Truecristian

[OldMan]

AvC is a discussion group that allows pretty much anything concerning religious topics without moderation.  We really only have rules against spam, porn and personally threatening posts.  Violation of any of those will get you banned from AvC.

Truecristian has been a member of AvC for several years now, and while he has not really crossed any of those specific lines, it is generally acknowledged that he is a troll and contributes little, if any, to any real discussion.  And he has been recently become even more obnoxious and useless.  The AvC owners have discussed what, if anything, should be done with truecristian, and we have decided on a two step process.  As of now, truecristian is in moderation.  This means that all of his posts will be put into the moderation queue and will need to be approved by a moderator.  If his post is relevant to the specific thread being posted into, or introducing a new thread with an on-topic and valid discussion topic, then his post will be approved.  Otherwise it will be removed.  And this will be done at the discretion of the moderators.  The owners will only get involved if the moderators have any question about a specific post.  If truecristian chooses to become a contributing member of AvC rather than a troll, he will be removed from moderation.  Otherwise he will ultimately be banned by the AvC owners.

If you have any questions or issues about this, respond on this thread.  We will not respond to any questions about this on the main forum.

[Dillan Fernando]

Is TC aware that he's in a moderation state? 

[e_space]

yay! 

[OldMan]

On Monday, 28 July 2014 15:42:39 UTC-7, Dillan Fernando wrote:

Is TC aware that he's in a moderation state? 

I have sent him nothing beyond what is posted to the AvC forums.   

[Dillan Fernando]

For the record, I'm not a big fan of TC. I'm even a less fan banning TC. He's hasn't been an overly disruptive troll IMHO. If not anything, his ideas show the perils of fundamentalism.

I think the question we have to ask ourselves is are you banning him for his outrageous comments, or because he's posts vexes us. 

Freespeech is something we should take seriously, and we only have free speech when we allow people who say the most horrible things, to say what they want.

Ok. but it would have been better to give him an official warning. 

[lawrey]

On Monday, 28 July 2014 16:51:55 UTC+1, OldMan wrote:

AvC is a discussion group that allows pretty much anything concerning religious topics without moderation.  We really only have rules against spam, porn and personally threatening posts.  Violation of any of those will get you banned from AvC.

Truecristian has been a member of AvC for several years now, and while he has not really crossed any of those specific lines, it is generally acknowledged that he is a troll and contributes little, if any, to any real discussion.  And he has been recently become even more obnoxious and useless.  The AvC owners have discussed what, if anything, should be done with truecristian, and we have decided on a two step process.  As of now, truecristian is in moderation.  This means that all of his posts will be put into the moderation queue and will need to be approved by a moderator.  If his post is relevant to the specific thread being posted into, or introducing a new thread with an on-topic and valid discussion topic, then his post will be approved.  Otherwise it will be removed.  And this will be done at the discretion of the moderators.  The owners will only get involved if the moderators have any question about a specific post.  If truecristian chooses to become a contributing member of AvC rather than a troll, he will be removed from moderation.  Otherwise he will ultimately be banned by the AvC owners.

    Hello Old Man,

                                 Knowing you I appreciate that you and your colleagues will  not have  come to this decision lightly.
                                 That said, I would not be inclined to back his dismissal, as far as I am concerned while all you say is indisputable,
                                 T C is harmless enough, just another human and we are all inclined to ere,' not one is there that is perfect..
                                 As a true Christian yourself, you will know the value of man's judgement and his potential to over judge, you will
                                 also appreciate the importance and value of charity. SHORT of any external intervention it behoves us as humans
                                 to act responsibly to each the other and we all have a duty of care for our fellow humans, no matter how obnoxious.
                                 If we are to survive as a race of peoples it is imperative that we show understanding each for the other.

                                 On a personal note I know that your god would question this decision. Let he who is without fault stand up and
                                 not a soul among them left their seats. Gospel according to Lawrey. ;))

                                   

[Max]

Moderation is an entirely rational response. He is a either a mundane troll or a skillful satirist, but either way, he still does not debate.

And this is a debating site.

