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Rob
May 25, 2012, 6:31:53 AM5/25/12
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CASA win on TV reality footage
by: Jared Owens
From: The Australian
May 25, 2012 12:00AM
AVIATION investigators have secured access to raw footage allegedly
showing reality TV star Milton Jones repeatedly breaching air safety
regulations during the filming of his hit Ten Network progam about life
in the outback, Keeping Up with the Joneses.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority suspects the millionaire Northern
Territory cattleman's illicit antics included drinking before flying and
using a helicopter to tow his waterskiing teenage son across a lake on
his 526,000ha cattle station.
Mr Jones, who owns and operates 41 commercial helicopters, is also
suspected of leaving children unattended at a helicopter's controls,
removing crocodile eggs from their nests without a proper licence and
keeping an aircraft's engine running while he went fishing.
The skylarking proved a ratings success for the Ten Network, but raised
eyebrows at CASA, which sought access to the raw footage to eliminate
the possibility of "poetic licence".
The most influential people in Sport
The Melbourne production company behind the program, WTFN, refused to
hand the footage over without a search warrant so CASA seized the
evidence during a raid of the company's lawyers' offices.
Mr Jones quickly filed a Federal Court application to derail CASA's
investigation, claiming the search warrant was out of order, but he was
rebuffed by a single judge and then the Full Court bench.
Mr Jones then engaged barrister Gerald Nash QC to seek special leave
before the High Court in Melbourne, but it took the judges only 13
minutes to throw out the case.
"We are not persuaded the applicant enjoys sufficient prospects of
success . . . nor are we persuaded that it is in the interests of
justice, either generally or in this particular case, that there be a
grant of special leave to appeal to this court," Justice Ken Hayne said,
dismissing the application with costs.
CASA is now examining the recordings on suspicion of two offences under
the Civil Aviation Act that carry a total penalty of four years' jail
and four other breaches of the Civil Aviation Regulation punishable by
fines totalling $22,000.
Mr Jones, who has previously declined to address the allegations, did
not return calls yesterday. Asked last year about the waterskiing
incident, Jones described the CASA investigation as a "witch-hunt" and
said he was "just having a bit of fun" with the 15-year-old boy. "It was
perfectly safe," the NT News quoted him.
Keeping Up With The Joneses -- a fly-on-the-wall doco-drama about Mr
Jones's outback family life -- debuted to 837,000 viewers in October 2010.
by: Jared Owens
From: The Australian
May 25, 2012 12:00AM
AVIATION investigators have secured access to raw footage allegedly
showing reality TV star Milton Jones repeatedly breaching air safety
regulations during the filming of his hit Ten Network progam about life
in the outback, Keeping Up with the Joneses.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority suspects the millionaire Northern
Territory cattleman's illicit antics included drinking before flying and
using a helicopter to tow his waterskiing teenage son across a lake on
his 526,000ha cattle station.
Mr Jones, who owns and operates 41 commercial helicopters, is also
suspected of leaving children unattended at a helicopter's controls,
removing crocodile eggs from their nests without a proper licence and
keeping an aircraft's engine running while he went fishing.
The skylarking proved a ratings success for the Ten Network, but raised
eyebrows at CASA, which sought access to the raw footage to eliminate
the possibility of "poetic licence".
The most influential people in Sport
The Melbourne production company behind the program, WTFN, refused to
hand the footage over without a search warrant so CASA seized the
evidence during a raid of the company's lawyers' offices.
Mr Jones quickly filed a Federal Court application to derail CASA's
investigation, claiming the search warrant was out of order, but he was
rebuffed by a single judge and then the Full Court bench.
Mr Jones then engaged barrister Gerald Nash QC to seek special leave
before the High Court in Melbourne, but it took the judges only 13
minutes to throw out the case.
"We are not persuaded the applicant enjoys sufficient prospects of
success . . . nor are we persuaded that it is in the interests of
justice, either generally or in this particular case, that there be a
grant of special leave to appeal to this court," Justice Ken Hayne said,
dismissing the application with costs.
