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Simon
Feb 19, 2009, 1:55:18 PM2/19/09
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Today Andrew started to try and get the original liquid heater/cooler
out. Major dashboard job... everything must come out.
The intention is to replace the element with a 12V ceramic one.
Simon
out. Major dashboard job... everything must come out.
The intention is to replace the element with a 12V ceramic one.
Simon
Simon
Feb 21, 2009, 6:31:31 AM2/21/09
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Swen, Japio
any idea what the correct procedure for removing the heater unit is? I
looked this morning, the unit seems well tucked up under the dashboard
but to some extent seems accessible.
Simon
any idea what the correct procedure for removing the heater unit is? I
looked this morning, the unit seems well tucked up under the dashboard
but to some extent seems accessible.
Simon
Jaap Bant
Feb 21, 2009, 7:14:10 AM2/21/09
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------- Doorgestuurd bericht -------
Van: "Jaap Bant" <jaap...@planet.nl>
Aan: audi...@googlegroups.com
Cc:
Onderwerp: Re: [AudiA2EV] Re: Heater replacement
Datum: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:07:22 +0100
Hello Simon,
Remoing the heater system does indeed mean the complete dash has to be
removed, and the Freshairduct as well
it is however possible to take out the heat exchanger.
This involves removing center console, glovebox, etc.
So by no means an easy job.
Rgds,
Japio
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Simon
Feb 21, 2009, 7:35:59 AM2/21/09
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glovebox is out, center console is pretty much disassembled but not
full out.
Heat exchanger - you mean the lower black box in the photo?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3297450400_567ab550a5.jpg
Looks like lower case comes off with the clips.
Must say I am thinking maybe just to put something like this on...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Powerful-200W-12V-Ceramic-Car-Heater-ID-403_W0QQitemZ390012347068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories?hash=item390012347068&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1689|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308
Simon
> Van: "Jaap Bant" <jaap.b...@planet.nl>
full out.
Heat exchanger - you mean the lower black box in the photo?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3297450400_567ab550a5.jpg
Looks like lower case comes off with the clips.
Must say I am thinking maybe just to put something like this on...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Powerful-200W-12V-Ceramic-Car-Heater-ID-403_W0QQitemZ390012347068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories?hash=item390012347068&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1689|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308
Simon
> Van: "Jaap Bant" <jaap.b...@planet.nl>
Jaap Bant
Feb 21, 2009, 8:01:27 AM2/21/09
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Op Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:35:59 +0100 schreef Simon <aud...@me.com>:
>
> glovebox is out, center console is pretty much disassembled but not
> full out.
>
> Heat exchanger - you mean the lower black box in the photo?
>
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3297450400_567ab550a5.jpg
>
> Looks like lower case comes off with the clips.
>
If you have the lower box out there might be a 900 Watts electric heater
in there already, but above that is the heat exchanger.
blow out the coolant first!
> Must say I am thinking maybe just to put something like this on...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Powerful-200W-12V-Ceramic-Car-Heater-ID-403_W0QQitemZ390012347068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories?hash=item390012347068&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1689|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308
>
200 Watts isn't anywhere near enough to get anything warm in your car.
if you want a proper heating, your best bet would be a webasto or
eberspächer aux. heater. this will use petrol or diesel. (0,2l/h) to give
around 3.5KW off heating output. you connect this to the water circuit of
your original heater and you wil have real audi heating comfort.
Jaap
>
> glovebox is out, center console is pretty much disassembled but not
> full out.
>
> Heat exchanger - you mean the lower black box in the photo?
>
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3297450400_567ab550a5.jpg
>
> Looks like lower case comes off with the clips.
>
in there already, but above that is the heat exchanger.
blow out the coolant first!
> Must say I am thinking maybe just to put something like this on...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Powerful-200W-12V-Ceramic-Car-Heater-ID-403_W0QQitemZ390012347068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories?hash=item390012347068&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1689|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308
>
if you want a proper heating, your best bet would be a webasto or
eberspächer aux. heater. this will use petrol or diesel. (0,2l/h) to give
around 3.5KW off heating output. you connect this to the water circuit of
your original heater and you wil have real audi heating comfort.
