[James Thompson]

Aristot...@googlegroups.com

 

"This gets metaphysical really fast, and most philosophers nowadays do not accept that there are "propositions" apart from the utterances." 

 

Most philosophers now-a-days don't amount to much, internationally.  Only Charles Sanders Pierce attracts any favorable interest abroad.   As Pierce himself said, others had plagiarized the name, Pragmatism, he had given his philosophy, and Pierce mused "perhaps, I will call my philosophy Pragmaticism; that should be so ugly enough name that perhaps no one will steal it." 

 

Pierce stated that "my Philosophy is that of Aristotle plus Science."  For that, Charles Sanders Pierce was black listed by Harvard, Yale, and Johns Hopkins Universities. 

 

William James acted as Pierce's friend, and in Pierce's decrepit old age, assisted pierce financially.  Thus, Pierce could not object when two men who were Kantists, use the name of Pierces own respectable philosophy for their own UN-respectable Emmanuel Kant derived philosophies.  

 

 Ever major wartime opponent of the United States, since 1860, had its ruling class motivated by the philosophy of Emmanuel Kant.  Prior to 1800, the most powerful and profitable industry in the United States was the Slavery Industry, which encompassed not only the Southern Agricultural Slave Plantations, but the New England Slave Plantation and Slave Trade financing Industry.  The Founding Fathers were educated in Oxford Scholasticism, described as a secularized derivative of Thomas Aquinas and Aristotle's philosophy, but was more Aristotelian than that.  Thomas Jefferson stated that his philosophy was that of Aristotle, in two letters of reply to questioners who wondered if his philosophy was that of John Locke, or Thomas Aquinas.  Constitutionally, in only one letter, Thomas Jefferson states the USA's famous constitutional doctrine of "A Wall of Separation between Church and State."  There are two letters, Twice as much support by Jefferson for the Philosophy of Aristotle, as in a single letter for "A Wall of Separation between Church and State."  In the Index to the collected papers of Thomas Jefferson, under the heading Aristotle, are the Listing for the two letters, in each of which, Thomas Jefferson states that his philosophy is that of Aristotle.  So, Constitutionally, The Official Philosophy of The United States is that of Aristotle.  If any universities employ any persons to teach philosophy, not trained in the Philosophy of Aristotle, they are violating the USA's Constitution of 1792, and may be liable to repay all federal monies recieved, and henceforth, unless they agree to cease and desist, recieve no more federal funds.  

 

 

The US money men of the era, wanted to restart Harvard and Yale, and to obtain philosopher professors who would not challenge slavery, as the founding fathers did in the two most important US Documents, Jefferson's original draft of The Declaration of Independence and John Jays original draft of the Treaty of Independence of 1783, also known as the Treaty of Paris of 1783. They decided that professors from the protestant German speaking states, espousing the Official Philosophy of the Prussian Military Dictatorship, even then bent of World Conquest, that of Emmanuel Kant, would be perfect for their purposes, preserving the Slavery Industry. 

 

 

Today's philosophers are these folk's spiritual and intellectual descendants.   Of the Reliable Slavery Industry Preservers.     

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[James Thompson]

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Hi James:

Thank you very much for your stimulating comments!

James Thompson wrote:
> Aristot...@googlegroups.com
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> "This gets metaphysical really fast, and most philosophers nowadays do not accept that there are "propositions" apart from the utterances."

[I said this in response to one of the basic questions on Aristotle's
"Categories", to wit, whether there were was such a thing as a
"proposition" that somehow stands above the concrete assertion.]

http://groups.google.com/group/aristotle-logic/browse_frm/thread/bf7718ff926f7b12?tvc=1&hl=en

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> Most philosophers now-a-days don't amount to much, internationally. Only Charles Sanders Pierce attracts any favorable interest abroad. As Pierce himself said, others had plagiarized the name, Pragmatism, he had given his philosophy, and Pierce mused "perhaps, I will call my philosophy Pragmaticism; that should be so ugly enough name that perhaps no one will steal it."

Well, there have been some very well-known American philosophers, such
as W.V. Quine, Stanely Cavell, Noam Chomsky, and Donald Davidson.
Others may not have been born in the US, but did their significant work
here. Alfred Tarski and Hilary Putnam come to mind. Internationally,
there have been Gadamer, Habermas, and, well, Derrida--although the
last guy is decidedly not my favorite. I'm not sure who is the
"ranking" philosopher in the world today.

Peirce was the founder of American pragmatism,

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/peirce/

and he's famous among philosophers, even though popularizers such as
James and perhaps Dewey are better known.