CASA is now examining the recordings on suspicion of two offences under
the Civil Aviation Act that carry a total penalty of four years' jail
and four other breaches of the Civil Aviation Regulation punishable by
fines totalling $22,000.
Mr Jones, who has previously declined to address the allegations, did
not return calls yesterday. Asked last year about the waterskiing
incident, Jones described the CASA investigation as a "witch-hunt" and
said he was "just having a bit of fun" with the 15-year-old boy. "It was
perfectly safe," the NT News quoted him.
Keeping Up With The Joneses -- a fly-on-the-wall doco-drama about Mr
Jones's outback family life -- debuted to 837,000 viewers in October 2010.
veritas
May 25, 2012, 7:49:47 PM5/25/12
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On 25/05/2012 8:31 PM, Rob wrote:
> CASA win on TV reality footage
>
> CASA win on TV reality footage
>
> Mr Jones, who has previously declined to address the allegations, did
> not return calls yesterday. Asked last year about the waterskiing
> incident, Jones described the CASA investigation as a "witch-hunt" and
> said he was "just having a bit of fun" with the 15-year-old boy. "It was
> perfectly safe," the NT News quoted him.
>
If it is so safe - let us see the pre-flight (weight and balance)
> not return calls yesterday. Asked last year about the waterskiing
> incident, Jones described the CASA investigation as a "witch-hunt" and
> said he was "just having a bit of fun" with the 15-year-old boy. "It was
> perfectly safe," the NT News quoted him.
>
moments calculation. I recall well, the same stunt in Victoria where
all were killed. Uncorrectable nose down pitch!
Rob
May 25, 2012, 11:33:50 PM5/25/12
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everything off. What I did see in that show was similar.
D Walford
May 26, 2012, 2:40:12 AM5/26/12
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On 26/05/2012 9:49 AM, veritas wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkH6uPBPymY
Daryl
veritas
May 26, 2012, 7:31:55 PM5/26/12
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With the large waves there was no way of telling what would be the
result. That film clip would have been most likely. I refused and pissed
off the entire surf club.
D Walford
May 26, 2012, 8:20:34 PM5/26/12
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My guess is it could work if the helicopter has some altitude and the
pilot knew what to expect when the load came on, low to the water and
not knowing what effect it would have on the helicopters stability is
asking for trouble.
Daryl
Paul Saccani
May 26, 2012, 9:25:29 PM5/26/12
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 09:49:47 +1000, veritas <ver...@nospam.com>
wrote:
I don't think you will like this...
http://www.colheli.com/news/the_hover_barge/
Cheers,
Paul Saccani,
Perth,
Western Australia
wrote:
http://www.colheli.com/news/the_hover_barge/
Cheers,
Paul Saccani,
Perth,
Western Australia
Paul Saccani
May 26, 2012, 9:49:52 PM5/26/12
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Be aware that the commentry is a nonsense on that clip. The operation
was a movie stunt, with all the neccessary pre-flight calculations and
the approval of the regulator. It was the unfortunate timing of the
rope breaking before the increased torque had been corrected by the
anti-torque rotor that put them into a pickle, they were already
yawing clockwise and were out of position. The chap on the skids was
Andreas Garcia.
The loss was covered by their insurance too!
Paul Saccani
May 26, 2012, 9:55:17 PM5/26/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:20:34 +1000, D Walford
<dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>On 27/05/2012 9:31 AM, veritas wrote:
>> On 26/05/2012 4:40 PM, D Walford wrote:
>>> On 26/05/2012 9:49 AM, veritas wrote:
>>>> On 25/05/2012 8:31 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>> CASA win on TV reality footage
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Jones, who has previously declined to address the allegations, did
>>>>> not return calls yesterday. Asked last year about the waterskiing
>>>>> incident, Jones described the CASA investigation as a "witch-hunt" and
>>>>> said he was "just having a bit of fun" with the 15-year-old boy. "It
>>>>> was
>>>>> perfectly safe," the NT News quoted him.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If it is so safe - let us see the pre-flight (weight and balance)
>>>> moments calculation. I recall well, the same stunt in Victoria where all
>>>> were killed. Uncorrectable nose down pitch!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Like this one.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkH6uPBPymY
>>>
>>>
>> I was asked to tow a rescue jet boat off shore into the beach.
