Re: 1285good job prashantji

[manoj kumar]

Hello ,,,
 
i am seeing the mails from last so many months...
even i have flat in aura chimera  actually have transferred the amount from NH24 to this project with thought its under construction so will get flat in next 2year. but got stuck again......
i have stopped my EMI from  bank and have demanded my total refund from aura-chimera, as i am not  interested in aura flat or any penalty they will offer me . becoz iam sure that they will adjust this penalty in quality, like they did in lotus pond indirapurapm - using b grade quality of  wood , tiles & other fitments and later demanding another lacs for extra developments in socity.  so they don't have any issue to deliver flat with penalty.....
 
its better for me to let EMI invested in other upcoming project like noida ext. with much  better price and quality
so i have flat in my hand in next some years and meanwhile i can chase them for my refund.
 
so the question is this GROUP is demanding the flat+penalty or refund
as i would like to join the group  if demand the total refund.
 
Pls advise
 
Regards
Manoj kumar. 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, anil tahlani <anilt...@gmail.com> wrote:

good job mr prashantji,

 

i will not disclose everything but i personally appreciate it.

 

I also hope that in the coming meeting you will take a responsibilty to lead the either group. take the decision & implement the same.

 

meanwhile, i got some phone calls & mails regarding the venue , let me clear, at my end i personally in the favor, that this meeting should not be cancelled at any how so i suggested this venue to be easy approachable even by a public transport. and even in any weather condition.

 

Prashantji,sibuji,bimalji,gauravji, you all have understood why i am addressing you, scanning at this time was my sole decision, noother core group member is involved but rights also has been distributed to moderate. As in your's  only prashnatji is the moderator.

 

so, don't blame any core  member.

 

i have no objection to follow any of our bonafide member at any time.  I also assure you that I will try for my best .

 

there are something hidden in this letter, I cannot disclose, I hope you all understand the spirit of the letter, and will forgive me. what i have done with the help of other core group member in these days we will disclose on sunday to let you better decide your further strategy.

 

 

Kind Regards

 

anil tahlani

K506

9313971644  

 

 

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[VINOD KUMAR]

How did you stop the EMI to the bank.???

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[VINOD KUMAR]

Dear Anil Ji,

 

Can I ask you one thing?? don't take it personally

 

Why can't you disclose everything??? Are  we not the members or are we not sailing in the same boat as the core members are??

 

I believe each and everything between us should be crystal clear and should be decided with the consent of each and every member in the group. If you can not discuss few things with us then there is no use in making this group. Paying 15 to 20 thousand rupees every month pinches us a lot and after hearing a lot of things about this builder it's really hurting a lot.

 

PLS DON'T TAKE THIS MAIL PERSONALLY. JUST THINK ABOUT IT PRACTICALLY.

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[Sibu Avrachan]

Dear Anil Ji,

There is nothing personal against anybody and please take it in right sprit. Blocking of mail in fact was like taking ones freedom of expression. You will also have to accept that there will be difference in opinion in a large group, but one should be able to take good things out of that also.

One point which I would like to suggest to the core member, is to change the venue of the meeting. There would be few problems that I could foresee:

-Heavy Noise of vehicles and a group of people won’t be able to hear.
- Large group assembling in Bus stand will attract other on looker also police. Also security of members if somebody want to distract our meeting intentionally, which will lead to problem in Bus stand.
-due to accepted Ayodhya verdict on 24th assembling in large group at public place will attract attention of police.
-how can we discuss important things in a Bus stand?

Please reconsider the meeting place. It can be any place/ park only rain protected, or we can go to site also.

Best Reagrds,
Sibu



On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:04:30 +0530 wrote

>good job mr prashantji,
 
i will not disclose everything but i personally appreciate it.
 
I also hope that in the coming meeting you will take a responsibilty to lead the either group. take the decision & implement the same.
 
meanwhile, i got some phone calls & mails regarding the venue , let me clear, at my end i personally in the favor, that this meeting should not be cancelled at any how so i suggested this venue to be easy approachable even by a public transport. and even in any weather condition.

 
Prashantji,sibuji,bimalji,gauravji, you all have understood why i am addressing you, scanning at this time was my sole decision, noother core group member is involved but rights also has been distributed to moderate. As in your's  only prashnatji is the moderator.
 
so, don't blame any core  member.
 
i have no objection to follow any of our bonafide member at any time.  I also assure you that I will try for my best .
 
there are something hidden in this letter, I cannot disclose, I hope you all understand the spirit of the letter, and will forgive me. what i have done with the help of other core group member in these days we will disclose on sunday to let you better decide your further strategy.

 
 
Kind Regards
 
anil tahlani
K506
9313971644  
 
 



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[Kallepully Palakkad]

Dear Mr Kaushal,

 

Based on these valid points, I also feel that we should meet at the site.  Other members, please comment.

 

Have a nice day!

 

Sunil

[VINOD KUMAR]

PERFECT....WE SHOULD MEET AT THE SITE.....

