[ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2760] NAFA vs UFli
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Lori Kroening
May 11, 2010, 7:23:44 PM5/11/10
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Hi there,
I too, feel very disappointed in the decision handed down by NAFA over
the weekend. It does not seem like they just don't "get it". All the
email responses that have come in today are very true. From a team
that plays a fair number of tournament outside of R10, we know how it
feels to run 6-7 races on Saturday and then 4 races on Sunday. It is
true - the entry fee is usually $120 for the weekend/team. However I
think each member of our club feels a bit cheated when we attend a non-
R10 tournament. We happen to like the way things are done around
here :)
With the feeling of disappointment and all that stuff being said, I do
not feel that alot of the members of PFT are ready to jump ship. I
have tried to keep myself up-to-date with alot of U-Fli information
since its beginnings in 2004. Some teams I know from the midwest
U.S., play in both NAFA and U-Fli tournaments. I really like some of
their rules and ideas. However, many PFT members including myself,
have both team and personal goals for our dogs. This is another
reason we travel to out of region tournaments...to help accomplish
these goals. If our Region 10 begins to split and play some NAFA
tournaments and also some U-Fli tournaments, then our already small
number of NAFA tournaments becomes even smaller! Also I am not sure
that our club is prepared to pay the new club fee to U-Fli as well as
the registration of each of our dogs. Many of us, just as some of
you, have 5-6 dogs playing flyball!! We have been able to pay for
their CRN's over time as they get ready to run. But for us to pay all
up front for the registration of our dogs will be difficult.
I speak for myself and those PFT members who I have discussed this
with only - this is not the opinions of the entire club! I think we
all understand the difficulties with NAFA....I, for one, am not ready
to jump ship! I hope you too believe in the establishing group that
got flyball where it is today and we can keep the number of NAFA
tournaments the same or even more! I know that we will do our part!!
Love to hear your views!
Lori
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I too, feel very disappointed in the decision handed down by NAFA over
the weekend. It does not seem like they just don't "get it". All the
email responses that have come in today are very true. From a team
that plays a fair number of tournament outside of R10, we know how it
feels to run 6-7 races on Saturday and then 4 races on Sunday. It is
true - the entry fee is usually $120 for the weekend/team. However I
think each member of our club feels a bit cheated when we attend a non-
R10 tournament. We happen to like the way things are done around
here :)
With the feeling of disappointment and all that stuff being said, I do
not feel that alot of the members of PFT are ready to jump ship. I
have tried to keep myself up-to-date with alot of U-Fli information
since its beginnings in 2004. Some teams I know from the midwest
U.S., play in both NAFA and U-Fli tournaments. I really like some of
their rules and ideas. However, many PFT members including myself,
have both team and personal goals for our dogs. This is another
reason we travel to out of region tournaments...to help accomplish
these goals. If our Region 10 begins to split and play some NAFA
tournaments and also some U-Fli tournaments, then our already small
number of NAFA tournaments becomes even smaller! Also I am not sure
that our club is prepared to pay the new club fee to U-Fli as well as
the registration of each of our dogs. Many of us, just as some of
you, have 5-6 dogs playing flyball!! We have been able to pay for
their CRN's over time as they get ready to run. But for us to pay all
up front for the registration of our dogs will be difficult.
I speak for myself and those PFT members who I have discussed this
with only - this is not the opinions of the entire club! I think we
all understand the difficulties with NAFA....I, for one, am not ready
to jump ship! I hope you too believe in the establishing group that
got flyball where it is today and we can keep the number of NAFA
tournaments the same or even more! I know that we will do our part!!
Love to hear your views!
Lori
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Amanda Joudrey-Leblanc
May 11, 2010, 8:30:20 PM5/11/10
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I personally feel there is value to doing both NAFA & Ufli. I think Ufli has taken alot of the 'flaws' from NAFA and turned them around which I do feel is a very good thing. ;) I had sent out an email to a few people in our region asking their thoughts if we hosted a Ufli tourney and had no negative feed back from the people that responded, I think the idea for singles & pairs and the difference in height dog measuring are all positives.
Reregistration is cheaper than NAFA too, $20 for the club, and $10 per dog. Again like NAFA this is a one time fee. I plan on slowly starting to register my 6 over the next few months. ;)
For me, I have no real goals in place that the dogs I have (mixes, lab, BCs) will ever reach number one of their breed, etc, so for me and my crew it's just simply finding a place to run and play together while also having our opinions valued and respected. I am not feeling that way about NAFA anymore in alot of different ways.
I do completely understand and value that alot of our region has number ones in their breed and that has not come with out alot of time and commitment to which should be celebrated!
I have only competed out of region one time, had a blast, but wouldn't want to run like that weekend after weekend. It is definitely interesting chatting with fellow flyballers out of our region on how their tourneys are run. I do love our "little" region and am so proud of our competitors!
Cheers!
~Amanda
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Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:23 PM
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Subject: [ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2760] NAFA vs UFli
Reregistration is cheaper than NAFA too, $20 for the club, and $10 per dog. Again like NAFA this is a one time fee. I plan on slowly starting to register my 6 over the next few months. ;)
For me, I have no real goals in place that the dogs I have (mixes, lab, BCs) will ever reach number one of their breed, etc, so for me and my crew it's just simply finding a place to run and play together while also having our opinions valued and respected. I am not feeling that way about NAFA anymore in alot of different ways.
I do completely understand and value that alot of our region has number ones in their breed and that has not come with out alot of time and commitment to which should be celebrated!
I have only competed out of region one time, had a blast, but wouldn't want to run like that weekend after weekend. It is definitely interesting chatting with fellow flyballers out of our region on how their tourneys are run. I do love our "little" region and am so proud of our competitors!
Cheers!
~Amanda
________________________________________
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Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:23 PM
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Subject: [ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2760] NAFA vs UFli
jeannie
May 11, 2010, 9:02:30 PM5/11/10
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This isn't about jumping ship this is about options and variety.
U-Fli offers more options. It is different.
There are pairs racing for example.
UFli is a business set up by people that had a huge part in NAFA and got fed
up with beating their heads against a brick wall, no insult I love NAFA
flyball. (Height measuring was one of the things.)
I compare Ufli to CPE in agility. Gives us more not less :o)
We as a Region(as some other regions are also) since I have been involved in
flyball have been isolated from the decisions of NAFA, goes way back to the
old days of flyball chat on Tuesday & Saturday nites when the debating use
to get hot and heavy. Also had some pretty good stuff between Bret(is one of
the founders of UFli) & LN way back then. Kept us all up to date on what was
going one.
It is time as a Region to "LOOK" at going forward trying something new,
something different. If it doesn't work it doesn't work but even I who am
not good with change know it is time to step out of the comfort zone and try
something new.
The writing is on the wall with the Boards decision to not let us have
single RR/Elimination Format. What would that have hurt? Who would that have
hurt? No one or nothing that I can think of, they didn't even have the
decency or respect to give a reason that made "sense".
I say bring on Ufli and lets "find" out what our options are.
Jeannie & 7 dogs maybe Ceitie will like Ufli singles & doubles :o)
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[mailto:atlantic...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lori Kroening
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:24 PM
To: Atlantic Flyball
Subject: [ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2760] NAFA vs UFli
U-Fli offers more options. It is different.