>>
>> With the large waves there was no way of telling what would be the
>> result. That film clip would have been most likely. I refused and pissed
>> off the entire surf club.
>
>
>Obviously they know nothing about helicopters.
Other than being a highly experienced stunt pilot, I take it?
<dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>On 27/05/2012 9:31 AM, veritas wrote:
>> On 26/05/2012 4:40 PM, D Walford wrote:
>>> On 26/05/2012 9:49 AM, veritas wrote:
>>>> On 25/05/2012 8:31 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>> CASA win on TV reality footage
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Jones, who has previously declined to address the allegations, did
>>>>> not return calls yesterday. Asked last year about the waterskiing
>>>>> incident, Jones described the CASA investigation as a "witch-hunt" and
>>>>> said he was "just having a bit of fun" with the 15-year-old boy. "It
>>>>> was
>>>>> perfectly safe," the NT News quoted him.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If it is so safe - let us see the pre-flight (weight and balance)
>>>> moments calculation. I recall well, the same stunt in Victoria where all
>>>> were killed. Uncorrectable nose down pitch!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Like this one.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkH6uPBPymY
>>>
>>>
>> I was asked to tow a rescue jet boat off shore into the beach.
>>
>> With the large waves there was no way of telling what would be the
>> result. That film clip would have been most likely. I refused and pissed
>> off the entire surf club.
>
>
>Obviously they know nothing about helicopters.
>My guess is it could work if the helicopter has some altitude and the
>pilot knew what to expect when the load came on, low to the water and
>not knowing what effect it would have on the helicopters stability is
>asking for trouble.
Videos" isn't the place to look for accident analysis. On the day,
there were three things going wrong simultanously. Any two, and they
would have been OK, but three was one too many.
Paul Saccani
May 26, 2012, 9:56:17 PM5/26/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 09:31:55 +1000, veritas <ver...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>I was asked to tow a rescue jet boat off shore into the beach.
>
>With the large waves there was no way of telling what would be the
>result. That film clip would have been most likely. I refused and pissed
>off the entire surf club.
Sounds like your responce was most sensible.
wrote:
>I was asked to tow a rescue jet boat off shore into the beach.
>
>With the large waves there was no way of telling what would be the
>result. That film clip would have been most likely. I refused and pissed
>off the entire surf club.
D Walford
May 26, 2012, 10:24:47 PM5/26/12
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>
>> My guess is it could work if the helicopter has some altitude and the
>> pilot knew what to expect when the load came on, low to the water and
>> not knowing what effect it would have on the helicopters stability is
>> asking for trouble.
>
> It worked OK in reharsal. He did know what to expect. "Funniest Home
> Videos" isn't the place to look for accident analysis. On the day,
> there were three things going wrong simultanously. Any two, and they
> would have been OK, but three was one too many.
Any way you look at it it wasn't a clever thing to do.
>> My guess is it could work if the helicopter has some altitude and the
>> pilot knew what to expect when the load came on, low to the water and
>> not knowing what effect it would have on the helicopters stability is
>> asking for trouble.
>
> It worked OK in reharsal. He did know what to expect. "Funniest Home
> Videos" isn't the place to look for accident analysis. On the day,
> there were three things going wrong simultanously. Any two, and they
> would have been OK, but three was one too many.
Daryl
Paul Saccani
May 27, 2012, 3:11:06 AM5/27/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 12:24:47 +1000, D Walford
Well, let the self chastiment begin. ;)
>>> My guess is it could work if the helicopter has some altitude and the
>>> pilot knew what to expect when the load came on, low to the water and
>>> not knowing what effect it would have on the helicopters stability is
>>> asking for trouble.
>>
>> It worked OK in reharsal. He did know what to expect. "Funniest Home
>> Videos" isn't the place to look for accident analysis. On the day,
>> there were three things going wrong simultanously. Any two, and they
>> would have been OK, but three was one too many.