 

 

VINOD KUMAR

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[Prashant Pandey]

Dear Anilji,
 
I really need to have heart to heart with you during this meeting bro. This Sunday would be a busy day for me since I have other preoccupations, and will really need to evaluate whether there is any point for me to be present in the meeting. After all for the last one month, I could not spend the time with my family on Sunday’s.
 
In my view, it is very important to share views of each member of this group, which can only happen when your google group is working, and is not filtered. We all have one problem, i.e., the flat. We need to be transparent, and we all need to be coordinating with each other, especially at this point of time when our builder is absconding, and we don’t know what we are going to do. Google group is the only common platform where we could see response of each member. This group is indeed most advantageous, but if the mail responses are stopped, then it surely creates more confusion. In fact, this is better for you as core member since you could monitor the mails and see what a person is trying to do. This google group is for a common cause (irrespective of who the moderator is – you or me), therefore must not be stopped unilaterally.
 
I wanted to see more mails coming from you regarding the action we should be taking against the builder. The site was ceiled, we did nothing. The builder got arrested, we did nothing. The builder will be getting bail (I think today), we are not doing anything. We cannot be Gandhiji all the time.
 
As far as taking any decision is concerned, which you don’t want to let the members know, you are always at a liberty of doing so by your own private email id's. But here again, since we are members of your group, we all need to be kept informed. What is really required at this point of time is that we all should communicate and give ideas – we have fantastic brains in our group, including yourself. So please don’t stop the communication, and let it flow. There is definitely no way we can find builder's bogus member/s in our group. You may surely filter the mail, but the opinion of each individual remains which cant be filtered.
 
I spoke (and also emailed) to Tarunjeet, and told him about the group not working. Then waited the whole day yesterday. The group started and was again closed. Then I called Tarunjeet last night at 9.43 p.m. and told him again. I am attaching my mail which I had sent to Mr. Kaushal.
 
Its not only me, but there are many members (apart from what you have named) who want the communication to flow. In any case, being a moderator of a group is in no way a great task and does not involve any rocket science.
 
Only thing which we are not clear (as I see), is that we are not sure where are we heading. Most of us want to proceed legally, whereas most of the people want to remain quite and wait. Take everybody’s opinion and do what the majority wants you to do.
 
Lastly, please don’t hide anything on e – mail / letter, as you had said in your mail. I would greatly appreciate welcoming your suggestion.
 
Our ideas may be different, but even I will eventually have to go with the majority.
 
Thanks and best regards,
Prashant Pandey
98110 52048
 
Attachment
 
 
P.S. : Meeting at Ghaziabad site seems to be the best option. Please advise.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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From: prashan...@hotmail.com
To: aura-chim...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 1278
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 06:00:31 +0000

Dear Kaushalji,
 
Due to some reason, I see that the emails are bouncing to our google group. Is there any specific reason of your blocking the group. All the members including me need to have a common platform where we can interact with each other and share views of our members. If you want only core members to interact with each other, this can be done on your all private email id's. Then there is no point of creating a google account. In any case, having a google account is not a new technology.
 
Regards,
Prashant
9811052048


 

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:25:18 +0000
To: aura-chim...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Request for change of venue for sunday meeting
From: sibu_a...@rediffmail.com
CC: aura-chi...@googlegroups.com; aura-c...@googlegroups.com; coregr...@googlegroups.com

[Gaurav Deep]

प्रिय कोर ग्रुप के सदस्यों,
मेरे मुताबिक भी मीटिंग साइट पर ही होनी चाहिए...

  

 प्रार्थी

गौरव दीप तिवारी 

[Kallepully Palakkad]

Dear Satishji and all our friends:

 

Through my personal contacts, I could consult a practicing Supreme Court lawyer who has good experience in fighting property-related cases.  I explained her about the trap where we’d fallen and the huge amount of money that we are going to repay to the bank (more than double of what we borrowed from bank - in 20 years). 

 

Now the lawyer’s opinion is that complaining / lodging FIRs against the officials of builder (Mr Anil Jain, Mr Ankur Jain etc in this case) at such a time when he is already in judicial custody is not a good idea.  This action we can take in future too.  There is no way to hope the construction will be continued till the time Mr Jain is in the custody.  So, the advocate’s suggestion is that we keep the matter of filing complaints / FIRs / cases for couple of months and wait for Mr Jain to come out of custody.  As soon as he is out, we should fix a meeting with Mr Jain and give him an ultimatum of 2 months to show his intention to continue the project work.  Since he faced the hard time these days, if he is going to change his intention and ready to carry on the work, he will do it in 2 months.  Our qualified engineers (before meeting with Mr Jain) should prepare a chart of construction work which can be done in 2 months.  These two months will be a testing period for him.  Simultaneously, it will show our co-operation with him by delaying initiating actions as per law.  In case we find he could not do the work as per the chart after 2 months, we should take all the relevant actions against him including filing FIRs and approaching relevant courts.  In these two months, in the opinion of the advocate, we should do the paper work like collecting copies of the documents related to the project from GDA and other authorities.  The documents already collected from builder should also be verified with the documents collected from authorities. 

