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From: Karen Wong <kare.bea...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: Word limits
To: Kyla Brophy <kylab...@gmail.com>


Mmmm...I really want to...except I know for sure that I am over the word limit right now =S

I added in the part about using the numbers entering the city, but I kept the population ratio because to me, that makes more sense. I added in the new sources in red down at the bottom of the page. but I'll send it now so everyone can have a look.


On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Kyla Brophy <kylab...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Karen,
That makes sense, thanks :)
I don't think we were planning on paying on the streets, just online (with a paypal account or something) or at customer service desks in grocery stores.  When people pay, their license plate numbers will be entered in a system that records how much money they have paid (for example, they could put $300 on their plate and not worry about the fee for a while until it runs out).  In this case, could we eliminate the billing machines?  I'm not sure if the registration system would cost very much as they wouldn't be "registering" just paying money into an account that is associated with their license plate...like putting money on a Starbucks card. 
Perhaps to ensure that our project is really clear for the people marking it, you could add a few notes under some of the categories, for example: team of workers: bus drivers, license scanners... (I just made those jobs up).  I think we should be a bit more explicit about what each category includes, and how you came up with the cost (what your estimates are based on, other than London's numbers).
I know this is a lot of work for one person.  I'm still working on cutting out about 300 words and changing the stuff about the major traffic routes, otherwise I'd offer to help.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Kyla


On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Karen Wong <kare.bea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mmmm...license plate registration...I added that in because i am not sure if we are able to work with the existing methods, since I don't know if we're working as a government organization, or if we are separate. If we aren't, I don't know if that's an infringement of privacy, and last day someone suggested that we implement a new system. And yes, the billing machines are for prepaying at grocery stores, on the streets (like in London) etc.

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Kyla Brophy <kylab...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a good idea to me.
I'm a bit unclear about some of the components of the budget.  For example, what is the money for the license plate registration paying for?  Could we use the existing license registration system (the one that registers all vehicles on the road)?  Also, what are the billing machines?  Does this refer to the system of registering your vehicle online or at a grocery store?  Wouldn't that be relatively inexpensive?
Thanks for the clarification, Karen!
You did a great job on the budget, I'm really impressed by how thorough you were.


On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Karen Wong <kare.bea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys,

Flora suggested that we calculate our budget based on number of vehicles, rather than population. Is everyone okay with changing the budget to that ratio instead?


On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Jovi Wong <i.dar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, probably the end of the project description =)

Great work!

Jovi

On 04/03/2008, Kyla Brophy <kylab...@gmail.com> wrote:
That's a good idea.  What section do you think that should be added into?  Project description?


On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Jovi Wong <i.dar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, that makes sense. Perhaps we can also include something in the end of our long term goals spiel about how we can perhaps more effectively direct downtown traffic via one-way routes or something? That way we won't have everyone trying to get downtown and out of downtown along the same routes. Could also cut our camera installation down - that is, we'd end up focusing our cameras on fewer roads.


Jovi

On 04/03/2008, Kyla Brophy <kylab...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I looked at a map of Vancouver more carefully, and if we only place cameras on the five major bridges, we will only be charging people from the North Shore and Kitsilano.  No one from Langley, Maple Ride, etc. will be charged.
At first I thought of adding the Portman Bridge, but this is only one route from the east, and will cause congestion on all the streets that travel to downtown.
In other words, we need to place cameras on all the streets entering downtown Vancouver, otherwise only a portion of the population will be taxed.  This means more cameras and more advertising. 
If we leave it the way it is, there is a huge flaw in our proposal.  I am happy to change key phrases to include "all traffic routes" vs "bridges".  The budget will need to be altered to account for the increase in cameras.  Is everyone ok with this change?
Let me know what you think,
Kyla


On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Jovi Wong <i.dar...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we should estimate fines but also establish a grace period of maybe two-three weeks for people to adjust. So maybe no fines for the first three weeks and then we'll get it set up. We could say that we can estimate the number of fines from people who don't pre-pay during the grace period? Although the fines would probably go down with time...


Jovi

On 04/03/2008, Kyla Brophy <kylab...@gmail.com> wrote:
You only pay the fee entering the city, ie. not on the downtown side of the bridge in order to leave, so the fee is only paid once per day.
I agree that substantial fines would change the makeup of the profit.  Should we estimate a number of fines, or just state that we are underestimating the profit by not including fines?


