Convolution on macOS - AU or VST plugins possible?

[DRCuser]

Dear Bernt,

Is there any way on macOS to be able to pass macOS audio (Spotify, YouTube etc) through Audiolense convolution?

For example, can Audiolense produce AudioUnit (AU) or VST plugins, like Dirac Live Processor can?

There are macOS apps like Rogue Amoeba SoundSource that can handle AU and VST plugins and then can route audio to USB DAC.

[mark specht]

You could use Audiohijack...

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[sean sean]

Hi, that's an app by the same company that mostly does the same thing...

Same question applies though - would need AU or VST plugin on macOS

Without that, I don't see how Audiohijack would work with Audiolense for Spotify, YouTube etc, as there is no Audiolense macOS Convolver

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[mark specht]

Haven’t tried, but: Define Jriver and it’s convolver as the Output Device in Loopback, route this to your DAC. Then define Loopback as the ouput device in Audiohijack. 

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[Bernt Rønningsbakk]

I believe there are several who uses Audiolense with a Mac, I don't have any insight in the details.

 

Mvh,

Bernt

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[DRCuser]

Thanks Bernt but my original question is asking about AU or VST plugins

Is it something you could consider for Audiolense? Or not going to be on your roadmap

This would open up many simpler options on macOS, instead of a standalone convolver

Dirac Live Processor works with AU plugins and makes it easy to route audio

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:51:55 PM UTC+8, BerntR wrote:

I believe there are several who uses Audiolense with a Mac, I don't have any insight in the details.

 

Mvh,

Bernt

 

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Dear Bernt,

 

Is there any way on macOS to be able to pass macOS audio (Spotify, YouTube etc) through Audiolense convolution?

 

For example, can Audiolense produce AudioUnit (AU) or VST plugins, like Dirac Live Processor can?

 

There are macOS apps like Rogue Amoeba SoundSource that can handle AU and VST plugins and then can route audio to USB DAC.

 

 

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[Bernt Rønningsbakk]

A VST plugin is not in the plans, but there are many 3^rd party vst convolver plugins available.

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[DRCuser]

Thanks Bernt

Can anyone share 3rd party VST convolver plugin for macOS

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[DRCuser]

Aside from the JRIver method, I don't use JRiver

[Eddie Vizsla]

Hi,

Could you let me know how you use "the JRiver method" with the mac OS ?

I use JRiver on a windows based computer as a method of passing audio through from another program with the use of the WDM driver (Windows Driver Model) in JRiver. WDM is not an option is not part of the mac version of JRiver or am I missing something?

I am very keen to hear how to use the filters I have created with AL on my mac based system. At the moment I can use the mac version of JRiver to play back music stored on my server through JRiver but nothing else.

If someone knows a mac based convolver that will host AL filters and provides 2 channels in with 8 channels out (4 way system) I would love to hear about it. As I mentioned above, I can do it with a windows based computer using JRiver but I don't know how to achieve it on the macOS ?

Regards

Mark 

[DRCuser]

Hi,

I see you replied to my message but I don't use JRiver.

I'm asking the same question - advice on a 3rd party convolver plugin for macOS

I really don't want to go back to JRiver after enjoying Roon now.

 

I'm looking for a macOS convolver for Spotify, YouTube etc

Hoping somebody can advise 

[Eddie Vizsla]

Hi,

My question was towards Mark Specht (or anyone else who knows the answer). Mark's screen shots look like he is using JRiver on a mac to host the filters from AL and using audio-hijack to send spotify (or similar) to the input of JRiver.

Were I am confused is I didn't think JRiver in mac allowed for an input. I know the windows version has this functionality but I didn't think the mac version did ? It will be great if it does ? It would be great if someone can help clear this for me.

I am fairly new to AL so still have a lot to learn.

Regards

Mark

[mark specht]

Hi Eddi,

I don‘t use it this way, I use Roon/Tidal/Qobuz on my Mac - and its convolution engine. That works for sure.