And I figure that you can only take the piss for so long.

[LL]

Agree, but not the "skillful satirist" suggestion. A truly skillful satirist is subtle and intelligent in his satire--if that's what it is on TC's part. If it's supposed to be satire at all I'd call it heavy-handed and sick. TC is too full of anger to be an effective satirist. He never gets his point across, but is simply annoying and insulting on a grand scale.

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[OldMan]

On Tuesday, 29 July 2014 01:01:21 UTC-7, Dillan Fernando wrote:

For the record, I'm not a big fan of TC. I'm even a less fan banning TC. He's hasn't been an overly disruptive troll IMHO. If not anything, his ideas show the perils of fundamentalism.

I think the question we have to ask ourselves is are you banning him for his outrageous comments, or because he's posts vexes us. 

Freespeech is something we should take seriously, and we only have free speech when we allow people who say the most horrible things, to say what they want.

Free speech does not give one the right to say whatever they want.  There are laws against slander and libel.  We do not allow you to advertise pictures of naked little girls or to make physical threats against another person. 

That being said, I did not likely take this step with truecristian, nor did I take it alone.  His crime is not that I disagree with him (I disagree with pretty much everyone in the group on some things).  Nor is it that I don't like his language.  My biggest problem with him is that he/she is a troll who is advocating a position that he/she does not even hold to, pretending to be a fundy while in reality probably being an atheist.  It is his way of poking fun, and I do not believe it is good for the health of a debate forum.

[OldMan]

On Tuesday, 29 July 2014 01:43:15 UTC-7, lawrey wrote:

On Monday, 28 July 2014 16:51:55 UTC+1, OldMan wrote:

AvC is a discussion group that allows pretty much anything concerning religious topics without moderation.  We really only have rules against spam, porn and personally threatening posts.  Violation of any of those will get you banned from AvC.

Truecristian has been a member of AvC for several years now, and while he has not really crossed any of those specific lines, it is generally acknowledged that he is a troll and contributes little, if any, to any real discussion.  And he has been recently become even more obnoxious and useless.  The AvC owners have discussed what, if anything, should be done with truecristian, and we have decided on a two step process.  As of now, truecristian is in moderation.  This means that all of his posts will be put into the moderation queue and will need to be approved by a moderator.  If his post is relevant to the specific thread being posted into, or introducing a new thread with an on-topic and valid discussion topic, then his post will be approved.  Otherwise it will be removed.  And this will be done at the discretion of the moderators.  The owners will only get involved if the moderators have any question about a specific post.  If truecristian chooses to become a contributing member of AvC rather than a troll, he will be removed from moderation.  Otherwise he will ultimately be banned by the AvC owners.

    Hello Old Man,

                                 Knowing you I appreciate that you and your colleagues will  not have  come to this decision lightly.
                                 That said, I would not be inclined to back his dismissal, as far as I am concerned while all you say is indisputable,
                                 T C is harmless enough, just another human and we are all inclined to ere,' not one is there that is perfect..
                                 As a true Christian yourself, you will know the value of man's judgement and his potential to over judge, you will
                                 also appreciate the importance and value of charity. SHORT of any external intervention it behoves us as humans
                                 to act responsibly to each the other and we all have a duty of care for our fellow humans, no matter how obnoxious.
                                 If we are to survive as a race of peoples it is imperative that we show understanding each for the other.

Indeed, I am only too aware of my own failings.  But I do believe I have a responsibility to this group as an owner, and while I am no longer very active, I do take that responsibility seriously.  I know that there is no decision Rap and I could make that would please everyone here, but we are trying our best.

[Dillan Fernando]

Thank you for the thoughtful response. I suppose all I'm advocating is that we do everything we can make sure his right to speak his mind is upheld. If, as you say, TC has been disruptive to the group, then yes, you have the right to take action against TC. 

[LL]

On Jul 29, 2014, at 9:17 AM, OldMan <edjar...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 July 2014 01:43:15 UTC-7, lawrey wrote:

On Monday, 28 July 2014 16:51:55 UTC+1, OldMan wrote:

AvC is a discussion group that allows pretty much anything concerning religious topics without moderation.  We really only have rules against spam, porn and personally threatening posts.  Violation of any of those will get you banned from AvC.

