Whats Windows XP Worth
Rory
cheap prices come up, has anyone else come accross this....are they worth
buying.
Thank Yop
°°°D°A°°°
You need a powerful computer to use XP and overall the problems with all the
drivers for serial and USB for peripheral equipment I have, it was not worth
the problems.
I happily went back to WinMe which has never given me any problems.
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vfr750fv
your firmware, well I did and it still wasnt happy. Typical MS Shit
Thinking of something else though... Linux??
theres a gazillion Warez sites out there with XP on their FTP's try
www.elitehackers.com or www.thespp.com and the FTP sections.
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Matthew van de Werken
What's it worth, or what does it cost? Probably not a lot if you've already
got Win98 or Win2k (especially the latter). Why do you want to run XP? What
does XP offer over the alternatives? Why do you want to be a slave to the
MS marketing machine/licencing juggernaut?
Cheers,
MvdW
haz
hithch..mind you i always do clean installs and not upgrades to OS's as
such...XP is a great OS..very stable(unlike Win9x OS's), plays games just
fine and has heaps of usefull features. But ultimately you have to go for
whatever is gona support your hardware and commonly used software.
HaZ
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king...@ozemail.com.au
<doov...@thenottohotmail.com> took time out from the neverending quest to rid
the world of grues and wrote:
> NO.
> You need a powerful computer to use XP and overall the problems with all the
> drivers for serial and USB for peripheral equipment I have, it was not worth
> the problems.
> I happily went back to WinMe which has never given me any problems.
XP sucks!
It doesn't recognise an industry standard Adaptec 1542 SCSI card!
haz
doesnt have native drivers for it?? Like i said in my previous post, XP
recognised and installed all of my hardware and even stuff that didnt have
XP support..i am highly impressed by it...one of MS's better efforts i think
HaZ
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Edward Ozgo
Cut the crap out about linux. The os is bloody shit!!!!!!!!!
If you think XP is fussy then what the hell is Linux????????
You have to devote half your life to get it running.
Oldus Fartus
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Yes, I heard those horror stories too Edward, but I took the plunge this
week and installed Red Hat on an old homebuilt Celeron 433, 256 Meg RAM, old
ISA V90 modem,6 gig hard drive, etc etc. A real old mongrel of a machine.
The whole thing took around 20 minutes from start to finish and the only
thing I never got going was the sound card and the networking to my other
computers. As I get time over the next few weeks I am sure those problems
will be solved.
The next project will be a XP machine..... No, I am not a masochist, just
semi retired but averaging about a half a dozen service jobs a week with
more and more of them having XP and to a lesser extent Linux. If I can't
teach myself the operating systems I will not be much use to my customers.
Cheers
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Sum Guy
like W2K.
The changes aren't in your face, then - but I do like the underlying
improvements. It's very stable, slightly faster, and most definitiely is
worth installing, IMHO. I have it installed on two computers and it runs
very quickly even on a PII/266 with 128MB RAM. This is hardly a "powerful
computer" by today's standards, so the statement below should be taken with
a grain of salt. I've had NO problems with drivers - I did an install over
the top of W2K in both machines, and everything still works. ATI TV card,
scanner, printer, network, modem, digital cam, you name it. I think M$ did
an excellent job on this one.
Yes, the new UI is horrible, but that's not the OS. It's dead simple to
change back to what you know and love.
Cheers
A
-
Andrew Davie - ada...@2headed.com
TwoHeaded Software - www.2headed.com
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Dellwood
with a totally different OS, no matter what it is, you find it akward to
use, but once you've had a bit of a fiddle with it, you get used to it, just
like any other OS.
I found that it didn't like some hardware in my box particularly the video
card being a strange s3 virge (the video card is the strange part, not the
fact it's an s3 virge..) I originally had to use a different driver for the
x windows system, but once i figured out the right settings everything went
fine. Now that original machine is gone (after several upgrades and installs
from new HDDs etc.) I'm still running linux on it no probs. Well, I had to
reinstall it once when i swapped over a hard disk, but apart from that
everything runs smoothely from install, all i had to do was to setup my
customised scripts and that's all.
As for fussy, it's got support for all the video cards at the time of the x
windows version release that you've installed, it supports all the usual
modem standards (not that i've used a modem with it..) and as far as I know,
getting any hardware to work on it is only as far as a kernel compile away
when you've got the right drivers (usually available from the 'net or with
linux, but not enabled or something..)
Once you're used to it, it's just as easy to use as anything microsoft or
anyone else can make.
But then there's the whole cost/benefit factor.. but that's another matter.
-Alex
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Jamison Nicholls
to speed up my internet connect a bit. So I'm happy with that.
You went back to ME? I reckon ME stands for More Errors. After putting up
with ME, I went back to WIN98SE - The best OE
Cheers
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Dellwood <atd...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> Linux is as hard to get used to as anything else. When you first start off
> with a totally different OS, no matter what it is, you find it akward to
> use, but once you've had a bit of a fiddle with it, you get used to it,
just
> like any other OS.
What a great Os!!!
If you had to pay for it , it`d be in every home now
atec77(nospam)
has been around before winblows and will prolly be about and in major
use well after .. its not hard really just means you need to use a
couple of dos like commands until the pretty gui is installed.
Oldus Fartus
Linux installed and runs on "old adorable" (aka Mongrel Machine). The only
thing not recognized was the SB16 card but that is not a problem at all and
I am sure once I can get the time to get back to the old girl, I will get
that, and the networking setup.
Incidentally, I loved the speed of it, and although I was able to crash a
couple of applications, the OS just kept on running without missing a beat.
Very early days yet, but so far it is scoring very well.
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Rod Speed
Dellwood <atd...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> Linux is as hard to get used to as anything else. When
> you first start off with a totally different OS, no matter what
> it is, you find it akward to use, but once you've had a bit of
> a fiddle with it, you get used to it, just like any other OS.
They aint all as easy as each other to get used to tho.
> I found that it didn't like some hardware in my box particularly the video card
> being a strange s3 virge (the video card is the strange part, not the fact it's
> an s3 virge..) I originally had to use a different driver for the x windows
> system, but once i figured out the right settings everything went fine.
And quite a few arent capable of doing that sort of thing.
> Now that original machine is gone (after several upgrades and
> installs from new HDDs etc.) I'm still running linux on it no probs.
Irrelevant to systems where it has taken quite a bit of time to get to that.
> Well, I had to reinstall it once when i swapped over a hard disk,
> but apart from that everything runs smoothely from install, all i
> had to do was to setup my customised scripts and that's all.
And most dont want to fart around like that.
> As for fussy, it's got support for all the video cards at the time of
> the x windows version release that you've installed, it supports all
> the usual modem standards (not that i've used a modem with it..)
> and as far as I know, getting any hardware to work on it is only as
> far as a kernel compile away when you've got the right drivers (usually
> available from the 'net or with linux, but not enabled or something..)
You're just plain wrong on that with less than mainstream hardware.
> Once you're used to it, it's just as easy to use
> as anything microsoft or anyone else can make.
Bullshit.
> But then there's the whole cost/benefit factor..
Not for most who dont bother to pay for the MS product.
> but that's another matter.
Nope.
More below.
> Oldus Fartus <denisNO...@iinet.net.au> wrote
>> Edward Ozgo <eo...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote
>>> Rory <Ror...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> DId a search for XP on www.ebay.com.au and www.sold.com.au and heaps of
>>>> cheap prices come up, has anyone else come accross this....are they worth buying.
>>> Cut the crap out about linux. The os is bloody shit!!!!!!!!!
>>> If you think XP is fussy then what the hell is Linux????????
>>> You have to devote half your life to get it running.
>> Yes, I heard those horror stories too Edward,
It does happen, even with those who do know quite a bit.