There are pairs racing for example.
UFli is a business set up by people that had a huge part in NAFA and got fed
up with beating their heads against a brick wall, no insult I love NAFA
flyball. (Height measuring was one of the things.)
I compare Ufli to CPE in agility. Gives us more not less :o)
We as a Region(as some other regions are also) since I have been involved in
flyball have been isolated from the decisions of NAFA, goes way back to the
old days of flyball chat on Tuesday & Saturday nites when the debating use
to get hot and heavy. Also had some pretty good stuff between Bret(is one of
the founders of UFli) & LN way back then. Kept us all up to date on what was
going one.
It is time as a Region to "LOOK" at going forward trying something new,
something different. If it doesn't work it doesn't work but even I who am
not good with change know it is time to step out of the comfort zone and try
something new.
The writing is on the wall with the Boards decision to not let us have
single RR/Elimination Format. What would that have hurt? Who would that have
hurt? No one or nothing that I can think of, they didn't even have the
decency or respect to give a reason that made "sense".
I say bring on Ufli and lets "find" out what our options are.
Jeannie & 7 dogs maybe Ceitie will like Ufli singles & doubles :o)
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[mailto:atlantic...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lori Kroening
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:24 PM
To: Atlantic Flyball
Subject: [ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2760] NAFA vs UFli
Andrea
May 12, 2010, 7:31:17 AM5/12/10
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Adding UFLI will take away from NAFA tournaments. What is the point of
holding one UFLI tournament a year? For those who enjoy it and start
building points towards titles, they will naturally want more. More
UFLI tournaments will be added. Less NAFA tournaments will be held.
It appears as though we’re adding more choices, but we’re actually
eliminating NAFA tournaments by holding UFLI ones. Clubs would now
have to choose, do we host NAFA or UFLI? Or one of each for those
clubs that hold multiple tournaments a year. If a club chooses only to
hold NAFA tournaments will that upset people that are working toward
UFLI goals? Will a club that’s choosing to hold UFLI be upsetting
people who are working toward NAFA titles? Will this possibly cause a
split between UFLI clubs (those who host UFLI) and NAFA clubs (those
choosing to stick with NAFA). Will anyone feel cheated that they have
less chance at working toward their titles/goals?
I’m just throwing these points out there for discussion. My own
personal opinion is that right now I’m in a “screw NAFA” mood and
would gladly support UFLI. When the fire dies down a little though, I
would remember that even though I run a border collie and have no
chance of winning a breed placement, I am working toward a point goal.
Blaise was retired with 25,000 points after 6 years of racing. I never
made it to 30,000. This didn’t bother me because I figured I could get
a plaque with Zedd. This has become my NAFA goal. Would there be other
goals to work towards in UFLI? Absolutely. I look forward to working
towards new goals and challenges in UFLI, but there’s no question that
adding UFLI will reduce opportunity to work on goals for both.
What about judges? Would it be viable to always have to fly a judge
in? Are there individuals in this region who are interested/willing in
putting in the time and effort to become a UFLI judge? One of the
great things about this region and NAFA racing is that we have a rich
supply of fantastic judges. Bringing in judges is easy and, with
several who are always willing to lend a hand, no one judge has to
give up their racing weekend as there are others to step in and cover
their races. Would we be able to build up a supply of trained judges?
What about regional placements? There is a rule in place for regions
that host less than 7 tournament weeks (which would be likely as we
currently only have 8 or 9 in our region a year) that would allow
teams to accumulate points over more than one day per weekend. Would
this have any impact on the quest for regional championship? For
example if a club was unable to send a team to one of the NAFA
tournaments would this seriously limit their chances at the
championship? These are things I don’t know but, again, am just
throwing out.
I am just tossing out these random thoughts (typed while watching Glee
so I had to edit out the parts that sounded like show tunes). I will
continue to support NAFA and work toward the goals that I have started
there, even though I am very disappointed in them at the moment. I am
also willing to register my dog with UFLI and check out a UFLI
tournament as well. I’m confident I could find competition and goals
to work toward there too. In the end, I will go wherever there is a
mat available and a judge willing to be patient while I try to extract
the tug toy from my dog’s jaws :)
Andrea
F.A.M.E.
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holding one UFLI tournament a year? For those who enjoy it and start
building points towards titles, they will naturally want more. More
UFLI tournaments will be added. Less NAFA tournaments will be held.
It appears as though we’re adding more choices, but we’re actually
eliminating NAFA tournaments by holding UFLI ones. Clubs would now
have to choose, do we host NAFA or UFLI? Or one of each for those
clubs that hold multiple tournaments a year. If a club chooses only to
hold NAFA tournaments will that upset people that are working toward
UFLI goals? Will a club that’s choosing to hold UFLI be upsetting
people who are working toward NAFA titles? Will this possibly cause a
split between UFLI clubs (those who host UFLI) and NAFA clubs (those
choosing to stick with NAFA). Will anyone feel cheated that they have
less chance at working toward their titles/goals?
I’m just throwing these points out there for discussion. My own
personal opinion is that right now I’m in a “screw NAFA” mood and
would gladly support UFLI. When the fire dies down a little though, I
would remember that even though I run a border collie and have no
chance of winning a breed placement, I am working toward a point goal.
Blaise was retired with 25,000 points after 6 years of racing. I never
made it to 30,000. This didn’t bother me because I figured I could get
a plaque with Zedd. This has become my NAFA goal. Would there be other
goals to work towards in UFLI? Absolutely. I look forward to working
towards new goals and challenges in UFLI, but there’s no question that
adding UFLI will reduce opportunity to work on goals for both.
What about judges? Would it be viable to always have to fly a judge
in? Are there individuals in this region who are interested/willing in
putting in the time and effort to become a UFLI judge? One of the
great things about this region and NAFA racing is that we have a rich
supply of fantastic judges. Bringing in judges is easy and, with
several who are always willing to lend a hand, no one judge has to
give up their racing weekend as there are others to step in and cover
their races. Would we be able to build up a supply of trained judges?
What about regional placements? There is a rule in place for regions
that host less than 7 tournament weeks (which would be likely as we
currently only have 8 or 9 in our region a year) that would allow
teams to accumulate points over more than one day per weekend. Would
this have any impact on the quest for regional championship? For
example if a club was unable to send a team to one of the NAFA
tournaments would this seriously limit their chances at the
championship? These are things I don’t know but, again, am just
throwing out.
I am just tossing out these random thoughts (typed while watching Glee
so I had to edit out the parts that sounded like show tunes). I will
continue to support NAFA and work toward the goals that I have started
there, even though I am very disappointed in them at the moment. I am
also willing to register my dog with UFLI and check out a UFLI
tournament as well. I’m confident I could find competition and goals
to work toward there too. In the end, I will go wherever there is a
mat available and a judge willing to be patient while I try to extract
the tug toy from my dog’s jaws :)
Andrea
F.A.M.E.
