la posta sobre traer dulce de leche y alfajores

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JP

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Dec 6, 2009, 6:10:14 PM12/6/09
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Abajo está la respuesta completa a la pregunta del tema dulce de leche - Argentina/Uruguay.

La clave está en la lista de países libres de aftosa que da la OIE. Uruguay es libre de aftosa (con vacunación) y por lo que dice el texto eso lo pone dentro de la lista de países aprobados para traer productos lácteos. 

Los países que tienen solo zonas libres de aftosa no están aprobados, y allí está Argentina. 
  
Ahora yo me pregunto, y quizás Matías sepa la respuesta (?): 
1- Argentina tiene zonas libre de aftosa sin vacunación (por lo que encontré por ahí es al sur del paralelo 42 (T. del Fuego, Santa Cruz y Chubut) y zonas libres de aftosa con vacunación. Las zonas libres de aftosa CON vacunación, son todo el resto del país? O quedan zonas con aftosa?  Porque si todo el país es libre de aftosa (una parte sin y otra parte con vacunación) entonces no es diferente a lo que pasa en Uruguay. 

2- Una excepción a las reglas de quarantine es Sudáfrica, porque tiene sólo zonas sin aftosa pero quarantine "sabe" que la industria lechera está en esas zonas (y por lo tanto no hay leche contaminada que se use en la industria láctea).  No se puede argumentar lo mismo sobre Argentina? 
 
3- última pregunta: el punto h dice que se puede traer de cualquier país "Biscuits, bread and cooked cakes (excluding cheese cakes, and cakes containing dairy fillings or toppings that have not been cooked with the cake)". Cómo se fabrican los alfajores? Después de ponerles el dulce de leche y la cobertura, se vuelven a hornear?  Porque si es así entrarían en esa categoría. 

Si alguien me da una mano con las preguntas de arriba, intento hacer una gestión en Biosecurity, las oficinas están acá nomás en el centro...  Si consigo hacer que permitan el dulce de leche y/o los alfajores me traen una caja de havana cada uno de los de foro que viaje a Argentina :)

JP




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From: Airports <Airp...@aqis.gov.au>
Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: Bringing dairy products from Argentina or Uruguay [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



Thank you for your enquiry regarding bringing dulce de leche into Australia as part of your personal luggage. The requirements for importing dairy products into Australia are provided below.

Dairy products and cheeses are permitted entry to Australia, if the item fits one of the descriptions below:

Personal consignments brought to Australia from any country: 

a)       Commercially prepared and packaged dairy products, provided that they are manufactured in one of the countries listed by the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) (http://www.oie.int/eng/Status/FMD/en_fmd_free.htm) as free from foot and mouth disease (FMD); OR

b)       Cheesecakes and cooked cakes containing dairy fillings or toppings, provided that the item is manufactured in one of the countries listed by the World Organisation for Animal Health as free from foot and mouth disease; OR

c)       Commercially prepared milk based infant foods (e.g. infant formula, toddler formula or baby food), provided that the products are for the consumption of the accompanying child.  (Note: Bottles of pre-prepared infant formula accompanying an infant are also permitted. A single opened can/tin of milk-based foods for infants is also permitted when accompanying an infant, however all other cans/tins must be unopened); OR

d)       Products containing less than 10% dairy ingredients in the total mass of each individually packaged product, other than added water, from any country of origin. (Calculation: Ignore the added water and consider the dairy ingredient as a percentage of the other ingredients); OR

e)       Commercially prepared and packaged chocolate; OR

f)         Lactose and its derivatives; OR

g)       Commercially prepared and packaged clarified butter oil (ghee); OR

h)       Biscuits, bread and cooked cakes (excluding cheese cakes, and cakes containing dairy fillings or toppings that have not been cooked with the cake); OR

i)         Dairy products from New Zealand, provided that the milk is of New Zealand or Australian origin and is labelled as a product of New Zealand or Australia.

Note: Those countries listed by the World Organisation for Animal Health with only specific zones that are free from foot and mouth disease are not approved for non-commercial consignments of dairy products without an Import Permit. The one exception is South Africa due to the location of the dairy industry and factories within this country.

If the item containing dairy as an ingredient does not fit into one of the above categories, an Import Permit is required.  An Import Permit may be obtained by submitting an application prior to import. AQIS will assess the application and based on that assessment, may grant an Import Permit subject to any conditions deemed necessary for safe importation, use, and disposal of those products. Applications for a permit to import can be found on the AQIS website at www.aqis.gov.au. It should be noted that applying for a permit does not automatically result in a permit being issued.