On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Jovi Wong <i.dar...@gmail.com> wrote:
One more thing - do we need to figure out the difference in costs between pre-payment and fines? If the fines are substantial, then it might change the make-up of the profit. I was thinking something more like $3 per crossing during peak hours - $5 comes down to $10/day if you work full time plus gas plus parking, etc. Could pre-payment be $3, and fines be $5, maybe?

Great work everyone!
Jovi


On 04/03/2008, Kyla Brophy <kylab...@gmail.com> wrote:
Shouldn't we compare the number of commuters into Vancouver with the number of commuters into London?  What if 25% of Vancouver's population commutes into the downtown core everyday, while 75% of London's population commutes into the downtown core? 
I agree that population is important to consider, and that Karen's write-up illustrates that point really well, but maybe we should look at the number of commuters who will actually be paying the fee (when calculating numbers)?


On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Alia Dharamsi <alia.d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hola Amigos,
 
I think we should say that we'll start with 5$ immediately each way and move up to 10$ after 6 months so people get used to it.

Also, I think the best way of rationalizing our budget would be by population because that helps us correlate with London. What we have is good because it shows that we thought about our populations. I think at this point it's really good and well thought out.

Alia Dharamsi
 
 When we smile we share a piece of our hearts, and a little love goes a long way





Hi everyone,
We haven't calculated how much the toll is or how much the fine should be.
I'm also a bit worried that the budget is based on population of the city and not the number of vehicles commuting each day.
Ideas...?
Thanks,
Kyla

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Flora Pagan <flora...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I emailed Dr. Sens about the word limit, and he said that he wanted it to be as close to the requirement as possible, as the purpose of the project was to be able to develop skills for summarizing. Tonight I think Kyla is going to try her best to cut it all down and get the summary done, so hopefully it will be closer to the word limit than it was before.

He also said specifically that the word limit was to be around 200-250 words for the part about target audiences (Chris' part), so Chris, I am wondering specifically if you want to cut yours down yourself, of if you are okay with Kyla cutting it down, as it is currently around 380 words.

Email us back as soon as possible so we can figure out how to cut it down,
Thanks,
Flora



Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:19:46 -0800
From: i.dar...@gmail.com
To: alia.d...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: read this email first about pbl 5, ignore my first email
CC: chris....@hotmail.com; flora...@hotmail.com; krista...@gmail.com; kylab...@gmail.com; kare.bea...@gmail.com; e....@hotmail.com

 
Hey everyone,

I haven't gotten a chance to read the whole thing and edit, but I will do so and send a revised version out by tonight.

Just letting everyone know!

Jovi

On 04/03/2008, Alia Dharamsi <alia.d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok so i finished my complete edit but google wont let me upload files...so i'll just email it out
 
here is the COMPLETE edit that i have done WITH changes. this includes the previous changes made to works cited (as well as some new changes) and the introduction. Pretty much just ignore my last email.
 
i am also adding a 2nd document "alia's changes to pbl" rationalizing these changes... in case you want to undo some.
 
 
hopefully i'll be able to successfully add this to the google groups, thanks for your patience team!
 
 
:) As said before, it looks great!

Alia Dharamsi
 
 When we smile we share a piece of our hearts, and a little love goes a long way



From: chris....@hotmail.com
To: flora...@hotmail.com; krista...@gmail.com; kylab...@gmail.com
CC: i.dar...@gmail.com; alia.d...@hotmail.com; kare.bea...@gmail.com; e....@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: PBL 5A 2nd Edit
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:06:09 -0800

Hey guys,
 
I've got the second edit complete and it will be sent with this message, as well as being available on our google group.  I've made a few changes to most sections and have revamped a few paragraphs make the project sound more cohesive. I think that it has turned out very well and that I deserve a pat on the back; if you disagree please feel free to adjust your sections as necessary or send me hate mail etc.
 
Looking forward to the last edits,
 
See you all later,
 
Chris
 
"PS I added a tentative title page with our names "alphabetically" and a missing citation from one of the sections (see Air Pollution. Alpha Online. 27 February 2008.)  in the Works Cited section and cut out all extraneous the notes pertaining to it; just so you know" -ENJOY



From: flora...@hotmail.com
To: krista...@gmail.com; kylab...@gmail.com
CC: i.dar...@gmail.com; alia.d...@hotmail.com; kare.bea...@gmail.com; chris....@hotmail.com; e....@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: PBL 5A
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:17:55 -0700

Hey guys,

everyone's parts are really well done, thanks for doing such a great job and for doing them on time! I'm really stoked that we're in such good shape and it's only Sunday. If you want to get a chance to read over Chris' part, it's posted online on the google group. 

