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Eternal youth is the concept of human physical immortality free of ageing. The youth referred to is usually meant to be in contrast to the depredations of aging, rather than a specific age of the human lifespan. Eternal youth is common in mythology, and is a popular theme in fiction.
The Hindus believe that the Vedic and the post-Vedic rishis have attained immortality, which implies the ability to change one's body's age or even shape at will. These are some of the siddhas in Yoga. Markandeya is said to always stay at the age of 16.
The difference between eternal life and the more specific eternal youth is a recurrent theme in Greek and Roman mythology. The mytheme of requesting the boon of immortality from a god, but forgetting to ask for eternal youth appears in the story of Tithonus. A similar theme is found in Ovid regarding the Cumaean Sibyl.
An individual's DNA plays a role in the aging process. Aging begins even before birth, as soon as cells start to die and need to be replaced. On the ends of each chromosome are repetitive sequences of DNA, telomeres, that protect the chromosome from joining with other chromosomes, and have several key roles. One of these roles is to regulate cell division by allowing each cell division to remove a small amount of genetic code. The amount removed varies by the cell type being replicated. The gradual degradation of the telomeres restricts cell division to 40-60 times, also known as the Hayflick limit. Once this limit has been reached, more cells die than can be replaced in the same time span. Thus, soon after this limit is reached the organism dies. The importance of telomeres is now clearly evident: lengthen the telomeres, lengthen the life.[1]
Studies have shown that 90 percent of cancer cells contain large amounts of an enzyme called telomerase.[6] Telomerase is an enzyme that replenishes the worn away telomeres by adding bases to the ends and thus renewing the telomere. A cancer cell has in essence turned on the telomerase gene, and this allows them to have an unlimited amount of divisions without the telomeres wearing away. Other kinds of cells that can surpass the Hayflick limit are stem cells, hair follicles, and germ cells.[7] This is because they contain raised amounts of telomerase.
The idea that the human body can be repaired in old age to a more youthful state has gathered significant commercial interest over the past few years, including by companies such as Human Longevity Inc, Google Calico, and Elysium Health.[8][9][10] In addition to these larger companies, many startups are currently developing therapeutics to tackle the 'ageing problem' using therapy.[11][12] In 2015 a new class of drugs senolytics was announced (currently in pre-clinical development) designed specifically to combat the underlying biological causes of frailty.[13]
The "loss of youth" or ageing process is responsible for increasing the risk of individuals to many diseases including cancer, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and others. As a result, in recent years, many high net worth individuals have donated large amounts of their money towards initiatives towards scientific research into the ageing process itself or therapies to slow or reverse the ageing process.[14] These people include Jeff Bezos, Ray Kurzweil, Peter Thiel,[15] Aubrey de Grey, Larry Ellison, Sergey Brin, Dmitry Itskov, Paul Gallen,[16] and Mark Zuckerberg.[17]
In what may be the ultimate irony, it now seems as though the very quality of being a novice, of being not-yet-good at things, that makes it so uncomfortable to be young is the thing that can keep us youthful as we age.
eternal youth means forever young right? if that's the case then why is it that my DM and fellow players tell me adamantly that even with with this discovery the pc will die of old age when they reach that amount of years. my argument is that with this discovery you will not age at all thus never gain the negatives from gaining that amount of years.
While this is somewhat vague, I believe this part of the discovery points to the intent. He hasn't discovered a cure for the effects of aging, he has discovered a cure for aging. He no longer ages, which means that he is truly immortal.
The Wizard Arcane Discovery, like the Alchemist one, has no text saying that you die when your time is up (unlike the Druid and Monk near-equivalents), so it also gives you immunity to death by old age, much to the relief of the Runelords.
While this is somewhat vague, I believe this part of the discovery points to the intent. He hasn't discovered a cure for the effects of aging, he has discovered a cure for aging. He no longer ages, which means that he is truly immortal. No no, not immortal. He can still die, just not from aging.
