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Sep 6, 2003, 8:10:08 PM9/6/03
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"GB" <g...@sonicresearch.mailme.org> wrote in message
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. The fact that it's a
> proper SLR with the ability to change lenses means
> you can stick a bloody great long lense on it, kinda
> critical for shooting aeroplanes in action.
>
>

Careful you don't get mistaken for someone with a rocket propelled
grenade or something...

Regards,
BB.


Scott Howard

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GB <g...@sonicresearch.mailme.org> wrote:
> Called 'Canon EOS 300D' here in Oz, and 'Digital Rebel'
> in the US, and 'KISS Digital' in Japan, it's a smaller,

There's a good review of it available at http://www.dpreview.com/

> of RRP $1999.00 here in Oz. (In their usual form,
> dirtcheapcameras.com.au/Impact Cameras Chatswood are
> happy to accept a big fat deposit to lock you in to
> them. No actual pricing details though)

They have estimated pricing ($1800), and putting down a deposit does
NOT "lock you in"- it's a fully refundable deposit if you change your
mind - it just reserves your position in the queue to get them (and
I suspect it's going to be a far longer queue than there was for the
10D's, given the price)

Scott.

Petzl

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Sep 7, 2003, 2:10:41 AM9/7/03
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On 7 Sep 2003 05:28:09 GMT, Scott Howard <sc...@hunterlink.net.au>
wrote:

When buying digital Cameras its a good idea to check the USa internet
prices (often ½ Australian price) It only takes around three days
delivery

The one I am looking at is the Sony 8 megapixel with a four colour CCD
(instead of three) Have to wait not out till november
<http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscf828/>

Before (3 colour CCD)
<http://www.steves-digicams.com/images5/sony_sample_old.jpg>
After (4 colour CCD)
<http://www.steves-digicams.com/images5/sony_sample_new.jpg>


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Sep 7, 2003, 5:42:43 AM9/7/03
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Petzl <petzl...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> When buying digital Cameras its a good idea to check the USa internet
> prices (often Australian price) It only takes around three days
> delivery

Unfortunately this isn't a necessarily a good idea for the Canon's
as the digital canon's only come with a local warranty. ie, if you
buy it in the US then your warranty isn't valid in Australia.

> The one I am looking at is the Sony 8 megapixel with a four colour CCD
> (instead of three) Have to wait not out till november
> <http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscf828/>

Personally I'd prefer the 22.7 x 15.1 mm sensor of the Canon's than the
8.8 x 6.6 mm sensor of the Sony! That means the Sony sensor is about
1/6th the size of the Canon.

Scott

Petzl

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Sep 7, 2003, 6:28:59 PM9/7/03
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 21:28:59 GMT, GB <g...@sonicresearch.mailme.org>
wrote:

>Petzl <petzl...@SpAmCoP.NeT> wrote in
>news:3eillvo1vc0o0ehro...@4ax.com:


>> When buying digital Cameras its a good idea to check the USa internet
>> prices (often ½ Australian price) It only takes around three days
>> delivery
>

> No, that would be a bad move if you want any sort
>of warranty. It is widely known that all the major
>camera manufacturers only offer local warranties on
>digital bodies.
>
> Buy your lenses, and film bodies overseas, by all
>means - I encourage that, 'cos prices are pretty
>crazy here. If you want any sort of aftermarket
>support though, you need to buy the digital bodies
>here (or factor in shipping costs, etc, in the event
>of some sort of failure).
>
If you think Australia offer a warranty service, fine (bad experiences
here). Major brands are covered by international warranties (or used
to be). At worst you may have to pay to get it *properly* serviced in
Japan or the USa (not all digitals are made in Japan Sony is). But
only in the unlikley event of a problem.

I also suspect the dud runs are sold in Australia not the USa (I buy a
fair bit over internet and quality has so far been perfect not so in
Australia?) Quality is now measured by consistancy if one has a crack
they should all have cracks, Untill the production line adapts (the
cracked ones, IMO, are then flogged off in Oz at more than twice the
USa price posibly paid for at much less than the uncracked ones)

Australian warranties often have one send the gear to a very dodgey
shop nearby making a bad problem worse.

