Did Prince Phillip die or pass away?

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Dingbat

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Apr 10, 2021, 7:47:29 AM4/10/21
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You need a soul to pass away to another world, so if you don't believe in a soul, you might be better off saying that he died.

Belief in souls is very much alive; read this:

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Apr 10, 2021, 2:09:57 PM4/10/21
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Good point. 

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You need a soul to pass away to another world, so if you don't believe in a soul, you might be better off saying that he died.

Belief in souls is very much alive; read this:

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Apr 23, 2021, 2:27:43 PM4/23/21
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Ding,
           Give me the name of one human being that passed away.  All humans that become deceased die. No such thing as a soul has ever been identified as being any part of a human being. No matter how religious the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Phillip may have been, or what religion he followed; He Died.

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Apr 28, 2021, 4:56:47 PM4/28/21
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On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 11:27:43 AM UTC-7 lawrey wrote:
Ding,
           Give me the name of one human being that passed away.

Heidi Wyrick would give you some names:

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Apr 28, 2021, 5:30:27 PM4/28/21
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On Apr 28, 2021, at 1:56 PM, 'Dingbat' via Atheism vs Christianity <atheism-vs-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:




On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 11:27:43 AM UTC-7 lawrey wrote:
Ding,
           Give me the name of one human being that passed away.

It’s a euphemism. I means “die”. Theists use it to imply that  the soul survives death and goes somewhere else after the body dies.  As an atheist I don’t use any term that implies a soul or a spirit or anything that survives death. 

Heidi Wyrick would give you some names:


  All humans that become deceased die. No such thing as a soul has ever been identified as being any part of a human being. No matter how religious the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Phillip may have been, or what religion he followed; He Died.

On Saturday, 10 April 2021 at 12:47:29 UTC+1 Dingbat wrote:
You need a soul to pass away to another world, so if you don't believe in a soul, you might be better off saying that he died.

Belief in souls is very much alive; read this:

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On Apr 28, 2021, at 1:51 PM, 'Dingbat' via Atheism vs Christianity <atheism-vs-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:



On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 11:27:43 AM UTC-7 lawrey wrote:
Ding,
           Give me the name of one human being that passed away.

Heidi Wyrick would give you some names:
 
  All humans that become deceased die. No such thing as a soul has ever been identified as being any part of a human being. No matter how religious the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Phillip may have been, or what religion he followed; He Died.

On Saturday, 10 April 2021 at 12:47:29 UTC+1 Dingbat wrote:
You need a soul to pass away to another world, so if you don't believe in a soul, you might be better off saying that he died.

Belief in souls is very much alive; read this:

Belief is alive.  Souls are non-existent.

LL

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Apr 29, 2021, 11:15:50 PM4/29/21
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Does a doctor complete a DEATH CERTIFICATE for atheists, humanists, agnostics, skeptics, satanists, idolators, animists and secularists and a PASSED AWAY CERTIFICATE for everyone else?
Quite frankly, I think he had the good sense to just die. Even as the Queen's consort, he would not suffer fools gracefully and was not known for making a fuss or a kerfuffle.Give the man some peace from the faithful's lachrymose whinings for his "soul"! 
I'm certain he had to suffer a stomach-full while he lived. His old lady was opinionated enough for one lifetime.
Was your question intentionally provocative, Dingbat? Or do you already know the answer? 

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Apr 30, 2021, 2:20:57 AM4/30/21
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On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 8:15:50 PM UTC-7 Biggles wrote:
Does a doctor complete a DEATH CERTIFICATE for atheists, humanists, agnostics, skeptics, satanists, idolators, animists and secularists and a PASSED AWAY CERTIFICATE for everyone else?
Quite frankly, I think he had the good sense to just die. Even as the Queen's consort, he would not suffer fools gracefully and was not known for making a fuss or a kerfuffle.Give the man some peace from the faithful's lachrymose whinings for his "soul"! 
I'm certain he had to suffer a stomach-full while he lived. His old lady was opinionated enough for one lifetime.
Was your question intentionally provocative, Dingbat? Or do you already know the answer? 

The unstated question is "What should a believer in afterlife tell an unbeliever about a death?" Should they say he died or should they say he passed away, knowing that the listener doesn't believe in passing away? How about an announcement by a believer to a general audience including unbelievers. Should they say he died, in consideration for the unbelievers, or should they say he passed away, in accordance with their belief? And should believers tolerate or take offence at a statement by an unbeliever that so and so died?

