FYI initial LINUX * Experience with HP Omnibook XE3 Silver Edition // SuSE 7.3
Walter Haberl
I have bougth an Omnibook XE3 Silver Edition, brand new model, Tualatin
Core, FSB133, nice thing, good price. I will give a short overview what is
needed for basic Linux operation based on SuSE 7.3 professional
I limit on Display, Sound and Network. If you have this you can work with
the Notebook. Other things like TV Out, CDRW, etc. are things that I haven't
yet tested, they can be tested/configured/researched anytime as long as one
can access the net with the laptop and have a good desktop (and hears his
favourite MP3s ;-).
The Notebook installs flawless. But then you have no network, no audio and
800x600 resolution.
For network you go to:
http://appsr.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?ProductID=407&DwnldID=2896
and download the Driver for Intel Pro /100VE. Compile it as module -
description is well done in the readme-file.
For Resolution you need go to:
http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel830M/tti013.htm because the new
Omnibooks with the strong 1066mhz Tualatin P3 have the new Intel 830MG
Graphics-Chip and no Savage Card anymore.
For Audio you do not need to install anything, you just need to go to the
control center -> YaST2 modules -> Hardware -> Sound and go through the
Soundconfiguration ONCE. For I do not know why you will need a reboot before
you hear something, at least I do not know how to activate it - who cares
for one more reboot during installation anyhow. If you do not hear
something, check the mixer. The Sound is named "ES1988 Allegro" (ESS
Allegro).
Reading Data from CDRom or DVD-Rom is no problem, btw. I booted and
installed SuSE 7.3 (full) from DVD Rom without trouble.
Standby works in both ways (i.e. it wakes up again from standby)
APM Batterycontrol seems to work.
What not (yet) works:
My first "Attempt" to access my Win2K-Network failed. Samba is obviously not
something you configure without any doc reading ...
The Hibernation seems to work but does not wake up anymore. You need to
"Needle-Reset" the notebook (the small hole on the left side)
I can not compile a kernel and do not know why. It seems to make everything
but then says "error 2" at the end. No new kernel. I do not think this is a
hardware related task but as long as I do not find out why this happens, I
can not totally exclude this possibility.
The Notebook does not react on the Volume-set by the FN+Cursor-Keys. You
need the GUI Mixer or the Player Volume control to do this.
Everything not mentioned I simply haven't tried yet. I just have it since
last Saturday and I am totally new to Linux.
have fun, Walter.
Wolfgang Fuschlberger
[snip]
> For network you go to:
> http://appsr.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?ProductID=407&DwnldID=2896
> and download the Driver for Intel Pro /100VE. Compile it as module -
> description is well done in the readme-file.
>
> For Resolution you need go to:
> http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel830M/tti013.htm because the new
> Omnibooks with the strong 1066mhz Tualatin P3 have the new Intel 830MG
> Graphics-Chip and no Savage Card anymore.
faszinierend. bei jeder neuen Notebookversion nehmen sie eine Hardware, die
von Linux garantiert noch nicht OOTB unterstützt wird. (war bei mir bei
soundchip und networkchip so)
> What not (yet) works:
> My first "Attempt" to access my Win2K-Network failed. Samba is obviously not
> something you configure without any doc reading ...
wenn der sambaserver unter linux richtig konfiguriert ist kann es auch an
den (nicht)verschlüsselten passwörtern auf windows-seite liegen (ich weiß
nicht auswendig, wie das grad bei win2k ausschaut. aber in der Doku steht
sicher was :-)
> The Hibernation seems to work but does not wake up anymore. You need to
> "Needle-Reset" the notebook (the small hole on the left side)
Du weißt aber schon, daß Du vom hibernation-mode mit
- entweder dem Ein/Ausschaltknopf
- oder mit der blauen Mondsicheltaste in der Mitte vorne beim Display
wieder einschalten solltest? (sonst kann man sich nämlich auch ganz
herrlich die Festplatte zerschiessen)
> I can not compile a kernel and do not know why. It seems to make everything
> but then says "error 2" at the end. No new kernel. I do not think this is a
> hardware related task but as long as I do not find out why this happens, I
> can not totally exclude this possibility.