Let's keep on talking over email so that we have a good idea of how everyone feels about what we've got so far and of what everyone wants the final version to look like.

Thanks,
Flora
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:51:25 -0800
From: krista...@gmail.com
To: kylab...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: PBL 5A
CC: i.dar...@gmail.com; alia.d...@hotmail.com; kare.bea...@gmail.com; chris....@hotmail.com; e....@hotmail.com; flora...@hotmail.com

That sounds about right Kyla. I did do some stuff with the Bibliography, but really i think it just needs to be looked over by someone who is used to/likes MLA. 

I think we could still cut some stuff, but it's not the end of the world if we don't. Word limits are typically approximations, so I think we're close enough of all of them.
Krista

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Kyla Brophy <kylab...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I can do the final citations if you leave some sort of reference in brackets where the citation should go (author name, or URL, or title, or something - I can make it 'official' during the final edit).
This looks great, thanks Krista!
We are waiting for Chris' part and the final edit?
Talk soon,
Kyla


On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Krista Isberg <krista...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys,
Here's the first edit. I made a few changes, mostly to readability, and a couple of grammar things...Kyla there's a note for you to put in a citation at one spot (but I presume you'll do that when you get the final edited version.) Chris I didn't have your part, so I just left the '2) Question...' where yours should be. There's also some 'works cited' stuff which needs to be added to the bibliography, which I didn't tackle because I hate MLA, and I wasn't totally sure what was going on there, so I left that for the people who know what they want to do with their works cited.

See you all in a few! 
Krista



On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Jovi Wong <i.dar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey everyone,

Sorry for the really long wait! I had a huge family issue to deal with today, so I couldn't get around to this until just now. It's about 100 words over the limit, so I think we can definitely cut bits out. I did include quite a bit of detail as to what each requirement does particularly, but if we want to broaden it a bit, that's just fine. Also, I'm afraid it's not extremely specific because there just isn't enough space to explain everything to such detail. :(

Enjoy the rest of your weekends!

Jovi


On 01/03/2008, Alia Dharamsi <alia.d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Seems reasonable to me. Our rationale is sound too, good job Karen!


Alia Dharamsi
 
 When we smile we share a piece of our hearts, and a little love goes a long way
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:03:12 -0800
From: kare.bea...@gmail.com
To: kylab...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: PBL 5A
CC: alia.d...@hotmail.com; chris....@hotmail.com; e....@hotmail.com; flora...@hotmail.com; krista...@gmail.com; i.dar...@gmail.com


hey guys, this is the budget. if there's anything weird, please email me and tell mee!!

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Kyla Brophy <kylab...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
A quick recap of our meeting in class:

1) All individual parts must be e-mailed to the entire group by Saturday night
            - Kyla and Flora, Krista, Alia, and Elizabeth have already submitted their parts
            - The document with the Project Description that Flora and Kyla wrote has notes that summarize the group discussion of each individual section

2) Krista is compiling them and will e-mail them to Chris by Sunday night

3) Chris is editing and e-mailing to the entire group by Monday night

4) All comments/suggested edits should be posted on the Google group

5) Kyla will make the changes suggested in the Google group thread, write the 200 word summary, e-mail for final approval from everyone

6) Kyla will print a hard copy and e-mail an electronic version to Allen and Dave

Congratulations to everyone for finishing the Problem Investigation in class!  This project looks great!

Have a good weekend,
Kyla


On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Alia Dharamsi <alia.d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi all
here is the introduction, with an addition for the works cited for a new resource i used
 
:)

Alia Dharamsi
 
 When we smile we share a piece of our hearts, and a little love goes a long way





Hi everyone,
There's a thread started in the gmail group ('trafficisbad') regarding meeting times and deadlines.  If you're not getting e-mail updates, it would be great if you could go to the group before class on Thursday so that we're all on the same page.
Good luck with midterms/papers, etc!
Kyla






























Budget for the Implementation of Congestion Fees.doc

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However! I did include the sources to where I got some of my numbers from ^_^ I think it should be okay...if anyone wants to add or take away something...feel free to give your input for editing.
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