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> p...@accesswave.ca
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Darryl & Suzanne Goyetche
May 12, 2010, 8:56:09 AM5/12/10
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I have been reading all the posts re the flyball rules and the
disappointments of not being heard about concerns with number of races,
etc. As a person who got into flyball because I had a dog who needed to use
his brain more and get more exercise and to socialize I have never felt the
need to get points or pins or titles. I would not be human if I did not
indeed enjoy getting all those things when the occur but I don't go after
them. I attend tournaments to play with my dog, be with other people, travel
and get away from the stresses of the work a day world. In other words it is
for my dogs and myself to have some fun, without the politics of the world
crowding in and without having to fret about following a whole bunch of man
made rules.
Watching this all unfold as to how many races we run or do not run, which
great power of rules we subscribe to, I see a trend that has happened with
many of our individual clubs, once the clubs started to get "ruled to death"
and once some of the members wanted to compete for the sake of the points
instead of the sake of the dog or the people and fun, the clubs start to
fight amongst themselves and thus split and go in separate directions, some
happily some not so. I sit back now and watch that unfolding with the
NAFA/Ufli split. So sad when politics gets into what should be a fun sport
FOR DOGS! The dogs don't give a hoot, but they are at the mercy of their
owners to make sure they get to play the game. They really do not care how
many times they run, if they get a pin or 30,000 points more or less, they
just want to be with us and have fun.
I'll play and attend whatever the political decision makers do, but in the
meantime I will pray that all of this does not ruin what should be a fun
thing FOR DOGS. Just had to express my fears of where all this seems to be
leading to..... Suzanne proud owner of two great dogs who would rather get a
stuffed toy for a prize than any amount of points.
______________________________
Darryl & Suzanne Goyetche
1018 Dever Rd.
Saint John, N.B. E2M 4J3
Ph. (506)649-0999
E-Mail: goye...@nbnet.nb.ca
Web Site: www.goyetche.ca
disappointments of not being heard about concerns with number of races,
etc. As a person who got into flyball because I had a dog who needed to use
his brain more and get more exercise and to socialize I have never felt the
need to get points or pins or titles. I would not be human if I did not
indeed enjoy getting all those things when the occur but I don't go after
them. I attend tournaments to play with my dog, be with other people, travel
and get away from the stresses of the work a day world. In other words it is
for my dogs and myself to have some fun, without the politics of the world
crowding in and without having to fret about following a whole bunch of man
made rules.
Watching this all unfold as to how many races we run or do not run, which
great power of rules we subscribe to, I see a trend that has happened with
many of our individual clubs, once the clubs started to get "ruled to death"
and once some of the members wanted to compete for the sake of the points
instead of the sake of the dog or the people and fun, the clubs start to
fight amongst themselves and thus split and go in separate directions, some
happily some not so. I sit back now and watch that unfolding with the
NAFA/Ufli split. So sad when politics gets into what should be a fun sport
FOR DOGS! The dogs don't give a hoot, but they are at the mercy of their
owners to make sure they get to play the game. They really do not care how
many times they run, if they get a pin or 30,000 points more or less, they
just want to be with us and have fun.
I'll play and attend whatever the political decision makers do, but in the
meantime I will pray that all of this does not ruin what should be a fun
thing FOR DOGS. Just had to express my fears of where all this seems to be
leading to..... Suzanne proud owner of two great dogs who would rather get a
stuffed toy for a prize than any amount of points.
______________________________
Darryl & Suzanne Goyetche
1018 Dever Rd.
Saint John, N.B. E2M 4J3
Ph. (506)649-0999
E-Mail: goye...@nbnet.nb.ca
Web Site: www.goyetche.ca
Amanda Joudrey-Leblanc
May 12, 2010, 9:15:26 AM5/12/10
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Great points Andrea! I chatted with Danielle at length about these questions and I think it best to respond below them to make it easier reading :)
~a
________________________________________
Adding UFLI will take away from NAFA tournaments. What is the point of
holding one UFLI tournament a year? For those who enjoy it and start
building points towards titles, they will naturally want more. More
UFLI tournaments will be added. Less NAFA tournaments will be held.
It appears as though we’re adding more choices, but we’re actually
eliminating NAFA tournaments by holding UFLI ones. Clubs would now
have to choose, do we host NAFA or UFLI? Or one of each for those
clubs that hold multiple tournaments a year. If a club chooses only to
hold NAFA tournaments will that upset people that are working toward
UFLI goals? Will a club that’s choosing to hold UFLI be upsetting
people who are working toward NAFA titles? Will this possibly cause a
split between UFLI clubs (those who host UFLI) and NAFA clubs (those
choosing to stick with NAFA). Will anyone feel cheated that they have
less chance at working toward their titles/goals?
**** Right now what we are simply doing is looking to try Ufli and see how it goes. We certainly won't be changing out already existing NAFA tournament into a Ufli tournament. Should we host a Ufli in October it will be an addition and not taking away what we already have. My thoughts are if we try it and enjoy it, then yes perhaps in 2011 Ufli will pick up in the Maritimes, maybe it won't? I would think/hope that the number of NAFA tournaments will remain the same with maybe a few Ufli tournaments being added to the list. I personally love alot of the things Ufli offers and would love to give it a go! I would hope that no one would be upset should we chose to do a Ufli tournament, that would be in my opinion disappointing to say the least, as it wouldn't be taking away from anything, only adding opportunities. Ufli certainly makes it alot easier to host tournaments - including doing up the schedule, sending a representative to score the tournament on site immediately, and not to mention you receive your pins and such the weekend they are earned, there is no wait. All very different than NAFA. I am NOT a NAFA hater, again, disappointed but not a hater, I will still go and have fun with my pups and be quite happy doing so.
I’m just throwing these points out there for discussion. My own
personal opinion is that right now I’m in a “screw NAFA” mood and
would gladly support UFLI. When the fire dies down a little though, I
would remember that even though I run a border collie and have no
chance of winning a breed placement, I am working toward a point goal.
Blaise was retired with 25,000 points after 6 years of racing. I never
made it to 30,000. This didn’t bother me because I figured I could get
a plaque with Zedd. This has become my NAFA goal. Would there be other
goals to work towards in UFLI? Absolutely. I look forward to working
towards new goals and challenges in UFLI, but there’s no question that
adding UFLI will reduce opportunity to work on goals for both.
What about judges? Would it be viable to always have to fly a judge
in? Are there individuals in this region who are interested/willing in
putting in the time and effort to become a UFLI judge? One of the
great things about this region and NAFA racing is that we have a rich
supply of fantastic judges. Bringing in judges is easy and, with
several who are always willing to lend a hand, no one judge has to
give up their racing weekend as there are others to step in and cover
their races. Would we be able to build up a supply of trained judges?
**** I would reallllllllllllllllly hope that should Ufli take off in our area that our fantastic NAFA judges would be interested in becoming a Ufli judge. I'm going to quote Danielle here as I just specifically asked her about judging:
"NAFA Approved (or Supervising) judges in good standing can apply to become U-FLI judges and earn their U-FLI Head Judge status by successfully completing one qualification weekend under a U-FLI Training Judge at a U-FLI tournament. Yes, that would mean that your judges would likely need to be willing to travel to the US for a weekend to complete said qualification weekend but that is all they have to do. NAFA doesn't offer the same reciprocity to U-FLI judges, btw. As I became a U-FLI judge first, I still had to go through the full NAFA training program to get my NAFA judging status. Needless to say, it was a costly venture."
