Was that JB driving the 747 that depressurised?
MikeZ
Marty
> Was that JB driving the Qantas 747 that depressurised?
It was /a/ JB, but I'm not sure if it was ours. The Captain's name was
John Francis Barters. There's a photo of the Captain here:
http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6164979,00.jpg
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MikeZ
"Marty" <bWFydHlAZmFrZS5jb20=@aviationusenet.com> wrote in message
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Well..they almost got his name right...... ;-)
BernieFlyer
Two 4 stripers? Maybe JB was the other one? Just kidding. Anyway JB
would have handled it with his eyes closed (other than in a wing down
crosswind eh JB?)
Jeremy
> > Was that JB driving the Qantas 747 that depressurised?
Marty wrote:
> It was /a/ JB, but I'm not sure if it was ours. The Captain's name was
> John Francis Barters. There's a photo of the Captain here:
They are indeed one and the same.
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BernieFlyer
>> MikeZ wrote:
>
>>> Was that JB driving the Qantas 747 that depressurised?
>
> Marty wrote:
>
>> It was /a/ JB, but I'm not sure if it was ours. The Captain's name was
>> John Francis Barters. There's a photo of the Captain here:
>
> They are indeed one and the same.
>
>
AA
Yes, the press got the name wrong!
Anyway well done to JB - not that he visits here anymore.
AA
Jeremy
> I understand that our JB is John Bartels? No?
It's definitely John Bartels in the photo. The media got it wrong.
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Pits
Bernie it certainly IS Our JB and still looking as fit as ever .
Bloody Orange Juice man -------- bet after that he had something
other than OJ :)
Glad he and all the others are OK . Think the other bloke is Richard
something or other
obviously been in a good paddock ( like this writer)
Rob.
They have to blame him for something! now Sandy has finished up.
r
Snapper
> They have to blame him for something! now Sandy has finished up.
SandyH has retired? I he still involved with the Super Conny?
As for JB, we should expect nothing less, huh?
And what say you, Ned?
Rob.
> Rob. wrote...
>
>
>>They have to blame him for something! now Sandy has finished up.
>
>
> SandyH has retired? I he still involved with the Super Conny?
>
> As for JB, we should expect nothing less, huh?
I believe there is also an ejection seat somewhere near Nimmatabel.
Qansett
Pete
stamping ground. He is enjoying retirement.
Pete
RMK
>> I understand that our JB is John Bartels? No?
> Yes he is, but he left this Newsgroup long ago.
There have been a few 'professionals' amongst the posters here in the past!
But unfortunately, despite their best efforts to provide accurate and
up-to-date
information to those interested, they were often howled down by the wannabes
and so called
'guardians' of the newsgroup!
Damn shame really! :(
John Ewing
"GB" <gb0...@kickindanuts.threefiddy.com> wrote in message
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> "RMK" <macf...@bigpond.com> wrote in
> news:488b1fe1$0$1027$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au:
>> There have been a few 'professionals' amongst the posters here
>> in the past! But unfortunately, despite their best efforts
>> to provide accurate and up-to-date information to those interested,
>> they were often howled down by the wannabes and so called
>> 'guardians' of the newsgroup!
>
> inaccurate as this to enter the annals unchallenged. While it
> is correct to say that shouting matches break out amongst the
> proletariat from time to time, it is an error to claim that
> this is the reason for the departure of a number of specific
> contributors.
>
> Some properly retired, some were drawn away by the increasing
> demands of promotion to Captaincy on new aircraft types, and
> many are still here, participating regularly.
>
> A personal discomfort with the ways of usenet should not, in
> my view, be ascribed to all and sundry without some direct
> evidence that said ascription is appropriate.
>
>
> GB
My thoughts also GB. I enjoyed JB's contributions but I suspect his leaving
this group was not due to sinister elements, but rather because of his other
commitments.
He did on occasions become a target from trolls - only because of his
undeniably extensive experience and knowledge.
I am sure we would all welcome - even if it is a once only contribution - a
personal account of the incident.
Failing that I guess there's still the possibility of a 60 Minutes
interview, a film or a Air Disaster episode! :)
Cheers,
John
Snapper
> Sandy was in Connie today doing practice landiings at Nowra, JB's old
> stamping ground. He is enjoying retirement.