Truecristian has been a member of AvC for several years now, and while he has not really crossed any of those specific lines, it is generally acknowledged that he is a troll and contributes little, if any, to any real discussion.  And he has been recently become even more obnoxious and useless.  The AvC owners have discussed what, if anything, should be done with truecristian, and we have decided on a two step process.  As of now, truecristian is in moderation.  This means that all of his posts will be put into the moderation queue and will need to be approved by a moderator.  If his post is relevant to the specific thread being posted into, or introducing a new thread with an on-topic and valid discussion topic, then his post will be approved.  Otherwise it will be removed.  And this will be done at the discretion of the moderators.  The owners will only get involved if the moderators have any question about a specific post.  If truecristian chooses to become a contributing member of AvC rather than a troll, he will be removed from moderation.  Otherwise he will ultimately be banned by the AvC owners.

    Hello Old Man,

                                 Knowing you I appreciate that you and your colleagues will  not have  come to this decision lightly.
                                 That said, I would not be inclined to back his dismissal, as far as I am concerned while all you say is indisputable,
                                 T C is harmless enough, just another human and we are all inclined to ere,' not one is there that is perfect..
                                 As a true Christian yourself, you will know the value of man's judgement and his potential to over judge, you will
                                 also appreciate the importance and value of charity. SHORT of any external intervention it behoves us as humans
                                 to act responsibly to each the other and we all have a duty of care for our fellow humans, no matter how obnoxious.
                                 If we are to survive as a race of peoples it is imperative that we show understanding each for the other.

Ed is doing the best he can with a difficult situation. We's all be wise to support him.  You can be sure he's taken into consideration ALL of the issues and opinions. 

LL

Indeed, I am only too aware of my own failings.  But I do believe I have a responsibility to this group as an owner, and while I am no longer very active, I do take that responsibility seriously.  I know that there is no decision Rap and I could make that would please everyone here, but we are trying our best.

 

                                 On a personal note I know that your god would question this decision. Let he who is without fault stand up and
                                 not a soul among them left their seats. Gospel according to Lawrey. ;))

                                   

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Also just to reiterate in : we're not banning him at this time, his posts are in moderation. When he posts relevant material, it will go through. 

[LL]

Sal, Your overall views on the situation are fine, but I have one point to make. TC is not a True Christian in any sense of the word. Several identify him as an atheist, but he is not a rational atheist, either. He is a rabble rouser, an agitator, a troublemaker. In my view he has no intent but to annoy everyone, atheists and Christians, alike, and has no valid point to make. In a way he's like an pyromaniac. He sets fires and runs away.  I don't know that he should be banned, either, since the prevailing opinion seems to be to allow anyone to say anything on AvC, though if I were an owner I would be less reluctant than you and Ed are about banning.  Keeping him on moderation might do the trick. I notice he hasn't posted anything since we started discussing this. 

LL

[Dillan Fernando]

Well, I find it hard to believe what he posts here are his real thoughts. No one can be that crazy!

Maybe he's poor satirist, who doesn't know the line between sheer stupidity and humour?

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:27:38 AM UTC-7, LL wrote:

On Jul 29, 2014, at 5:48 AM, Max <ass...@pcfin.net> wrote:

> Moderation is an entirely rational response. He is a either a mundane troll or a skillful satirist, but either way, he still does not debate.
>
> And this is a debating site.
>
> And I figure that you can only take the piss for so long.

Agree, but not the "skillful satirist" suggestion.  A truly skillful satirist is  subtle and intelligent in his satire--if that's what it is on TC's part.  If it's supposed to be satire at all I'd call it heavy-handed and sick. TC is too full of anger to be an effective satirist. He never gets his point across, but is simply annoying and insulting on a grand scale.

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[LL]

On Jul 31, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Dillan Fernando <dfer...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I find it hard to believe what he posts here are his real thoughts. No one can be that crazy!