What about regional placements? There is a rule in place for regions
that host less than 7 tournament weeks (which would be likely as we
currently only have 8 or 9 in our region a year) that would allow
teams to accumulate points over more than one day per weekend. Would
this have any impact on the quest for regional championship? For
example if a club was unable to send a team to one of the NAFA
tournaments would this seriously limit their chances at the
championship? These are things I don’t know but, again, am just
throwing out.
**** There are no regions in Ufli. They don't want the division between competitors. As well in Ufli the Division 1 teams aren't the only teams who are recognized in championships! How nice would it be for those of us who compete happily and proudly in Division 2 and 3 to be equally as recognized with our dogs who do their very best too.
I am just tossing out these random thoughts (typed while watching Glee
so I had to edit out the parts that sounded like show tunes). I will
continue to support NAFA and work toward the goals that I have started
there, even though I am very disappointed in them at the moment. I am
also willing to register my dog with UFLI and check out a UFLI
tournament as well. I’m confident I could find competition and goals
to work toward there too. In the end, I will go wherever there is a
mat available and a judge willing to be patient while I try to extract
the tug toy from my dog’s jaws :)
Andrea
F.A.M.E.
~a
________________________________________
Adding UFLI will take away from NAFA tournaments. What is the point of
holding one UFLI tournament a year? For those who enjoy it and start
building points towards titles, they will naturally want more. More
UFLI tournaments will be added. Less NAFA tournaments will be held.
It appears as though we’re adding more choices, but we’re actually
eliminating NAFA tournaments by holding UFLI ones. Clubs would now
have to choose, do we host NAFA or UFLI? Or one of each for those
clubs that hold multiple tournaments a year. If a club chooses only to
hold NAFA tournaments will that upset people that are working toward
UFLI goals? Will a club that’s choosing to hold UFLI be upsetting
people who are working toward NAFA titles? Will this possibly cause a
split between UFLI clubs (those who host UFLI) and NAFA clubs (those
choosing to stick with NAFA). Will anyone feel cheated that they have
less chance at working toward their titles/goals?
I’m just throwing these points out there for discussion. My own
personal opinion is that right now I’m in a “screw NAFA” mood and
would gladly support UFLI. When the fire dies down a little though, I
would remember that even though I run a border collie and have no
chance of winning a breed placement, I am working toward a point goal.
Blaise was retired with 25,000 points after 6 years of racing. I never
made it to 30,000. This didn’t bother me because I figured I could get
a plaque with Zedd. This has become my NAFA goal. Would there be other
goals to work towards in UFLI? Absolutely. I look forward to working
towards new goals and challenges in UFLI, but there’s no question that
adding UFLI will reduce opportunity to work on goals for both.
What about judges? Would it be viable to always have to fly a judge
in? Are there individuals in this region who are interested/willing in
putting in the time and effort to become a UFLI judge? One of the
great things about this region and NAFA racing is that we have a rich
supply of fantastic judges. Bringing in judges is easy and, with
several who are always willing to lend a hand, no one judge has to
give up their racing weekend as there are others to step in and cover
their races. Would we be able to build up a supply of trained judges?
"NAFA Approved (or Supervising) judges in good standing can apply to become U-FLI judges and earn their U-FLI Head Judge status by successfully completing one qualification weekend under a U-FLI Training Judge at a U-FLI tournament. Yes, that would mean that your judges would likely need to be willing to travel to the US for a weekend to complete said qualification weekend but that is all they have to do. NAFA doesn't offer the same reciprocity to U-FLI judges, btw. As I became a U-FLI judge first, I still had to go through the full NAFA training program to get my NAFA judging status. Needless to say, it was a costly venture."
What about regional placements? There is a rule in place for regions
that host less than 7 tournament weeks (which would be likely as we
currently only have 8 or 9 in our region a year) that would allow
teams to accumulate points over more than one day per weekend. Would
this have any impact on the quest for regional championship? For
example if a club was unable to send a team to one of the NAFA
tournaments would this seriously limit their chances at the
championship? These are things I don’t know but, again, am just
throwing out.
I am just tossing out these random thoughts (typed while watching Glee
so I had to edit out the parts that sounded like show tunes). I will
continue to support NAFA and work toward the goals that I have started
there, even though I am very disappointed in them at the moment. I am
also willing to register my dog with UFLI and check out a UFLI
tournament as well. I’m confident I could find competition and goals
to work toward there too. In the end, I will go wherever there is a
mat available and a judge willing to be patient while I try to extract
the tug toy from my dog’s jaws :)
Andrea
F.A.M.E.
Andrea
May 12, 2010, 10:59:58 AM5/12/10
to Atlantic Flyball
Thanks Amanda. That is good to know about the judges. I'm just playing
devil's advocate here to get dialogue going, I don't actually have the
answers to most of these questions :) Sounds like it would be much
simpler to become a UFLI judge than I would have guessed! I'm sure
that there would be some interest in the region. Should there not be
enough judges willing to become UFLI judges what is the judging
program like at UFLI as opposed to NAFA?
While at the present moment UFLI is just going to be tested in the
region and not take away from NAFA tournaments, it is logical to
assume that many will be interested in it and that it will take off.
You are right in that it offers lots of extra ways for competitiors to
achieve their "flyball zen". Lower jump heights, champions across
divisions, single dog racing (so excited to try that!). It definitely
has lots to offer. Assuming that it takes off however it ultimately
will detract from NAFA tournaments.
Many clubs feel maxed out as far as hosting tournaments now. It would
come down to a choice of "do we offer NAFA or UFLI". For those clubs
willing to take on an extra tournament and present UFLI in addition to
their NAFA tournament it would add more choices for competitors (not a
bad thing) and some people, such as myself, might have to choose. Do I
go to the UFLI tournament this month or the NAFA one? As it stands
right now we have one tournament a month. This is at the upper limit
for what I can afford (and actually am only doing that this year by
the kindness of others!). If there was more than one tournament a
month I would have to choose. My choice would actually not be based on
whether it was UFLI or NAFA but would come down to location and cost.
The point is, if more tournaments are held, choices might have to be
made by some participants. Is this a bad thing? I never think choice
is a bad thing but in a region this small it *may* cause issues down
the road for some clubs?
With regards to the divisonal placement, I was referring to NAFA
placment. Some teams may still want to try for NAFA Regional
Championship. If UFLI takes off and fewer NAFA tournaments are held
(because clubs want to support UFLI as well but can't take on
additional tournaments) will this affect the teams trying for NAFA
regional championship? Or will these teams be just as happy being
crowned with a UFLI reward?
I think we also have to acknowledge that everyone races for a differnt
reason (this is sort of off the UFLI/NAFA discussion). Yes the primary
reason is to do something fun with your dog and to make them happy. I
don't think a single person that plays this sport would dispute that.
It is, however, a competitive sport and we have to acknowledge that
some people play to win a regional championship or be #1 in their
division. Others play simply to do the best they can do. Others play
to earn points, titles and breed standings. All of these are
acceptable goals, even if they are not yours.