Oh, OK. Sounds like he's having fun, then. He didn't spend long in the B744s,
then. I recall his postings not that long ago about conversion from the -300
series...
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But his passion is for that 3 engine type aircraft.
r
Stealth Pilot
I always thought he was close to or at retirement age. the bugger is a
year younger than me.
I love the hysteria around the incident.
the reality is that a depressurisation warning popped off in the
cockpit so they went into action with a standard response, then
diverted to the nearest suitable runway.
the pax were scared shitless but the pilots didnt know any of this.
it was only later that the pilots were aware of the majority of the
details.
I suppose he should just do the "discretion is the better part of
valour" bit and say nothing while enjoying the publicity ride.
I'm betting that the smiles you see in the photo are from the bonk of
his life on getting home. we can all see it as the man's confident
expertise shining through though :-)
good grief. you'd thing aviation was magic.
Stealth Pilot
Snapper
> > Oh, OK. Sounds like he's having fun, then. He didn't spend long in the
> > B744s, then. I recall his postings not that long ago about conversion
> > from the -300 series...
>
> Which were, when you think about it, the best part of ten years ago.
>
> Time flies, doesn't it!
Tell me about it..
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all run around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive
music.
nospam
Someone else reckons a few other things happened:
"You might not recall that my husband was ex-RAN A4. He now flies
747-400. He had the explosive decompression yesterday.
Fun day!
I can give your readers some facts that are solid:
No engines were shut down.
Aeroplane’s controls were unaffected.
Some computer functions and electrics were affected - all 3 ILS shut
down and the Capt’s FMC. Antiskid warning came on.
The R2 door alarm activated.
Capt inititated controlled descent from 29K to 10K, which took about 4
mins. Mayday was called (John never ever thought he would have to
declare a mayday in his entire career!)
After levelling off, fuel dump of 50 tons was commenced, and plane
landed afterwards normally, but used all available runway. Engine #3 was
shut down first, then 3 others after and plane was towed to terminal.
Passengers disembarked normally via aerobridge.
John praised crew and passengers, who all rose to the occasion."
AA
> Snapper <snap...@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in
> news:iqrn84hu7g13di2bc...@yarwho.com:
>>> Sandy was in Connie today doing practice landiings at Nowra, JB's old
>>> stamping ground. He is enjoying retirement.
>> Oh, OK. Sounds like he's having fun, then. He didn't spend long in the
>> B744s, then. I recall his postings not that long ago about conversion
>> from the -300 series...
>
>
> Time flies, doesn't it!
>
>
JB was captain on 767 until 2004, when he went to 744 as captain. He had
previously been copilot on 747 - not sure which model - probably 300.
AA
Graeme Hogan
"nospam" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Go easy.
Proud wife of loyal husband.
John B, is a good bloke.
David Z
news:g6c6k1$pqg$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>
>> Was that JB driving the Qantas 747 that depressurised?
>
>
> It was /a/ JB, but I'm not sure if it was ours. The Captain's name was
What do you mean by "our" JB?
veritas
Phil, to you know if he had a relative (the same surmane) that flew for TAA?
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veritas
> Two 4 stripers?
Pits
Don't know I shall ask next time I hear from him. But I don't think
so
If you are Talking about a Viscount chap that later went on to 727's
was battles I thought He was much older and must be deceased by now
as also
used to fly the DC3 from Broken Hill and once put down at Ivanhoe But
Capt Velvet wheels knew him well
Old Jack C :-) another I have not spoken to since been up here :(
I have some old pics that I can scan and send to you so we can
discover if it is the same guy .
Drop me a mail off ng some other stuff (medical) has popped up .
Pits
Sssssssssshhhhhhhhh noticed the same thing
Graeme Hogan
"David Z" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Capt John Bartels used to frequent this newsgroup and used JB as his
nickname.
And yes, he lives in Eltham.
Snapper
> Capt John Bartels used to frequent this newsgroup and used JB as his
> nickname.
> And yes, he lives in Eltham.
Just checked his joint out in Google Earth. It's HUGE. Nice looking
neighborhood, too.