>
>Any way you look at it it wasn't a clever thing to do.
I don't see why. It is an eminently within the capability of the
aircraft. Heli-towing isn't all that uncommon in the America's, and
it even gets done here in WA. For those who used to read the ASD,
they had a nice sequence of a B204 debogging a Landcruiser, along with
adviced on how to do it properly.
It is improper to start with an accident as your only knowledge and
then state that a particular kind of operation is not smart.
If you compare this kind of operation with long lining timber, it
doesn't look that bad.
>>> My guess is it could work if the helicopter has some altitude and the
>>> pilot knew what to expect when the load came on, low to the water and
>>> not knowing what effect it would have on the helicopters stability is
>>> asking for trouble.
>>
>> It worked OK in reharsal. He did know what to expect. "Funniest Home
>> Videos" isn't the place to look for accident analysis. On the day,
>> there were three things going wrong simultanously. Any two, and they
>> would have been OK, but three was one too many.
>
>Any way you look at it it wasn't a clever thing to do.
aircraft. Heli-towing isn't all that uncommon in the America's, and
it even gets done here in WA. For those who used to read the ASD,
they had a nice sequence of a B204 debogging a Landcruiser, along with
adviced on how to do it properly.
It is improper to start with an accident as your only knowledge and
then state that a particular kind of operation is not smart.
If you compare this kind of operation with long lining timber, it
doesn't look that bad.
veritas
May 27, 2012, 4:08:45 AM5/27/12
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On 27/05/2012 5:11 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:
>
> If you compare this kind of operation with long lining timber, it
> doesn't look that bad.
Different load vector Paul (vertical/45degrees) which greatly affect the
>
> If you compare this kind of operation with long lining timber, it
> doesn't look that bad.
pitch moments at the tow hook
If I had to tow a boat to save life, it would have to be long line to
enable to first take/test the load more vertical before actually moving
forward VERY slowly. If loss of pitch control is encountered - just
lower collective with plenty of air underneath to reduce the load to
regain control or hit the dump button.
I have towed 2 x 1.2 mile of high voltage power cable from mountaintop
to mountaintop to lay it across the destination pole cross-arm. Apart
from starting with a vertical lift I had 400 feet under me in the
valley. No sudden/high forward speed!!!
Hughes 500 makes a difference too.
D Walford
May 27, 2012, 6:36:47 AM5/27/12
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and take the appropriate precautions, it also sounds like you had a very
interesting flying career.
Daryl
keithr
May 28, 2012, 3:25:26 AM5/28/12
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couple of donks on the hovercraft itself.
keithr
May 28, 2012, 3:35:53 AM5/28/12
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On 27/05/2012 8:36 PM, D Walford wrote:
> On 27/05/2012 6:08 PM, veritas wrote:
>> On 27/05/2012 5:11 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If you compare this kind of operation with long lining timber, it
>>> doesn't look that bad.
>>
>> Different load vector Paul (vertical/45degrees) which greatly affect the
>> pitch moments at the tow hook
>>
>> If I had to tow a boat to save life, it would have to be long line to
>> enable to first take/test the load more vertical before actually moving
>> forward VERY slowly. If loss of pitch control is encountered - just
>> lower collective with plenty of air underneath to reduce the load to
>> regain control or hit the dump button.
>>
>> I have towed 2 x 1.2 mile of high voltage power cable from mountaintop
>> to mountaintop to lay it across the destination pole cross-arm. Apart
>> from starting with a vertical lift I had 400 feet under me in the
>> valley. No sudden/high forward speed!!!
>>
>> Hughes 500 makes a difference too.
Quite a different type of load to towing a boat too.
> On 27/05/2012 6:08 PM, veritas wrote:
>> On 27/05/2012 5:11 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If you compare this kind of operation with long lining timber, it
>>> doesn't look that bad.