I have had a Sony Floppy drive Digital for years and knock wood,
still works well. Suits me very well for travel as everyone so far
has a floppy drive for me to email photos.

>> The one I am looking at is the Sony 8 megapixel with a four colour CCD
>> (instead of three) Have to wait not out till november
>> <http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscf828/>

or
<http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/f828.html>
> The 8 megapixels is an attractive thing, as is the extra colour
>(but who knows whether that's snake oil or real). The fact that
>it doesn't offer the ability to change lenses means it's going to
>be limited. The fact that Sony finally woke up to themselves
>and included compact flash is a good thing.
>
>G

The other thing with using non-digital lens is that they are not
designed for for CCD use (Sony also have the zero lux and night shot
abilties, The four colour does seem to give more shades of clour (more
yellows greens etc)

Biggest killer of Digital CCD/CMOS is dust and a problem for/with
interchangable lens

Scott Howard

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Sep 7, 2003, 6:11:33 PM9/7/03
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GB <g...@sonicresearch.mailme.org> wrote:
>> There's a good review of it available at http://www.dpreview.com/
>
> Yup, that's why I posted a link to the review in my original
> post on the subject :-)

Oops.. so you did :)

>> They have estimated pricing ($1800), and putting down a deposit does
>> NOT "lock you in"- it's a fully refundable deposit if you change your
>> mind - it just reserves your position in the queue to get them (and
>

> Fair enough. I was just having a giggle at that company
> and their practices. They seem to be something of a
> comedy of errors, getting chucked out of the Camera
> House chain for trying to run 'dirtcheapcameras' on
> the sly, asking $1000.00 desposits for 10Ds while others
> were selling them wiwo, over the counter, and then

They were taking the deposits at a time when nobody else had any in stock,
and obviously the people who paid the deposits though it was worthwhile -
I know I did! The day before I paid my deposit to DCC I asked about the
10D at Camera House Parramatta and was told it was still over a month away.
4 days later I had mine.

> that "Canon Digital Expo" stunt they ran a couple of
> weeks ago (fifteen cameras in a glass case on an
> inaccessible podium) is all just *funny*. The punters

You mean the one at Chatswood? I missed that one, but did see the one at
Hornsby last week. They were quite happy to give me a play with the
17-40L, which just happened to be attached to a 10D.

> who buy from them seem to be happy enough though, and
> the pricess, at least on the web site, tend to be OK.

I've yet to find anyone who's bought from them and wasn't happy with the
experience, or the price!

Scott

ops

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Sep 7, 2003, 8:36:19 PM9/7/03
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Pretzl

Just stick with your Sony Floppy drive Digital. It became obvious whilst
reading through your comments your not in the real world. nor digital
cameras. LOL

r

Petzl

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Sep 7, 2003, 9:35:09 PM9/7/03
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On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:36:19 +1000, ops <martin@w'gong.apana.org.au>
wrote:

>Pretzl
>
>Just stick with your Sony Floppy drive Digital. It became obvious whilst
>reading through your comments your not in the real world. nor digital
>cameras. LOL
>
>r

And you are? I also have a a 3 megapixel digital but for travel and
keeping in touch I find the floppy drive adequate

Please feel free to buy your CMOS (not CCD) Canon in Australia

Petzl

Petzl

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Sep 8, 2003, 3:39:06 AM9/8/03
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On 7 Sep 2003 09:42:43 GMT, Scott Howard <sc...@hunterlink.net.au>
wrote:

>Petzl <petzl...@spamcop.net> wrote:

The canon use a CMOS sensor while there are some advantages such as
lower light capability they are not considered (yet) superior to a CCD
sensor

The only advantage I see with the Canon is if one wants to use a
variety of lenses outside of sony's DSVF828, 28mm to 200mm range (this
lens is a first class one by the way).

Martin Taylor

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Sep 8, 2003, 10:34:41 AM9/8/03
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GB said....