Items that do not meet the requirements must be re-exported or destroyed.  Re-export must be paid for by the importer.

Once passengers arrive in Australia, they are required to complete an Incoming Passenger Card (IPC).  On the IPC, they must declare all items of food, animal or plant origin as well as any other articles that are covered on the card (e.g. medicines, wooden articles) - these items are only examples illustrating the types of items that must be declared under each category.  All items of food, animal or plant origin must be declared on the IPC for the purpose of inspection by an Australian Quarantine Inspector.

After passengers have collected their luggage, they will be directed to a Quarantine Officer who will inspect any declared items and inspect and/or x-ray any remaining luggage before they depart the international arrivals area.

 

For further information on what goods can or cannot be brought into Australia, you may visit our website at www.affa.gov.au/aqis or our Import Conditions database (ICON) at www.aqis.gov.au/icon.  This database lists the Quarantine conditions under which various commodities may be brought into Australia.  Using the ICON search facility, enter the item into the ‘Commodity’ field, insert the country of manufacture or origin in the ‘From country’ field and leave ‘All End Uses’ in the ‘For end-use’ field.  Then, click "search" and the database will return the results.  If an AQIS Import Permit is required, or if any other specific conditions apply, ICON will specify this.

 

The information available on ICON is the same information that AQIS's clearing officers use when inspecting and clearing goods arriving into the country. I recommend that you refer to this database regularly to keep up to date with any import condition changes by AQIS. 

I hope this is of assistance to you.  If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

 

Regards

 

Anna Vavrina - Kun

Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service

Passenger Program

BSG | Passengers and Mail

Fax: +61 (2) 6272 3468

Email: airp...@aqis.gov.au

Web: www.affa.gov.au/aqis

 

The information here covers AQIS quarantine requirements only and is current on the date of transmission but may change without notice.  Passengers must satisfy quarantine concerns and comply with quarantine import conditions applicable at the time of entry.  The Commonwealth, through AQIS, is not liable for any costs arising from or associated with decisions to bring items to Australia based on conditions detailed above that are not current at time of importation.

 

It is the passenger’s responsibility to be aware of and to ensure compliance with the requirements of all other regulatory and advisory bodies prior to and after bringing items to Australia, for example, the Australian Customs Service, the Department of Environment and Water Resources (eg. CITES restrictions), the Therapeutic Goods Administration, the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority, the Office of the Gene Technology Regulator, or Food Standards Australia New Zealand and State Departments of Agriculture.

 

 


Laura Lo Bianco

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Dec 6, 2009, 8:00:21 PM12/6/09
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Hola JP!
 
Yo estaba al tanto de que Uruguay estaba considerado como un pais libre de aftosa y por eso intente entrar dulce de leche Conaprole. Pero no paso! Deberia haber indagado un poco mas en su momento, pero no lo hice porque nos dejaban ir sin escanear el resto del equipaje y teniamos 3 kilos mas en las otras valijas. Queria rajar lo antes posible de ahi!
 
Lamentablemente, no tengo respuesta para ninguna de tus dudas. Pero si logras hacer que los alfajores y el dulce de leche pasen, conta con mas de una caja de Havana y un par de kilos de DDL a eleccion!
Saludos!
2009/12/7 JP <guers...@gmail.com>

BelleEpoque

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Dec 6, 2009, 8:44:00 PM12/6/09
to Argentinos en Australia & Nueva Zelanda
Laura supuesto que no iva a pasar, solo en un pequeño momento de la
historia de la epoca post Menen se pudo traer Dulce de Leche, creo
sobre el final de su mandato el muy idiota de su gobierno declaro a
Argentina libre de aftosa sin vacunacion y todo el que se embarro las
patas en un campo sabe que era una falasia o mentira imposible de
trasladar en el tiempo y ahi fue que declararon Argentina lIbre de
Aftosa sin vacunacion, y Menen lo hizo se fue del gobierno y le dejo
el paquete a santo varon de de la Rua que no hizo nada y cuando el
brote ya era mas evidente pues trato de tapar el sol con un dedo y
esconderlo bajo la alfombra y la Argentina perdio mercados y
exportaciones de todo tipo asi como la poca credibilidad que ya tiene
nuestro pais a nivel internacional.

Asi que con la vuelta de la aftosa y llegados la nueva info a
Australia pues no paso nada mas a traves de aduana por mas que la
embajada ya a golpeado decenas de puertas en canberra ya que no solo
es el dulce de leche que se perdido gracias a nuestra inoperancia y
corrupcion.