I happen to have Audiohijack installed on my Mac but I haven't tried yet if it‘s working the way on my screenshots.

Will try asap.

Mark

Am 21.06.2020 um 13:59 schrieb Eddie Vizsla <morr...@tpg.com.au>:



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[Eddie Vizsla]

Hi Mark,

Thanks I will be keen to hear if it works. 

As per DCusers original post I would also be keen to hear of any convolver options for mac that work with AL filters for a 4 way system.

Regards

Mark

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[Bob Stern]

Two AU plugins that have been favorably mentioned on AudiophileStyle.com are:

Liquid Sonics Reverberate Core, 2 channels, $40, not updated in 3 years but apparently still functional:
https://www.liquidsonics.com/software/reverberate-core/

The product actually recommended is SIR2, but it’s been replaced by these two products:

SIR3, 2 channels, €150 or $190 less 25% with online coupon:
https://www.siraudiotools.com/SIR3.php

SIR ButterFLY, 16 channels, price upon request:
https://www.siraudiotools.com/Butterfly.php

Bob

[carl marchetto]

Thanks Bob 

Bruno

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[DRCuser]

Thanks Bob!

Can Audiolense produce a low latency filter option? 

Obviously wouldn't be as correct as 65k/130k tap option but would be useful for YouTube/Netflix etc

[Bernt Rønningsbakk]

Yes,

 

And if you find a zero latency convolver you can also use long filters. But you will have to settle for minimum phase crossovers and frequency correction. That should get you inside 10 ms.

 

Mvh,

Bernt

 

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Thanks Bob!

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[get_mmk]

I use Audiolense filters with Jriver's convolution to watch Netflix in multi-channel. When using Minphase crossovers and target and disabling Time domain correction, latency is not an issue for me even with 132k tap filter. This is on Windows.

Reverberate Core is a very good plugin for zero-latency convolution, I have used it too and would be a good option for Mac with Soundsource. Mac does not support multi-channel for Netflix but, if yo wanted a multi-channel setup with zero latency in Mac or Windows, I will also recommend the meta-plugin. ReverberateCore + Meta-Plugin is great for multi-channel zero latency convolution and yo can go crazy with routing. 

[DRCuser]

Thanks Bernt and get_mmk 

Very useful info for (the many) macOS user out there

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[Christian Kuntze]

Hi

i am using Fogconvolver. There is a VST and AU Plugin available!

But you can use many other reverbaration plugins. just take care of the count of possible taps!

Greetings

Christian

[DRCuser]

Thanks for this additional option!

I will try some of these and report back.

Now when someone asks Bernt about macOS convolvers, at least there is a thread he can point to with a few options.

[DRCuser]

Hi again

What is the format of filters required by Audiolense that can work with Fogconlver?

And does it worth with more than 2-channels convolution? Or limited to 2-channels only?

[Bernt Rønningsbakk]

You would have to consult the Fogconvolver for accepted formats.

 

Audiolense outputs waveformextensible (wav) in 32 or 64 bit float, mono wav and binary files. And you can specify the filter length.

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[Øystein]

So, these convolvers are able to make a VST-plugin out of the Audiolense correction file?

Not really beeing into the studio gear but isnt a soundcard like the Universal Audio Apollo able to host VST-plugins and to work in stand alone mode? Could this route be the answer to having a "black box" with convolution without a PC/Mac attached?

Øystein

[Bernt Rønningsbakk]

Close, but not quite there. These convolvers come in the form of VST plugins. And some of them … maybe all of them … can use filters generated from Audiolense.  Some of them are only stereo … if you have more than two speakers or intend to use digital crossovers you need a multichannel convolver, and ideally one that  can read the config files that Audiolense generates. JRiver works on Mac, and so does ROON as well. Both have a plug & play interface (almost) with Audiolense.

 

Mvh,

Bernt

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[sean sean]

JRiver and Roon and HQPlayer on macOS work great for music only.

But as per opening post, these don't do video well on macOS (using all system sounds as input).

There is good discussion on the new AV Nirvana forum.

Better to continue there.

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