>> but I took the plunge this week and installed Red Hat on an
>> old homebuilt Celeron 433, 256 Meg RAM, old ISA V90 modem,
>> 6 gig hard drive, etc etc. A real old mongrel of a machine.
Dunno, its a pretty bog standard machine basically. It'd be surprising
if something as bog standard as that was a major problem.
>> The whole thing took around 20 minutes from start to finish and the only thing
>> I never got going was the sound card and the networking to my other computers.
And with a machine like that, you'd likely have got ALL that done
in 20 mins with Win9x. Ed is overstating it, but it generally does
take longer with Linux. Even when you know what you are doing.
>> As I get time over the next few weeks I am sure those problems will be solved.
Sure, but he just said it takes more time. It does. In spades with unusual hardware.
>> The next project will be a XP machine..... No, I am not a masochist, just
>> semi retired but averaging about a half a dozen service jobs a week with
>> more and more of them having XP and to a lesser extent Linux. If I can't
>> teach myself the operating systems I will not be much use to my customers.
Sure, but thats a separate issue to what most use OS wise on their personal machine.
Rod Speed
colin <colm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dellwood <atd...@optushome.com.au> wrote
>> Linux is as hard to get used to as anything else. When you
>> first start off with a totally different OS, no matter what it is,
>> you find it akward to use, but once you've had a bit of a fiddle
>> with it, you get used to it, just like any other OS.
> What a great Os!!!
> If you had to pay for it , it`d be in every home now
Nope, the mainstream app support is pathetic.
Its got its place, but that aint the mass market desktop systems.
Matthew van de Werken
Of course, you've tried Mandrake or SuSE?
Of course, Linux doesn't send any details off your hard drive to Redmond...
Of course, the people who made Linux aren't into dodgy business practices...
Cheers,
MvdW
vfr750fv
Im runnin ME at the moment, have for 3 mths, have no problems. ran SE for 3
yrs no problems... Ran XP (eXtra Profit)... and hated it
NT(No Thanks) is still run by the majority of companies out there.....
Others like 2k Better.... to each their own
vfr750fv
We installed it at a mates place and his took HOURS to get running, but if
we had read things properly from the start it would have worked.
Remember RTFM!(help in this case!)
Matthew van de Werken
>
> Dellwood <atd...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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>
>> Linux is as hard to get used to as anything else. When
>> you first start off with a totally different OS, no matter what
>> it is, you find it akward to use, but once you've had a bit of
>> a fiddle with it, you get used to it, just like any other OS.
>
> They aint all as easy as each other to get used to tho.
Bullshit. Linux is easier than Windows to do anything other than what
Microsoft says you should do. The hardest software to use, I have found, is
Outlook 2000. No, I am not joking. It's so fscking opaque. It's fine if you
want to just read email, but if you want to do something a bit out of the
ordinary, it's hidden from you. Everything Microsoft lately is "dumbed
down" to the lowest common denominator. FFS, if you want to use the
computer, take the time to learn how!
>
>> I found that it didn't like some hardware in my box particularly the
>> video card being a strange s3 virge (the video card is the strange part,
>> not the fact it's an s3 virge..) I originally had to use a different
>> driver for the x windows system, but once i figured out the right
>> settings everything went fine.
>
> And quite a few arent capable of doing that sort of thing.
That's right, and those people also shouldn't be installing a Windows
system. You seem to be confusing setting up a windows system with using a
windows system...
>
>> Now that original machine is gone (after several upgrades and
>> installs from new HDDs etc.) I'm still running linux on it no probs.
>
> Irrelevant to systems where it has taken quite a bit of time to get to
> that.
Irrelevent to Windows, which should be reinstalled regularly to overcome
"Windows senility".
>
>> Well, I had to reinstall it once when i swapped over a hard disk,
>> but apart from that everything runs smoothely from install, all i
>> had to do was to setup my customised scripts and that's all.
>
> And most dont want to fart around like that.
...So when you reinstall windows you don't reinstall and reconfigure any of
your apps?? Most don't want to fart around like that...
>
>> As for fussy, it's got support for all the video cards at the time of
>> the x windows version release that you've installed, it supports all
>> the usual modem standards (not that i've used a modem with it..)
>> and as far as I know, getting any hardware to work on it is only as
>> far as a kernel compile away when you've got the right drivers (usually
>> available from the 'net or with linux, but not enabled or something..)
>
> You're just plain wrong on that with less than mainstream hardware.
No, *you're* just plain wrong. When was the last time you looked at the
hardware compatibility list? Linux has support for more hardware than XP,
even if most of that supported hardware is old. For example, try finding
drivers for a qlogic FAST!SCSI ISA card. Try finding drivers to run an ATI
RAGE PRO and a Cirrus Logic 4MB PCI video card at the same time (hint: you
can't do it under windows, but Linux is quite happy).
>
>> Once you're used to it, it's just as easy to use
>> as anything microsoft or anyone else can make.
>
> Bullshit.
No, you're wrong. Take any computer neophyte, plonk them in front of a
Mandrake desktop, and teach them. They'll be up to speed just as fast as if
they were sat in front of XP for the first time, probably faster because
they wouldn't be waiting all the time for those pretty animations to
finish...
>
>> But then there's the whole cost/benefit factor..
>
> Not for most who dont bother to pay for the MS product.
Well, there you go then. I find it hard to believe that you would have
written this.
>
>> but that's another matter.
>
> Nope.
>
> More below.
>
>
>> Oldus Fartus <denisNO...@iinet.net.au> wrote
>>> Edward Ozgo <eo...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote
>>>> Rory <Ror...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> DId a search for XP on www.ebay.com.au and www.sold.com.au and heaps
>>>>> of cheap prices come up, has anyone else come accross this....are they
>>>>> worth buying.
>
>>>> Cut the crap out about linux. The os is bloody shit!!!!!!!!!
>>>> If you think XP is fussy then what the hell is Linux????????
>>>> You have to devote half your life to get it running.
>
>>> Yes, I heard those horror stories too Edward,
>
> It does happen, even with those who do know quite a bit.
Obviously you "know quite a bit" about windows, not about computers.
>
>>> but I took the plunge this week and installed Red Hat on an
>>> old homebuilt Celeron 433, 256 Meg RAM, old ISA V90 modem,
>>> 6 gig hard drive, etc etc. A real old mongrel of a machine.
>
> Dunno, its a pretty bog standard machine basically. It'd be surprising
> if something as bog standard as that was a major problem.
>
>>> The whole thing took around 20 minutes from start to finish and the only
>>> thing I never got going was the sound card and the networking to my
>>> other computers.
>
> And with a machine like that, you'd likely have got ALL that done
> in 20 mins with Win9x. Ed is overstating it, but it generally does
> take longer with Linux. Even when you know what you are doing.
>
ROFL. How many times do you have to reboot when installing Windows? 3,
maybe 4 times? Each time, you have to configure something else, reboot,
wait... Change IPs? Reboot. Change Computer name? Reboot.
You can't even change a primary domain controller's name after
installation!! You have to reinstall!!
>>> As I get time over the next few weeks I am sure those problems will be
>>> solved.
>
> Sure, but he just said it takes more time. It does. In spades with unusual
> hardware.
...The same unusual hardware that you can't even get going under Windows!
>
>>> The next project will be a XP machine..... No, I am not a masochist,
>>> just semi retired but averaging about a half a dozen service jobs a week
>>> with
>>> more and more of them having XP and to a lesser extent Linux. If I
>>> can't teach myself the operating systems I will not be much use to my
>>> customers.
>
> Sure, but thats a separate issue to what most use OS wise on their
> personal machine.