>>
>> Different load vector Paul (vertical/45degrees) which greatly affect the
>> pitch moments at the tow hook
>>
>> If I had to tow a boat to save life, it would have to be long line to
>> enable to first take/test the load more vertical before actually moving
>> forward VERY slowly. If loss of pitch control is encountered - just
>> lower collective with plenty of air underneath to reduce the load to
>> regain control or hit the dump button.
>>
>> I have towed 2 x 1.2 mile of high voltage power cable from mountaintop
>> to mountaintop to lay it across the destination pole cross-arm. Apart
>> from starting with a vertical lift I had 400 feet under me in the
>> valley. No sudden/high forward speed!!!
>>
>> Hughes 500 makes a difference too.
> Sounds like almost anything is possible if you know what you are doing
> and take the appropriate precautions, it also sounds like you had a very
> interesting flying career.
the tow line giving a force backward and downward, and a thrust vector
from the rotor giving an upward and forward force. If the two balance
fine, if the thrust vector is above the load vector then there will be a
tendency to lift the load, if it is below the load vector then it tend
to pull the chopper down.
Towing a boat would depend on the water drag of the boat and the
smoothness of the water, if the waves are of any size, it would
definitely be iffy.
Paul Saccani
May 29, 2012, 5:59:20 AM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 17:25:26 +1000, keithr <kei...@nowhere.com.au>
wrote:
The hoverbarge was the extreme weight limit. More commonly, they do
sledging operations. The Canadian version of the CH46 was fitted with
an unusual 45° inclinonometer for rescue towing operations at a 25°
forward tilt.
wrote:
sledging operations. The Canadian version of the CH46 was fitted with
an unusual 45° inclinonometer for rescue towing operations at a 25°
forward tilt.
D Walford
May 29, 2012, 7:29:44 AM5/29/12
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pilots in their seats.
Daryl
Tudor5
May 29, 2012, 11:28:10 AM5/29/12
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On May 29, 7:29 pm, D Walford <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> On 29/05/2012 7:59 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 17:25:26 +1000, keithr<kei...@nowhere.com.au>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 27/05/2012 11:25 AM, Paul Saccani wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 09:49:47 +1000, veritas<veri...@nospam.com>
> On 29/05/2012 7:59 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 17:25:26 +1000, keithr<kei...@nowhere.com.au>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 27/05/2012 11:25 AM, Paul Saccani wrote:
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On 25/05/2012 8:31 PM, Rob wrote:
> >>>>> CASA win on TV reality footage
>
> >>>>> Mr Jones, who has previously declined to address the allegations, did
> >>>>> not return calls yesterday. Asked last year about the waterskiing
> >>>>> incident, Jones described the CASA investigation as a "witch-hunt" and
> >>>>> said he was "just having a bit of fun" with the 15-year-old boy. "It was
> >>>>> perfectly safe," the NT News quoted him.
>
> >>>> If it is so safe - let us see the pre-flight (weight and balance)
> >>>> moments calculation. I recall well, the same stunt in Victoria where
> >>>> all were killed. Uncorrectable nose down pitch!
>
> >>> I don't think you will like this...
>
> >>>http://www.colheli.com/news/the_hover_barge/
> >>> Cheers,
>
> >> That seems a very strange and inefficient idea, much better to stick a
> >> couple of donks on the hovercraft itself.
>
> > The hoverbarge was the extreme weight limit. More commonly, they do
> > sledging operations. The Canadian version of the CH46 was fitted with
> > an unusual 45° inclinonometer for rescue towing operations at a 25°
> > forward tilt.
>
> I hope they also fitted 5 point harness done up very tight to keep the
> pilots in their seats.
>
> Daryl
Interesting in that B206 Clip the tow line is OUTSIDE the skids
>
> >>>> On 25/05/2012 8:31 PM, Rob wrote:
> >>>>> CASA win on TV reality footage
>
> >>>>> Mr Jones, who has previously declined to address the allegations, did
> >>>>> not return calls yesterday. Asked last year about the waterskiing
> >>>>> incident, Jones described the CASA investigation as a "witch-hunt" and
> >>>>> said he was "just having a bit of fun" with the 15-year-old boy. "It was
> >>>>> perfectly safe," the NT News quoted him.