GB> you can stick a bloody great long lense on it, kinda
GB> critical for shooting aeroplanes in action.

Hey! Don't say that in here. Already, Howard's Stormtroopers are
probably heading your way to incarcerate you indefinately....

Hope you didn't also mention the war, al El Qaeda.....

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ops

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Sep 9, 2003, 12:15:31 AM9/9/03
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Petzl wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:36:19 +1000, ops <martin@w'gong.apana.org.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Pretzl
>>
>>Just stick with your Sony Floppy drive Digital. It became obvious whilst
>>reading through your comments your not in the real world. nor digital
>>cameras. LOL
>>
>>r
>
>
> And you are? I also have a a 3 megapixel digital but for travel and
> keeping in touch I find the floppy drive adequate
>
> Please feel free to buy your CMOS (not CCD) Canon in Australia
>


I have and its a 6Mp and CCD bought in Australia thanks.

Having compared prices there's not much advantage buying OS for either
that body or lenses for that body.

r


Martin Taylor

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Sep 9, 2003, 4:12:02 AM9/9/03
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Scott Howard said....

SH> GB <g...@sonicresearch.mailme.org> wrote:
>> Called 'Canon EOS 300D' here in Oz, and 'Digital Rebel'
>> in the US, and 'KISS Digital' in Japan, it's a smaller,

SH> There's a good review of it available at http://www.dpreview.com/

Another camera to consider is the Olympus C-740. It's a 3.2 megapixel
job, but the beauty of it is that it has a 10x optical zoom. It's also
$999 RRP.

The October issue (yeah, I know, it's only Sept 9 now) has a review of a
number of digital cameras. For sporting events and airshows, I think
that optical zoom would be high on the list of prefered features, if not
the highest. Quality-wise, they're all much of a muchness, these days.
If you're after perfect shots, then spend the same dough on a decent
film SLR and a couple of zoom/telephoto lenses.

If you're wanting to print out good shots, then you'll get good results
from 2 megapixel and up. Most printers don't do much more than 2880x720
dpi, and even then, they use shitloads of ink when printing hi quality
color images. I think that it'd be cheaper to have film developed, given
the cost of quality ink carts, these days.

Petzl

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Sep 9, 2003, 8:13:57 AM9/9/03
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:15:31 +1000, ops <martin@w'gong.apana.org.au>
wrote:

I just looked also and it seems Australia is now competing with USa
prices

Teds price is here (not sure if a lens is extra)
<http://www.teds.com.au/www/94/1001102/displayproduct/1005323_1005803_.html>

The USa you can choose your own I use this search
<http://www.mysimon.com/4014-6501_8-30526206.html?tag=ksrch.srlist&q=Canon+EOS+300D>

Another advantage with a CMOS is a larger depth of field (although I
would still go for a CCD)

ops

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Sep 9, 2003, 1:52:23 PM9/9/03
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Petzl wrote:

>
> Another advantage with a CMOS is a larger depth of field (although I
> would still go for a CCD)
>
>
> Petzl
>

And why would that be?

r

Petzl

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Sep 9, 2003, 5:40:59 PM9/9/03
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:52:23 +1000, ops <martin@w'gong.apana.org.au>
wrote:

>
>

Larger sensor size equals better Depth of Field (35 mm Film is better
still, 6x6 film better again)

At present the quality of a (say) 6 Megapixel CCD is far superior in
sharpness and low noise images to a 6 Megapixel CMOS (although CMOS
has and is making inroads to better quality all the time) The Cannon
CMOS is as good as can be presently got (and is VERY good, a top
camera)

You can check out Depth of Field issues here
http://dfleming.ameranet.com/dofjs.html

PlaneGuy

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Sep 9, 2003, 6:14:37 PM9/9/03
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>At present the quality of a (say) 6 Megapixel CCD is far superior in
sharpness and low noise images to a 6 Megapixel CMOS

I am a little confused. Can you specify one 6mp CCD sensor, that produces
better images than a 6mp CMOS sensor (or vice versa)

The two that are readily comparable are the Canon 10D (CMOS) and the D100
(CCD). I think that its a metter of personal preference which sensor people
think gives a better image.