 

If the builder is able to complete the work as per the chart given to him, we should keep on giving him fresh chart of works another two months and so on.

 

Since I have been watching and participating in communications on google group for past so many months, I find Mr Prashant’s curiosity genuine and request Mr Tahlani not to take it personally.  When we are there in public forums, there will be brick bats.  Everyone should please take it positively.  Our communications should not give a chance for doubt.  Afterall, our objective is same – chasing the builder to complete the flat or to get the money back.  Please keep the unity.  Infact the core group members stopped communicating in the forum recently which has caused people to raise eye-brows. I know that the intention was good, but transparency will help us to be more close to each other and reaching the objective fast.  I request all the core group members also to be active in google group communications so that there is no chance to doubt about our intentions. If we do not disclose the agenda till the meeting starts, our allottee members cannot have time to prepare on the points to be discussed. So I suggest members to contact Satishji, Kaushalji etc. to get to know the agenda points. 

 

It is written in my personal capacity as an allottee and above written lawyer’s opinion is taken by me on my individual capacity.

 

Have a good Day!

 

Best,

 

Sunil Nair

 

[Prashant Pandey]

Dear Members,
 
I am in agreement with Mr. Sunil Nair and Mr. Satish K.
 
Also would request that my thoughts should not be construed as being anti to anyone.
 
Regards,
Prashant
 
 

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:13:37 +0530
Subject: 1300Re: 1298Re: 1296RE: 1295Fw: Mails-Moderation
From: psuni...@gmail.com
To: aura-c...@googlegroups.com

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:04 AM, satish k <ksat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Mr.Prashant Pandey,

                                         Please be patient and attend Sunday's meeting.

We will give you a brief about the opinions given by the below esteemed people.

 

Going legal is a very broad term.The question that needs to be answered is :

 

1.Should we go legal to arrest and imprison the Jains.(what next?)

2.Should we go legal to get back our money.(does he has the money?,what if the cheque bounces?,again fresh cases  by individual)

3.Should we go legal to get hold of our flats.

 

Each of the above actions has its  own pros and Cons,different probability of suceeding,different time frames and  different levels of legal and operational expertise.

 

We will discuss these and also other options when we meet on sunday.

 

 

 

Best Regards

Satish

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Prashant Pandey <prashan...@hotmail.com>
To: aura-c...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 10:37:59 PM
Subject: 1296RE: 1295Fw: Mails-Moderation

Dear Mr. Satish K,
 
I was present and agree to that.
 
So what basically you are saying is that we are definitely going to proceed legally against the builder since we have taken a legal opinion. If that is the thing, I am with Mr. Tahlani. But can you please advise what sort of proceedings are you planning against the builder, or have you already proceeded against the builder in the last 2 weeks after Jain's arrest. I know you have not proceeded against the builder !
 
If at this point of time you still believe that remaining quite is the solution, I dont think anything is going to happen, so do the other members feel.
 
We have had enough discussions with Ankur Jain, and he is now absconding. I dont know how much you are concerned regarding the money, but I and other members are very concerned about the money we have invested.
 
You have met all the senior officials, so we would be very interested to know how we plan going forward.
 
Thanks and regards,
Prashant

 
 
 

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:03:28 +0530
From: ksat...@yahoo.com
Subject: 1295Fw: Mails-Moderation
To: aura-c...@googlegroups.com
CC: anilt...@hotmail.com

Dear all,

             The decision to moderate the mails in our group was discussed in our meeting on 12th september at Sector -1 park,immediately after our meeting with Mr.Ankur Jain.Members who were present in the meeting(including Mr.Prashant Pandey) would definately recall this issue.

So it is not a unilateral decision of Mr.Tahilani.He is being very modest in accepting all the brickbats..

I would like to put on record that Mr.Tahilani  has given a new direction and road map in our struggle with Nitishree.

 

1.We were able to get a free consultation from a very reputed supreme court advocate,because of Mr.Tahilani

2.We were able to seek the advise of Chairman of IBA(Indian bank association) again due to Mr.Tahilani

3.An NGO headed by a former Air chief and Retired judge,have also been consulted again due to Mr.Kaushal and Mr.Tahilani

 

Please note that all the above meetings have taken places on weekends at the the cost  of the members ''family time''.Last saturday we were in the ''road'' for allmost 10 hours driving from one corner of NCR to opposite part,meeting various people.

 

So please be patient and refrain from hurting the sentiments of members like Mr.Tahilani .Mr.Ankur Jain would be the happiest person if Mr.Tahilani leaves our forum....

 

I think I have conveyed enough.

 

Best Regards

 

Satish.K

 

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From: anil tahlani <anilt...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 1:28:38 PM
Subject: 1285good job prashantji