>
> >>>> If it is so safe - let us see the pre-flight (weight and balance)
> >>>> moments calculation. I recall well, the same stunt in Victoria where
> >>>> all were killed. Uncorrectable nose down pitch!
>
> >>> I don't think you will like this...
>
> >>>http://www.colheli.com/news/the_hover_barge/
> >>> Cheers,
>
> >> That seems a very strange and inefficient idea, much better to stick a
> >> couple of donks on the hovercraft itself.
>
> > The hoverbarge was the extreme weight limit. More commonly, they do
> > sledging operations. The Canadian version of the CH46 was fitted with
> > an unusual 45° inclinonometer for rescue towing operations at a 25°
> > forward tilt.
>
> I hope they also fitted 5 point harness done up very tight to keep the
> pilots in their seats.
>
> Daryl
As others have commented correctly
on towing capabilities of rotary wing
But for my money inside skids always NEVER outside
in such a situation
That said winch ops can also get iffy :)
@ Veritas was the cable laying in a Llama ?
You want excitement :) dynamic roll over is another trap for
far too many
First here is a good demo for non RW folk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9GW8OShclc&feature=related
Next two examples
of when it all turns to worms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4xGZdpWcK4&feature=related
first in sequence
For the ghouls other prangs in the compilation
D Walford
May 29, 2012, 9:02:26 PM5/29/12
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fortunately the instructor was able to stop laughing at my terror
quickly enough to take control.
Daryl
veritas
May 29, 2012, 9:39:26 PM5/29/12
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On 30/05/2012 1:28 AM, Tudor5 wrote:
> On May 29, 7:29 pm, D Walford<dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>
> @ Veritas was the cable laying in a Llama ?
Hughes 500 D
>
> @ Veritas was the cable laying in a Llama ?
veritas
May 29, 2012, 9:23:43 PM5/29/12
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On 30/05/2012 1:28 AM, Tudor5 wrote:
>
>
> Interesting in that B206 Clip the tow line is OUTSIDE the skids
A no-no in my book.
>
> As others have commented correctly
> on towing capabilities of rotary wing
>
> But for my money inside skids always NEVER outside
> in such a situation
>
> That said winch ops can also get iffy :)
VERY!
> As others have commented correctly
> on towing capabilities of rotary wing
>
> But for my money inside skids always NEVER outside
> in such a situation
>
> That said winch ops can also get iffy :)
>
> @ Veritas was the cable laying in a Llama ?
>
> You want excitement :) dynamic roll over is another trap for
> far too many
> First here is a good demo for non RW folk
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9GW8OShclc&feature=related
>
> Next two examples
> of when it all turns to worms
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4xGZdpWcK4&feature=related
> first in sequence
> For the ghouls other prangs in the compilation
bastard and wanted to be a crew member. Through the training period we
were training transferring crew (inc. the cop) to jet boat and
visa-versa in an estuary on the go (bout 25k). I failed to fully
appreciate his real weight unit he stepped on the skid (6" above the
boat gunnel) then things turned to shit. The helo rolled and the boat
was damaged by the skid. It continued to roll (fortunately) tipped the
cop onto his head into the boat. That allowed me to regain control and
clearance after flying sideways about a foot high laterally across the
boat. the boat crew did a great job of quickly ducking to avoid the skid.
A disaster avoided in about one second. could have been 8 dead in one
second!
The cop being in mid step to the on the skid to the boat and just
balancing saved the day - not me.
"Fate is the hunter" is very far from mind. If only I could write like him.
>
>
>
>
keithr
May 29, 2012, 10:25:47 PM5/29/12
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On 30/05/2012 11:23 AM, veritas wrote:
> "Fate is the hunter" is very far from mind. If only I could write like him.
The greatest aviation book IMHO.
> "Fate is the hunter" is very far from mind. If only I could write like him.
