Itachi 1 6
Matilda Equiluz
Appearance: Like birds and spiders, many other animals develop into yōkai when they reach a certain age. Japanese weasels, known as itachi, are disconcerting animals. They bring ill omens, and people fear their particular brand of magic. Like most animals-turned-yōkai, they possess shape-shifting abilities in addition to a number of supernatural powers.
Origin: In the old days, weasels were believed to transform into ten (martens) or mujina (badgers or tanuki, depending on the region) after reaching an old age. Additionally, the names ten and itachi were often used interchangeably. As a result, there is confusion over which animal is being referred to in many stories.
So yeah, basically I made this topic is because I'm in a middle of a debate with my friend right now. I told him that it would be a mismatch if Itachi fought Minato (both Edo Tensei) and y'all know how a typical Itachi fanboy would response ("Genjutsu GG, Unlimited Amaterasu, Susanoo, Yata Mirror, Totsuka Sword, blablabla!"). No offense lol, I like both characters but I need help from y'all to decide who wins this battle and how the fight would go on. A clear explanation (on how Minato // Itachi would win the fight) will be helpful, Thanks :)
Edo Itachi must win this. With unlimited chakra comes unlimited amaterasu and susanoo with totsuka. Both of them will end Minato while Minato isn't getting past Susanoo unless Minato is allowed to use Kyuubi.
Minato usually goes straight to KCM when edo. He also usually goes straight to laying out FTG tags. Plus he's very analytical, figuring that the masked man (Obito) had similarities to Madara (or being Madara). Mangekyou Sharingan. So, he's really smart. On the other hand, you have Itachi, smartest guy in the leaf outside maybe shikimaru and his dad. And he never starts out battles using AMA. Nor in edo did he just spam it (He didn't even use it as much as Sasuke does normally). However, he did have a ton of Susanno usage going on. So we can expect him to go directly to that. Also, pre-edo, he started off using Tsukiyomi.
So if Minato can avoid tsukiyomi at the beginning. He has a shot, if he falls for it.... well it's over. Minato has no way of getting past Susanno defense without using Bijuu bombs. So FTG/rasengan/etc. won't really help. But good news is, he's already in KCM. Itachi will likely get Minato w/tsukiyomi at the very beginning of fight 1-2/10. He will get him with Susanno 4-5/10 (by tricking/strategically manipulating Minato). Minato however, has FTG and Kurama, plus mild sensory lvl's thanks to Kurama. So Minato handles this 5.5/10. Could be pushed towards Itachi, but you'd have to explain why,
@big_news: he didn't fight madara in sage mode because he said he didn't know how to use it in combat, and it takes too long for him to enter. That's the whole reason why guy had to open the 8th gate. Itachi allowed himself to be tagged by kabuto to protect sasuke Ann's to set up izanami. He was fast enough to keep up with kcm Naruto, and there's no way he's blot figuring Minato's teleportation. There's nothing saying he won't burn the kunai away with amaterasu.
@big_news: .... you do realize he has zero speed feats, right? It's literally just teleportation. Teleportation that requires setup. As in he needs to throw his kunai or place markers before he does anything. Bee and Ay have both reacted to his teleportation. Given that Itachi's whole MO is discovering the weaknesses in techniques and finding ways to defeat them, do you really think that Itachi can't figure out what those weird-looking kunai covered in markings are all about? You also realize he has zero SM feats, right? The only thing he's used is kcm, and considering Itachi could keep up with kcm Naruto who was faster than Ay who reacted to Minato's teleportation, it's safe to assume that he could reasonably react to Minato. And since both of them are edo, Itachi can spam susanoo, amaterasu, and tsukiyami as much as he wants. The biggest issue here is how they can seal each other; it's unlikely that Itachi can tag minato with totsuka without first disabling him sonehow, and I doubt Minato can just seal susanoo.
@big_news: it's literally a reaction feat, not a speed feat. Like, he's not outrunning the 3rd and 4th raikage. Without setting up his markings, he can't go anywhere. I really don't understand how you can't see the difference. Teleportation =/= superspeed.
Minato don't see how itachi can even touch him his normal speed and he has bijuu mode to increase that. He may not be able to hold sage mode long but he has that too plus space time and sealing tech.
Bijuu bomb is the only reason, I will give it to the Minato, otherwise its Itachi. Coz I don't think Yata mirror can block BB, if it can then its still Itachi. Reason being Kyuubi is not edo, it will run out of chakra eventually while Itachi won't. By the end of the fight entire battle field will be covered in amaterasu.