Jaap
Simon
Mar 1, 2009, 6:56:19 AM3/1/09
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Looks like the decisions are made at least, now.
First news is I have the heater core out - it was in the lower black
casing shown on the photo. It is liquid (Japio, no electric element).
At least it is out without removing the dashboard. Heater core size is
21x18x4 cm, by the way.
Second, this is a useful but rambling article on it:
http://www.evsource.com/articles/heater_compare.php From this I am
sure I will not go for a Webasto type system - instead I will place a
ceramic system connected into the main pack. Probably just one core.
It might be this one from EV Source, http://www.evsource.com/tls_heaters.php
or maybe two of these - http://www.infraredheaters.com/ceramic.htm#Type%20HFE
maybe in series to cope with the V going up to 360V. This will be 1kW.
Simon
On Feb 21, 2:01 pm, "Jaap Bant" <jaapja...@planet.nl> wrote:
> Op Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:35:59 +0100 schreef Simon <aud...@me.com>:
>
>
>
> > glovebox is out, center console is pretty much disassembled but not
> > full out.
>
> > Heat exchanger - you mean the lower black box in the photo?
>
> >http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3297450400_567ab550a5.jpg
>
> > Looks like lower case comes off with the clips.
>
> If you have the lower box out there might be a 900 Watts electric heater
> in there already, but above that is the heat exchanger.
> blow out the coolant first!
>
> > Must say I am thinking maybe just to put something like this on...
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Powerful-200W-12V-Ceramic-Car-Heater-ID-403_W0Q...66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308
First news is I have the heater core out - it was in the lower black
casing shown on the photo. It is liquid (Japio, no electric element).
At least it is out without removing the dashboard. Heater core size is
21x18x4 cm, by the way.
Second, this is a useful but rambling article on it:
http://www.evsource.com/articles/heater_compare.php From this I am
sure I will not go for a Webasto type system - instead I will place a
ceramic system connected into the main pack. Probably just one core.
It might be this one from EV Source, http://www.evsource.com/tls_heaters.php
or maybe two of these - http://www.infraredheaters.com/ceramic.htm#Type%20HFE
maybe in series to cope with the V going up to 360V. This will be 1kW.
Simon
On Feb 21, 2:01 pm, "Jaap Bant" <jaapja...@planet.nl> wrote:
> Op Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:35:59 +0100 schreef Simon <aud...@me.com>:
>
>
>
> > glovebox is out, center console is pretty much disassembled but not
> > full out.
>
> > Heat exchanger - you mean the lower black box in the photo?
>
> >http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3297450400_567ab550a5.jpg
>
> > Looks like lower case comes off with the clips.
>
> If you have the lower box out there might be a 900 Watts electric heater
> in there already, but above that is the heat exchanger.
> blow out the coolant first!
>
> > Must say I am thinking maybe just to put something like this on...
>
Jaap Bant
Mar 1, 2009, 7:17:54 AM3/1/09
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Hello Simon,
The 900Watts heater I was talking about seems to be an option.
Audi partnumber is: 8Z0 819 011 B for 900Watts ptc type.
Or 8Z0 819 011 A for 1500Watts ptc type.
They will both fit the modified bottom piece 6Q0 819 875 C
I don't know any prices but one of those may save you a lot of work.
if you find a A2 diesel on a scrapyard somewhere there should be one in
there.
Our modelyear 2004 tdi both have 1500Watts heaters.
ofcaurse they all are 12volt
Japio
Op Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:56:19 +0100 schreef Simon <aud...@me.com>:
The 900Watts heater I was talking about seems to be an option.
Audi partnumber is: 8Z0 819 011 B for 900Watts ptc type.
Or 8Z0 819 011 A for 1500Watts ptc type.
They will both fit the modified bottom piece 6Q0 819 875 C
I don't know any prices but one of those may save you a lot of work.
if you find a A2 diesel on a scrapyard somewhere there should be one in
there.
Our modelyear 2004 tdi both have 1500Watts heaters.
ofcaurse they all are 12volt
Japio
Op Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:56:19 +0100 schreef Simon <aud...@me.com>:
Jaap Bant
Mar 1, 2009, 10:15:38 AM3/1/09
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Hello again.