CMOS seems to be being used in the higher end cameras more and more. The new
D2H is closer to CMOS than to CCD. Canon is using it all there latest DSLRs
(1Ds, 10D, 300D, though not the older 1D). Foveon is also a CMOS technology.

I consider it an absolutely pointless excercise saying that sensor type X is
better or worse than sensor type Y. People should look at the final images,
for a perticular camera and work out if it is good enough for them. For
example I use CMOS, but would never say that a $150 webcam using the same
type of sensor (its CMOS too) would be a decent image.


Petzl

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Sep 9, 2003, 7:26:50 PM9/9/03
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If you are happy with a CMOS instead of a equal size CCD fine. (I
doubt if there is that much in it)

CMOS is catching up to CCD as far as quality goes. If a CMOS camera
comes out in a price and quality for me I would easily change. (its
not that much of an issue any more)

CMOS has improved and is improving (so is CCD) I would not say high
end cameras exclusively choose CMOS

IMO, the major reason for "Top End" selecting CMOS is because it has a
larger sensor size and allows their lens manufacturing to adapt more
easily into digital. Kodaks top end (13 megapixal) is using a CMOS
with a sensor 36x24mm (Canon's 300D is 22.1x15.1)

While CMOS can take photos in lower light, the image noise goes up as
it does (the dreaded purple halo). But much less a problem now than it
was even a year or so ago

The depth of field issue is only a minor plus and not that bigger
concern for me with digital cameras. For professional use the 6x9 film
still has not been matched. So it seems the fix is to design sensors
with larger surface area whether this will end up being CCD's or
CMOS's who knows

this is a story about CMOS which seems to raise what its all about
now 2 years old
<http://www.dpreview.com/news/0011/00110701ccddeathknell.asp>

PlaneGuy

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Sep 10, 2003, 4:37:42 AM9/10/03
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Actually, the story you quote is 3 years old, released 1 month after the
release of the Canon D30. The "first ever multi-megapixel sensor to be seen
in a production camera" (from DPReview)

Now, I refer you to this page:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos300d/page13.asp
and particularly the "Luminance noise graph" three quarters the way down the
page. I would say that the CCD D100 is fairly close to the CMOS 10D, and the
less sharpened 300D. These are similar sized sensors, with different
technology and very comprable performance.

Now the D30 review (circa October 2000)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canond30/page16.asp

"Noiseless "grain free" images
The first thing that strikes you about the D30's images is their virtual
lack of any noise (obviously some becomes apparent at higher ISO's but still
impressive), zoom in as far as you like, all you'll find are smooth
gradients and sharp details. The next thing you'll notice is a lack of any
kind of sharpening artifacts; jagged lines or black / white halo's, that's
because the D30 has very little internal sharpening (or if any it's very
mild), that produces these beautiful clean images, so noiseless in fact that
in this respect I can't really find another camera to compare to the D30.

The two samples below each have three areas cropped then magnified 200%,
just look at that smooth clean detail with virtually no noise (ISO 100)."

Or on the next page, looking at comparing the D30 to the dearer D1 from the
same era at higher ISOs....

"Conclusion? Hmm.. Well I wouldn't want to use either of these cameras for
anything too critical at ISO 1600, certainly nothing that wasn't going to be
reduced in size. Shooting for the web, smallish prints or a family album and
you could certainly get away with ISO 800. The D30's noise looks more "film
like" in that it's random, not a defined pattern like the D1, so that
probably makes it easier to remove, but overall I'd probably call this part
of the comparison a dead heat."

My conclusion: I just don't see how you can make a blanket statement that
CMOS is worse for noise than CCD. I still ask you to provide one example of
a similar sized, similar sized comparison between CCD and CMOS that shows a
significant advantage to either format.