Maybe he's poor satirist, who doesn't know the line between sheer stupidity and humour?

Probably.

LL

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:27:38 AM UTC-7, LL wrote:

On Jul 29, 2014, at 5:48 AM, Max <ass...@pcfin.net> wrote:

> Moderation is an entirely rational response. He is a either a mundane troll or a skillful satirist, but either way, he still does not debate.
>
> And this is a debating site.
>
> And I figure that you can only take the piss for so long.

Agree, but not the "skillful satirist" suggestion.  A truly skillful satirist is  subtle and intelligent in his satire--if that's what it is on TC's part.  If it's supposed to be satire at all I'd call it heavy-handed and sick. TC is too full of anger to be an effective satirist. He never gets his point across, but is simply annoying and insulting on a grand scale.

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[Timothy Hall]

I remember where there were a few times that this member attempted serious debate. It is hard to nail down this member's possible agenda. 

One could take his contributions as either poor attempt at shock value or harassing our site for discussing what we want to discuss.

It seems that we can only leave it to the mods to decide if this member is breaking our social rules of  valuable argument and discussion.

Note: it has been quite awhile since this member has responded to other's posts.

[LL]

On Aug 3, 2014, at 6:50 AM, Timothy Hall <thcu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I remember where there were a few times that this member attempted serious debate. It is hard to nail down this member's possible agenda. 

One could take his contributions as either poor attempt at shock value or harassing our site for discussing what we want to discuss.

It seems that we can only leave it to the mods to decide if this member is breaking our social rules of  valuable argument and discussion.

Note: it has been quite awhile since this member has responded to other's posts.

As far as I can remember, he has never responded to anyone's posts. He shoots and runs. Or a better analogy would be, he lobs a hand grenade and runs. Since most of us are on to him, his efforts usually fizzle.  If his grenades have been rejected in moderation or if he has decided to stop throwing them altogether, we're all better off for it. 

LL

[Trance Gemini]

We have always had a very solid policy about not banning Trolls.

Has that now changed?

Because in reality we have several people, one of whom openly admits that he doesn't (and never has) come here to debate. He states that he comes here because he finds it amusing to get us going. That is what Trolling is.

So, unless you're going to establish a specific policy on Trolls and then apply it to all the Trolls who come here, I disagree completely with this decision and believe that it violates the existing and long term policy held by this group.

As Owners you have the right to do that but IMO you need to change the policy first and then, like I said, apply it to all the Trolls. Not just TC.

Otherwise we're discriminating against TC.

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[Trance Gemini]

He responds quite frequently to people's posts LL. He isn't a driveby.

[Trance Gemini]

He's a POE. He is also associated with the Landover Baptist Church site which is a POE site for the Westboro Baptist Church.

[Trance Gemini]

He's a POE in my opinion.

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[LL]

On Aug 9, 2014, at 5:35 AM, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

He responds quite frequently to people's posts LL. He isn't a driveby.

I must have missed them. Are his responses rational? 

LL

[OldMan]

On Saturday, 9 August 2014 05:35:01 UTC-7, Trance Gemini wrote:

Thanks for your input Trance.  We did not take this step lightly and recognize it could be a first step down a path we don't want to tread.  But TC is starting to cross a line that we are just not willing to have him cross.   

[Trance Gemini]

Since when has being rational ever been a requirement here. He's a POE.

[Trance Gemini]

Well others have crossed those lines as well. IMO it's still discriminatory to single TC out without applying a consistent policy to all.

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[LL]

On Aug 9, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well others have crossed those lines as well. IMO it's still discriminatory to single TC out without applying a consistent policy to all.

You may be right that there is no hard and fast rule about abuse on AvC, but, IMO, with TC it's a matter of degree. No one has been as consistently insulting, scurrilous and downright abusive on AvC as TC has been. This is much more than "crossing the line" occasionally. 