I've just been reading John waylands article (wich is, over ten years
old)and must say that i do not agree with wim on the subject of webasto/
eberspecher heaters.
In all of my cars i bouht new from volkswagen i ordered the webasto option
and have been really satisfied until now.
I know having a fueled boiler in the car is somewhat against all
principles of driving electric, but if you take into account the
efficiency of such a heater system wich gives a real BIG heater output:
converting fuel directly into heat, and the comfort it gives you wen you
need the heat, i myself would still go for webasto.
the sytme has only a small pump and fan to run on E-power, the heat comes
from the fuel.
If you do not want to have the longest driving range from your battery,
than heating electric is a way to go.
I don't want to criticise your disission just want to point out that on
one man bad expirience over ten years ago, there's a lot of positive
expiriences as well.
Happy Converting
Yours in awe
Jaap (japio)
I've just been reading John waylands article (wich is, over ten years
old)and must say that i do not agree with wim on the subject of webasto/
eberspecher heaters.
In all of my cars i bouht new from volkswagen i ordered the webasto option
and have been really satisfied until now.
I know having a fueled boiler in the car is somewhat against all
principles of driving electric, but if you take into account the
efficiency of such a heater system wich gives a real BIG heater output:
converting fuel directly into heat, and the comfort it gives you wen you
need the heat, i myself would still go for webasto.
the sytme has only a small pump and fan to run on E-power, the heat comes
from the fuel.
If you do not want to have the longest driving range from your battery,
than heating electric is a way to go.
I don't want to criticise your disission just want to point out that on
one man bad expirience over ten years ago, there's a lot of positive
expiriences as well.
Happy Converting
Yours in awe
Jaap (japio)
Simon
Mar 1, 2009, 11:37:50 AM3/1/09
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Wow you're right - 1997!! I didn't spot that.
You could well be right re: webasto heaters, I have no direct
experience, just a friend here who has one in his Rover and it is
broken... and has on board electronics... and a pump... and liquid...
and burns hydro-carbon fuel...
So since I have now ripped out the liquid system... I will continue to
go for electric. In fact I have just ordered 3 elements, 400W each,
120V, to wire up in series.
Simon
> >http://www.evsource.com/articles/heater_compare.phpFrom this I am
You could well be right re: webasto heaters, I have no direct
experience, just a friend here who has one in his Rover and it is
broken... and has on board electronics... and a pump... and liquid...
and burns hydro-carbon fuel...
So since I have now ripped out the liquid system... I will continue to
go for electric. In fact I have just ordered 3 elements, 400W each,
120V, to wire up in series.
Simon
> > sure I will not go for a Webasto type system - instead I will place a
> > ceramic system connected into the main pack. Probably just one core.
>
> > It might be this one from EV Source,
> >http://www.evsource.com/tls_heaters.php
> > or maybe two of these -
> >http://www.infraredheaters.com/ceramic.htm#Type%20HFE
> > maybe in series to cope with the V going up to 360V. This will be 1kW.
>
> > Simon
>
> > On Feb 21, 2:01 pm, "Jaap Bant" <jaapja...@planet.nl> wrote:
> >> Op Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:35:59 +0100 schreef Simon <aud...@me.com>:
>
> >> > glovebox is out, center console is pretty much disassembled but not
> >> > full out.
>
> >> > Heat exchanger - you mean the lower black box in the photo?
>
> >> >http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3297450400_567ab550a5.jpg
>
> >> > Looks like lower case comes off with the clips.
>
> >> If you have the lower box out there might be a 900 Watts electric
> >> heater
> >> in there already, but above that is the heat exchanger.
> >> blow out the coolant first!
>
> >> > Must say I am thinking maybe just to put something like this on...
>
> >> >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Powerful-200W-12V-Ceramic-Car-Heater-ID-403_W0Q...65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308
> > ceramic system connected into the main pack. Probably just one core.
>
> > It might be this one from EV Source,
> >http://www.evsource.com/tls_heaters.php
> > or maybe two of these -
> >http://www.infraredheaters.com/ceramic.htm#Type%20HFE
> > maybe in series to cope with the V going up to 360V. This will be 1kW.
