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[Eddie Murphy]

Hello Everyone,

I want to personally thank everyone that supported today's mini-tournament. An I hope all of you and your students had fun if you attended. 

We covered several topics during our meeting for those of you that were not in attendance I will do my utmost best to bring you up to speed. Anyone else that was there please fill in the blanks if left off something or if a subject is not stated directly. 

Subjects: 

1. The mini-tournament series 

1st Place The Rieselbach's

2nd Place Master Murphy

3rd Place Mr. Glenn

4th Place Ms. Gottlieb 

5th Place Mr. Packard 

The individuals listed above in that order will pick the season for the next mini. And set dates in a timely manner. The goal is to have all events dates set and in place so that everyone has enough time to plan and actively support them.

 

Additionally it was discussed and agreed to by the majority present that all future mini-tournament competition start no earlier than 11 am. 

All future mini-tournament will include creative competition for both form and weapons. Competitors must compete in traditional form or Traditional to compete in the creative. to insure that this rule is followed. It was vote on and agree to by a majority present that the creative competition will be done after traditional competition. ATA-Xtreme will not be allowed due safety reason. So now the events for mini-tournaments will be : Traditional form, Traditional Weapons form, Sparring, Combat Weapons and Board Breaking.    

 

2. High Rank Workouts 

The goal is to have a monthly revolving workout rotating to the various schools and club. The workout will be free to all attendees. It was voted on agreed to by a majority present that these workout will start at 1 pm. They will all be approximately 3 hours long. The length of time is subject to change based on attendance.

 

My 2 cents. I have discussed this openly with several higher ranks than me and they all think it a great ideas. However they also felt that it should be a fee for it. I think that it is fine to get and give sometime that only cost you time and should be time well spent. Other feedback that I got was that even though you may workout on your own unless you are seeing your instructor on a regular basis it is very beneficial to come together, workout, share knowledge, to be critiqued and helped with your own techniques by other high ranks. 

     

I will host the first of these next month. (May) I currently have 2 dates May 9th. Or May 15th, May 15th, is also the same weekend as regional certification camp. I will do the workout with 1 or 100 plus. 

Mr Rick Glenn , has Agreed to host June date pending, Mr.David Packard  July date pending, August still waiting confirmation by the Rieselbach, Mr. Moh,Mr. Alison, iMs.Gottlieb,Ms,Clark, Girton"s, Sabree"s, Mr.Petitis, Mr. Klien and Mr.Piekarski chime in and pick a month to host. 

3. Seminars: Our Special invited  guest: Retire Police officer, 9th Degree  Black Belt, Highest ranking instructor in the United States for Doce Pere' Escrima system, Internationally Recognize Developer and instructor of the Hardened Target System. Grandmaster  Tom Sippins. I invited him. I have attended and been doing to clinic and workshop. I have also certified in the Hardened target system. I like a lot of the aspects of it. There is a lot of hand gun, Knife, stick, Kubaton (blunt weapon) and Empty hands involved. I saw it as opportunity to sharpen sme of the many skill sets we already have in a less chaotic fashion. I think it's a great teen and adult program but not juniors. I will like to see if any of you would be interested in attending, or hosting a seminar. I will tell you this the shortest one is 2 hours, only a break for water if you ask. Other vary in length full day, weekend and so on. The Certification one is actually 2 weeks but you can go at varying times. It is real intense training. If you have taken ATA Knife, Stick,or Sword and felt they were a hard workout then time 3 this program. 

4. Professionalism: The parameter of respect. This is not a topic that we  address this is just my 2 cents again. The way we talk to each other in the presents of our juniors is to me a big deal. The things we say and how we say them is also a big deal. I challenge any one of you to point out even a single instance where I was inappropriate in words or actions at any ATA event. To take that a step farther anytime that I was less that respectful to you in tone or action. Even in a heated moment where we may have disagreed at any event . I take pride in what I do. I believe in what we do. In spite of any issues that we have had. I will still support you. I have been an active member of the ATA since 1975. I stayed because I loved the way we all use to work together to help each other reach our goals in life and the martial arts. When I am offering to do things I am not thinking about myself, I am thinking about us. I am not going to look and smile in your  face and then stab you in the back. I see us a family and I have learned the hard way that families don't always agree on everything. I see a lot of you put your pride ahead of everything. Money before everything and some of you can be so petty. I still believe in the power of us. You can be a me, me, me person or I, I, I person. I really hope that you take a hard look and see that we is a lot  stronger choice. Be careful what you say and how you say it in an open forum. An remember that no matter how awesome you are, not a single one of us got where we are without help.