I think AvC should have a way to ban extreme behavior. When AvC was started it was apparently decided to have a no banning policy, but no one could have predicted how disruptive and abusive a poster could be, and how it would escalate and continue ceaselessly. It was probably assumed that criticism by other members would discourage trolling behavior. This has worked most of the time, but not with TC. His is a special case.  He is taking unfair advantage of the liberal standards of the original owners and all members. As it turns out, he may  also have figured a way to avoid moderation. 

I think AvC needs a hard and fast rule for extreme cases like this one. This is not just a matter of "crossing the line" on occasion, it is downright abuse. 

This is my opinion. Anyone is free to disagree. 

LL

[Trance Gemini]

No LL. It 's not a matter of degree.  There are others that have been far more abusive and people like you here tolerate them.

TC is a POE. You find the opinions he expresses as a POE objectionable as do some others.

THIS is why you've and some others have been pushing for a long time to have him removed.

When you and those others tried to push me into removing him I refused in the interests of consistency and fairness.

As long as TC is being disciplined and those other Trolls aren't this action IS Discriminatory there is no question and it doesn't matter how self-servingly you choose to spin it.

[Trance Gemini]

Bullshit: " No one has been as consistently insulting, scurrilous and downright abusive on AvC as TC has been"

E_Space is as consistently insulting, scurrilous and downright abusive as well as homophobic, misogynist, etc. He just hasn't been in YOUR face about it so you don't care. 

The pig is constantly in MY face.

[LL]

On Aug 10, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

No LL. It 's not a matter of degree.  There are others that have been far more abusive and people like you here tolerate them.

TC is a POE. You find the opinions he expresses as a POE objectionable as do some others.

THIS is why you've and some others have been pushing for a long time to have him removed.

When you and those others tried to push me into removing him I refused in the interests of consistency and fairness.

As long as TC is being disciplined and those other Trolls aren't this action IS Discriminatory there is no question and it doesn't matter how self-servingly you choose to spin it.

Or you.

[Trance Gemini]

LL: "I think AvC should have a way to ban extreme behavior."

Then define 'extreme behavior' state the policy and apply it to everyone.

Finding TCs comments objectionable (which is what you're actually talking about) DOESN'T constitute 'extreme behavior'.

E_Space's stalking and demands for attention and harassment DO constitute 'extreme and abusive behavior' yet you have no objection to his bad behavior.

Why Not?

Seems like you are being rather hypocritical. 

[Trance Gemini]

A typical troll response from LL when she knows she's wrong and hasn't got any rational arguments to respond with.

So she resorts to the type of exchange you'd see from a two year old.

I have provided a lengthy explanation for why your position is self-serving and hypocritical and a spin.

Please show me the same respect or shut up.

[Trance Gemini]

I have one question that everyone who supports this discriminatory act should ask themselves.

If the Westboro Baptist Church had a member join AvC would you ban them for extreme 'behavior'?

And note, the AvC was explicitly created and built on the premise of accepting debate between EXTREMES like atheists and fundamentalists like the Westboro Baptist Church.

If you would ban them then AvC is not the site it was intended to be and I have a problem with that.

[OldMan]

Ultimately it doesn't matter that you or LL think about this situation.  It is a decision that Rap and I reached and acted on.  We are not debating whether or not to take any action.  That has already occurred.  We have explained our reasons for what we did, knowing that not everyone would agree.  This group will never agree completely on anything.  If you like what we did, fine.  If not, oh well!

On Sunday, 10 August 2014 12:41:47 UTC-7, Trance Gemini wrote:

A typical troll response from LL when she knows she's wrong and hasn't got any rational arguments to respond with.

So she resorts to the type of exchange you'd see from a two year old.

I have provided a lengthy explanation for why your position is self-serving and hypocritical and a spin.

Please show me the same respect or shut up.

On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 9:41 PM, LL  wrote:

On Aug 10, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Trance Gemini wrote:

No LL. It 's not a matter of degree.  There are others that have been far more abusive and people like you here tolerate them.

TC is a POE. You find the opinions he expresses as a POE objectionable as do some others.

THIS is why you've and some others have been pushing for a long time to have him removed.

When you and those others tried to push me into removing him I refused in the interests of consistency and fairness.