Graeme Hogan
"Snapper" <snap...@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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Do you live anywhere near Ivanhoe (Vic)
Snapper
> Do you live anywhere near Ivanhoe (Vic)
Relative to say, someone who lives in Alaska, I'd have to say, "yes".
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Graeme Hogan
"Snapper" <snap...@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> Graeme Hogan wrote...
>
>> Do you live anywhere near Ivanhoe (Vic)
>
> Relative to say, someone who lives in Alaska, I'd have to say, "yes".
>
OK you live in Alaska.
Is it getting warmer there.
JB
>
>
> I believe there is also an ejection seat somewhere near Nimmatabel.
>
No, there isn't.
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RT
"JB" <nos...@usenet.fake> wrote in message news:g8i8dl$6g9$1...@aioe.org...
> Rob. wrote:
>>
>>
>> I believe there is also an ejection seat somewhere near Nimmatabel.
>>
>
> No, there isn't.
Welcome back :-)
Rob
> nos...@usenet.fake (JB) wrote in news:g8i8dl$6g9$1...@aioe.org:
>> No, there isn't.
>
> Well! Look what the cat dragged in! :-)
>
>
> GB
Some of the blanks might get filled in now :)
r
Ned
With a formal investigation on foot?
Sorry Rob, but I think not - and rightfully so!
Ned
Rob
I have to put smiley on the end, all the time, now.
Noted Qantas incidents were on the news again last night SBS. Dixon did
an interview with ABC which included safety, routine maintenance and
profit. (we still received a decent dividend tho).
Also the Tiger MD for Australia copped an interview, wouldn't say much,
but going along in accordance with their business plan, wouldn't talk
about the monetary cost, as its a private company, the interviewer was
bringing up how Singapore, who are a major partner were upset at the
time taken to turn around into the black. The MD said they are to
introduce 3 more aircraft this year.
Interesting to see if Tiger last the distance.
Ned
> Ned wrote:
>> Rob wrote:
>>> GB wrote:
>>>> nos...@usenet.fake (JB) wrote in news:g8i8dl$6g9$1...@aioe.org:
>>>>> No, there isn't.
>>>>
>>>> Well! Look what the cat dragged in! :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> GB
>>>
>>> Some of the blanks might get filled in now :)
>>>
>> Here?
>>
>> With a formal investigation on foot?
>>
>> Sorry Rob, but I think not - and rightfully so!
>>
>> Ned
>
> I have to put smiley on the end, all the time, now.
>
> Noted Qantas incidents were on the news again last night SBS. Dixon did
> an interview with ABC which included safety, routine maintenance and
> profit. (we still received a decent dividend tho).
>
For all his unpopularity, I admired Dixon's refreshing frankness - quote
"We do not step away from the fact that the incident on QF30 was very serious,..."
That leaves a few other posters on here looking very bare-arsed indeed.
Ned
Rob
> Rob wrote:
>> Ned wrote:
>>> Rob wrote:
>>>> GB wrote:
>>>>> nos...@usenet.fake (JB) wrote in news:g8i8dl$6g9$1...@aioe.org:
>>>>>> No, there isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well! Look what the cat dragged in! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> GB
>>>>
>>>> Some of the blanks might get filled in now :)
>>>>
>>> Here?
>>>
>>> With a formal investigation on foot?
>>>
>>> Sorry Rob, but I think not - and rightfully so!
>>>
>>> Ned
>>
>> I have to put smiley on the end, all the time, now.
>>
> OK Rob...here's one back in case I (unintentionally) offended you....:-)
>
No.
I did realise that there is an investigation underway and it would be
very unprofessional for anyone involved to be talking about the incident
before or after the report. Or for that matter, what the company actions
in the aftermath of that report. The only way we will know for certain
is when the ASTB report is released with the chronological sequence of
events and metallurgical investigation of the damage.
>> Noted Qantas incidents were on the news again last night SBS. Dixon
>> did an interview with ABC which included safety, routine maintenance
>> and profit. (we still received a decent dividend tho).
>>
> For all his unpopularity, I admired Dixon's refreshing frankness - quote
> "We do not step away from the fact that the incident on QF30 was very
> serious,..."
>
> That leaves a few other posters on here looking very bare-arsed indeed.
>
Dixon didn't try to step around anything.
r