Here we go again guys (and gals) as it's all about to change again.
see http://dvicosupport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=87#87
I just hope they nail all the compatibility and retro-fitting problems with
this new standard.
BTW I am having issues right now with HDMI 1.2 and 1.3b compatibility from
the same manufacturer! Sony should actually be one the ones have this nailed
by now.
Cheers TT
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
I've heard mention the next HD will be 2160 (1080x2) and 3D so x 2 again!
Probably why the article mentioned something about 4k.
Cheers TT
So to answer your question: no one here cares as we find it easier and
cheaper to carry around 1TB USB drives with the HD media on.
Cheers TT
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
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Hi John,
> No problems here with HDMI 1.3.
Yes problems with HDMI 1.2 talking to 1.3 here and all Sony gear :-( I
should mention the only piece of gear giving the least amount of trouble is
a Beyonwiz media centre and HDTV recorder but then it only does up to 1080i.
> Even the very cheap cables from Hong Kong
Had to replace a cheap 10m cable because it would only pass up to 1080i. A
high band width good quality cable fixed it.
> work great. It all comes down to buying good equipment i guess. I have
> Panasonic Blu ray Player, Marantz 2002 & 2003 pross & Sony Projector. DVD
> yuck, Blu ray Fantastic.
Yes, I am very pleased with Blu-ray as well. I am normally an early adopter
of this sort of gear but I am pleased I waited a while this time. My Sony
5200ES receiver (only HDMI1.2) has gotta go as it is the problem at the
moment.
Cheers Terry
You mean like some of my DVD-Rs have? And your BR-RE, which will probably
do the same. I have everything backed up on at least 2 drives. I have
nearly 7TB hanging off my main networked computer ;-)
> Then you have a major problem with say all those home movies that were on
> it.
Ditto with the burnt discs.
> Have been burning TDK discs now for over a month = 20 discs, no failures
> and glorious 1080p quality.
We will have to see how you are getting on in 5-10 years time with them?
;-)
> Discs are only $8.00 and well worth it.
When they get down to under A$2.00 I will be getting a burner.
Cheers Terry
Not so, adding a second back-up drive is still more convenient and less
expensive.
> Have been burning TDK discs now for over a month = 20 discs, no failures
and
> glorious 1080p quality.
> Discs are only $8.00 and well worth it.
But are they rewritable? (as with hard disks)
And lets see, $8 x 20 disks = $160 for ~500GB, still as much or more than
2x500GB hard drives unfortunately. And NO back-up if they get lost, damaged
or just aren't as reliable as you think.
The other big advantage of a hard drive is they are much quicker to copy
files than optical media. Far easier to back-up, far easier to store, far
easier to catalog and find files.
But as long as you're happy........ :-)
MrT.
And the burners will also be much cheaper by then. Eventually we will all
get one, just like DVDR/W's replaced CDR/W.
MrT.
Burnt data DVD's do fail, they also are a pain in the arse to burn
(take a long time and you have to keep changing discs, grouping files
to fit the available space per disc, a pain in the arse to search
through to find a particular item, too much on them in many cases to
label them with contents, and after that - they DO fail over time.
You might only get one error per 25 discs or so, but if that wipes out
an entire HD movie(s) or something even more important - then thats
the end of it.
Even if you went to the extreme of reburning them onto new discs every
few years to keep "fresh" copies for archival purposes, not taking
into account the cost, there is enormous amount of time and effort
involved. To transfer 1TB from one hard drive to another, takes a few
hours to do, but at least you can walk away and let it happen or do it
overnight, you dont have to stand there and change discs over every 10
min or so.
1 TB of DVD discs takes up a lot more physical space than a 1TB
drive. Unless you can fit your movies EXACTLY into 4.3 G parts (to
fit a disc) you are going to waste a lot of space over all the discs,
if you can only use on average (say) 3-4G of each disc for a group of
files.
Even with 25GB discs - they would still take up more room than a 1TB
hard drive, and all the
above problems still apply.
Go for the hard drive (with backup), its a lot less hassle.
Have seen 1TB SATA internal drives for around $125. At that price
you can buy 2 of them and make 2 copies of important data then lock
one away as a backup "just in case".
By this time next year 2Tb drives will probably be that price, by then
your collection will probably have grown to fill one ;)
Burnable discs do have their place, they are great if you want to burn
a few GB of files, to post or give to someone else.
Yea, like CDROM many years ago, and DVDR/W a few years ago. Would you still
pay a few hundred dollars for one of those?
As the price of disks drops, sales of burners will increase and their price
will drop. In a couple of years they will probably replace DVDR/W burners at
a similar price. Some time between now and then the price of burners *and*
disks will make them well worth having.
MrT.