As long as TC is being disciplined and those other Trolls aren't this action IS Discriminatory there is no question and it doesn't matter how self-servingly you choose to spin it.

Or you.

On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:34 AM, LL wrote:

[LL]

On Aug 10, 2014, at 1:12 PM, OldMan <edjar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ultimately it doesn't matter that you or LL think about this situation.  It is a decision that Rap and I reached and acted on.  We are not debating whether or not to take any action.  That has already occurred.  We have explained our reasons for what we did, knowing that not everyone would agree.  This group will never agree completely on anything.  If you like what we did, fine.  If not, oh well!

I don't disagree with your and Rapp's decision and I didn't argue with Trance with the expectation that you would change your minds.  It was just a point to discuss, though it would have been best left alone, now that I think about it. 

LL

[Dillan Fernando]

Honestly Trance, You have been far more abusive than anyone I know, with the possible exception of Neil and Dev. 

Like many things, it looks like AvC is also evolving. We don't know what it's evolving into to. But it looks like it's evolving into something that discourages abusive behaviour. 

As for TC, there is no definition of disruptive behaviour. If most members find him disruptive, then he's disruptive. And it looks like most here agree TC has been disruptive.

LL

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[Trance Gemini]

Yes Dillan. Presenting strong opinions that challenge you is 'abusive' in your world. I know.

But stalking, harassing and lying isn't. I also know that.

The silence on this site against REAL abuse is despicable.

The drama on this site against the type of thing TC is doing is also despicable.

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[Trance Gemini]

Actually most are objecting to TC being moderated. 

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[Trance Gemini]

Well, I think this should be a debate. 

If it isn't AvC is devolving not evolving. Up until now the Owners have always been concerned about maintaining the nature of the site and considering the members opinions.

I don't have a problem with control as I've indicated in the past.

I just think it should be explicit and tied to behavior and not content.

TC is a POE. He doesn't stalk and harass people. He says outrageous things to people.

That's freedom of speech and what he says is no different than what you'd hear from the Westboro Baptist Church.

Others actually engage in Stalking and Harassing Behaviors and no action is taken against them. Some here who have objected to TC have actively condoned that behavior which one can actually be charged criminally with these days. In Canada someone is currently being charged. Once the dust settles I'll be looking at filing charges against certain people because frankly I'm fed up with it.

TC isn't going to be one of the people I look at pressing charges against because TC hasn't done anything criminal unless calling me a 'god-mocking maggot' is a criminal offense these days. I just think it's funny. He's expressing his right to free speech and no matter how offensive you personally find it, he has a right to it.

TC's treatment has been hypocritical and discriminatory and it goes AGAINST OUR CURRENT WRITTEN POLICY.

It's quite unfair to just arbitrarily do this to someone without any warning especially given the fact that it actually violates current written policy.

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[thea]

Hi, Trance

Thinking of you and wishing you a nice day

thea

[Dillan Fernando]

Well, I've always noted that you seem to think everything you do it appropriate, and someone else doing the same thing to you is not.

[Trance Gemini]

And you seem unable to differentiate between instigators and responders.

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[Dillan Fernando]

Oddly enough, if you ask anyone who has been at the receiving end of your abuse, they'll swear you instigated it. In my experience, you often do.

[Trance Gemini]

This discussion isn't about me. However, it looks like you want to get nasty and make it about me.

Oddly enough anyone who has engaged at you at any point is well aware that you harbor grudges for years, go on personal vendettas, and love to defame those that you harbor grudges against.

Watch your step. I know you're Canadian and if you wish to get nasty you could well end up on my list of people to have charged.

I will no longer tolerate having my character and integrity defamed and libeled by nasty Internet scum.

The fact that I have never instigated an altercation with anyone here is a fact that I can prove given that I receive all the AvC posts as individual emails, have a dedicated account for AvC and have literally all the posts from this group going back to when I joined.

Including the one's cowards like to delete to cover their tracks.

If someone commits a chargeable offence against another member of AvC, it is our CURRENT policy to ban them for life.

It isn't our current policy to ban trolls that don't admit their trolls and don't violate any other policy of AvC.