Sincerely 

Master Eddie L Murphy     

[Sabree3]

Evening,

Thank you Master Murphy and Mrs. R for your information and feedback.

-As far as the mini tournaments go, I agree with Mrs. R question.

-High rank workouts- with the right guidance/assitance the Sabrees would be interested in hosting one a workout. I do not agree with charging a fee. The ATA charges enough fees as it is. Charging fees may decrease the amount of people willing to come. Also, Sunday events are almost never a good day for us. If an event is on a Sunday, we more than likely will not be able to attend.

-"Professionalism/respect"-- This is my take on the WI instructor/owners issue. ....I started out as an "ATA mom", then became a student, then school owner and very soon to be a certified instructor. Nine years in this organizaton is not much compared to some of the seniors but I have seen a big change within thise none years.

There is a phrase used in nursing "Nurses eat our young" meaning the seasoned nurses treat new nurses badly, unfairly, tries to bring them down rather than lift them up etc......Unfortunately I've come to notice in WI the ATA "seniors eat their juniors". Not all seniors but it is more than enough.

In my opinion it's difficult to form a united front and support WI events with some of the seniors in this state when their attitudes towards "new comers" (such as myself) is less than welcoming. There is no harmony. It's almost like being back in highschool with all of the rumors and he said she said mess. It's like you're either in with the cool kids or you're excluded.

Just last month at the tournament a WI senior whom we know well snubbed Mr. Sabree and I. For whatever reason or whatever rumor this person may have heard this person looked at us, turned their nose up and turned their head away in what seemed like disgust. This type of behavior is the example a high ranking senior sets???? It's ridiculous.

Food for thought...until the WI owners learn to build one another up and support one another and STOP the juvenile antics this state will continue to be divided.

Kind regards,
Mrs. Sabree

[ATA Martial Arts-Burlington,WI]

Thank you Master Murphy for the great summary. I still struggle being able to attend tournaments given work (my day job) commitments so I appreciate it greatly. I recently switched jobs so hopefully this will get better in the future.

I'm really excited about the possibility of high rank workouts. I am willing to host in the September or October slot if one of those is still open. Is headquarters moving away from the concept of RAT camps? I haven't seen as many as there were in the past. The closest one looks like Ohio.

- Mr. Klein


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Mr. Klein,

They did not have any Rat camps in 2014.  They announced  the reinstatment of the RAT camps at Spring Nationals.