Paul Saccani
May 30, 2012, 10:10:47 PM5/30/12
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:29:44 +1000, D Walford
<dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> The hoverbarge was the extreme weight limit. More commonly, they do
>> sledging operations. The Canadian version of the CH46 was fitted with
>> an unusual 45° inclinonometer for rescue towing operations at a 25°
>> forward tilt.
>
>I hope they also fitted 5 point harness done up very tight to keep the
>pilots in their seats.
6 point. I've never used a five point, but I imagine it would be
<dwal...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> The hoverbarge was the extreme weight limit. More commonly, they do
>> sledging operations. The Canadian version of the CH46 was fitted with
>> an unusual 45° inclinonometer for rescue towing operations at a 25°
>> forward tilt.
>
>I hope they also fitted 5 point harness done up very tight to keep the
>pilots in their seats.
unpleasant.
Paul Saccani
May 30, 2012, 10:17:53 PM5/30/12
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT), Tudor5
<spaml...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Interesting in that B206 Clip the tow line is OUTSIDE the skids
No, it wasn't. The tow passed under the skid and was stored for
<spaml...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Interesting in that B206 Clip the tow line is OUTSIDE the skids
deployment under the lower fuselage rail. After the tow was passed,
it was inside the skids to the quick release hook.
You are being mislead by the most poor qaulity of the video.
>As others have commented correctly
>on towing capabilities of rotary wing
>
>But for my money inside skids always NEVER outside
>in such a situation
Paul Saccani
May 30, 2012, 10:29:05 PM5/30/12
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On Wed, 30 May 2012 11:23:43 +1000, veritas <ver...@nospam.com>
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>visa-versa in an estuary on the go (bout 25k). I failed to fully
>appreciate his real weight unit he stepped on the skid (6" above the
>boat gunnel)
No insult, no flame, but in Australia, it is a gunwale, not a gunnel.
The latter is an american way of spelling the sloppy speech of the
jolly jack tar that couldn't be bothered to pronounce it correctly,
which is as gun-wale, being the topmost wale where small cannon were
attached. A wale is a broad, thick plank. In HM english, the correct
spelling is retained, even though the correct pronounciation is long
dead.
wrote:
>visa-versa in an estuary on the go (bout 25k). I failed to fully
>appreciate his real weight unit he stepped on the skid (6" above the
>boat gunnel)
The latter is an american way of spelling the sloppy speech of the
jolly jack tar that couldn't be bothered to pronounce it correctly,
which is as gun-wale, being the topmost wale where small cannon were
attached. A wale is a broad, thick plank. In HM english, the correct
spelling is retained, even though the correct pronounciation is long
dead.
keithr
May 30, 2012, 10:45:44 PM5/30/12
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Tudor5
Jun 3, 2012, 9:02:59 AM6/3/12
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On May 31, 10:10 am, Paul Saccani <sacc...@pc.jaring.my> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:29:44 +1000, D Walford
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> On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:29:44 +1000, D Walford
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veritas
Jun 3, 2012, 11:36:04 PM6/3/12
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On 31/05/2012 12:29 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:
of them when I started - that bloody memory of mine!
Sylvia Else
Jun 4, 2012, 1:15:55 AM6/4/12
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On 27/05/2012 9:31 AM, veritas wrote:
the crash happened after the rope snapped. Apparently, that was enough
to destabilise the helicopter.
Slightly better video of the same incident here.
http://www.flixxy.com/helicopter-towing-boat.htm
Sylvia.
Paul Saccani
Jun 6, 2012, 5:08:13 AM6/6/12
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:36:04 +1000, veritas <ver...@nospam.com>
wrote:
Buffer is not a slovenly pronounciation, merely a nick name. Swain is
a pretty accurate pronounciation of sweyne, and the modern way of
spelling it. Sweyne being a term for a naval officer (presumably
without a commisison), the origin of which I don't know.
Bosun is indeed a lazy pronounciation of boatswaine (boat's swaine).
wrote:
a pretty accurate pronounciation of sweyne, and the modern way of
spelling it. Sweyne being a term for a naval officer (presumably
without a commisison), the origin of which I don't know.
Bosun is indeed a lazy pronounciation of boatswaine (boat's swaine).
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