Buy a SATA docking station (cheap on Ebay or at North Rocks) then you
can just plug a disk into make your backup, remove it to store it safely
using 2 disks alternately then you have a recent backup should one fail,
or even if there is some system problem like a virus.
John
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Computers with multiple copies of an operating system running at once,
wireless channelling?
> You are all talking about 1TB hard drives etc, How the hell am I to send
> friends in Japan or USA etc a high definition 1920 x 1080p a copy of the
> movies we took when were were visiting etc.
> Another thing, If I want to watch a particular home movie in our large
> screen theatre am I supposed to chug all the computer and bits in there. No
> , of course not, I can simply take my blu ray disc in and watch it
> immediately or send a copy to friends etc.
> Off course I keep a master copy on HD.
>
> John
>
Please read the end of my post
Quote:
"Burnable discs do have their place, they are great if you want to
burn
a few GB of files, to post or give to someone else. "
For your home theatre - most modern DVD (& blu-ray?) players have a
USB input, with this
you can use an EXTERNAL USB hard drive, (under $200 for 1TB) and play
your movies direct from that.
Saves the hassle if you are burning discs just to watch them a couple
of times.
> "KR" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
For your home theatre - most modern DVD (& blu-ray?) players
have a
USB input, with this
you can use an EXTERNAL USB hard drive, (under $200 for 1TB)
and play
your movies direct from that.
Saves the hassle if you are burning discs just to watch them
a couple
of times.
Or stream it over the network through your media server or
PS3. That even saves on moving any hardware at all ;-)
Far, far more convenient.
Cheers TT
Actually I started taliking about HDMI 1.4 ;-)
> How the hell am I to send
> friends in Japan or USA etc a high definition 1920 x 1080p
> a copy of the
> movies we took when were were visiting etc.
On a DVD-R as it is far more cost effective.
> Another thing, If I want to watch a particular home movie
> in our large
> screen theatre am I supposed to chug all the computer and
> bits in there. No
> , of course not, I can simply take my blu ray disc in and
> watch it
My media servers are networked so no need for that.
> immediately or send a copy to friends etc.
If you are talking about 1-2hrs of HD video then BR-RE is a
viable option.
> Off course I keep a master copy on HD.
Very wise. I also keep back up copies.
Cheers TT
That is the best idea for the situation - as long as you dont mind
buying the media server ;)
(not that they are that expensive now)
I have a Beyonwiz DP-S1
http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/DP_S1_overview.asp which will do
only up to 1080i but I am very impressed with my new
Playstation 3 as it will do 1080p and will play BR ripped
files. It also has a far better media player interface as
well. The trick is to get the right software to run on your
home server ;-) BTW I should point out that the PS3 shits
all over the Beyonwiz as far as speed of file loading as
well plus you can be searching for a file while still
playing the current file (unless it is video)
BTW I never, ever thought that I would end up with a network
hub as part of my hi-fi set up :-)) PS3, Beyonwiz, BR
player and laptop that i use as a music server because of a
hi-end sound card and good DAC. Plus the rest of the family
can access all the files wirelessly as well.
Cheers TT
I can see BluRay disks dropping to $1 long before ~25GB memory sticks drop
to that price however.
Personally I see a continuing market for hard drives, memory sticks *and*
optical media for some time yet.
Further down the track things may well change however.
MrT.
> Another thing, If I want to watch a particular home movie in our large
> screen theatre am I supposed to chug all the computer and bits in there.
> No
> , of course not, I can simply take my blu ray disc in and watch it
> immediately or send a copy to friends etc.
> Off course I keep a master copy on HD.
>
People still haven't got the idea of network media streamers have they?
You don't need Blu-Ray in this case.
If the file exists, stream it off to the TV using a cheap media streamer
i.e. a Mediagate, PS3 (not cheap), Xbox 360 etc etc - there's scores of them
out there.
I even saw a journalist reply to someone the other day, the question was
'How can I play the media files that are on my PC on my TV?"
The answer he gave ? "Get some long cables or lug the computer closer to the
TV"
good god ! - and this guy claimed to be a tech journalist !
D'grooter
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Cheers TT
Agreed, but now put a time frame on 25GB sticks dropping to $1?
Before blu-ray disks get there?
I doubt it!
And I won't hold my breathe for 1TB solid state drives to be cheaper than
magnetic Hard drives either. All will get bigger and cheaper for some time
before magnetic and optical media dies out completely IMO.
But you're still welcome to make your own choices in the mean time :-)
MrT.
they wont but I expect the organis drives to do so VERY quickly
> I doubt it!
> And I won't hold my breathe for 1TB solid state drives to be cheaper than
> magnetic Hard drives either. All will get bigger and cheaper for some time
> before magnetic and optical media dies out completely IMO.
>
> But you're still welcome to make your own choices in the mean time :-)
and yet again this arvo I bought another usb/1t drive for transporting
some movies
>
> MrT.