ImmortalitySean K Reynolds wrote: Artanthos wrote:
Notice any difference in the wording?
A wizard's immortality is just that. The chance to live forever. With appropriate secondary precautions, a wizard becomes effectively unkillable. Correct.Saethori wrote: Unless, you know, time itself, or at least its caretakers, put a sword through the alchemist's heart.
Immortality does a funny thing to attract extraplanar forces. Most of which have a similar type of immortality. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Claxon Sep 12, 2016, 12:01 pm Yeah, it's interesting. Making yourself immortal really upsets Pharasma and Inevitables. It's also like outsiders don't want you stealing their shtick.
While monk and druid get Timeless Body late (level 17 respective 15), wizard and alchemist get their version even later (level 20). This alone is a strong pointer to a higher power level - capstones are supposed to be significantly more powerful than high level abilities.
Further, if they would simply get Timeless Body minus previous penalties, Paizo likely would have called it that way... Oracle of Time capstone explicitly states they cannot die of old age. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Tiny Coffee Golem Sep 12, 2016, 12:06 pm UnArcaneElection wrote: The Wizard Arcane Discovery, like the Alchemist one, has no text saying that you die when your time is up (unlike the Druid and Monk near-equivalents), so it also gives you immunity to death by old age, much to the relief of the Runelords.
The wizard one specifically is called "Immortality" not "Eternal Youth." meaning you don't die of natural causes. ever. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Melkiador Sep 12, 2016, 12:31 pm I'm curious how often this actually comes up anyway. Do a lot of people play generational campaigns? When you hit 20, your career/campaign is pretty much over, so who cares if your character gets to live forever ever after when it's done.
Yea. I've only ever used immortality in a high level game for story purposes. or for things like timeless demiplanes. Wouldn't want to die of old age after leaving it for the first time in a millennia. Edit: seems to be one of those things that you could allow earlier in the game and it would have absolutely no impact. Of course if every NPC and their mother had access to immortality I can see how that would break a game world.
Ohhh. Game idea. Immortality somehow became cheap and easy. However, immortals are by their nature sterile. The humanoid races start to become rarer and rarer till eventually there are only a few survivors.
The argument here is that the Eternal Youth grand discovery (and the Immortality wizard discovery) only mention removing penalties to ability scores and do not mention removing your maximum age or stopping your aging in their benefit text.
Well if you take a feat called immortality you're kind of by definition not a mortal anymore. Seems fine. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Snowlilly Sep 12, 2016, 01:06 pm Melkiador wrote: I'm curious how often this actually comes up anyway. Do a lot of people play generational campaigns? When you hit 20, your career/campaign is pretty much over, so who cares if your character gets to live forever ever after when it's done. I've always viewed it as flavor.In Feng Shui, immortality was a minor fluff item that was tacked onto my Magic Cop when he picked up healing magics. In other systems I've played, it was a low point-cost ability available at character creation.
But they aren't immune to death. Just getting old and dieing that way. Something would eventually kill them. Why would anyone enforce getting old? AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Snowlilly Sep 12, 2016, 01:15 pm Squiggit wrote: As Snowlilly mentioned, contrast with the Time Oracle final revelation which says you can't die of old age or the Living Monolith's Ageless Stone which says you cease aging.
So by a strict reading, one can argue that the former two don't give you the abilities the latter two do. It's probably not intended, but it's also something they've never bothered to fix either. There are three different ways age related abilities are worded:
- Monks and Druids explicitly state the character still dies at his appointed time.
- Time Oracles and Monoliths explicitly state the character does not die as result of age.
- Alchemists and Wizards are stated to cease aging with no explicit statement in either direction.
You, in particular, aren't a mortal anymore. But you are still supposed to be. That's what bothers them.You are attempting to cheat the death that comes naturally to members of your species, and they hate that. It doesn't care whether you are gaining it through cures for aging, or through your oracle mystery, or by becoming some sort of sentient undead.
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