Glaskugel: Dir fehlt ncurses(-dev)
> The Notebook does not react on the Volume-set by the FN+Cursor-Keys. You
> need the GUI Mixer or the Player Volume control to do this.
wenn ich es jetzt auswendig richtig im Kopf habe, steht in der Anleitung
meines XE3, daß die Lautstärkeregler sich auf den PcSpeaker beziehen, nicht
auf die Soundkarte
> Everything not mentioned I simply haven't tried yet. I just have it since
> last Saturday and I am totally new to Linux.
weiterhin viel Spaß mit dem Teil
wolfgang
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Can anyone translate this please?
Walter Haberl
> <snip>
>
> Can anyone translate this please?
Hi, weil ichs auch in nicht-deutsche Newsgroups gepostet habe, hab ichs
englisch verfasst, ich fasse es auf Deutsch nochmal hier zusammen:
Omnibook XE3 Silver Edition mit neuem P3 Tualatin Kern, 512kb Cache, 133mhz
Frontsidebus.
Ich verwende SuSE Linux Professional und beziehe mich hauptsaechlich mal auf
Display, Netzwerk und Sound, denn wenn das laeuft, kann man sich um alles
andere (TV-Out, CDRW, etc) spaeter in Ruhe kuemmern. Gut sehen, hoeren und
ins Netz waren fuer mich am Anfang mal wichtig.
Die Installation (von einer DVD gebootet) geht klaglos, man hat dann aber:
Kein Sound, 800x600 am Display mit dem feschen schwarzen Rahmen, kein Netz.
Um Netz zu bekommen gehe man zu
http://appsr.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?ProductID=407&DwnldID=2896
und hole den Treiber für die Intel Pro /100VE. Als Modul kompilieren, steht
in der (englischen) Anleitung sehr gut beschrieben.
Für 1024x768 Aufloesung gehe man zu
http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel830M/tti013.htm
denn offenbar haben sie die S3 Karten gegen die neuen Intel 830MG Chips
ausgetauscht (besserer Chip aber halt noch nicht unterstuetzt)
Fuer die Soundkarte muss man nix installieren, nur einmal die Konfiguration
durchlaufen:
control center -> YaST2 modules -> Hardware -> Sound
Ich musste rebooten bevor ich was hoeren konnte, aber als langjaehriger MS
Mitlaeufer bin ich an Reboots gewoehnt, vielleicht gehts auch anders. Wenn
man nichts hoert, den Mixer checken. Das Teil ist ein "ES1988 Allegro" (ESS
Allegro).
Daten vom DVD/CDRW lesen war kein Problem (FilmDVDs nicht getestet, AudioCDs
nicht getestet)
Standby funktioniert.
APM Batterieladezustandskontrolle scheint auch zu funktionieren
(Noch) nicht funktioniert:
Mein erster Versuch, auf mein Win2K Netz zuzugriefen. Aber das war ein
Schnellschuss ohne Lesen von Doku. Out of the Box gehts jedenfalls nicht
ohne Aufwand offenbar.
Hibernation (Speichern des Zustandes auf Platte) scheint ok, aber er laesst
sich nicht mehr reaktivieren. Er muss resettet werden mit einer Bueroklammer
ins Resetloch.
Ich kann keinen Kernel kompilieren. Glaube zwar nicht an ein Hardwareproblem
dabei aber solange ich die Ursache nicht kenne, schliesse ich es nicht aus.
Die Volumetasten auf der Tastatur tun nichts. Man muss die Lautstaerke auf
dem Mixer oder der Applikation aendern.
Alles, was hier nicht erwaehnt wurde, hab ich einfach noch nicht probiert.
Ich hab das NB erst seit Samstag und bin ein Linux Neuling.
have fun, Walter.
Markus Hammer
here comes the
Translation... ( you can allways use babelfish / or you could notice that
this newsgroup is german speaking - at.linux
"at" stands for austria / there are no kangaroos in austria )
> Walter Haberl <wha...@gmx.at> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> For network you go to:
>> http://appsr.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?ProductID=407&DwnldID=2896
>> and download the Driver for Intel Pro /100VE. Compile it as module -
>> description is well done in the readme-file.
>>
>> For Resolution you need go to:
>> http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel830M/tti013.htm because the new
>> Omnibooks with the strong 1066mhz Tualatin P3 have the new Intel 830MG
>> Graphics-Chip and no Savage Card anymore.