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Apr 30, 2021, 2:50:58 AM4/30/21
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On Apr 29, 2021, at 11:21 PM, 'Dingbat' via Atheism vs Christianity <atheism-vs-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:




On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 8:15:50 PM UTC-7 Biggles wrote:
Does a doctor complete a DEATH CERTIFICATE for atheists, humanists, agnostics, skeptics, satanists, idolators, animists and secularists and a PASSED AWAY CERTIFICATE for everyone else?
Quite frankly, I think he had the good sense to just die. Even as the Queen's consort, he would not suffer fools gracefully and was not known for making a fuss or a kerfuffle.Give the man some peace from the faithful's lachrymose whinings for his "soul"! 
I'm certain he had to suffer a stomach-full while he lived. His old lady was opinionated enough for one lifetime.
Was your question intentionally provocative, Dingbat? Or do you already know the answer? 

The unstated question is "What should a believer in afterlife tell an unbeliever about a death?" Should they say he died or should they say he passed away, knowing that the listener doesn't believe in passing away? How about an announcement by a believer to a general audience including unbelievers. Should they say he died, in consideration for the unbelievers, or should they say he passed away, in accordance with their belief? And should believers tolerate or take offence at a statement by an unbeliever that so and so died?


I’m not at all sure that everyone who says or hears  someone say “passed away” actually think of a soul moving to another dimension. It is simply another way of saying “died.” It may have originated with people who believe in souls, but it has become so common an expression that, IMO, few would deliberately connect it with a soul. Many atheists are attuned to the phrase implying a soul but most theists probably don’t make an issue out of it.  Nobody should take offense at anyone’s way of sneaking of death. why make an issue out of it at all, and especially when someone has just lost a loved one.  It’s hardly the time or place to criticize someone’s beliefs or even to bring it up. Honestly, atheists should display common sense, dignity and compassion.

LL

On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 7:47:29 PM UTC+8 Dingbat wrote:
You need a soul to pass away to another world, so if you don't believe in a soul, you might be better off saying that he died.

Belief in souls is very much alive; read this:

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Apr 30, 2021, 9:14:29 AM4/30/21
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Someone wrote: "It’s hardly the time or place to criticize someone’s beliefs or even to bring it up. Honestly, atheists should display common sense, dignity and compassion."
.......OR BRING IT UP operates nicely here It seems to me that a theist was the first to BRING IT UP. What words or phrases in my post informed you of my spiritual or non-spiritual allegiance? And what function does the word "honestly" fulfill ?
If you can honestly answer my questions, I may be in your debt
Someone wrote: " It is simply another way of saying “died.”
Brevity, being the soul of wit, then enables the question to be posed: Why consciously revert to two words when one is eminently sufficient? PC-ness is the resort of the timid and the cowardly who cowers before a phenomenon of life that heralds the end of life. No human escapes it, it is universal in occurrence across all cultures, civilisations and religions. There are few characteristics of life, if any. so common to every manifestation of it. Some manifestations are self-aware and therefore are better informed on it. It's the ultimate sine qua non within nature's NOMA (ref; Stephen Jay Gould).
This outrage to logic and common sense is lately morphing in the USA (where else do such juvenile idiocies occur?) to the lone word "pass", so that we hear that, "grandma passed this morning."
The English word "pass", (like "put", "set", "go", and a few others).according to the ultimate authority, has a multitude of applications wherein we pass the salt, pass the ball, pass the blame, pass the post, pass the baton, pass the time, pass on, pass over, pass out, pass up, pass down, pass between, pass forward, pass through, pass exams, pass tests, and on and on and on. As if the actual event can be hidden among a plethora of other meanings to the point where it may not have happened! Such self-deception deserves only derision and ridicule. Sparing feelings and softening blows are pretensions in those who would fawn and grovel to curry favour while feigning concern. The more deluded by fantasy the utterer the more inclined he/she is to adopt such drivelous utterances

To Dingbat: So, UNSTATED QUESTIONS are the fare AvC .offers up to members for consumption and regurgitation? What a novel idea. Did you think of this, or is there another ratbag to whom we might PASS THE BLAME?
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