You're confusing corporate/small business machines with personal machines
of enthusiasts. Sure, Linux isn't for everybody, but for those who want to
learn how to do something different, or in a business with someone willing
to provide a little support, it can be a much better option.
Cheers,
MvdW
vfr750fv
> > as anything microsoft or anyone else can make.
>
> Bullshit.
Bullshit your bullshit. Same as anything, if you were used to Linux and
Windows just hit the streets, you would be the same, its what your used to.
3 mths with Linux and you would have no problems. IF THAT. adn remember Mr
and mrs Average who know nothing about computers, dont know how to install
anything etc it would make no difference to them.
> > But then there's the whole cost/benefit factor..
>
> Not for most who dont bother to pay for the MS product.
Company I worked for in Melbourne replaced ALL SCO boxes with Linux,. saved
them 10's of 1000's a yr... They also run a live website for finance
applications.
> >> Yes, I heard those horror stories too Edward,
>
> It does happen, even with those who do know quite a bit.
Happens with Windows too.
> >> but I took the plunge this week and installed Red Hat on an
> >> old homebuilt Celeron 433, 256 Meg RAM, old ISA V90 modem,
> >> 6 gig hard drive, etc etc. A real old mongrel of a machine.
>
> Dunno, its a pretty bog standard machine basically. It'd be surprising
> if something as bog standard as that was a major problem.
Depends on whats hanging off it.
> >> The whole thing took around 20 minutes from start to finish and the
only thing
> >> I never got going was the sound card and the networking to my other
computers.
>
> And with a machine like that, you'd likely have got ALL that done
> in 20 mins with Win9x. Ed is overstating it, but it generally does
> take longer with Linux. Even when you know what you are doing.
Crap. The guy setting up the servers at work was doing 3 a day EASILY... Inc
all other apps, and testing.
> >> As I get time over the next few weeks I am sure those problems will be
solved.
>
> Sure, but he just said it takes more time. It does. In spades with unusual
hardware.
Theres a squillion forums like for WINx that would have the answers for
you..
>> The next project will be a XP machine..... No, I am not a masochist,
just
>> semi retired but averaging about a half a dozen service jobs a week with
>> more and more of them having XP and to a lesser extent Linux. If I
can't
>> teach myself the operating systems I will not be much use to my
customers.
>
> Sure, but thats a separate issue to what most use OS wise on their
personal machine.
Yes, but MS comes std on everything but Apples. Reason??? Marketing. Simple.
Alienjones
Where did you get that idea?
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and in a lot of cases is slower than 98se. I would be interested as to why
you hated XP. If you turn on
the classic UI, it looks and feels like ME without the stability problems,
and benchmarks faster than it. Horses for courses I guess.
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Rod Speed
>>> Once you're used to it, it's just as easy to use
>>> as anything microsoft or anyone else can make.
>> Bullshit.
> Bullshit your bullshit.
Pathetic really.
> Same as anything, if you were used to Linux and Windows just
> hit the streets, you would be the same, its what your used to.
Bullshit.
> 3 mths with Linux and you would have no problems. IF THAT.
It wouldnt take me 3 months, child. Plenty of desktop users are pretty
hopeless with the Win OSs and they'll never get very far with Linux.
> adn remember Mr and mrs Average who know nothing about computers,
> dont know how to install anything etc it would make no difference to them.
Bullshit.
>>> But then there's the whole cost/benefit factor..
>> Not for most who dont bother to pay for the MS product.
> Company I worked for in Melbourne replaced ALL SCO boxes with Linux,. saved
> them 10's of 1000's a yr... They also run a live website for finance applications.
Completely and utterly irrelevant to the average desktop user who
doesnt bother to pay Gates a cent and who wont save a cent changing.
>>>> Yes, I heard those horror stories too Edward,
>> It does happen, even with those who do know quite a bit.
> Happens with Windows too.
Only rarely in comparison.
>>>> but I took the plunge this week and installed Red Hat on an
>>>> old homebuilt Celeron 433, 256 Meg RAM, old ISA V90 modem,
>>>> 6 gig hard drive, etc etc. A real old mongrel of a machine.
>> Dunno, its a pretty bog standard machine basically. It'd be surprising
>> if something as bog standard as that was a major problem.
> Depends on whats hanging off it.
Nope, not with what he listed and that machine's use.
>>>> The whole thing took around 20 minutes from start to finish and the only thing
>>>> I never got going was the sound card and the networking to my other computers.
>> And with a machine like that, you'd likely have got ALL that done
>> in 20 mins with Win9x. Ed is overstating it, but it generally does
>> take longer with Linux. Even when you know what you are doing.
> Crap.
Fraid not. Anyone with a clue and install Win on a system like that. As
easy as falling off a fucking log. And have all that stuff working immediately.
> The guy setting up the servers at work was doing
> 3 a day EASILY... Inc all other apps, and testing.
Completely irrelevant to what was being discussed there.
>>>> As I get time over the next few weeks
>>>> I am sure those problems will be solved.
>> Sure, but he just said it takes more time.
>> It does. In spades with unusual hardware.
> Theres a squillion forums like for WINx
> that would have the answers for you..
You dont need them with a Win install on that machine.
> >> The next project will be a XP machine..... No, I am not a masochist, just
> >> semi retired but averaging about a half a dozen service jobs a week with
> >> more and more of them having XP and to a lesser extent Linux. If I can't
> >> teach myself the operating systems I will not be much use to my customers.
>> Sure, but thats a separate issue to what most use OS wise on their personal machine.
> Yes, but MS comes std on everything but Apples. Reason??? Marketing. Simple.
Reason, thats what those who buy them want. Simple.
Rod Speed
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> ME Benchmarks slower than 98se,
Bullshit.
> doesn't offer anything extra in stability
More bullshit.
> and in a lot of cases is slower than 98se.
More bullshit.
> I would be interested as to why you hated XP. If you turn on the
> classic UI, it looks and feels like ME without the stability problems,
> and benchmarks faster than it. Horses for courses I guess.
In that case it would be horseshit.
> vfr750fv <fu_...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Amazing how everyone has a different opinion..
Nothing amazing about that. Happens with everything, stupid.
Trevor S
Not so. I had never touched Linux in my life. I took the plunge three
months ago and installed it, it isntalled fine, I could connect to the net
etc. If I was running a standalone machine I would have left it installed
and hapily used. Unfortunatley I wanted it as a fileserver and could not
get Samba to work nor could I get it to packet share the internet
connection. I will revist it when I have more time to try and get them
working (obviously something I am doing worng) . My sum total exposure to
Linux was 2 hours and I was impressed. I have been using Windows in various
flavours since W3.1 and not liking it since then. Every other OS I choose
does not have the app support I want :( eg OS/2, which wa a very good OS
IMO. :)
I could survive with the apps under Linux for nearly everything.
I run W2KPro now on my small home office of 3 x PCs and 1 x Notebook,
although miles in front of W98SE in stability terms I still mange to crash
the OS with monotonous regularity :) I personally woudl not go XP but
others seem happy with it and made a conscious decison not to when recently
upgrading I went with W2K.
Trevor S
Bob Long
> news:3c7g3uk9gldon2ma6...@4ax.com...
> : 'Twas a dark and stormy night on Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:50 +1100 as
> "°°°D°A°°°"
> : <doov...@thenottohotmail.com> took time out from the neverending quest
to
> rid
> : the world of grues and wrote:
[snip]
> : XP sucks!
> :
> : It doesn't recognise an industry standard Adaptec 1542 SCSI card!
"Alienjones" <ju...@the.group> wrote in message
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>
> 1542's are not Industry standard.
> Where did you get that idea?
Anyway, XP lists Adaptec 154X SCSI cards in its device driver list.