>
> > Simon
>
> > On Feb 21, 2:01 pm, "Jaap Bant" <jaapja...@planet.nl> wrote:
> >> Op Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:35:59 +0100 schreef Simon <aud...@me.com>:
>
> >> > glovebox is out, center console is pretty much disassembled but not
> >> > full out.
>
> >> > Heat exchanger - you mean the lower black box in the photo?
>
> >> >http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3297450400_567ab550a5.jpg
>
> >> > Looks like lower case comes off with the clips.
>
> >> If you have the lower box out there might be a 900 Watts electric
> >> heater
> >> in there already, but above that is the heat exchanger.
> >> blow out the coolant first!
>
> >> > Must say I am thinking maybe just to put something like this on...
>
ev01lpz
Mar 5, 2009, 5:38:18 AM3/5/09
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Hello Simon,
I agree to Jaap and follow the same approach in my Audi A2 conversion.
We use a Webasto heater and leave the heat exchanger unchanged.
Instead of the motor cooling cycle some extra tubes and a little
reservoir are build. I use canola oil as fuel and benefit from direct
heat conversion with full comfort.
If you go for electric heating this will definitely reduce range, but
may be Italian winters are not as frosty as Germans and you will
seldom use it.
KR
Swen
> > >http://www.evsource.com/articles/heater_compare.phpFromthis I am
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I agree to Jaap and follow the same approach in my Audi A2 conversion.
We use a Webasto heater and leave the heat exchanger unchanged.
Instead of the motor cooling cycle some extra tubes and a little
reservoir are build. I use canola oil as fuel and benefit from direct
heat conversion with full comfort.
If you go for electric heating this will definitely reduce range, but
may be Italian winters are not as frosty as Germans and you will
seldom use it.
KR
Swen
> > > sure I will not go for a Webasto type system - instead I will place a
> > > ceramic system connected into the main pack. Probably just one core.
>
> > > It might be this one from EV Source,
> > >http://www.evsource.com/tls_heaters.php
> > > or maybe two of these -
> > >http://www.infraredheaters.com/ceramic.htm#Type%20HFE
> > > maybe in series to cope with the V going up to 360V. This will be 1kW.
>
> > > Simon
>
> > > On Feb 21, 2:01 pm, "Jaap Bant" <jaapja...@planet.nl> wrote:
> > >> Op Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:35:59 +0100 schreef Simon <aud...@me.com>:
>
> > >> > glovebox is out, center console is pretty much disassembled but not
> > >> > full out.
>
> > >> > Heat exchanger - you mean the lower black box in the photo?
>
> > >> >http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3297450400_567ab550a5.jpg
>
> > >> > Looks like lower case comes off with the clips.
>
> > >> If you have the lower box out there might be a 900 Watts electric
> > >> heater
> > >> in there already, but above that is the heat exchanger.
> > >> blow out the coolant first!
>
> > >> > Must say I am thinking maybe just to put something like this on...
>
> > >> >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Powerful-200W-12V-Ceramic-Car-Heater-ID-403_W0Q...39%3A1|240%3A1308
> > > ceramic system connected into the main pack. Probably just one core.
>
> > > It might be this one from EV Source,
> > >http://www.evsource.com/tls_heaters.php
> > > or maybe two of these -
> > >http://www.infraredheaters.com/ceramic.htm#Type%20HFE
> > > maybe in series to cope with the V going up to 360V. This will be 1kW.
>
> > > Simon
>
> > > On Feb 21, 2:01 pm, "Jaap Bant" <jaapja...@planet.nl> wrote:
> > >> Op Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:35:59 +0100 schreef Simon <aud...@me.com>:
>
> > >> > glovebox is out, center console is pretty much disassembled but not
> > >> > full out.
>
> > >> > Heat exchanger - you mean the lower black box in the photo?
>
> > >> >http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3297450400_567ab550a5.jpg
>
> > >> > Looks like lower case comes off with the clips.
>
> > >> If you have the lower box out there might be a 900 Watts electric
> > >> heater
> > >> in there already, but above that is the heat exchanger.
> > >> blow out the coolant first!
>
> > >> > Must say I am thinking maybe just to put something like this on...
>
>
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