Political Alert!!!

[Zeno Mondibus]

Calling all members!
Calling all eco-friendly bicycles!

It is one (1) day before the first event.

What is the status of Vallone? Is he with us?

I must take the responsibility (and blame) for not contacting Sklar and
Kann.
Too many cigarettes later and not wanting to become embroiled in local
politics I have imprudently neglected
to attend Kann's Fundraising Event and thereby missed an important
opportunity. My bad.
I, however will make it a point within the next day or two (2) to touch
basis with these two (2) individuals,
with all the attendent obsequiousness and apologies that protocol demands.
I hesitate (although am willing) to contact Vallone. But given my politics I
might be more damaging to our cause than helping.
I understand that Robyn has this responsibility. What are the logistics?
What time-frame for initial contact?

I think that the first event will be a success regardless, but the second is
only a few weeks away.

zeno

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[joey in astoria]

Hey zeno -

Thanks for your concern. Robyn and I are coordinating contact with the electeds & co as part of my marketing efforts, so don't worry about it. Thanks tho, for the reminder.

Joanna

--
joey in astoria @ http://astorianyc.blogspot.com

[Meg Cotner]

Just for my information and benefit, how do bikes fit into this? I am
confused. Don't get me wrong, I love bikes and they are important,
I'm just confused. :)

Meg

[Zeno Mondibus]

Bicycles are more ecologically friendly than automobiles. I wanted to say
"Calling all cars", but for a disaster relief that has it's origins in the
possibility of Global Warming would IMHO be un-PC.

<smile>,
zeno

[Bundy, Robyn [SB]]

My recollection is that we discussed contacting the candidates and decided not to, in order to avoid our events being used for campaigning.  Am I wrong?

 

Also, I don't think we should contact V, as C has offered to do this and they are friends.  Let's let him do it. 

 

This is the committee's responsibility - we're on top of it but i'm not prepared to spell out the details on a semi-public forum.  Please don't worry.

[Meg Cotner]

Ah! I see. Yes, I agree, so RIGHT ON!!

Thanks,
Meg
former bicycle activist

[Zeno Mondibus]

I do recollect something like that, yet at the same time C is going to
contact V. This is not equitable.

I say, alert them all to our presense. And why the secrecy? I recognize the
committee only so far as that committee is Transparent. Too often we create
structures to perform a job and the structure seeks to preserve itself for
it's own sake, which in the context of a charity and a <temporary>
organization seems illogical. I'll take it upon myself to contact them all
if I don't see a definite plan. Being apolitical is not necessarily being
asocial. If they want to use us for their campaign, so what? Shouldn't the
government be doing what we are doing right now anyway?

-Need more input from the other members
-And BTW, what is the deal with Molly the dancer? The group still seeks an
explanation of why she was turned down. May I remind you again that she will
be performing on the sidewalk, which again is Public Property. Could it be
that the artists will see her as a threat? I cannot in all conscience
believe that.

Servant of AHR,
----Zeno.

>From: "Bundy, Robyn [SB]" <robyn...@citigroup.com>
>Reply-To: astoria...@googlegroups.com
>To: <astoria...@googlegroups.com>

>Subject: RE: Political Alert!!!
>Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:11:55 -0400
>
>My recollection is that we discussed contacting the candidates and decided
>not to, in order to avoid our events being used for campaigning. Am I
>wrong?
>
>Also, I don't think we should contact V, as C has offered to do this and
>they are friends. Let's let him do it.
>
>This is the committee's responsibility - we're on top of it but i'm not
>prepared to spell out the details on a semi-public forum. Please don't
>worry.
>

>On 10/6/05, Zeno Mondibus < <mailto:zeno_...@hotmail.com>

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[Meg Cotner]

Who is Molly?