Bob Long
vfr750fv
vfr750fv
> > hit the streets, you would be the same, its what your used to.
>
> Bullshit.
> > 3 mths with Linux and you would have no problems. IF THAT.
>
> It wouldnt take me 3 months, child. Plenty of desktop users are pretty
> hopeless with the Win OSs and they'll never get very far with Linux.
they would get just as far as Winderz
> > adn remember Mr and mrs Average who know nothing about computers,
> > dont know how to install anything etc it would make no difference to
them.
>
> Bullshit.
Explain why not.....
> >>> But then there's the whole cost/benefit factor..
>
> >> Not for most who dont bother to pay for the MS product.
>
> > Company I worked for in Melbourne replaced ALL SCO boxes with Linux,.
saved
> > them 10's of 1000's a yr... They also run a live website for finance
applications.
>
> Completely and utterly irrelevant to the average desktop user who doesnt
bother to pay Gates a cent and who wont save a cent changing.
Its showing that its not the shit little pissant OS that people think it is.
> >>>> Yes, I heard those horror stories too Edward,
>
> >> It does happen, even with those who do know quite a bit.
>
> > Happens with Windows too.
>
> Only rarely in comparison.
But thanks for agreeing, it happens.... And windows Bluescreen?? A daily
event...
> >>>> The whole thing took around 20 minutes from start to finish and the
only thing
> >>>> I never got going was the sound card and the networking to my other
computers.
>
> >> And with a machine like that, you'd likely have got ALL that done
> >> in 20 mins with Win9x. Ed is overstating it, but it generally does
> >> take longer with Linux. Even when you know what you are doing.
>
> > Crap.
>
> Fraid not. Anyone with a clue and install Win on a system like that. As
> easy as falling off a fucking log. And have all that stuff working
immediately.
Oh yes WINDERZ is easy, I was referring to installing Linux taking ages to
install. Takes less than windows.
> > The guy setting up the servers at work was doing
> > 3 a day EASILY... Inc all other apps, and testing.
>
> Completely irrelevant to what was being discussed there.
Everything that points you out as wrong is irrelevant to you....??? Provign
that it doesnt take ages to install like you think...
> >>>> As I get time over the next few weeks
> >>>> I am sure those problems will be solved.
>
> >> Sure, but he just said it takes more time.
> >> It does. In spades with unusual hardware.
>
> > Theres a squillion forums like for WINx
> > that would have the answers for you..
>
> You dont need them with a Win install on that machine.
Oh yea every windows installation goes off without a hitch... Never ANY
problems... Every driver on the planet comes with Windows like Linux...
ROTF... like IBM Netfinitys and NT4... Oh yea without a hitch.
> > >> The next project will be a XP machine..... No, I am not a masochist,
just
> > >> semi retired but averaging about a half a dozen service jobs a week
with
> > >> more and more of them having XP and to a lesser extent Linux. If I
can't
> > >> teach myself the operating systems I will not be much use to my
customers.
>
> >> Sure, but thats a separate issue to what most use OS wise on their
personal machine.
>
> > Yes, but MS comes std on everything but Apples. Reason??? Marketing.
Simple.
>
> Reason, thats what those who buy them want. Simple.
Horse shit....its marketing. 99% of people out there would never have heard
of Linux....
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going against the combined wisdom of multiple web sites and multiple reviews
of win98se vs me, winxp vs 2000, 2000vs xp vs me...
I challenge you to show how my comments were bullshit, or if you can't just
shut up.
"Rod Speed" <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Matthew van de Werken
"Trevor S" <trev...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Depending on what apps you use, and you rusage patterns thereof, there may
be Linux alternatives.
A small hint: if all you want is a server (dedicated, to run the internet,
share files and printer etc), take a look into e-smith.
http://www.e-smith.org or http://www.e-smith.com . I installed one for the
first time last week, very very simple to setup and administer (all web
based once initial setup is done).
Cheers,
MvdW
Matthew van de Werken
>
> colin <colm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3c385fa0$0$26315$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > Dellwood <atd...@optushome.com.au> wrote
>
> >> Linux is as hard to get used to as anything else. When you
> >> first start off with a totally different OS, no matter what it is,
> >> you find it akward to use, but once you've had a bit of a fiddle
> >> with it, you get used to it, just like any other OS.
>
> > What a great Os!!!
> > If you had to pay for it , it`d be in every home now
>
> Nope, the mainstream app support is pathetic.
Pathetic?? What "mainstream app" particularly are you interested in?? Have
you actually *looked* for equivalent apps to what you use under Windows??
No, you will not find the apps in the shops, but you will find them on the
net (legitimately, too...)
>
> Its got its place, but that aint the mass market desktop systems.
Says you. Have you actually tried it recently?? Thought not...
Cheers,
MvdW
Rod Speed
> Now rod, while I agree with a lot of what you said in the past, you're
> now going against the combined wisdom of multiple web sites and
> multiple reviews of win98se vs me, winxp vs 2000, 2000vs xp vs me...
More bullshit.
> I challenge you to show how my comments were bullshit,
YOU made those claims, child. YOU get to do the substantiation
of those claims YOU made. THATS how it works.
> or if you can't just shut up.
Silly little pathetic excuses for bullshit artist children like
you get no say what so ever on anything at all, ever.
> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Greg Thiedecke <soft...@ozemail.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed
>>> Same as anything, if you were used to Linux and Windows just
>>> hit the streets, you would be the same, its what your used to.
>> Bullshit.
> Go ahead explain why not.
Its just plain wrong. Thats why not.
>>> 3 mths with Linux and you would have no problems. IF THAT.
>> It wouldnt take me 3 months, child. Plenty of desktop users are pretty
>> hopeless with the Win OSs and they'll never get very far with Linux.
> they would get just as far as Winderz
Bullshit.
>>> adn remember Mr and mrs Average who know nothing about computers,
>>> dont know how to install anything etc it would make no difference to them.
>> Bullshit.
> Explain why not.....
Its just plain wrong. Thats why not.
>>>>> But then there's the whole cost/benefit factor..
>>>> Not for most who dont bother to pay for the MS product.
>>> Company I worked for in Melbourne replaced ALL SCO boxes with Linux,. saved
>>> them 10's of 1000's a yr... They also run a live website for finance applications.
>> Completely and utterly irrelevant to the average desktop user who doesnt
>> bother to pay Gates a cent and who wont save a cent changing.
> Its showing that its not the shit little pissant OS that people think it is.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
Do you even know what a straw man is, child ?
>>>>>> Yes, I heard those horror stories too Edward,
>>>> It does happen, even with those who do know quite a bit.
>>> Happens with Windows too.
>> Only rarely in comparison.
> But thanks for agreeing, it happens....
Taint relevant. What matters is how often it happens with each.
> And windows Bluescreen?? A daily event...
Complete pack of mindless bigot lies.
>>>>>> The whole thing took around 20 minutes from start to finish and the only thing
>>>>>> I never got going was the sound card and the networking to my other computers.
>>>> And with a machine like that, you'd likely have got ALL that done
>>>> in 20 mins with Win9x. Ed is overstating it, but it generally does
>>>> take longer with Linux. Even when you know what you are doing.
>>> Crap.
>> Fraid not. Anyone with a clue and install Win on a system like that. As
>> easy as falling off a fucking log. And have all that stuff working immediately.
> Oh yes WINDERZ is easy, I was referring to installing Linux
> taking ages to install. Takes less than windows.
Pigs arse it does on a system/config it hasnt been installed on before.
>>> The guy setting up the servers at work was doing
>>> 3 a day EASILY... Inc all other apps, and testing.
>> Completely irrelevant to what was being discussed there.
> Everything that points you out as wrong is irrelevant to you....???
Wrong. As always.