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Thank you Master Murphy for the great summary. I still struggle being able to attend tournaments given work (my day job) commitments so I appreciate it greatly. I recently switched jobs so hopefully this will get better in the future. I'm really excited about the possibility of high rank workouts. I am willing to host in the September or October slot if one of those is still open. Is headquarters moving away from the concept of RAT camps? I haven't seen as many as there were in the past. The closest one looks like Ohio. - Mr. Klein -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/26/15, 'Sabree3' via ATA Wisconsin School & Club Owners wrote: Subject: Updates To: ata...@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, April 26, 2015, 10:27 PM Evening,     Thank you Master Murphy and Mrs. R for your information and feedback. -As far as the mini tournaments go, I agree with Mrs. R question. -High rank workouts- with the right guidance/assitance the Sabrees would be interested in hosting one a workout. I do not agree with charging a fee. The ATA charges enough fees as it is. Charging fees may decrease the amount of people willing to come.  Also, Sunday events are almost never a good day for us. If an event is on a Sunday, we more than likely will not be able to attend. -"Professionalism/respect"-- This is my take on the WI instructor/owners issue. ....I started out as an "ATA mom", then became a student, then school owner and very soon to be a certified instructor. Nine years in this organizaton is not much compared to some of the seniors but I have seen a big change within thise none years. There is a phrase used in nursing "Nurses eat our young" meaning the seasoned nurses treat new nurses badly, unfairly, tries to bring them down rather than lift them up etc......Unfortunately I've come to notice in WI the ATA "seniors eat their juniors". Not all seniors but it is more than enough. In my opinion it's difficult to form a united front and support WI events with some of the seniors in this state when their attitudes towards "new comers" (such as myself) is less than welcoming. There is no harmony. It's almost like being back in highschool with all of the rumors and he said she said mess. It's like you're either in with the cool kids or you're excluded. Just last month at the tournament a WI senior whom we know well snubbed Mr. Sabree and I. For whatever reason or whatever rumor this person may have heard this person looked at us, turned their nose up and turned their head away in what seemed like disgust. This type of behavior is the example a high ranking senior sets???? It's ridiculous. Food for thought...until the WI owners learn to build one another up and support one another and STOP the juvenile antics this state will continue to be divided. Kind regards, Mrs. Sabree -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ATA Wisconsin School & Club Owners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ata_wi+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to ata...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ata_wi. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ATA Wisconsin School & Club Owners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ata_wi+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to ata...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ata_wi. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[murphysatatkd]

I personally appreciate all the feedback  that I have seen so far. Ms. R. You are correct that we did agree that everyone  that supports  the mini. Will get to host the entire  list will be sent out. The top 5 were to jump start the season.  The one that just ended was the last of the circuit. If am correct it a 2 year series to cycle  everyone that wants  to host through. This the beginning of the fist year.

I was asked about the parameters of respect issue. I want to see if I can clear it up a little  more. I was not trying  to  single out any one person. I was trying  to point out some of the many issues some that I feel are impacting us a group. 

1. Porfanity being used without concerns  for those around you

2. Not supporting event because  of personal  feelings  for a host rather than thinking about the overall  rewards and potential  benefit for your students.

3. Making negative  comments openly that may impact  how you are perceived  as instructor.

4. The way we handle issues  between ourselves. 

5. Avoiding  an issue  dose not make it go away. 

6. It is impossible  to have no contact  with  people that are actively  going to events. 

7. No one is perfect especially  me. 

I am sincere in my feeling on this. as a soldier  I had to work and spend time with people l would  much rather have not seen or worked with for the remainder of my life. Some supervised  me others I supervised. When it came time for me to rate them or reccommended them for promoting. My personal  feelings  never came into play. It was always based on there ability to the job. We shouldn't  stand people's way just because  we don't like them. We should  not avoid working with someone  who  may be able to help you because  of pride. You don't need to make insulting remarks to get your point across. These are just some of the things I see that I know with very little  effort  we can rise above. 

The RAT camps are still going  on the have been kind of trumped  by the elite  instrutor camps. 

Ms. Sabree  I totally  agree  with you I think we pay for enough  stuff I do see a reason to charge for the high rank workouts. For those of you that can make the workout  great it goes  without  saying that not everyone  will make them all. 

Mr. Klein that sounds September sounds  good. 

I hope this made sense. I type it on my phone. 

Thanks  again 

Sincerely 

Master Murphy 

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From: "ATA Martial Arts-Burlington,WI"

Date:04/27/2015 9:34 AM (GMT-06:00)

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Subject: Re: Updates

Thank you Master Murphy for the great summary.  I still struggle being able to attend tournaments given work (my day job) commitments so I appreciate it greatly.  I recently switched jobs so hopefully this will get better in the future.

I'm really excited about the possibility of high rank workouts.  I am willing to host in the September or October slot if one of those is still open.  Is headquarters moving away from the concept of RAT camps?  I haven't seen as many as there were in the past.  The closest one looks like Ohio.

- Mr. Klein


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[ATA Martial Arts - Burlington]

Master Murphy - I can make the May 9th date but would be unable to make the May 16th date.

[Steve Allison]

Master Murphy,

Thank you for the update. I really appreciate being kept in the loop, especially since I was not able to attend due to other responsibilities this past weekend. I read through everything and most everything made sense; however, I have a suggestion about the high  rank workouts.