Meg

On 10/6/05, Zeno Mondibus <zeno_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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[Robyn Bundy]

I've very clearly explained that the peach event is fully booked. i
told molly to call me if she had questions and she has not called me.

even if i did have time, the sidewalk is not property for general use.
I cannot agree to let someone use that space without discussing it with
the peach and checking with the city government to see if we need a
permit to block the sidewalk. i have already discussed things like
this with them in a separate context and it IS an issue. i had to
submit a proposal to matt and meesh explaining exactly how we intended
to use their space. i am not prepared to do all of this again, and i
am already fully booked.

i am not being secretive in saying that i do not want to post sensitive
material on a public forum. if this were an in-person meeting or phone
call i would be glad to give more information. but i am not going to
post conjectures about public figures in a place where anyone could
surf in and read it. this group is not secure or private and for me to
do so would be a breach of integrity.

[Zeno Mondibus]

FYI: Molly does Not need a permit for her 4 minute performance (that is her
Constitutional Right to Free Speech) and Meesh was cool with the idea,
although he is reluctant to get embroiled in our politics. When you say
"fully booked" do you mean to tell me that every minute from 8pm till
midnight is accounted for?

-Need more input (for now I'll hold my peace)
Zero

>From: "Robyn Bundy" <robyn...@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: astoria...@googlegroups.com
>To: "astoriansRelief" <astoria...@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: Re: Political Alert!!!

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[Laura Mello]

Zeno,

From a legal perspective, we MUST follow procedures that we have set up.  We have legal and ethical responsibilities to ourselves, the members of the public, and the venues that are providing space, that make it IMPERATIVE that we do things in a private, consistent manner.  There most certainly does need to be private communications on many of these issues - not in the least, from a legal perspective. 

We have cleared lists of performers with each venue.  We, as individual group members, have not had the right at any point to independently invite performers.  Your assumption that the performances will go on until midnight is incorrect.  There has been a set time frame, and it is filled.

On 10/6/05, Zeno Mondibus <zeno_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Zeno Mondibus]

It is difficult for me to be in the know when the performaces are to end
when I (and everyone else in the group) have been kept in the dark
concerning the line-up all along. I've invited Molly to attend as an
individual and she will perform as an individual on the sidewalk which is
still public space, whether we like it or no.
One of our sponsers btw (Meesh) thought this was a good idea and even he
doesn't know what the line-up is, (In his Own Cafe'!). He doesn't want to be
brought in it however.

As far as privacy, ethics and the law are concerned I have to ask why We
forulated this group to begin with?
To set up some pyramidal beauracracy or to actually help the people of New
Orleans?

With all due respect to my dear Lanseauz,
Zeno

[Laura Mello]

The lineup is on the website.

[Zeno Mondibus]

Molly is a leader of a socially conscious dance troup who wanted to perform
(and will) at the Peach.
She has agreed not to go at loggerheads with the scheduled performers (or
steal their spotlight) and her performance will only be 4 minutes in length,
and that on the sidewalk (not blocking the entrance). She has her own
following which will be contributing money for our efforts.

But, then again, why should you know when all internal communications are
kept secret? even among the members who IMO have contributed the most
(Flooze come to mind).

-Zen

[Susan Vasconcelos]

no im ok with only knowing what i need to know. my brain can't really
wrap itself around alot of this technical stuff anyway. continue on
good people!

thanks for playin
sooz

[Zeno Mondibus]

The lineup on the website gives no indication of which performers are going
to appear where and what times their performances are beginning or ending.
Come on people, a little more organization and detail here would be
appreciated for those of us who should be in the "know" in order that we
more effectively do our collective "jobs". ;-)

Btw, not to be facetious. Who actually Owns Astorians for Hurricane Relief?
All of us? One of us?
The Internal Committee? or None of us. I need clarification here.

Off topic:
P.S.: @Laura: Is your husband still interested in helping out with AFPJ in
regards to our Full-Disclosure for Military Recruits campaign?

-zeno

[Zeno Mondibus]

I understand your sentiments Flooze!
but I, however Do have the headspace and time to wrap around these technical
issues. And yes, I Do want to know what's going on (especially things that
I'm personally involved in) and that, " In It's Entirety." There is a
principle at work here and I believe that it is within your right even if
you weren't interested to know what is going on and what decisions are being
made in your name, (which is AHR).
We can take a lesson here from Astorians For Peace and Justice and their
effective, egalitarian format for running a campaign or a meeting. This
whole corporate model of hierarchy and power for it's own sake I am quite
anathema to and I am not (nor will I ever be) afraid to say it.