>
> faszinierend. bei jeder neuen Notebookversion nehmen sie eine Hardware, die
> von Linux garantiert noch nicht OOTB unterstützt wird. (war bei mir bei
> soundchip und networkchip so)
fascinating that with each new notebook vendors choose hardware that is
not yet supported by linux. ( happened with my soundchip and networkchip )
>
>> What not (yet) works:
>> My first "Attempt" to access my Win2K-Network failed. Samba is obviously not
>> something you configure without any doc reading ...
>
> wenn der sambaserver unter linux richtig konfiguriert ist kann es auch an
> den (nicht)verschlüsselten passwörtern auf windows-seite liegen (ich weiß
> nicht auswendig, wie das grad bei win2k ausschaut. aber in der Doku steht
> sicher was :-)
could be that if you configured the samba-server under linux correctly,
the problems lie in unencrypted passwords on the windows side. ( the
documentation of samba?/Win2k? should be usefull for that - i dont know how
it works with win2k )
>
>> The Hibernation seems to work but does not wake up anymore. You need to
>> "Needle-Reset" the notebook (the small hole on the left side)
>
> Du weißt aber schon, daß Du vom hibernation-mode mit
> - entweder dem Ein/Ausschaltknopf
> - oder mit der blauen Mondsicheltaste in der Mitte vorne beim Display
> wieder einschalten solltest? (sonst kann man sich nämlich auch ganz
> herrlich die Festplatte zerschiessen)
do you know that you wake up from hibernation by:
- pressing the on/off button
- pressing the blue moon-shaped button in the middle of the display
(else you could mess up your filesystem and harddisk)
>> I can not compile a kernel and do not know why. It seems to make everything
>> but then says "error 2" at the end. No new kernel. I do not think this is a
>> hardware related task but as long as I do not find out why this happens, I
>> can not totally exclude this possibility.
>
> Glaskugel: Dir fehlt ncurses(-dev)
my magic-sphere says you are missing ncurses-(dev).rpm
>
>> The Notebook does not react on the Volume-set by the FN+Cursor-Keys. You
>> need the GUI Mixer or the Player Volume control to do this.
>
> wenn ich es jetzt auswendig richtig im Kopf habe, steht in der Anleitung
> meines XE3, daß die Lautstärkeregler sich auf den PcSpeaker beziehen, nicht
> auf die Soundkarte
my documentation of the XE3 tells me these buttons trigger the volume-control
of the speaker, not the soundcard.
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Wolfgang Fuschlberger <usen...@fuschlberger.net> writes:
|> Walter Haberl <wha...@gmx.at> wrote:
|>
|> [snip]
|>
|> > For network you go to:
|> > http://appsr.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?ProductID=407&DwnldID=2896
|> > and download the Driver for Intel Pro /100VE. Compile it as module -
|> > description is well done in the readme-file.
|> >
|> > For Resolution you need go to:
|> > http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel830M/tti013.htm because the new
|> > Omnibooks with the strong 1066mhz Tualatin P3 have the new Intel 830MG
|> > Graphics-Chip and no Savage Card anymore.
|>
|> faszinierend. bei jeder neuen Notebookversion nehmen sie eine Hardware, die
|> von Linux garantiert noch nicht OOTB unterstützt wird. (war bei mir bei
|> soundchip und networkchip so)
Fascinating? What is fascinating? Sorry but I don't understand german.
Would be interested in what you said.
For those interested, I posted how I solved the problem of RECENT HP
omnibook XE3 for redhat 7.1.
You can find it under google newsgroup: "X server on HP OmniBook XE3 laptop"
My only probem was with the graphic drive and solved without any patch
using frame buffer, waiting for XFree 4.2 to use the proper 830MG driver.
Anne
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Markus Hammer
> Fascinating? What is fascinating? Sorry but I don't understand german.
> Would be interested in what you said.
>
> For those interested, I posted how I solved the problem of RECENT HP
> omnibook XE3 for redhat 7.1.
> You can find it under google newsgroup: "X server on HP OmniBook XE3 laptop"
> My only probem was with the graphic drive and solved without any patch
> using frame buffer, waiting for XFree 4.2 to use the proper 830MG driver.
^^^^^^^^^
xfree 4.2 is out =)
Walter Haberl
"Markus Hammer"
> xfree 4.2 is out =)
Where ??? xfree.org says (from Dec. 17th 2001):
"The 4.2.0 release has been delayed by a few month for various reasons. For
now we are not able to provide a new schedule."