I propose we re-start our quarterly workouts (rather than monthly0. Those seemed to draw a good number of people AND allowed time for us to plan (both on the hosting side AND on the attending side). I feel like we all have pretty busy schedules already and trying to squeeze in another monthly activity would be very difficult. PLUS, the monthly Black Belt Workouts we held in Madison for many years (and then around the state for 1 year) fell victim to dwindling attendance over time, in most part, due to the attendees other conflicts/obligations. Personally, I have the next 2 months fully booked and am already planning out as far as August and it is not even May yet. That being said, I will not be able to attend the May workout (I apologize in advance) due to other commitments on both the weekends mentioned.

I love the idea of keeping the workouts to the 3 hours and keeping them free. This is simlar to the regional workouts run (typically) by Chief Master Nominee Candreva and Senior Master Whitehead. What ranks will be allowed to attend? What is the planned content -- "general training", forms, sparring, weapons, and board breaking -- and will we want the format the same from session to session? Who will be instructing (will we divide up sections and rotate through instructors like we did previously)?

As for hosting, I personally no longer have access to a location that is available on weekends  (we teach out of a church space) nor that would fit our group size. The space I used to rent for the monthly black belt workouts (WI Youth Company gym) is not available anymore (since we do not teach out of there regularly). You have already mentioned the others that I would have suggested (Mr Moh and Master Plessel) here in the "central" part of the state.

Those are just my thoughts. I appreciate any comments and/or feedback from the group.

Steve

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[Eddie Murphy]

I am going to stand by the monthly high rank workouts. The reason is it allows a little more flexibility and greater opportunity for us to get together.Just doing them quarterly is what I believe is the reason we have not have one in over a year. If you can't make this one then you may be able to make the next one. 3rd Degree and up is what it has been in the past. However we can open it up 2nd degrees if we all agree.. I am not opposed to that. Everyone that attends must be formerly in the leadership or instruction program,  

[Moh's Martial Arts]

I'd be willing to host a workout if a space is required. Just let me know what weekend and I can check my schedule for any conflicts. Would love to start getting to know all the WI ATA team better.

Moh's Martial Arts

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[Michael Plessel]

I would be more than happy to host a workout once my build out is complete.  Just let me know when you are thinking and we can get something scheduled.  

Master Michael Plessel
6th Degree Black Belt

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[Glenn, Rick]

June 20^th should work for the Appleton workout.   Please pencil in.  I am traveling this week and need to confirm with Mrs. Glenn. 

 

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I would be more than happy to host a workout once my build out is complete.  Just let me know when you are thinking and we can get something scheduled.  

Master Michael Plessel
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[ATA Martial Arts - Burlington]

Thanks.

[Northshore ATA]

So, I've seen alot of talk about the workouts, however, no one really has commented on the mini tournaments.  I chose Fall of 2016.  Master Murphy, you have the next pick, etc.  Should we get this rolling so whoever has the Summer, 2015 pick can get started?

Also, who else wants to host a mini besides those listed in the top 5?  Our only stipulation for being able to host is that you MUST support the other minis.  

Mrs. R. 

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To: ata...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Updates Thank you Master Murphy for the great summary.  I still struggle being able to attend tournaments given work (my day job) commitments so I appreciate it greatly.  I recently switched jobs so hopefully this will get better in the future. I'm really excited about the possibility of high rank workouts.  I am willing to host in the September or October slot if one of those is still open.  Is headquarters moving away from the concept of RAT camps?  I haven't seen as many as there were in the past.  The closest one looks like Ohio. - Mr. Klein --------------------------------------------

[murphysatatkd]

That is a good  point Ms.R. Is there any way  you can narrow  fall down to a maybe a 2 month window. Since I am next I am going to pass to Mr. Glenn then choose  after that. 

[Glenn, Rick]

I am looking at Fall 2015 (this year) but have a question -  would you as school owners be ok with it being the same weekend as Fall Nationals?    I would rather not do that, but working around the regional tournaments and the Packer games is challenging. 

 

Can I get that feedback please?