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> Pierce stated that "my Philosophy is that of Aristotle plus Science." For that, Charles Sanders Pierce was black listed by Harvard, Yale, and Johns Hopkins Universities.
>
> William James acted as Pierce's friend, and in Pierce's decrepit old age, assisted pierce financially. Thus, Pierce could not object when two men who were Kantists, use the name of Pierces own respectable philosophy for their own UN-respectable Emmanuel Kant derived philosophies.

I'm not sure what episode in Peirce's life you're referring to
here...could you elaborate or throw out a reference? Thanks!

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> Ever major wartime opponent of the United States, since 1860, had its ruling class motivated by the philosophy of Emmanuel Kant. Prior to 1800, the most powerful and profitable industry in the United States was the Slavery Industry, which encompassed not only the Southern Agricultural Slave Plantations, but the New England Slave Plantation and Slave Trade financing Industry.

But wasn't the economy in north primarily manufacturing and small-scale
farming, not large-scale plantation agriculture, like in the south? The
south sold its cotton to Old England, mainly, not to New England.

>The Founding Fathers were educated in Oxford Scholasticism, described as a secularized derivative of Thomas Aquinas and Aristotle's philosophy, but was more Aristotelian than that. Thomas Jefferson stated that his philosophy was that of Aristotle, in two letters of reply to questioners who wondered if his philosophy was that of John Locke, or Thomas Aquinas. Constitutionally, in only one letter, Thomas Jefferson states the USA's famous constitutional doctrine of "A Wall of Separation between Church and State."

Maybe you've got a point here, but weren't the US Founding Fathers more
decisively influenced by the French and English Enlightenment
philosophers such as Locke, especially, Voltaire, and Montaigne?

>There are two letters, Twice as much support by Jefferson for the Philosophy of
> Aristotle, as in a single letter for "A Wall of Separation between Church and State." In the Index to the collected papers of Thomas Jefferson, under the heading Aristotle, are the Listing for the two letters, in each of which, Thomas Jefferson states that his philosophy is that of Aristotle. So, Constitutionally, The Official Philosophy of The United States is that of Aristotle. If any universities employ any persons to teach philosophy, not trained in the Philosophy of Aristotle, they are violating the USA's Constitution of 1792, and may be liable to repay all federal monies recieved, and henceforth, unless they agree to cease and desist, recieve no more federal funds.
>

Interesting. Is this your interpretation of the import of Jefferson's
letters, or is there some document that, as it were, officially
pronounces the US to be an Aristotelian society?

I would agree, in broad terms, that the US is founded on Aristotelian
ideals--through the European Englightenment, of course--but remember
that Aristotle himself said that slavery was a natural institution:

("Politics," Book 1, Chapters 4-8); also,

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-politics/

And Aristotle's remarks on women and the family are not the most kind
to our modern ears. Plato's thoughts in this regard were very eccentric
for his time, but as one who advocated a higher, even a ranking, status
in society for women, Plato stands out above Aristotle on this issue.
Just trying to raise some other aspects....

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> The US money men of the era, wanted to restart Harvard and Yale, and to obtain philosopher professors who would not challenge slavery, as the founding fathers did in the two most important US Documents, Jefferson's original draft of The Declaration of Independence and John Jays original draft of the Treaty of Independence of 1783, also known as the Treaty of Paris of 1783. They decided that professors from the protestant German speaking states, espousing the Official Philosophy of the Prussian Military Dictatorship, even then bent of World Conquest, that of Emmanuel Kant, would be perfect for their purposes, preserving the Slavery Industry.

I wasn't aware of this. Intriguing. Do you have a reference?

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>
> Today's philosophers are these folk's spiritual and intellectual descendants. Of the Reliable Slavery Industry Preservers.
>

Even a left-leaning philosopher-scientist like Noam Chomsky?

Seems like you're lumping far too many progressive intellectuals into
the Kantian-slavery-advocacy bag here. If I remember aright, even a lot
of the philosophers and politicians of the Enlightenment such as our
Jefferson and Germany's Kant and Scotland's Hume had not-so-pleasant
attitudes toward non-European peoples. And unlike Kant and Hume,
Jefferson _owned_ people. One philosopher that took exception to and
argued against slavery was the Scot, Beattie; he was an exception:

http://www.brycchancarey.com/abolition/beattie.htm

Thanks again for your comments, James. These are very interesting
questions, worth pursuing in my opinion, even on a list originally
devoted to Aristotle's logical works.

--Ron

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