With Blaise, I openly admit I ran for points and titles. Blaise was a
rescue dog that started flyball to help him get over some fears (we're
still working but are leaps and bounds better!). To me, having the
plaque, or the honor of having him as the #4 flat coat meant something
to me as it was an acknowledgement of the work that we did as a team
to help him lead a better life. Racing with Zedd I care less about the
certificates and points. With him I race to improve his times, I enjoy
training to get the most I can from him and I run with the aim to have
perfect starts and perfect passes. None of these things were ever
goals with Blaise. Each dog is different and we run with each of them
for different reasons. At the end of the day, no matter what our
goals, we have all spent quality time with our best friends (both four
legged and two!) I think both NAFA and UFLI offer all of these same
opportunities.
*back to UFLI/NAFA diccussion*
I'm open to UFLI myself. Just tossing out some more tidbits to get the
discussion going. I think that NAFA and UFLI do coexist well in some
areas but our region has always been special. As a smaller region
should we consider what the implications are for the future? Choice is
excellent but would we have too many choices and spread competitors
thin? How many tournaments would people like to see a year? What is
the maximum? Minimum? Would clubs be willing to host UFLI in addition
to NAFA or would it be in place of? Are there clubs that would not
host UFLI? Would people be willing to travel to more than one
tournament in one month? If not, will this take away from some clubs
entries?I think UFLI has a real chance to take off but these might be
some questions that we want to think about.
I'm looking forward to trying UFLI and in no way am I trying to
discourage that. As I said, my goals are to do my best (and teach Zedd
to drop the darn tug!!) and these can be done in either venue. Just
tossing out some points to ponder :)
Andrea
F.A.M.E
On May 12, 10:15 am, Amanda Joudrey-Leblanc <ama...@seabright.ca>
wrote:
> For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.ca/group/Atlantic_Flyball
>
> Atlantic Flyball is not affiliated with NAFA, U-FLI or any other organization. Atlantic Flyball is owned and moderated by Paul Perrin ~ p...@accesswave.ca
devil's advocate here to get dialogue going, I don't actually have the
answers to most of these questions :) Sounds like it would be much
simpler to become a UFLI judge than I would have guessed! I'm sure
that there would be some interest in the region. Should there not be
enough judges willing to become UFLI judges what is the judging
program like at UFLI as opposed to NAFA?
While at the present moment UFLI is just going to be tested in the
region and not take away from NAFA tournaments, it is logical to
assume that many will be interested in it and that it will take off.
You are right in that it offers lots of extra ways for competitiors to
achieve their "flyball zen". Lower jump heights, champions across
divisions, single dog racing (so excited to try that!). It definitely
has lots to offer. Assuming that it takes off however it ultimately
will detract from NAFA tournaments.
Many clubs feel maxed out as far as hosting tournaments now. It would
come down to a choice of "do we offer NAFA or UFLI". For those clubs
willing to take on an extra tournament and present UFLI in addition to
their NAFA tournament it would add more choices for competitors (not a
bad thing) and some people, such as myself, might have to choose. Do I
go to the UFLI tournament this month or the NAFA one? As it stands
right now we have one tournament a month. This is at the upper limit
for what I can afford (and actually am only doing that this year by
the kindness of others!). If there was more than one tournament a
month I would have to choose. My choice would actually not be based on
whether it was UFLI or NAFA but would come down to location and cost.
The point is, if more tournaments are held, choices might have to be
made by some participants. Is this a bad thing? I never think choice
is a bad thing but in a region this small it *may* cause issues down
the road for some clubs?
With regards to the divisonal placement, I was referring to NAFA
placment. Some teams may still want to try for NAFA Regional
Championship. If UFLI takes off and fewer NAFA tournaments are held
(because clubs want to support UFLI as well but can't take on
additional tournaments) will this affect the teams trying for NAFA
regional championship? Or will these teams be just as happy being
crowned with a UFLI reward?
I think we also have to acknowledge that everyone races for a differnt
reason (this is sort of off the UFLI/NAFA discussion). Yes the primary
reason is to do something fun with your dog and to make them happy. I
don't think a single person that plays this sport would dispute that.
It is, however, a competitive sport and we have to acknowledge that
some people play to win a regional championship or be #1 in their
division. Others play simply to do the best they can do. Others play
to earn points, titles and breed standings. All of these are
acceptable goals, even if they are not yours.
With Blaise, I openly admit I ran for points and titles. Blaise was a
rescue dog that started flyball to help him get over some fears (we're
still working but are leaps and bounds better!). To me, having the
plaque, or the honor of having him as the #4 flat coat meant something
to me as it was an acknowledgement of the work that we did as a team
to help him lead a better life. Racing with Zedd I care less about the
certificates and points. With him I race to improve his times, I enjoy
training to get the most I can from him and I run with the aim to have
perfect starts and perfect passes. None of these things were ever
goals with Blaise. Each dog is different and we run with each of them
for different reasons. At the end of the day, no matter what our
goals, we have all spent quality time with our best friends (both four
legged and two!) I think both NAFA and UFLI offer all of these same
opportunities.
*back to UFLI/NAFA diccussion*
I'm open to UFLI myself. Just tossing out some more tidbits to get the
discussion going. I think that NAFA and UFLI do coexist well in some
areas but our region has always been special. As a smaller region
should we consider what the implications are for the future? Choice is
excellent but would we have too many choices and spread competitors
thin? How many tournaments would people like to see a year? What is
the maximum? Minimum? Would clubs be willing to host UFLI in addition
to NAFA or would it be in place of? Are there clubs that would not
host UFLI? Would people be willing to travel to more than one
tournament in one month? If not, will this take away from some clubs
entries?I think UFLI has a real chance to take off but these might be
some questions that we want to think about.
I'm looking forward to trying UFLI and in no way am I trying to
discourage that. As I said, my goals are to do my best (and teach Zedd
to drop the darn tug!!) and these can be done in either venue. Just
tossing out some points to ponder :)
Andrea
F.A.M.E
On May 12, 10:15 am, Amanda Joudrey-Leblanc <ama...@seabright.ca>
wrote:
>
> Atlantic Flyball is not affiliated with NAFA, U-FLI or any other organization. Atlantic Flyball is owned and moderated by Paul Perrin ~ p...@accesswave.ca
jeannie
May 12, 2010, 11:42:53 AM5/12/10
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Hi Suzanne,
Basically I just want to give it a try. Our girl Ceitie doesn't really like
flyball anymore, too many times crossed on and at her age and having
retrained her 2 times already, we won't race her unless we have no other dog
or she is needed to just fill in here and there and can run last behind
Charlie or a small dog. This has made Morris very sad he loved running
Ceitie, well until she tripped him last year in Cornwall <LOL> :o)
I am using Ceitie as an example. I am hoping she can run and have fun in the
singles and doubles UFli offers. I am also hoping for some nice drag racing
with my new boy, just a couple of examples.
I love flyball the way it is and I go for the reasons u do :o) that’s what
makes flyball so much fun , I LOVE watching the division one teams race each
other and see the amazing dogs and training that has gone into them. I am
very proud of this small region and their number 1 dog placements.