[Steve Allison]

We may be going to Fall Nationals to allow Ms. Allison (Kennedy) to test for her 4th degree (providing she finishes all her midterms by then AND her UW-Madison Marching Band schedule allows -- providing she make it into the band this Summer). So, I would prefer the workout NOT be the same weekend as Fall Nationals, but that is just me.

Steve

[Glenn, Rick]

Thanks Sir!

 

This is for a potential WI mini tournament not a high rank work out.   But I assume the same applies.   I will wait for others to respond,  but I do not like that weekend either (but it is the Packer’s bye week).  Why I was asking… 

[Northshore ATA]

Currently not planning on attending Fall Nationals.  We usually go to Spring Nationals. 

 

R.

 

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[Northshore ATA]

Master Murphy,

 

I believe we agreed a 4 month window for the minis.  It would be hard to narrow down to 2 month window without a regional or national events calendar for 2016.  Thinking Sept/October, but reserve the right to change it.

[Northshore ATA]

So, Master Murphy and Mr. Glenn have switched picks.  Here is what we have so far:

 

Summer (May-Aug) 2015

Fall (Sept-Dec) 2015 - Glenn (October)

Spring (Jan-April) 2016

Summer (May-Aug) 2016

Fall (Sept-Dec) 2016 - Rieselbach

 

Again, anyone else interested in hosting after Master Murphy, Mr. Packard and Ms. Gottlieb pick?

 

Mrs. R

[Sabree Three]

Afternoon,

    As of yet the Sabrees are not planning on going to fall nationals. So that weekend sounds good for us. THANK YOU for considering the Packers games too (priorities).

Mrs. Sabree

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[Sabree Three]

Afternoon,

   Summer of 2016 the Sabrees would be interested if it is still avaliable after everyone higher on the list has picked a time frame.

Mrs. Sabree

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[Kristin Gottlieb]

Looking ahead at my calendar... It looks like Spring of 2016 will work best for hosting my mini tournament. I will get a more specific month as it gets closer...once I know for sure.

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[Northshore ATA]

Hello all,

 

The Sabrees have expressed interest in a tournament, and Ms. Gottlieb has expressed interest in the Spring 2016 tournament.  

 

Before penciling those dates in, we still need Master Murphy's pick.  Sir, please choose asap so we can get it on the calendar.  Ms. Gottlieb's pick is after Master Murphy's, followed by Mr. Packard.  As the Sabrees are interested in a tournament, does anyone disagree with them hosting?  We need feed back on that.  Shall we add a Spring 2017 option as well?  This last cycle was 7 tournaments. 

 

Here is what we have so far:

 

Summer (May-Aug) 2015

Fall (Sept-Dec) 2015 - Glenn (October)

Spring (Jan-April) 2016 - Gottlieb expressed interest

Summer (May-Aug) 2016 - Sabree expressed interest

Fall (Sept-Dec) 2016 - Rieselbach (Sept/Oct)

Spring (Jan-April) 2017??

 

Again, besides the Sabrees, is anyone else interested in hosting after Master Murphy, Ms. Gottlieb and Mr. Packard pick?

 

Mrs. R

[murphysatatkd]

Mr. Glenn  or Ms. R would  be so kind as to provide the complete list of those  that sent participants to the past minis. This  actually help to avoid confusion and frustration. Please list them in the order they would in first  to last.  I was actually looking  at Spring  of next year 2016 however I was waiting  to see if anyone was interested  in doing  the summer  first. I did not remember  the seasons being 4 months long. I do remember that we would do at least 3 minis a year.

So I will ask it this way is their anyone in the top 5 that wants to do the summer mini? Then we will proceed  from  there.  

[Eddie Murphy]

High Rank workout May 9th, 1pm. full uniform all sparring gear. I am sure I have enough  bags, pads and boards so no need to bring your own unless you just want to.  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Northshore ATA" <in...@northshoreata.com> Date:Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 8:38 AM Subject:Re: Updates

[Eddie Murphy]

Sorry forgot to put in the address. 3900 W brown deer road, Suite #100. Brown Deer.WI  53209 phone 4143508699

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