There is currently no policy which explicitly restricts behavior, TC has never misbehaved nor do I see any evidence that he has. I see him being his usual obnoxious self making outrageously offensive statements which is allowed here.

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[Dillan Fernando]

What is curious though is that no one else seem to suffer the kind of indignities and stalkings you seem to have been cursed with. I find that really curious. 

Why do you think that is?

As for your legal actions, well.. good luck with that. You have a tough road ahead of you my friend.

If people are interested in Canadian Law against cyber bullying, here's a couple of links.

http://www.cbabc.org/For-the-Public/Dial-A-Law/Scripts/Criminal-Law/206.aspx

http://www.cbabc.org/For-the-Public/Dial-A-Law/Scripts/Your-Rights/240

 

Take care Trance. 

[Trance Gemini]

What is curious is that you are determined to be a skank and make this about me. I suspect that this is the result of your tendency to harbor grudges for years on end which color your attitudes towards various people.

Stop being a self-serving skank and derailing this thread.

It's about the imposed moderation of TC which violates the current rules that AvC has established.

If you can't stay on point then I suggest you STFU since I have zero interest in hearing you slag me.

I am currently following a recent case in Ottawa where a 42 year old man has been charged with Defamation Libel, Cyber Harassment amongst other things for much the same behavior that has been exhibited by some individuals on this site at various times.

In particular E_Space who is also Canadian.

Like I said. Watch your step.

I will not tolerate skanks defaming me and impugning my character and integrity any longer online.

This is a test case for the RCMP since these laws have never been used in relation to the online world. If this person does get convicted I will have my open door to go after every one that's been engaging in this behavior.

I look forward to that.

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[Max]

Hi OM,

Has TC contributed anything since he was moderated?

That is, have any of his posts failed to make it or has he just given up?

[Max]

Fuck me.....and I thought Canadians were all sweet & ever so nice :)

[thea]

Canadians are all sweet and ever so nice.

And, since Trance is a wonderful person -

We are thankful to have her around -

she knows her stuff

thea

On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Max <ass...@pcfin.net> wrote:

Fuck me.....and I thought Canadians were all sweet & ever so nice :)

[LL]

Either way, don't encourage him. Let sleeping "Christians" lie.

LL

[Trance Gemini]

Ah Max. I thought you'd learned by now ;)

Then again maybe I'm just unusual. Lol.

[Trance Gemini]

Thx Thea. ♥

Thea if you're on Facebook there's a group I'd like to add you to.

Neil misses you. I know he liked to argue a lot with you but I think he misses that.

Let me know.

[Max]

Good on ya darlin....don't let the bastards get you down. :)

[Trance Gemini]

You'd probably like the group as well Max. Neil is running it. If you're on FB I'll add you.

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Good on ya darlin....don't let the bastards get you down. :)

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[OldMan]

He had a couple of posts moderated earlier, but I have not seen anything from him in a while now.  

[Max]

Ah well......you can lead a horse to water eh?

[Max]

Thanks for the offer but I'm not on FB. Not my kinda thing (Closet Luddite really)

[thea]

I am not on facebook because I don't know how to get there and really
do not want any more information out there.

I would love to argue with Neil.

Why doesn't he come to AvC?

Thanks for the offer, Trance, as we think of you often and wonder how you
are doing?

thea

[Trance Gemini]

Neil's just moved on I guess :)

And I understand. No problem.

Just wanted you to know.

I'm still around but busy. I drop in from time to time.

[Dillan Fernando]

Hey Trance, 

Any chance I can get into the group Neil is running? 

On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:43:33 AM UTC-7, Trance Gemini wrote:

You'd probably like the group as well Max. Neil is running it. If you're on FB I'll add you.

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Good on ya darlin....don't let the bastards get you down. :)

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[Trance Gemini]

Probably but you'll have to use your real name.

And if you're an asshole to me I'll have the Inquisitor riding your ass. I'm their new 'Pope'.

Are you sure you want to join?

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[Trance Gemini]

Dillan Neil said you can join. Email me and I'll send you the link to the group.