> Provign that it doesnt take ages to install like you think...
I never said it takes 'ages' to instal, child. Someone else did.
>>>>>> As I get time over the next few weeks
>>>>>> I am sure those problems will be solved.
>>>> Sure, but he just said it takes more time.
>>>> It does. In spades with unusual hardware.
>>> Theres a squillion forums like for WINx
>>> that would have the answers for you..
>> You dont need them with a Win install on that machine.
> Oh yea every windows installation goes off without a hitch...
There you go, mindlessly thrashing yet another straw man.
> Never ANY problems... Every driver on the planet comes with Windows
> like Linux... ROTF... like IBM Netfinitys and NT4... Oh yea without a hitch.
Wota silly little fucking wanker.
>>>>> The next project will be a XP machine..... No, I am not a masochist, just
>>>>> semi retired but averaging about a half a dozen service jobs a week with
>>>>> more and more of them having XP and to a lesser extent Linux. If I can't
>>>>> teach myself the operating systems I will not be much use to my customers.
>>>> Sure, but thats a separate issue to what most use OS wise on their personal machine.
>>> Yes, but MS comes std on everything but Apples. Reason??? Marketing. Simple.
> > Reason, thats what those who buy them want. Simple.
> Horse shit....its marketing.
Pathetic really.
> 99% of people out there would never have heard of Linux....
And they wouldnt use it even if they had heard of it,
because it wont run what they want to run, fuckwit.
vfr750fv
>
> Its just plain wrong. Thats why not.
Bullshit.
> > they would get just as far as Winderz
>
> Bullshit.
Why... how about explaining yourself occasionally instead of just the F12
key?
> >> Bullshit.
>
> > Explain why not.....
>
> Its just plain wrong. Thats why not.
See above. You can never back up your statements.
> > Its showing that its not the shit little pissant OS that people think it
is.
>
> Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
aaahhhhh.... now your coming thru... someone who has been told something by
someone and believes its gospel.... ROTF..
> Do you even know what a straw man is, child ?
Thankfully not... its something in your mind....
> >> Only rarely in comparison.
>
> > But thanks for agreeing, it happens....
>
> Taint relevant. What matters is how often it happens with each.
Tis relevant.... Yes.. Windows shits itself 90% more often than Linux or
Unix... Thems the facts. WINDOWS RARELY Crashes????? What drugs are you on?
Speed and what else?
> > And windows Bluescreen?? A daily event...
>
> Complete pack of mindless bigot lies.
Ummmm.... not at all. You think Im a Linux person??? no actually never
played with it, BUT have been there while mates have installed it, and
people at work, and been to network games nights playing Starcraft all on
Linux Boxes. Not one of them crashed.... Sorry Bill Gates alias Rod Speed...
Remember the WINDOWS 98 Release??? IT BLUE SCREENED INFRONT OF THE WORLD!
If Linux wasnt stable would companies be changing from SCO to Linux????
...... Think about it.
> >> Completely irrelevant to what was being discussed there.
>
> > Everything that points you out as wrong is irrelevant to you....???
>
> Wrong. As always.
Sorry either irrelevant or Bullshit.. I apologise.
> I never said it takes 'ages' to instal, child. Someone else did.
No you did.. sorry...
> > Oh yea every windows installation goes off without a hitch...
>
> There you go, mindlessly thrashing yet another straw man.
There you go mindlessly thrashing yet another straw man.
> Wota silly little fucking wanker.
Bullshit There you go mindlessly thrashing yet another straw man.
> > Horse shit....its marketing.
>
> Pathetic really.
at least you agree.
> > 99% of people out there would never have heard of Linux....
>
> And they wouldnt use it even if they had heard of it, because it wont run
what they want to run, fuckwit.
What wont run on Linux? Everygame mates have tried, MS Office?? Thats what
most people use a computer for, or Idiot Explorer? Nutscrape??? Please tell
me... Im dying to know fuckwit..
Rod Speed
Matthew van de Werken <m.vand...@cat.csiro.au>
wrote in message news:a1b4ri$j2t$1...@news.qld.csiro.au...
> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> colin <colm...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Dellwood <atd...@optushome.com.au> wrote
>>>> Linux is as hard to get used to as anything else. When you
>>>> first start off with a totally different OS, no matter what it is,
>>>> you find it akward to use, but once you've had a bit of a fiddle
>>>> with it, you get used to it, just like any other OS.
>>> What a great Os!!!
>>> If you had to pay for it , it`d be in every home now
>> Nope, the mainstream app support is pathetic.
> Pathetic??
Yep, pathetic.
> What "mainstream app" particularly are you interested in??
It aint me that matters, boy, its what most use 'in every home'
> Have you actually *looked* for equivalent
> apps to what you use under Windows??
Corse I have, and tossed them in the bin. Pathetic.
> No, you will not find the apps in the shops, but
> you will find them on the net (legitimately, too...)
Duh. Try not to teach your elders and betters how to suck eggs, child.
>> Its got its place, but that aint the mass market desktop systems.
> Says you.
Says anyone but a silly bigoted child, actually.
> Have you actually tried it recently?? Thought not...
Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought, child.
Mindless bigotry tho, you do fine there.
atec77(nospam)
Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
>
Corse I have, and tossed
Hmmm that seems about right , you tossed
again
hahahah
pathetic . usual shiite poured from roddles arse spraying his usual
Mindless bigotry most every where
not that we look anymore
plonk again roddles you masturbate all to publicly .
now Fsk off back into the corner with buggy and self immolate like a
good little roddles..
Rod Speed
Some gutless little prat desperately cowering behindnews:a1b884$6fb$1...@bugstomper.ihug.com.au...
>>>>> Same as anything, if you were used to Linux and Windows just
>>>>> hit the streets, you would be the same, its what your used to.
>>>> Bullshit.
>>> Go ahead explain why not.
>> Its just plain wrong. Thats why not.
> There has to be a reason,..
I gave you the reason, child.
> but I have noticed you have the F12 key set to Bullshit.
Even a gutless little wanker should be able
to manage a shred of originality, child.
>>> they would get just as far as Winderz
>> Bullshit.
> Why...
Its just plain wrong. Thats why.
> how about explaining yourself occasionally instead of just the F12 key?
Even a gutless little wanker should be able
to manage a shred of originality, child.
>>>> Bullshit.
>>> Explain why not.....
>> Its just plain wrong. Thats why not.
> See above.
Completely useless, as always with silly little posturing wankers.
> You can never back up your statements.
Even you should be able to lie MUCH better than that child.
>>> Its showing that its not the shit little pissant OS that people think it is.
>> Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
> aaahhhhh.... now your coming thru... someone who has been
> told something by someone and believes its gospel.... ROTF..
Wrong. As always.
>> Do you even know what a straw man is, child ?
> Thankfully not... its something in your mind....
Pathetic really.
>>>>>>>> Yes, I heard those horror stories too Edward,
>>>>>> It does happen, even with those who do know quite a bit.
>>>>> Happens with Windows too.
>>>> Only rarely in comparison.
>>> But thanks for agreeing, it happens....
>> Taint relevant. What matters is how often it happens with each.
> Tis relevant....
Wrong. As always.
> Yes.. Windows shits itself 90% more often than Linux or Unix... Thems the facts.
Pity what was being discussed there was clearly
how quickly users can get used to it, child.
> WINDOWS RARELY Crashes?????
Just another straw man, child.
> What drugs are you on? Speed and what else?
Even a silly little child should be able to do MUCH better than that child.
>>> And windows Bluescreen?? A daily event...
>> Complete pack of mindless bigot lies.
> Ummmm.... not at all.
Fraid so.
> You think Im a Linux person???
Nope, just a silly little pig ignorant child.