Petzl

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:37:42 +1000, "PlaneGuy"
<Plane...@hotmail.com> wrote:


>My conclusion: I just don't see how you can make a blanket statement that
>CMOS is worse for noise than CCD. I still ask you to provide one example of
>a similar sized, similar sized comparison between CCD and CMOS that shows a
>significant advantage to either format.
>
>
>

There is no doubt that your Canon is an impressive CMOS camera with
many advadages such as speed, better depth of field and your own
choice of lens
<http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos300d/page22.asp>

For me and a similar price I will be looking at the sony
<http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/F828/F82A.HTM>

As CMOS has been improving so has CCD I like the size and the self
contained 28 to 200mm lens included in the price. Plus the better
colour (I hope)

Petzl

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:54:36 GMT, GB <g...@sonicresearch.mailme.org>
wrote:

>Petzl <petzl...@SpAmCoP.NeT> wrote in
>news:05colvgfs9moltf14...@4ax.com:


>> The only advantage I see with the Canon is if one wants to use a
>> variety of lenses outside of sony's DSVF828, 28mm to 200mm range
>

> Tits on a bull if the aeroplane you want to photograph
>is at the other end of a 10,000+ft runway. Unless, of course,
>postage-stamp sized video is your thing.
>

and you happen to have a collection of lens plus tripod that will
accommodate your particular fetish.

>> (this lens is a first class one by the way).
>

> Only if you subscribe to the Sony "Carl Zeiss is God"
>train of thought. "The infidel Americans are lying.
>There are no American troops in Baghdad".
>
This lens is first class and designed specifically for the Sony 8 meg
CCD. How many people make len's in Japan you think (Canon don't)

The samples I have seen of photos taken with DSVF828 do show a much
better range of colours

Paul Repacholi

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Sep 11, 2003, 2:33:40 PM9/11/03
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GB <g...@sonicresearch.mailme.org> writes:

> I actually had my eye on the 16-35L, but 1mm, 1 stop, and seventeen
> hundred dollars difference makes that 17-40L look a bit attractive.

The 16-35L is a MUCH nicer lens than the earlier one. It is not just
a 1mm in FL difference. Not sure if you get all your moneys worth
with a digital short of the 1Ds though. And you can correct the
distortion if you feel the need. The 1 stop of the 17-40L can also
bite when you don't need it most.

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Petzl <petzl...@SpAmCoP.NeT> writes:

> This lens is first class and designed specifically for the Sony 8
> meg CCD. How many people make len's in Japan you think (Canon don't)

Canon make lens components in Japan, Taiwan, Singapore and Malaysia,
and their main asembly plants are Jp, Sg, and the republic of the
recalcitrant. :) Or that was the case last I bothered to notice.

Petzl

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Sep 12, 2003, 4:46:27 AM9/12/03
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 04:00:40 +0800, Paul Repacholi
<pr...@prep.synonet.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzl...@SpAmCoP.NeT> writes:
>
>> This lens is first class and designed specifically for the Sony 8
>> meg CCD. How many people make len's in Japan you think (Canon don't)
>
>Canon make lens components in Japan, Taiwan, Singapore and Malaysia,
>and their main asembly plants are Jp, Sg, and the republic of the
>recalcitrant. :) Or that was the case last I bothered to notice.

But not lenses (although the lenses are very good also)

a major peave I have with Canon (and yes I'm a poor sod who owns one)
is their rubbish metering system which they still inflict on people
today

Martin Taylor

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Sep 13, 2003, 9:35:52 PM9/13/03
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GB said....

GB> Canon flashes in Hong Kong for, literally, half the RRP of
GB> the same items here in Oz. International warranty too (I
GB> checked on the lense, AFAIK on the flashes).

What about import duty and GST that's payable on stuff that you bring
back with you, or that you have shipped to you? Does that still keep the
prices really low?

The missus recently ordered some clothes from JC Penney in the US. When
it arrived here, we got a chit from customs for a $75 bill (on goods
worth about $170). The last time that I went O/S, coming back into Oz,
clothing that we had was not subject to any duties, taxes, etc. Yet,
when we ordered the stuff over the 'net, we got slugged big time.

I spoke to the customs people to clarify this. Apparently clothing can
attract up to 50% or more import duty and GST (which I assume is applied
to the cost of the goods AND the duty - something that I find immoral,
to say the least).