My most fun has always been the division I race in with Charlie, so many
laughs.
Jeannie :o)
Basically I just want to give it a try. Our girl Ceitie doesn't really like
flyball anymore, too many times crossed on and at her age and having
retrained her 2 times already, we won't race her unless we have no other dog
or she is needed to just fill in here and there and can run last behind
Charlie or a small dog. This has made Morris very sad he loved running
Ceitie, well until she tripped him last year in Cornwall <LOL> :o)
I am using Ceitie as an example. I am hoping she can run and have fun in the
singles and doubles UFli offers. I am also hoping for some nice drag racing
with my new boy, just a couple of examples.
I love flyball the way it is and I go for the reasons u do :o) that’s what
makes flyball so much fun , I LOVE watching the division one teams race each
other and see the amazing dogs and training that has gone into them. I am
very proud of this small region and their number 1 dog placements.
My most fun has always been the division I race in with Charlie, so many
laughs.
Jeannie :o)
Amanda Joudrey-Leblanc
May 12, 2010, 11:48:42 AM5/12/10
to atlantic...@googlegroups.com
Again Andrea you bring up some very valid points. I feel that they can't properly or fairly be answered however until those of us who want to try UFli try it and see what the pros and cons are.
I will say that regardless of whether or not our region hosts more than one tournament per month, being NAFA or UFli, people (like myself) who financially can't do all the tournaments, will have to make decisions. I just think it's important to point it out that perhaps by 2011/2012 there will be two flyball tournaments in our area in the spring/summer/fall months, at that point for me, I'll have to chose which to go to regardless of which organization the tournament is held under. That is unless I win the lottery! ;)
I am personally extremely interested in singles & pairs. I want to push some of my younger dogs and I think that will help do it!
~a
I will say that regardless of whether or not our region hosts more than one tournament per month, being NAFA or UFli, people (like myself) who financially can't do all the tournaments, will have to make decisions. I just think it's important to point it out that perhaps by 2011/2012 there will be two flyball tournaments in our area in the spring/summer/fall months, at that point for me, I'll have to chose which to go to regardless of which organization the tournament is held under. That is unless I win the lottery! ;)
I am personally extremely interested in singles & pairs. I want to push some of my younger dogs and I think that will help do it!
~a
Andrea
May 12, 2010, 2:16:22 PM5/12/10
to Atlantic Flyball
I am done playing devils advocate I swear ;) I do have a couple of
quick questions though about UFLI itself that you might be able to
answer?
Like others, one of the things that intrigues me about UFLI is the
single and pair racing. I'm curious, is single and pair racing offered
separately from the regular racing and run at a different time or are
those races intertwined with regular racing? For example, would you
see two teams run, then have two single dogs run, then a few teams,
then a pair, then teams, etc. Or would you run regular team racing and
then start single dog racing at the close of that (similar to how we
do green dog)?
Also, I'm wondering in pairs are you required to have a height dog as
one of your two dogs or can you run two big dogs? If you can run two
big dogs do you run at maximum height or at the 6 inch height?
Thanks!
Andrea
On May 12, 12:48 pm, Amanda Joudrey-Leblanc <ama...@seabright.ca>
wrote:
>
> Atlantic Flyball is not affiliated with NAFA, U-FLI or any other organization. Atlantic Flyball is owned and moderated by Paul Perrin ~ p...@accesswave.ca
quick questions though about UFLI itself that you might be able to
answer?
Like others, one of the things that intrigues me about UFLI is the
single and pair racing. I'm curious, is single and pair racing offered
separately from the regular racing and run at a different time or are
those races intertwined with regular racing? For example, would you
see two teams run, then have two single dogs run, then a few teams,
then a pair, then teams, etc. Or would you run regular team racing and
then start single dog racing at the close of that (similar to how we
do green dog)?
Also, I'm wondering in pairs are you required to have a height dog as
one of your two dogs or can you run two big dogs? If you can run two
big dogs do you run at maximum height or at the 6 inch height?
Thanks!
Andrea
On May 12, 12:48 pm, Amanda Joudrey-Leblanc <ama...@seabright.ca>
wrote:
> Again Andrea you bring up some very valid points. I feel that they can't properly or fairly be answered however until those of us who want to try UFli try it and see what the pros and cons are.
>
> I will say that regardless of whether or not our region hosts more than one tournament per month, being NAFA or UFli, people (like myself) who financially can't do all the tournaments, will have to make decisions. I just think it's important to point it out that perhaps by 2011/2012 there will be two flyball tournaments in our area in the spring/summer/fall months, at that point for me, I'll have to chose which to go to regardless of which organization the tournament is held under. That is unless I win the lottery! ;)
>
> I am personally extremely interested in singles & pairs. I want to push some of my younger dogs and I think that will help do it!
>
> ~a
>
> --
> ATLANTIC FLYBALL - Where Atlantic Canada Comes To Play!
> For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.ca/group/Atlantic_Flyball
>
> I will say that regardless of whether or not our region hosts more than one tournament per month, being NAFA or UFli, people (like myself) who financially can't do all the tournaments, will have to make decisions. I just think it's important to point it out that perhaps by 2011/2012 there will be two flyball tournaments in our area in the spring/summer/fall months, at that point for me, I'll have to chose which to go to regardless of which organization the tournament is held under. That is unless I win the lottery! ;)
>
> I am personally extremely interested in singles & pairs. I want to push some of my younger dogs and I think that will help do it!
>
> ~a
>
> --
> ATLANTIC FLYBALL - Where Atlantic Canada Comes To Play!
>
> Atlantic Flyball is not affiliated with NAFA, U-FLI or any other organization. Atlantic Flyball is owned and moderated by Paul Perrin ~ p...@accesswave.ca
Amanda Joudrey-Leblanc
May 12, 2010, 2:26:29 PM5/12/10
to atlantic...@googlegroups.com
LOL no harm in asking questions! Education is good! ;) I'm going to send the email that I sent out to some people in the region for their thoughts as it will explain some of these questions and a few others :)
***********************
Ufli has alot of really interesting "rules" that are way more "user"
friendly than NAFA. Height dogs are measured by the long bone in their
front leg vs including their whole chest, so some "bigger" dogs may well be
a Ufli height dog. A friends team has a 10" JRT height dog in NAFA, but
only jumps 7" in Ufli. Ufli minimum jump heights are 6, maximum of 12.
Height dogs are measured once and then put in a database and never have to
be measured again - there are no discrepancies when measuring a bone after
all! ;)
There are 4 classes of racing standard (regular), variety (multi), singles
& pairs. Singles and pairs racing you chose whatever jump height you want
to jump. These forms of racing are great opportunities for young/green
dogs as well as pushing some of your other dogs that you may want to get
more out of. You do earn titles in singles & pairs too! You can compete
your dog up to 3 classes of racing.
Should a dog on your team shut down or become injured, you have the
opportunity to put a different dog on that team in the injured/shut down
dogs place. The only stipulation is that it can't already be racing in
that class of racing. You will still get your points too! You just won't
get divisional placement.