>
>
Flash/USB drives won't drop below a particular retail price level (eg:
$9.95), but over time you will just get more and more GB for that
price level, and proportionally more at higher price levels (say $30,
$50 $100 $200 etc.).
Magnetic hard drives now start at about 80G minimum typically, at
about $50 or so new. External ones are a bit more, and more still if
you want laptop external ones.
They are by far the cheapest form of media currently on the market (in
the really large sizes)
I doubt that there is currently a USB / flash drive of that size
available retail, and would hate to see the price tag if there
was ;). biggest I could find in a quick search is 16 GB USB for
$50
or $75 for 16GB CF which is cheaper than I thought it would be.
I have a Corsair 32 GB USB flash drive for $159 and there's a 64 GB
version for $329. I bought it at CX computing. See
http://tinyurl.com/ncf5ya
Cheers
And inside was a standard magnetic hard disk drive I bet. NOT a solid state
hard drive you claim "will become increasingly popular".
So how exactly does that contradict what I said?
MrT.
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64 GB USB and SD cards are available *IF* you really want to pay that much.
But as I said, as flash media falls in price/increases in capacity, so too
will magnetic hard drives and optical disks.
It will be a while yet before they become cheaper per GB. In the meantime
they serve different purposes and all types still sell well.
MrT.
Yep, 64 GB for the price of a 2TB hard drive. Worthwhile for a number of
selective purposes I guess. But not for general storage as yet.
MrT.
10 years?
Cheers TT
Don't forget that the walk to and from school was uphill, BOTH ways!!!!
I'm betting maybe a little sooner than that, but still a HELL of a lot
longer than for Blu-ray disks and hard drive space to hit that mark.
MrT.
Wow, you really think you have a 1TB solid state drive? How much did it
cost?
Or does "usb/1t" just mean something else, since it is an unclear, non
standard abbreviation.
Maybe you just mean a 1GB USB stick and your whole argument is specious?
MrT.
TT wrote:
> And to think in 1992 when I bought my first Acer 486
> computer for nearly $4,000 it was an SX33 with a huge 160MB
> HD (that died nearly straight away and was upgraded to
> 210MB) , extra 1MB of RAM to bring it up to 2MB and a 2x CD
> drive that held data discs of a massive 640MB!!!! 3 times
> the HD size. Ahhhh... them were the days ;-) And the
> processor speed was so poor that it had trouble playing Doom
> and using the chain gun! And I used to walk 20 miles to
> school in the ice and snow, "lived in shoe box in middle of
> road" and ....etc, etc :-)) :-))
Ewww a PC in 1992. There was a time when a computer's performance and
usability didn't come down to how fast your processor was, or how big
the hard disk. My PC friends were always envious of my Amiga, now those
were the days ;-).
Regards,
Ross..
I've still got an Amiga 2000. Equipped with a 68010 processor, fatter Agnus
chip, GVP SCSI controller and RAM board equipped with 3 Meg of RAM (yep you
read that right), Quantum 100MB HDD with both Kickstart V1.2 and 1.3 chips.
Modified with a couple of switches to switch between the two Kickstart ROMs
and also to disable the HDD detection as some older floppy based games
didn't run if the HDD was detected at boot-up. All running into an NEC
Multisync II monitor with external amp and speakers. In its day it was a
kick-arse machine, leaving the PC platform in the dust.
And that day has LOOOONG since passed. Some people also thought the MicroBee
was a kick ass machine in it's day, but not for long :-)
MrT.
Too true Mr.T, but we are talking a bloody long time ago.
I remember the days before pocket calculators, when you had to work things
out either in your head or on paper using tables and a slide rule. :P
Alan Rutlidge wrote:
> I've still got an Amiga 2000. Equipped with a 68010 processor, fatter Agnus
> chip, GVP SCSI controller and RAM board equipped with 3 Meg of RAM (yep you
> read that right), Quantum 100MB HDD with both Kickstart V1.2 and 1.3 chips.
> Modified with a couple of switches to switch between the two Kickstart ROMs
> and also to disable the HDD detection as some older floppy based games
> didn't run if the HDD was detected at boot-up. All running into an NEC
> Multisync II monitor with external amp and speakers. In its day it was a
> kick-arse machine, leaving the PC platform in the dust.
Nice to see that some people still remember and even own Amigas :-). I
only had a lowly stock A500 mysef, but I later acquired most of the
range (i.e when people didn't want them anymore) in an attempt to keep
using them and to contribute to the new "OS4".. Computers just aren't
fun anymore.. :-\
Regards,
Ross..
> Too true Mr.T, but we are talking a bloody long time ago.
> I remember the days before pocket calculators, when you had to work things
> out either in your head or on paper using tables and a slide rule. :P
Have you heard the one about the constipated mathematician. He worked it
out with a pencil. :-(
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