Petzl

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Sep 13, 2003, 10:42:45 PM9/13/03
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For some reason goods bought by the internet and "shipped" by a
carrier like UPS/DHL are tax free

At least tax has never (not yet) entered the equation for the many
people who have bought stuff from overseas companies I know about

So unless something new has come about please let us know


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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:42:45 +1000, Petzl <petzl...@SpAmCoP.NeT>
wrote:

OK found a link here

<http://www.dcita.gov.au/Article/0,,0_1-2_1-4_13812,00.html>
or tiny URL
<http://tinyurl.com/na87>

Not that I have a problem with goods that are priced the same in
Australia as overseas. A while ago Australian consumers were simply
being milked, It is obvious the "net competition has caused prices to
compete with overseas.

The line I always got was the USa market is so much bigger than
Australia's, The reply I gave was well the USa's market is now even
bigger with my order. Goods always arrived within three days and were
able to track them online as well. Bit amazed when a big articulated
truck turns up with my "7 LED" flash light (although I see these now
in Jaycar electronics reasonably priced )

matt weber

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:35:52 GMT, Martin Taylor
<mta...@austar-trash-net.com.au> wrote:

>GB said....
>
> GB> Canon flashes in Hong Kong for, literally, half the RRP of
> GB> the same items here in Oz. International warranty too (I
> GB> checked on the lense, AFAIK on the flashes).
>
>What about import duty and GST that's payable on stuff that you bring
>back with you, or that you have shipped to you? Does that still keep the
>prices really low?

There are two questions. There is an allowance for personal imports.

beyond that if it is shipped to you, you need to be very careful about
how it is shipped. It makes a huge difference.

If you ship via UPS, Federal Express, or DHL, you care going to pay,
period. These companies handle their own customs clearance, and are
legally required to collect GST/duty, and usually a good chunk of
change for the honor of presenting that bill. The bind is that most
merchants simply refuse to ship by anthing other then these shippers,
it is easier for them (and a lot more expensive for you).

The corollary is the Customs has no such obligation on shipments they
handle, such as those that come in via Mail. The result is the
majority of them are never even looked it. If you shipped in package
via small packet air with a declared value of $20,000, odds are it
would still arrive without duty or GST charges, because no one would
have every bothered to look at it.

The logic on small packet air is that since it cannot be insured, it
cannot be worth anything, so why even bother to look, and they don't
bother to look!.

Even an insured parcel, unless the duty/taxes make it worth customs
effort, they don't bother, because unlike a Customs Broker, they are
very restricted in what they can charge for the honor.

My attitude is that if the paper work is in order, and cusoms cannot
be bothered to charge the duty or tax, it isn't my problem, or my
obligation to pay them either.

Martin Taylor

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Sep 14, 2003, 4:24:23 AM9/14/03
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Petzl said....

Pe> For some reason goods bought by the internet and "shipped" by a
Pe> carrier like UPS/DHL are tax free

That's not correct. ALL goods imported are subjected to some form of
tax. It's how they go about checking each and every article. I've had
heaps of stuff shipped over. The missus' clothes a few months ago was
the first time that anything of ours has been opened and checked. We got
to the PO to collect it, had to sign a customs form and hand over the
readies before they'd give it to us. We could have objected, but that
meant not taking the stuff, and lodging a formal application to have it
reviewed.

I dunno about you, but my dealings with any of the federal public
service agencies have NEVER been straight forward and prompt.

The customs website has a fair bit of info on what's dutiable and what's
not. Stuff that's normally not dutyable too, is when you bring it back
yourself and it's under $400 (presuming that the amount hasn't changed
since I last flew OS).

JB

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That reflects my own experience with the shipping companies almost exactly.
In fact, the way DHL carried on, almost struck me as a scam. They were
charging duty on behalf of Australian Customs (whether or not they would
have actually charged it). Then they were giving themselves a fee for having
charged it. I think I would rather go without, in preference to having any
dealings with them again. They managed to add over 100% to the price of the
goods shipped (without counting the cost of shipping). They were quite slow
too. Do not use them. Ever.