As well they have pick up teams. Pick up teams are similar to open in
NAFA. The only difference is they don't run in a separate class. So pick
up teams compete against other similar seeded teams not in a class of their
own. Much better racing opportunities!
Ufli doesn't just recognize division 1 fastest teams as champions! They
acknowledge all different time divisions and teams are awarded as such!
Yayyyyy valuation to the other divisions makes me quite happy! There are
also no regions in Ufli.
For you point crazy people, you don't just get points for times! You also
get points for wins! So the benefit is there for winning even more so! ;)
Pins are awarded at the end of each tournament instead of waiting months to
receive them! A Ufli representative attends the tournament, SCORES the
tournament (TDs only need to do the seeding chart! Ufli handles the
schedule make up!) and awards pins, etc at the end of it! How nice is that!
The only glitch in this is that all clubs must be re-registered with Ufli,
as well as all dogs. CRNs in NAFA are RUN (Race Utility Number) in Ufli
and costs $10/dog as a one time fee. Club registration is $20 and a one
time fee as well.
There are 2 Ufli judges in Canada and thankfully I'm friends with one of
them! As are some of you! Danielle Beauregard! She's agreed to come judge
for us if I can get enough interest. As well she's coming down to our NAFA
tournament in August. If there is enough interest then I will plan a short
1/2 hour information session at the end of the day racing on Saturday so
everyone can come and ask some questions etc, as well as see the Ufli
measuring device.
________________________________________
From: atlantic...@googlegroups.com [atlantic...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrea [andrea....@nbed.nb.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:16 PM
To: Atlantic Flyball
Subject: [ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2772] Re: NAFA vs UFli
I am done playing devils advocate I swear ;) I do have a couple of
quick questions though about UFLI itself that you might be able to
answer?
Like others, one of the things that intrigues me about UFLI is the
single and pair racing. I'm curious, is single and pair racing offered
separately from the regular racing and run at a different time or are
those races intertwined with regular racing? For example, would you
see two teams run, then have two single dogs run, then a few teams,
then a pair, then teams, etc. Or would you run regular team racing and
then start single dog racing at the close of that (similar to how we
do green dog)?
Also, I'm wondering in pairs are you required to have a height dog as
one of your two dogs or can you run two big dogs? If you can run two
big dogs do you run at maximum height or at the 6 inch height?
Thanks!
Andrea
***********************
Ufli has alot of really interesting "rules" that are way more "user"
friendly than NAFA. Height dogs are measured by the long bone in their
front leg vs including their whole chest, so some "bigger" dogs may well be
a Ufli height dog. A friends team has a 10" JRT height dog in NAFA, but
only jumps 7" in Ufli. Ufli minimum jump heights are 6, maximum of 12.
Height dogs are measured once and then put in a database and never have to
be measured again - there are no discrepancies when measuring a bone after
all! ;)
There are 4 classes of racing standard (regular), variety (multi), singles
& pairs. Singles and pairs racing you chose whatever jump height you want
to jump. These forms of racing are great opportunities for young/green
dogs as well as pushing some of your other dogs that you may want to get
more out of. You do earn titles in singles & pairs too! You can compete
your dog up to 3 classes of racing.
Should a dog on your team shut down or become injured, you have the
opportunity to put a different dog on that team in the injured/shut down
dogs place. The only stipulation is that it can't already be racing in
that class of racing. You will still get your points too! You just won't
get divisional placement.
As well they have pick up teams. Pick up teams are similar to open in
NAFA. The only difference is they don't run in a separate class. So pick
up teams compete against other similar seeded teams not in a class of their
own. Much better racing opportunities!
Ufli doesn't just recognize division 1 fastest teams as champions! They
acknowledge all different time divisions and teams are awarded as such!
Yayyyyy valuation to the other divisions makes me quite happy! There are
also no regions in Ufli.
For you point crazy people, you don't just get points for times! You also
get points for wins! So the benefit is there for winning even more so! ;)
Pins are awarded at the end of each tournament instead of waiting months to
receive them! A Ufli representative attends the tournament, SCORES the
tournament (TDs only need to do the seeding chart! Ufli handles the
schedule make up!) and awards pins, etc at the end of it! How nice is that!
The only glitch in this is that all clubs must be re-registered with Ufli,
as well as all dogs. CRNs in NAFA are RUN (Race Utility Number) in Ufli
and costs $10/dog as a one time fee. Club registration is $20 and a one
time fee as well.
There are 2 Ufli judges in Canada and thankfully I'm friends with one of
them! As are some of you! Danielle Beauregard! She's agreed to come judge
for us if I can get enough interest. As well she's coming down to our NAFA
tournament in August. If there is enough interest then I will plan a short
1/2 hour information session at the end of the day racing on Saturday so
everyone can come and ask some questions etc, as well as see the Ufli
measuring device.
________________________________________
From: atlantic...@googlegroups.com [atlantic...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrea [andrea....@nbed.nb.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:16 PM
To: Atlantic Flyball
Subject: [ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2772] Re: NAFA vs UFli
I am done playing devils advocate I swear ;) I do have a couple of
quick questions though about UFLI itself that you might be able to
answer?
Like others, one of the things that intrigues me about UFLI is the
single and pair racing. I'm curious, is single and pair racing offered
separately from the regular racing and run at a different time or are
those races intertwined with regular racing? For example, would you
see two teams run, then have two single dogs run, then a few teams,
then a pair, then teams, etc. Or would you run regular team racing and
then start single dog racing at the close of that (similar to how we
do green dog)?
Also, I'm wondering in pairs are you required to have a height dog as
one of your two dogs or can you run two big dogs? If you can run two
big dogs do you run at maximum height or at the 6 inch height?
Thanks!
Andrea
Eileen Higginbotham
May 13, 2010, 5:29:20 PM5/13/10
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Okay,
So how about this? Would it ever be possible, assuming a couple or three of our region judges would like to become U-Fli judges as well, that we could run all the same tournie weekends that we run and still add U-Fli. Since we usually do a tournie per day rather than one over two days, could we find a couple of weekends where we could run a NAFA event one day and a U-Fli event the second day?, especially where there are a few clubs who have several tournies?? Just thinking that, if we could agree as a NAFA region on how to arrange ourselves, we could have the best of both worlds?? Not sure if this might work as there is a LOT about arranging a tournie that I don't understand but just putting it out there.
Having said that, before we entertain too much change or worry much about what is to come, we should get behind Amanda and help her have a go at hosting one to see what we think and then talk some more?? It could cost us a bit to register clubs and dogs but it sounds like we could also rack up some new titles quickly.
I do have a lot of stake in my personal NAFA goals as I finally start to accumulate some of those bigger titles we all dream of for our dogs. I do think it would be great to have more recognition for the firsts in other divisions. I do think I could not get behind U-Fli if it was going to drastically impact NAFA in this area BUT, again, too far ahead!!