Stefan Kleyer
>> xfree 4.2 is out =)
>
> Where ??? xfree.org says (from Dec. 17th 2001): "The 4.2.0 release has
> been delayed by a few month for various reasons. For now we are not able
> to provide a new schedule."
>
Here: ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/
Bye, Stefan
Walter Haberl
"Walter Haberl"
> For network you go to:
>
http://appsr.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?ProductID=407&DwnldID=2896
> and download the Driver for Intel Pro /100VE. Compile it as module -
> description is well done in the readme-file.
All you really need to do on SuSE 7.3 is to put into /etc/modules.conf the
alias eth0 e100
It is not necessary to download the driver, compile and "install" it.
have fun, W.
Jon Wilson
read a lot of contradictory reports on their compatibility. It seems that
there are a number of different models all going under the same name??? Is
there any way in which you can tell the difference between them? Also can
you post the full specs of the laptop? When and where did you buy it? Also
can you please post more detail on what you cannot confirm to work as yet.
Sorry for all the questions.
Many thanks for your help.
Jon
"Walter Haberl" <wha...@gmx.at> wrote in message
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Walter Haberl
*) All Omnibooks with the Intel 830MG Graphic Chip seem to be the "new"
ones, the old ones have Savage Graphic Cards.
*) The Full Specs can be obtained
here:http://www.hewlett-packard.de/mobile/omnibook/obxe3.html?t=1 and you
look to the model with the P3-M with 512KB L2 Cache. My model has NO
autonomous CD Player, no Firewire, no IR but everything else.
*) I bought it at "Saturn" in Vienna
*) Up to now I did not get USB to work, no Suspend (it does not wake up) and
the superbe 830MG must be run with vesa drivers. With RedHat you can never
switch back to Console, all Screen is messed up. Suse can do it. I compiled
Kernel 2.4.17 several times and had no success - but I must admit I am not
very used to build kernels.
The only way to tell that the battery is low is to watch the XE3 to shut
off. The batterystatus does not work. Will well be the same basic reason as
suspend - the XE3-APM is not working under Linux, I guess.
Please let me make clear that this Omnibook XE3 is a fine, affordable
High-End Notebook. It is imho superior to all NBs that I compared it with at
a reasonable price. The sad thing is, that it is not well supported by
actual Linux distributions. So in my opinion I would not recommend it as
Linux Notebook. I would however, recommend it as Windows Notebook, that is
for what it is designed.
And I blame HP only for one thing: They should have named it XE4 - this
would have avoided a lot of confusion.
"Jon Wilson" <jdw...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Jon Wilson
confusing. I have built and installed linux-2.4.17 on my desktop so if you
can post the output from the build I may be able to help. You are running
through the right steps? "make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install".
If you miss out dep it can get funny and sometimes clean can help if you
have changed settings since the last build. As for the USB there are two
types (OHCI and UHCI me thinks), you sure you are using the right one?
Please keep me posted on how you get on.
Many thanks.
Jon
P.S. What are the implications of using the VESA drivers for the display?
"Walter Haberl" <wha...@gmx.at> wrote in message
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Walter Haberl
"Jon Wilson"
> Thanks for clearing up a load of things. The model number is somewhat
> confusing. I have built and installed linux-2.4.17 on my desktop so if you
> can post the output from the build I may be able to help. You are running
Does this mean you have an XE3 like mine running? If so, what does lspci
show?
> through the right steps? "make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install".
> If you miss out dep it can get funny and sometimes clean can help if you
> have changed settings since the last build.
In the meantime I was able to build a kernel and run it but it is still not
working well, I tried 2.4.17. Yes, I ran through these steps, my mistake was
to use the "kernel configurator" instead of "make xconfig".
> As for the USB there are two
> types (OHCI and UHCI me thinks), you sure you are using the right one?
UHCI is what I am using.
> Please keep me posted on how you get on.
I gave up. I have measured performance, the Bridge is not supported
(unknown) and the machine as whole seems to be dead slow under Linux. I
played with hdparm -c1 -A1 -d1 /dev/hda and performance increased a little
bit. Overall the system seems to be running with brakes engaged all the
time, so I give up.
> Many thanks.
> Jon
> P.S. What are the implications of using the VESA drivers for the display?
Slow.