on the day of his flight were perchance eerily similar to
> those on the day when the DC10 crashed. It was a chilling experience for
> everyone on this helicopter flight, including the TVNZ reporter was visibly
> shaken by the experience.
>
> It is many years past but I recall the reporter's astonishment at how they
> had absolutely no visual impression that they were flying directly into a
> massive mountain, until they were they were upon it.
Mahon discusses his experience in his book Verdict on Erebus.
Last year, I did a presentation to a group of QF captains and F0s on my
treatment of fearful flyers using virtual reality. It was a version of one I
had just given at ICAO in Montreal. There was mild interest while I showed
the need to understand how in VR the brain is fooled, and how illusions
occur. But I got their full attention when I showed the remnants of the
DC-10 on the slopes of Erebus, and described how a combination of the white
out illusion and the undetected navigation error had those on the flight
deck including the experienced Peter Mulgrew seeing what they expected to
see, even though they were 20 miles "off course" heading to Erebus.
Anxiety is all about which senses you trust to give you accurate feedback on
what's safe and what's dangerous, what's a body illusion and what body
feedback can be trusted. Hence those pilots who wash out in trying to make
the transfer from VFR to IFR.
Was there not an Indian airlines hull loss when the crew refused to trust
their instruments?
Coop
I think the evidence suggested misinterpretation of the instruments'
movement rather than failure to respond to them- in fact a probable
reversal of the correct interpretation of the AH (ie reading the
horizon as the aircraft and vice-versa) perhaps brought on by the fact
that moving the control column causes the horizon to "move". Couldn't
be proven, of course, but there didn't seem to be a better explanation
of the pilot's actions. I think it brought about some re-consideration
of the presentation of such instruments- I can't remember for sure,
but I think the introduction of the Blue/brown sectors on the AH
followed this investigation.
Coop