Eileen Higginbotham, Fast 'n FURious, PEI
loved by the girls, Pawn, CGN, FMCH, SJATD; Fling, CGN, ONYX, SJATD;
and KOMBAT, CGN, FM, SJATD, and Layla, foster dog baby girl
 (and the boys Chris, Rukkus, CGN, FDCh-G, and Krieger, FDX)
 Rest in Peace Bishy B, CGN, FMX and Rook A Doo, FDCH-S
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Arend teRaa
May 13, 2010, 5:42:24 PM5/13/10
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Section 6.1 (p) of the rulebook states:
(p) NAFA reserves the right to deny or revoke tournament sanctioning in the event that the
tournament proposed would not be in the best interest of NAFA®. This includes, but is not
limited to, sanctioning an event at the same venue, on the same weekend, as an event
scheduled by another flyball sanctioning organization.
I doubt the NAFA one day, UFli the next would go over very well from a sanctioning point of view.
Arend
(p) NAFA reserves the right to deny or revoke tournament sanctioning in the event that the
tournament proposed would not be in the best interest of NAFA®. This includes, but is not
limited to, sanctioning an event at the same venue, on the same weekend, as an event
scheduled by another flyball sanctioning organization.
I doubt the NAFA one day, UFli the next would go over very well from a sanctioning point of view.
Arend
Amanda Joudrey-Leblanc
May 13, 2010, 6:09:36 PM5/13/10
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Thanks Eileen! :)
...and yes Arend sadly NAFA has made that rule, Ufli does not have the same way of thinking. They'd welcome events on the same weekend, NAFA does not. :(
~a
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Subject: Re: [ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2775] NAFA vs UFli
Jules Comeau
May 13, 2010, 8:55:30 PM5/13/10
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Hello everyone,
I haven't responded to anything so far because I figure that everyone will
understand that my allegiance is to NAFA with the position I hold. But,
like anyone else, I'm curious about U-Fli and what it offers so I went and
read their rulebook, all of it. There are some very interesting differences
as Amanda has pointed out. The way they allow dogs to be changed mid
tournament is a huge plus for sure. A lot of the other things you pointed
out in your initial email certainly make it an interesting option and I can
see why it has grown steadily over the last few years.
One of the major differences is how they choose U-Fli champions. I like the
way we do it in NAFA better. In NAFA, a NAFA champion is chosen at the end
of the year based on the average of the fastest four times (on four
different weekends) run by clubs participating in NAFA tournaments. But the
21 regions of NAFA also each get a champion and two runner-ups. UFli is
very different. As it was pointed out, there are no regions in UFli so all
of the clubs in North America are fighting to win a championship in a few
divisions. UFli recognizes division 2 and division 3 and so on. But it`s
not easy to do. Here is how it works. U-Fli will hold 6 qualification
tournaments around North America in 2010 in the following states/provinces:
Oklahoma, Michigan, California, Iowa, Alabama and British Columbia. So any
club who wants to be recognized in their division in U-Fli needs to go to
one of these qualifiers and there is list of different ways that you can
qualify for the Tournament of Champions which is where the divisional
champions are crowned. So, yes U-Fli does make an effort to recognize
divisional champions in all divisions but there will be one team recognized
in each division for all of North America and you have to travel a long
distance to get to a qualifier and then travel again to the Tournament of
Champions if you qualify. There is no recognition for running well all year
at every tournament. It all comes down to those qualifiers. The way UFli
is doing it is very similar to what NAFA is doing with their CanAm
tournament which is held each fall somewhere in the mid states. Last year,
it would have been a 23 hour drive for us to get to that tournament.
So I kind of like the fact that we have a region (which everyone recognizes
as being the best region ever!!) all to ourselves and that three clubs can
be recognized in our own region (regional champions and two runner-ups).
As in any market where there is competition for customers, the customers
will have the last word. If there is support for U-Fli, it will fly (pun
intended). If there isn't, then the decision is made for anyone who is
thinking about hosting U-Fli tournaments.
Jules
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I haven't responded to anything so far because I figure that everyone will
understand that my allegiance is to NAFA with the position I hold. But,
like anyone else, I'm curious about U-Fli and what it offers so I went and
read their rulebook, all of it. There are some very interesting differences
as Amanda has pointed out. The way they allow dogs to be changed mid
tournament is a huge plus for sure. A lot of the other things you pointed
out in your initial email certainly make it an interesting option and I can
see why it has grown steadily over the last few years.
One of the major differences is how they choose U-Fli champions. I like the
way we do it in NAFA better. In NAFA, a NAFA champion is chosen at the end
of the year based on the average of the fastest four times (on four
different weekends) run by clubs participating in NAFA tournaments. But the
21 regions of NAFA also each get a champion and two runner-ups. UFli is
very different. As it was pointed out, there are no regions in UFli so all
of the clubs in North America are fighting to win a championship in a few
divisions. UFli recognizes division 2 and division 3 and so on. But it`s
not easy to do. Here is how it works. U-Fli will hold 6 qualification
tournaments around North America in 2010 in the following states/provinces:
Oklahoma, Michigan, California, Iowa, Alabama and British Columbia. So any
club who wants to be recognized in their division in U-Fli needs to go to
one of these qualifiers and there is list of different ways that you can
qualify for the Tournament of Champions which is where the divisional
champions are crowned. So, yes U-Fli does make an effort to recognize
divisional champions in all divisions but there will be one team recognized
in each division for all of North America and you have to travel a long
distance to get to a qualifier and then travel again to the Tournament of
Champions if you qualify. There is no recognition for running well all year
at every tournament. It all comes down to those qualifiers. The way UFli
is doing it is very similar to what NAFA is doing with their CanAm
tournament which is held each fall somewhere in the mid states. Last year,
it would have been a 23 hour drive for us to get to that tournament.
So I kind of like the fact that we have a region (which everyone recognizes
as being the best region ever!!) all to ourselves and that three clubs can
be recognized in our own region (regional champions and two runner-ups).
As in any market where there is competition for customers, the customers
will have the last word. If there is support for U-Fli, it will fly (pun
intended). If there isn't, then the decision is made for anyone who is
thinking about hosting U-Fli tournaments.
Jules
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Subject: RE: [ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2776] NAFA vs UFli
Thanks Eileen! :)
...and yes Arend sadly NAFA has made that rule, Ufli does not have the same
way of thinking. They'd welcome events on the same weekend, NAFA does not.
:(
~a
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Subject: Re: [ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2775] NAFA vs UFli
Section 6.1 (p) of the rulebook states:
(p) NAFA reserves the right to deny or revoke tournament sanctioning in the
event that the
tournament proposed would not be in the best interest of NAFAR. This
Thanks Eileen! :)
...and yes Arend sadly NAFA has made that rule, Ufli does not have the same
way of thinking. They'd welcome events on the same weekend, NAFA does not.
:(
~a
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Subject: Re: [ ATLANTIC FLYBALL 2775] NAFA vs UFli
Section 6.1 (p) of the rulebook states:
(p) NAFA reserves the right to deny or revoke tournament sanctioning in the
event that the
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Amanda Joudrey-Leblanc
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If we were to have enough Ufli tournaments in the Maritimes Ufli would consider sanctioning a qualifier in the Maritimes. Then the only travel would be the same as going to CanAm except all divisions receive recognition at the Ufli Championships.
Just trying to get all the information out in our area that I can for everyone as things come up.
~a
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Just trying to get all the information out in our area that I can for everyone as things come up.
~a
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