> no actually never played with it,
So you aint in any position to say a damned thing about it are you child ?
GREAT footshot.
> BUT have been there while mates have installed it,
You'll have to pardon those of us that have been doing it since before you
were even fucking born if we dont actually swoon at your 'experience', child.
> and people at work,
Where you clean the dunnys no doubt. Isnt child labor illegal ?
> and been to network games nights playing Starcraft all on Linux Boxes.
Well whoopy fucking do, child.
> Not one of them crashed....
Well whoopy fucking do, child. Pity it aint gotta damned
thing to do with what was actually being discussed, child.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
> Sorry Bill Gates alias Rod Speed... Remember the WINDOWS 98
> Release??? IT BLUE SCREENED INFRONT OF THE WORLD!
Well whoopy fucking do, child. Pity it aint gotta damned
thing to do with what was actually being discussed, child.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
> If Linux wasnt stable would companies be changing from SCO to Linux????
> ...... Think about it.
Nothing to think about, child.
>>>> Completely irrelevant to what was being discussed there.
>>> Everything that points you out as wrong is irrelevant to you....???
>> Wrong. As always.
> Sorry either irrelevant or Bullshit.. I apologise.
Pathetic really. Even you should be able to do MUCH better than that, child.
>> I never said it takes 'ages' to instal, child. Someone else did.
> No you did.. sorry...
More of your desperate childish lying.
>>> Oh yea every windows installation goes off without a hitch...
>> There you go, mindlessly thrashing yet another straw man.
> There you go mindlessly thrashing yet another straw man.
You one of those parrot children, child ?
>> Wota silly little fucking wanker.
> Bullshit There you go mindlessly thrashing yet another straw man.
You one of those parrot children, child ?
>>> Horse shit....its marketing.
>> Pathetic really.
> at least you agree.
Even a pathetic little parrot child should be able to do MUCH better than that, child.
>>> 99% of people out there would never have heard of Linux....
>> And they wouldnt use it even if they had heard of it,
>> because it wont run what they want to run, fuckwit.
> What wont run on Linux? Everygame mates have tried,
Pity only silly kids bother with those, child.
> MS Office?? Thats what most people use a computer for, or Idiot Explorer?
> Nutscrape??? Please tell me... Im dying to know fuckwit..
Wota pathetic little fuckwit child.
king...@ozemail.com.au
<sde...@bigpond.net.au> took time out from the neverending quest to rid the
world of grues and wrote:
> doesnt have native drivers for it?? Like i said in my previous post, XP
> recognised and installed all of my hardware and even stuff that didnt have
> XP support..i am highly impressed by it...one of MS's better efforts i think
No drivers for it.
vfr750fv
> Some gutless little prat desperately cowering behind
> vfr750fv <fu_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a1b884$6fb$1...@bugstomper.ihug.com.au...
what am I hiding from ?? you??? A pensioner? ROTF!!!! not this lifetime....
vfr750fv
$239 or 299 couldnt make out the tag in the shop.
whats it worth??? 0
Bitey
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:18:45 +1100, "vfr750fv" <fu_...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Oldus Fartus
hardware. The surprising thing with this machine was that the Realtek
network card and the Sis video card both gave me problems in Me, but were
detected immediately by Linux.
And no, I will not get involved in the debate between Win and Linux, or even
Win 9x v XP.... I simply do not know enough about Linux or XP to discuss
their pros and cons. Ask me in six months!
--
Oldus Fartus
"vfr750fv" <fu_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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vfr750fv
Oldus Fartus
Phil Cole
> > > Same as anything, if you were used to Linux and Windows just
> > > hit the streets, you would be the same, its what your used to.
> >
> > Bullshit.
> Go ahead explain why not.
One of the fundamental rules of User interface design (to put it simply) -
go with what is familiar.
When an interface is said to be intuitive, it is quite misleading - it
will seem more natural to a user if the interface is like what they are
used to. Or, to put it another way, things are where they think they should
be based on what they are used to using.
I know i found fvwm2 really hard to use initially, but after using it
solely for a period of time, it became quite natural and i needed some
readjustment time when going back to the win2k interface.
Anyway, that's my opinion on it.
Cheers,
Phil
Matthew van de Werken
>
> Matthew van de Werken <m.vand...@cat.csiro.au>
> wrote in message news:a1b4ri$j2t$1...@news.qld.csiro.au...
>> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> colin <colm...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> Dellwood <atd...@optushome.com.au> wrote
>
>>>>> Linux is as hard to get used to as anything else. When you
>>>>> first start off with a totally different OS, no matter what it is,
>>>>> you find it akward to use, but once you've had a bit of a fiddle
>>>>> with it, you get used to it, just like any other OS.
>
>>>> What a great Os!!!
>>>> If you had to pay for it , it`d be in every home now
>
>>> Nope, the mainstream app support is pathetic.
>
>> Pathetic??
>
> Yep, pathetic.
>
MS Office ($1000), vs Open Office ($0). Open Office is actually at the
moment a very good product. I assume you've tried the latest incarnation?
>> What "mainstream app" particularly are you interested in??
>
> It aint me that matters, boy, its what most use 'in every home'
>
OK, "in every home", let's look there:
* Internet browser: Galeon, beats IE hands down. Better looking, faster,
doesn't look in the CD Drive for a CD when I want to browse the 'net (!);
* Email: KMail, beats Eudora or Outlook express. Easier to use, better
filters, actually lets you edit the email address you've typed in once you
leave the To: line (believe it or not Outlook doesn't let you do this(!).
Lets you thread mail, which Outlook/Express doesn't do;
* News: KNode, better than Outlook Express, although OE isn't a bad
newsreader as far as that goes. KNode doesn't have any vbs "issues",
though...
* Word Processor: Open Office, as good as MS word for most tasks. People
should realise that Word is misused in most cases; it's not really meant
for desktop publishing. For desktop publishing of anything more than about
20 pages, Lyx beats MS Word hands down.
* Spreadsheet: Gnumeric is lightweight, and almost as good as Excel in most
areas. It's not as comprehensive, though, so Excel wins on that front. Open
Office also has a spreadsheet which I've not used to comment on.
>> Have you actually *looked* for equivalent
>> apps to what you use under Windows??
>
> Corse I have, and tossed them in the bin. Pathetic.
...And which ones? Of course, you haven't used Linux recently, so you
aren't really qualified to comment, are you?
>
>> No, you will not find the apps in the shops, but
>> you will find them on the net (legitimately, too...)
>
> Duh. Try not to teach your elders and betters how to suck eggs, child.
Elder, maybe, better, I don't think so. At least *my* mind is open to
alternatives. Yes, I use Win2k at work, and I don't mind it too much. The
main application I use is only available for Windows, so I'm stuck with it
there. It's good to come home, though, and not look at what looks exactly
like my work computer.
>
>>> Its got its place, but that aint the mass market desktop systems.
>
>> Says you.
>
> Says anyone but a silly bigoted child, actually.
>
Who's bigotted??
>> Have you actually tried it recently?? Thought not...
>
> Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought, child.
>
> Mindless bigotry tho, you do fine there.
Why thankyou, Rod the Bot.
Cheers,
MvdW
Trent
> Now rod, while I agree with a lot of what you said in the past, you're now
> going against the combined wisdom of multiple web sites and multiple
reviews
> of win98se vs me, winxp vs 2000, 2000vs xp vs me...
>
> I challenge you to show how my comments were bullshit, or if you can't
just
> shut up.
Don't stress about what certain people think. XP is better. ME was crap.
98SE was what I used until XP. Try them all, see what you like best, *your
self* and use reviews as a guide.
Trent
news:k8fh3u8kjumg5e56v...@4ax.com...
Have you tried the windowsupdate.microsoft.com feature?