-Zero

>From: "Susan Vasconcelos" <soozi...@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: astoria...@googlegroups.com
>To: "astoriansRelief" <astoria...@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: Re: Political Alert!!!

[jtane]

I don't entirely understand the great need to have these politicians
know about our events, or be involved. What benefit do the politicians
present to our cause? As far as I am personally concerned, our main
concern is getting asses in the seats and getting as much $$$ for
donations to be given to Americas Second Harvest. Period. I feel that
I have been kept in the loop as much as I need to be. If I have had a
question regarding the logistics, I have spoken to the main organizers,
and they have answered my questions. I think perhaps Zeno is taking
this a little too personally.

These events serve one single purpose...
Performances to raise donations to support the clean-up efforts
associated with the recent hurricanes. Period. Everyone here cares a
great deal about these events, and are doing our best to promote them
and make them as large and succesfull as possible. There are specific
people handling the background legistics, that frankly the majority of
us don't need to know about. All we need to know is that we need to
get as many people there as possible to raise as much money as
possible.

My two cents...

[Zeno Mondibus]

@jtrane: Need to know basis. I completely understand.

And in answer to your query, these so-called "politicians" can bring Money
to our events. It is an avenue that should be explored. If you want to take
sides and be "governed" by self-appointed leaders (carrying my initial vote,
which I wouldn't have given if I could seen how this would turn out) then,
I'm totally o.k. with that. But when it comes to long drawn out arguments on
where a secondary distribution point should be (besides Robyn's house, which
personally is inconvenient and expensive for me to get to ) in order to get
those flyers In Hand to Re-distribute, then I must take exception to that.
It's easy to snap our fingers and as if by magic say "Let there be Event"
"or "Let there be people filling those seats" it is quite another to do the
actual leg-work, to which "the rest of us" plebians have been so relegated.

And you are quite right jtrane, there is no great "need" to get these
politicians involved, nor any "great need" for other socially minded
community groups, nor independent artists "un-sanctioned" by us that want to
contribute, nor anyone else for that matter, just as long as we fill those
seats. Very nice paradigm to abide by... it's called Capitalism.

-Working my ass off spreading the word and feeling blocked at every turn, my
2 cents,
Zeno.

>From: "jtane" <josh....@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: astoria...@googlegroups.com
>To: "astoriansRelief" <astoria...@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: Re: Political Alert!!!

[Susan Vasconcelos]

wow, this has become something huh?
~here's another 2 cents~
i think we are all "working our asses off" because we want to. i signed
up for everything that i am doing knowing to what extent i would work.
everything that we are doing is worth it. i want to help. im not losing
any money on this deal. all im giving is my time. im happy to do it. As
i've said before, use me. anything i can do i will do for this because
its something i believe in. The people in charge are in charge for a
reason, and i trust them to do their part. i'm not taking anything
going on here personally cause this isn't about me. So weird. Zeno, i
saw you tonight and didn't get the anger that i get in these
correspondences. i can understand getting a little frustrated at times,
but please don't be upset. this is all for a greater good. we're coming
together, slowly but surely.
........ahhh beginners!

be good, be nice!
sooz

[Zeno Mondibus]

Excuse my frustration Flooze, and yes the "people in charge" are there (or
were for a reason), one of which may I remind everyone that I was one of the
four people present to Elect them. Since then, I have been criticized and
Blocked at every turn and had nothing to do with the decision process at
all. The understanding was that the committee would be elected to make
decisions in people's absense because they couldn't find the time and Not to
keep them in the dark! Again, this is the "principle" kind of the thing.

Zeno

>From: "Susan Vasconcelos" <soozi...@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: astoria...@googlegroups.com
>To: "astoriansRelief" <astoria...@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: Re: Political Alert!!!

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