The US Postal Service International Airmail has worked very well for me.
Numerous items have been shipped in. None have gone astray, and all but one
have been very quick. That one slow item disappeared for about a month
before arriving at the front door. Australian Customs have opened a couple,
but all have been resealed and passed on without comment or charges. Max
value has been in the order of around $400.

JB


ops

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GB wrote:

> matt weber <matth...@cox.net> wrote in
> news:kop7mvo916eosgf7p...@4ax.com:


>
>>My attitude is that if the paper work is in order, and cusoms cannot
>>be bothered to charge the duty or tax, it isn't my problem, or my
>>obligation to pay them either.
>
>

> My impression has been that it is their attitude that there
> is no need to have an actual attitude about it. They have
> rules, they play by them, and there's nothing sneaky,
> random or otherwise lucky about it.
>
> Lots of punters, travelling or ordering online, seem to
> keep asking "How can I pull this off without paying tax,
> or 'getting caught'?". It's been my experience that the
> *best* way is to call Customs up and ask them!!! They're
> very helpfull people!
>
> I've had situations where I've gone through customs/immigration
> with significant amounts of goods declared, had the numbers
> tallied up, and the guy has said "I'm not required to collect
> that. On your way...".
>
> As you say, if the paperwork is in order... It's the dumb buggers
> that try to sneak under the radar that have all the issues!
>
> G

Exactly well put - and you get to keep the goods.

Last time I came back with quite a bit of stuff, declared with customs
was assessed and paid only 10% of the tax value - I was happy.

They don't go overboard and are extremely generous in allowances - you
have said "its the dumb bugger that tries to sneak in that have the issues."

rm

JB

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"ops" <martin@w'gong.apana.org.au> wrote in message
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> Last time I came back with quite a bit of stuff, declared with customs
> was assessed and paid only 10% of the tax value - I was happy.
>
> They don't go overboard and are extremely generous in allowances - you
> have said "its the dumb bugger that tries to sneak in that have the
issues."


That sums most of them up pretty well. Their behaviour does differ from city
to city though. Some can be pedantic (training areas?), whilst others can't
be helpful enough.

You still hit the occasional bloke who should be down on the docks
inspecting the bottoms of ships. Only fairly recently I saw one of these
'people' put his face about 2 inches from an elderly lady, and literally
yell at her, but in slow english. I guess the assumption is that when it's
in your face, spoken very loudly, and slowly, then it's a universal
translator. This moron managed to give just about everyone in the customs
hall the exact opposite to a 'welcome'.

JB


Petzl

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I travel internationally regularly and so far have found the best
customs are in Sydney. No hassles I declare what I have (sometimes
with food they need to check) but no hassles at all

If I did spot unfairness I would raise a formal concern and in customs
it's always all on video.

The last and only time I did this was in Narita where I demanded they
open another queue/checkout, as the only one opened had no end (they
did and pronto in fact 3) Other than that nothing to complain about

Brendan

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"GB" <g...@sonicresearch.mailme.org> wrote in message
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> Martin Taylor <mta...@austar-trash-net.com.au> wrote in
> news:3f630327.3e...@austar-trash-net.com.au:

> > What about import duty and GST that's payable on stuff that you bring
> > back with you, or that you have shipped to you? Does that still keep
> > the prices really low?
>
> Duty is an unknown quantity - I'm really not sure on that
> one. Since GST came around, I gather that lots of things
> don't actually have duty anymore, but I'm no expert. Don't
> quote me.

If you do some digging you can find most of the import tarrifs.

go to www.customs.gov.au , choose import/export from sidebar then +customs
tariff.
If you expand the Schedule 3 (may have to scroll down) you should be able to
find most stuff in PDF.

Relative to this thread - camera equipment has no duty payable, only GST.

I brought in a 420EX and a 28-105 USM lens which I ordered from B&H Photo in
New York. Came UPS so got charged the GST and the handling fee.

Prob would have got away with it if it had been sent USPS.


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