Or the official manufacturers site?
Or a search at www.google.com?
Or asking at www.overclockers.com.au ?
Rod Speed
Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
atec77(nospam) <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c39318d$0$26731$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
just the puerile shit thats always pouring from its arse.
Trent
> the question was whats it cost...
>
> $239 or 299 couldnt make out the tag in the shop.
>
> whats it worth??? 0
It's the best OS ever, from any company/person.
Matthew van de Werken
I find that very difficult to believe. Better than Solaris? Better than
OS/X? Better than NextStep? Better than OpenBSD? Better than FreeBSD?
Define "better".
Cheers,
MvdW
atec77(nospam)
so you wouldn't feel anymore chagrin the necessary
atec77(nospam)
Rod Speed wrote:
>
> Some gutless little prat desperately cowering behind
> vfr750fv <fu_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a1bla6$bu7$1...@bugstomper.ihug.com.au...
>
> > what am I hiding from ??
>
> Who knows ? Who cares, gutless.
atec77(nospam)
butt has suddenly got tight again too sonny
Doc
of anything. Of course you did read the hardware requirements and ran the
compatibility program? If not, then whos fault is it??
"vfr750fv" <fu_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I did the same, installed it and went back to ME. You need to upgrade ALL
> your firmware, well I did and it still wasnt happy. Typical MS Shit
>
> Thinking of something else though... Linux??
> theres a gazillion Warez sites out there with XP on their FTP's try
> www.elitehackers.com or www.thespp.com and the FTP sections.
>
>
> "°°°D°A°°°" <doov...@thenottohotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ksTZ7.61438$HW3....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > NO.
> > You need a powerful computer to use XP and overall the problems with all
> the
> > drivers for serial and USB for peripheral equipment I have, it was not
> worth
> > the problems.
> > I happily went back to WinMe which has never given me any problems.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > "Rory" <Ror...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3c37fd20$0$21179$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
Aaron T
and should be forwarded with the computer it was sold with ...
XP I've found to be very good as long as you can get win2k drivers for it
(at the least)... so prolly if you hardware is at max a year old you will
prolly be fine.
At work the thing we have most trouble with is network cards and modems...
they are a bitch sometimes... but again if its namebrand (3com, netgear etc)
then youa re prolly alright..network cards is usually a good idea to find
the generic driver for the chip...
Personally for us (as techs at big Perth shop) WinME is the ultimate in
crap... Win98SE is FAR better.. win2k is very very good and winXP is quite
good but too early really to say...
I'd say wait it out for another couple months (and service packs)... BTW..
winxp is ~$600 or $200 OEM
Trevor S
> Depending on what apps you use, and you rusage patterns thereof, there may
> be Linux alternatives.
I can find good alternatives for everything (with nearly no looking) except
Adobe Premier & DVD-R/RW authoring (I would change if I someone could
recommend a good Linux alternative) and Quickbooks for my busuiness
financials.
> A small hint: if all you want is a server (dedicated, to run the internet,
> share files and printer etc), take a look into e-smith.
> http://www.e-smith.org or http://www.e-smith.com . I installed one for the
> first time last week, very very simple to setup and administer (all web
> based once initial setup is done).
Thanks for the tip :)
Trevor S
Rod Speed
Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
atec77(nospam) <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Rod Speed
Aaron T <tod...@ses.curtin.edu.au> wrote in message
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> Those packages are most likely illegal OEM packaging...
Wrong. Nothing 'illegal' about it.
> OEM is shrinkwrapped and should be forwarded with the computer it was sold with ...
Its nothing like as black and white as that and that certainly aint what the law says.
> XP I've found to be very good as long as you can get win2k drivers for it
> (at the least)... so prolly if you hardware is at max a year old you will prolly be fine.
> At work the thing we have most trouble with is network cards and modems...
> they are a bitch sometimes... but again if its namebrand (3com, netgear etc)
> then youa re prolly alright..network cards is usually a good idea to find
> the generic driver for the chip...
> Personally for us (as techs at big Perth shop) WinME is the ultimate in crap...
Just goes to show that you clowns aint gotta fucking clue.
> Win98SE is FAR better..
Just goes to show that you clowns aint gotta fucking clue.
> win2k is very very good and winXP is quite good but too early really to say...
> I'd say wait it out for another couple months (and service packs)...
> BTW.. winxp is ~$600 or $200 OEM
> Rory <Ror...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> DId a search for XP on www.ebay.com.au and www.sold.com.au and heaps of
Rod Speed
Some gutless little prat desperately cowering behind
more of the puerile shit thats always pouring from its arse.
Rod Speed
Phil Cole <s36...@student.uq.edu.au> wrote in message
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> vfr750fv wrote
>>>> Same as anything, if you were used to Linux and Windows just
>>>> hit the streets, you would be the same, its what your used to.
>>> Bullshit.
>> Go ahead explain why not.
> One of the fundamental rules of User interface
> design (to put it simply) - go with what is familiar.
Yes, but there is rather more to it than just that.
One of the very fundamental differences between a basic GUI/menu
and other approaches is that the basic GUI/menu has the user choosing
from the available choices, instead of typing in commands which they
essentially have to memorise and use documentation and manuals for.
> When an interface is said to be intuitive, it is quite misleading
Nope. Some approaches are more intuitive than others.
> - it will seem more natural to a user if the
> interface is like what they are used to.
Yes, but some approaches will ALSO seem more
intuitive and natural if done in a particular way.
> Or, to put it another way, things are where they think
> they should be based on what they are used to using.
Its much more complicated than JUST that.
One obvious example is basic power switches. Its much more intuitive
for a switch to have an on and an off position, with it being obvious which
position its in. The switches where you do the same thing to turn it off as
to turn it on, with no indication of the current state, are much less intuitive.
> I know i found fvwm2 really hard to use initially, but after using it
> solely for a period of time, it became quite natural and i needed
> some readjustment time when going back to the win2k interface.
Sure, but some approaches are just more intuitive and natural
TOO. And those are much easier to learn because they are.
> Anyway, that's my opinion on it.
Trouble is that its a very superficial opinion.
Matthew van de Werken
>
>> One of the fundamental rules of User interface
>> design (to put it simply) - go with what is familiar.
>
> Yes, but there is rather more to it than just that.
>
> One of the very fundamental differences between a basic GUI/menu
> and other approaches is that the basic GUI/menu has the user choosing
> from the available choices, instead of typing in commands which they
> essentially have to memorise and use documentation and manuals for.
>
You know, it's actually quite funny that you've written this, with the idea
that it somehow refutes the statement "Linux is hard to use". I take it
you've never used Mandrake or SuSE, then, whose administration and user app
tools are easier to use than MS tools.
The other thing about Linux is that the OS is a lot better self-documented
than MS OSes, at least insofar as the online help goes. I've quite ofrten
got to a point in the MS online help where it says "Please contact your
system administrator for further info"; I AM the sysadmin, FFS!
Cheers,
MvdW
atec77(nospam)
atec77(nospam)
Rod Speed
Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
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Rod Speed wrote:
>
> Some gutless little prat desperately cowering behind Rod Speed
> wrote in message
atec77(nospam)
wrote:Rod Speed
>
> Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
> Rod Speed wrote in message
Rod Speed
Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
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atec77(nospam)
Rod Speed wrote:
>
> Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote:
>
> Some gutless little prat desperately cowering behind
> Rod Speed
Geoffrey
> DId a search for XP on www.ebay.com.au and www.sold.com.au ... are they
> worth buying.