@big_news: ignoring that all of those scans have shunshin and hiraishin in there, you seem to have a huge misunderstanding about how hiraishin works. So long as there are markers, (his special kunai, and any marks he places on people or objects) he doesn't need to use any signs or seals to activate it. Meaning his REACTION times are incredible, not his actual SPEED. The databook states that he uses shunshin in conjunction with hiraishin, which matches what we see. He can only teleport right on top of his markers, which means he uses shunshin to close the distance. Shunshin isn't much use for long distances, and pretty much moves you in a straight line, which means it'll be against a guy that perceives events in slow motion on top of precog. Considering that Ay very nearly was able to tag Minato before he could activate a technique that only requires a thought, and Bee was able to REACT to instant transmission, it's not a stretch to say that the guy who:
@maiamaku: I'm in mobile so wouldn't be able to pull up scan but iirc when the hokage were reanimated didn't Minato out speed the other 4 to the battlefield and tobirama commented that his speed is admirable
He's capable of keeping pace with KCM Naruto which should be enough to react to Minato. He can intercept Minato's shurikens with his own, rendering FTG inefective. Tsukuyomi and Sussano are better haxes.
@hypershaw: honestly there are easily so many scenarios where either wins, but Minato's gig is fast taking down, he use ridiculously fast attacks to take down enemies, such that even obito who reacted to the raikage, couldn't react Minato. But that isn't happening here, because Minato cannnot seal anywhere as fast as itachi other than reaper death seal which cannot be used since he is already dead.
@the_wspanialy: I'm pretty sure Minato's kunai handling is incredibly fast too and I personally thinks that Minato's kunai handling is on par with Itachi (despite having the sharingan as the advantage) I mean like people doesn't dubbed him as the "Fastest Shinobi Ever Lived" for nothing.
@streak619: well yea I agree that Itachi has the better sealing techniques compared to Minato but is Itachi fast enough to seal Minato, I meant y'all know how fast he is (even if tbh I don't see Minato avoiding tsukuyomi but I'm aware he knows about Itachi so most likely he'll enter kcm right away)
@maiamaku: the fact that Naruto is holding back against Itachi since he knows that Itachi is under-controlled so his actually no where near his full speed which he used when he out-speed the Raikage. So basically there are no valid proof that Itachi could match "real" Naruto's kcm speed.
At that point in the show, Naruto is still afraid, or at least wary of, Itachi and Nagato's power. It also doesn't make sense as to why he would hold back against an immortal, regenerating being that can't feel pain. I'll freely admit that he wasn't going all out, but to me there's a difference
I know people will argue that Itachi has far more jutsus and his intelligent, and he had beaten stronger shinobi, blah blah blah. But remember, Minato is no ordinary shinobi. He is a league of his own. He mastered space time jutsu, and he thinks as fast as he moves.
All right, my friend and I are in a sort of debate right now. Who would win in a fight? Itachi before he died (or whenever he was at his strongest) or Super Buu after he absorbs Gohan? I don't wanna hear about any other times in the series or any other Buu transformations, just strictly how I mentioned Itachi and Buu. She says Itachi and I say Buu. I'll tally the votes at the end of the month, and any comments about this topic being stupid will be completely ignored. Honest opinions, and I want to see how well this goes. I know I probably sound like a Terms and Conditions sorta thing, but that's just how it is. Proceed.
Unless Itachi has a jutsu that can eradicate every single cell of buu with nothing left, Buu. Also take into account that Buu can move faster than light (Raditz could move at light speed) and Itachi can't, so Buu could end it in less than a second, or just absorb him or whatever he wants really.
well if itachi could get him in his tsukoyomi or whatever his eye jutsus are maybe he might have a chance but as as stated above he would still have to obliterate every cell buu has and as for buus speed i agree he is fast but he is also cocky so he might just take it not knowing of itachis sharingan76.175.227.147 01:48, March 20, 2012 (UTC)krillin478
I will use facts and only facts to prevent bias. Cell's Kamehameha was strong enough to blow up an entire galaxy. Gohan just barely killed him with an extremely powerfull Kamehameha as a Super Saiyan 2. Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 was around Fat Buu's Power Level. Buuhan was much stronger than that. Goku ever so lightly tapped the punching machine before the world tornament in base form, and that set records. A light tap from Buuhan would most likely crack a bone. I realize Buuhan may toy, but he chased after Goku and Vegeta and countered every attack just "toying" with them. Super Buu Gohan Absorbed, even if he toyed with Itachi, would kill him in a matter of seconds possibly even by accident.
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