Hace unos años en una sequia muy grande de aqui y al no tener flores
las plantas pues tuvimos una reduccion increible en la produccion de
miel y la empresa Capilano importo miel argentina contaminada
(basicasmente de Entre Rios) y es el dia de hoy que muchos
consumidores todavia boicotiamos a la marca ya que no habia puesto en
la etiqueta que parte de la miel era importada de Argentina que ya se
sabe que no cumple con las leyes y usan drogras prohibidas, pero a los
Argentinos poco les importa lo que comen, lo mismo ocurre en China
donde la miel de ese pais tambien tiene las puertas cerradas en USA
por estos motivos.

y asi hay otras mas que no recuerdo, paso con los ajos, tomates, y ya
ni recuerdo que mas a traves de nuestra historia

En fin en Sydney hay una persona que se importo de Bahia Blanca creo
alla en el 2002/3 la misma maquina que usa Habana para hacer los
alfajores la cosa es el dulce de leche y la masa son parecidos pero no
iguales y los tenes que encontrar a la venta en muchos lados en una
caja amarilla similar a la caja de habana.

La otra es hacer el dulce uno mismo y en Melbourne uno puede comprarlo
echo aqui por una de las panaderias que hacen fatura (Monica's) y me
imajino en Sydney debe ser algo similar


Suerte


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Drug fear prompts call for honey tests
By Denis Gregory
November 17, 2003
The Sun-Herald

Supermarkets could unknowingly be selling honey that contains
potentially harmful antibiotics banned in food.

Overseas testing has found honey from Argentina was contaminated by
nitrofurans - veterinary drugs used to inhibit bacterial growth - but
the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) has not tested
for nitrofurans in large quantities of honey being shipped here.

Inquiries by The Sun-Herald revealed Food Standards Australia New
Zealand, which is responsible for food safety and public risk, asked
the quarantine service last Friday to begin random tests on imported
honey shipments as soon as possible.

There will be no tests on honey already on supermarket shelves, unless
done by state governments.

But the Australian Honey Bee Industry Council, which met last week,
wants to test the shelf honey.

Australian packers have been buying honey from Argentina and China
because of a domestic shortage caused by the drought and bushfires.

Nitrofurans are banned for use in food-producing animals in most
countries - including Australia since 1992 - because of a possible
risk of cancer in people who eat it over long periods. Six weeks ago,
the Argentine Government found batches of contaminated honey and
banned all exports until shipments were tested and permits issued to
declare they were nitrofuran-free.

Chinese honey was banned worldwide in August because of contamination
by chloramphenicol, another antibiotic drug that can lead to a life-
threatening anaemia.

Capilano, the biggest Australian packer, has imported 5000 tonnes of
Argentinian honey this year. The honey is blended with Australian
product and sold locally.

Capilano chief executive Roger Masters said in a statement on
nitrofurans to other honey producers that he wasn't "inclined to
headline an issue like this, which has the capacity to affect the
consumers' perception about honey in general".

He said Capilano had imported honey from Argentina because of a
shortfall that would have led to honey being replaced on supermarket
shelves by jam or other spreads.

"Or perhaps the supermarkets would simply replace it with another lot
of imported honey by an overseas packer. That would be a fine result."

Controls had been implemented in Argentina by Capilano's joint-venture
partner and in Australia over the residue in the Argentine honey, he
said. But nitrofurans had also been identified in Australian honey, he
added.

FSANZ head of food monitoring and evaluation, Steve Crossley, said:
"We believe that the risk to public health and safety is low, but
nevertheless, because nitrofurans are prohibited in food-producing
animals, we have advised AQIS to start testing."

But AQIS spokesman David Finlayson said: "FSANZ is the policy maker
who decides what tests should be done and what shouldn't be done and
we put that into effect. At this stage, we don't test for nitrofurans
in honey.

"Our role is really an operational one at the border," he said.



On Dec 7, 12:00 pm, Laura Lo Bianco <laura.lobia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hola JP!
>
> Yo estaba al tanto de que Uruguay estaba considerado como un pais libre de
> aftosa y por eso intente entrar dulce de leche Conaprole. Pero no paso!
> Deberia haber indagado un poco mas en su momento, pero no lo hice porque nos
> dejaban ir sin escanear el resto del equipaje y teniamos 3 kilos mas en las
> otras valijas. Queria rajar lo antes posible de ahi!
>
> Lamentablemente, no tengo respuesta para ninguna de tus dudas. Pero si
> logras hacer que los alfajores y el dulce de leche pasen, conta con mas de
> una caja de Havana y un par de kilos de DDL a eleccion!
> Saludos!
> 2009/12/7 JP <guersch...@gmail.com>
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