Show me a version of Windows *anything* that is worth buying :)
Geoffrey
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Rod Speed
Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
Rod Speed
Some gutless little prat desperately cowering behind
vfr750fv
"Rod Speed"
pathetic
vfr750fv
atec77(nospam)
*a useless trash brained bloke named Rod Speed wrote:
>
> Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
> "Rod Speed"
atec77(nospam)
a useless butt cheek named "Rod Speed" wrote:
>
> Some gutless little prat desperately cowering behind
> "Rod Speed"
> more of the puerile shit thats always pouring from its arse.
Yawn .
Rod Speed
Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
atec77(nospam)
"Rod Speed" wrote lots of lies
>
> Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
> ::Rod Speed"" the masturbator
atec77(nospam)
;Rod Speed; the liar wrote:
>
> Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
> ;Rod Speed; the liar
>
> just the puerile shit thats always pouring from its arse.
atec77(nospam)
Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
description of roddles person
Doc
<king...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> 'Twas a dark and stormy night on Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:20:00 GMT as "haz"
> <sde...@bigpond.net.au> took time out from the neverending quest to rid
the
> world of grues and wrote:
>
> > PLease define what you mean by doesnt recognise...it doesnt see it, or
> > doesnt have native drivers for it?? Like i said in my previous post, XP
> > recognised and installed all of my hardware and even stuff that didnt
have
> > XP support..i am highly impressed by it...one of MS's better efforts i
think
>
> No drivers for it.
So bitch to Adaptec, its their product...
Greg Thiedecke
is best and fastest? Should be easy to answer for one so wise as yourself
"Rod Speed" <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Greg Thiedecke <soft...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
> message news:zy8_7.2662$lt4.1...@ozemail.com.au...
>
> > Now rod, while I agree with a lot of what you said in the past, you're
> > now going against the combined wisdom of multiple web sites and
> > multiple reviews of win98se vs me, winxp vs 2000, 2000vs xp vs me...
>
> More bullshit.
>
> > I challenge you to show how my comments were bullshit,
>
> YOU made those claims, child. YOU get to do the substantiation
> of those claims YOU made. THATS how it works.
>
> > or if you can't just shut up.
>
> Silly little pathetic excuses for bullshit artist children like
> you get no say what so ever on anything at all, ever.
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> Greg Thiedecke <soft...@ozemail.com.au> wrote
>
> >>> ME Benchmarks slower than 98se,
>
> >> Bullshit.
>
> >>> doesn't offer anything extra in stability
>
> >> More bullshit.
>
> >>> and in a lot of cases is slower than 98se.
>
> >> More bullshit.
>
> >>> I would be interested as to why you hated XP. If you turn on the
> >>> classic UI, it looks and feels like ME without the stability problems,
> >>> and benchmarks faster than it. Horses for courses I guess.
>
> >> In that case it would be horseshit.
>
>
> >>> vfr750fv <fu_...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> >>>> Amazing how everyone has a different opinion..
>
> >> Nothing amazing about that. Happens with everything, stupid.
>
> >>>> Im runnin ME at the moment, have for 3 mths, have no problems.
> >>>> ran SE for 3 yrs no problems... Ran XP (eXtra Profit)... and hated it
> >>>> NT(No Thanks) is still run by the majority of companies out
there.....
>
> >>>> Others like 2k Better.... to each their own
>
> >>>>> You went back to ME? I reckon ME stands for More Errors.
> >>>>> After putting up with ME, I went back to WIN98SE - The best OE
>
>
>
Greg Thiedecke
you just resort to what is somewhat demeaning to you and you only, the
childish name calling and prattle.
Rod I remember back in the old days of Fidonet you were a very wise
individual, why bother with the stupidity that you sometimes seem to
perpetuate?
You should know better.
Hmmm here I go some pointless diatribe about my parentage coming up no
doubt.
"Rod Speed" <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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atec77(nospam)
Michael Smith
Some of us like Windows, some of us like Linux, others like both or neither.
Get over it.
king...@ozemail.com.au
<fuzz...@yahoo.com> took time out from the neverending quest to rid the world
of grues and wrote:
> > > PLease define what you mean by doesnt recognise...it doesnt see it, or
> > > doesnt have native drivers for it?? Like i said in my previous post, XP
> > > recognised and installed all of my hardware and even stuff that didnt
> have
> > > XP support..i am highly impressed by it...one of MS's better efforts i
> think
> >
> > No drivers for it.
>
> So bitch to Adaptec, its their product...
Why?
It is Micro$oft's problem. The 154x series has been around for at least 10
years. Previous versions of Windoze supported it, so why not XP?
Doc
<king...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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Whether it is supposed to be supported or not, it is still up to
manufacturers to support the OS maker as well.
Rod Speed
> Lets put it another way oh self appointed omniscient one.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament MUCH better than that, child.
> Which windows OS is best and fastest?
YOU made those claims, child. YOU get to do the substantiation
of those claims YOU made. THATS how it works.
> Should be easy to answer for one so wise as yourself
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament MUCH better than that, child.
Rod Speed
> Now why is it that sometimes you can write a lucid answer
All of them are, child.
> and other times you just resort to what
> is somewhat demeaning to you and you
> only, the childish name calling and prattle.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament MUCH better than that, child.
> Rod I remember back in the old days of Fidonet you were a very wise
> individual, why bother with the stupidity that you sometimes seem to perpetuate?
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament MUCH better than that, child.
> You should know better.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament MUCH better than that, child.
> Hmmm here I go some pointless diatribe
> about my parentage coming up no doubt.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament MUCH better than that, wanker.
atec77(nospam)
Roddles Speed just shortly after being on the receiving end of his
boyfriends advances wrote
Some pathetic little gutless coward desperately cowering behind
:Rod Speed:
just the puerile shit that's always pouring from its arse.
Edward Ozgo
Touchy aren't we. Get over it!!!!!!!!!
And stop reading shit that upsets you so much.
Greg Thiedecke
>
> Greg Thiedecke <soft...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
> message news:Oxw_7.3300$lt4.1...@ozemail.com.au...
>
> > Lets put it another way oh self appointed omniscient one.
>
> Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
> of your predicament MUCH better than that, child.
>
> > Which windows OS is best and fastest?
>
> YOU made those claims, child. YOU get to do the substantiation
> of those claims YOU made. THATS how it works.
Er that was a question, can't you tell the difference?
(Just as a hint questions end in question marks, statements or claims end in
full stops or exclamation marks)
Greg Thiedecke
>
> Greg Thiedecke <soft...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
> message news:UDw_7.3304$lt4.1...@ozemail.com.au...
>
> > Now why is it that sometimes you can write a lucid answer
>
> All of them are, child.
Actually nope, a lot of them are childish crap, the use of macros , scripts
or cut and pastes to repeat
the same statement whether it applies or not is not a mark of great
intelligence it is a mark of laziness
or foolishly thinking it is smart. Referring to people as children with no
knowledge of whether they are
or not is also somewhat pathetic... Now note I do not have to resort to
namecalling, (even be it child,
or use of obscenities to try and seem omniscient).
Rod Speed
>>> Lets put it another way oh self appointed omniscient one.
>> Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
>> of your predicament MUCH better than that, child.
>>> Which windows OS is best and fastest?
>> YOU made those claims, child. YOU get to do the substantiation
>> of those claims YOU made. THATS how it works.
> Er that was a question, can't you tell the difference?
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament MUCH better than that, child.
> (Just as a hint questions end in question marks, statements
> or claims end in full stops or exclamation marks)
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament MUCH better than that, child.
YOU made those claims, child. YOU get to do the substantiation
of those claims YOU made. THATS how it works.
>>> Should be easy to answer for one so wise as yourself
>> Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
>> of your predicament MUCH better than that, child.
He's right. As always.
Rod Speed
just reams of peurile silly shit any 3 year old could leave for dead.
Try harder, pratchild. You might actually manage to fool someone, sometime.