Cod Ghost Free Fall

[Dallas Querry]

Caughtthe end of Ghost last night on Sky Living. It struck me as odd as there is a whole section on how he can't interact with living objects through touch. He goes and gets guidance from the train ghost who teaches him how to touch objects (even though he's dead).

Now, it may be a flaw in the film makers thoughts but if he cannot touch living objects with this his hands, surely that same logic applies to his feet. Why can he walk on floorboards? Surely if you apply the logic of he cant touch objects and his hands go through them when he tries, surely his feet would do the same and he would actually keep falling through the core of the earth and out the other side?

This is actually a pretty standard film and tv problem. Examples come from all over, including Star Trek: TNG. (In the episode called The Next Phase) As far as I know, the only time this problem has been directly addressed was in the terrible Cosby movie Ghost Dad. In which, Cosby falls into a carpet like the floor wasn't there, but is able to catch himself on the 'edge' of the floor.

This problem is sometimes cavalierly side-stepped with some comment about the metaphor of floors being useful for ghosts to occupy multiple levels of space, just like they are for people. In this case, the idea is that the ghosts are capable of passing through the floor, but typically chose not to, because it is confusing. These ghosts are just flying so that their feet seem to touch the floor.

But in the case of Star Trek, the problem is explicit. They goofed. Or rather, chose to goof in the name of not having an episode where Geordi phases and falls instantly into the vacuum of space, while also suffocating from the lack of air phased along with him. (Since they had already done the let's randomly and brutally kill a main cast member thing.)

GHOST: It's your mind, you idiot. It's all in the mind. The problem is you think you're still real, that you're standin' on the floor, that you're wearin' those clothes. Bullshit! You don't even have a body anymore. It's all up here. You wanna move things, you gotta use your mind. You gotta focus! You hear what I'm saying?

If a ghost cannot interact with "things" then it stands to reason that things cannot interact with the ghost. This includes gravity, which makes sense, since gravity as a function of mass, and presumably ghosts have no mass. Therefore it is not possible for ghosts to "fall" in any sense, since "falling" is caused by gravity.

The second problem with your question also relates to this. It is not possible to "keep falling through the core of the earth and out the other side." In the (impossible) event of you being able to move through matter unobstructed and still being affected by gravity, you would "fall" to the centre of the earth and no further. Apparently it is quite hot there, so we had better hope that you are also unable to be affected by energy.

This question is adressed in 'Kill the dead' by Tanith Lee as well. Ghosts are an unwanted fact of everyday life. They cannot touch or manipulate things, but they do not fall through floors either. One ghost even manages to catch a musical instrument which was dear to him in life.

The ghost hunter/ destroyer of the story explains that ghosts are creatures of habit. Falling through floors would be really unpractical, they would never stop falling. (and would protect things they have protected in life as well. But ghosts are socialized in the culture they haunt as well. So they can move through walls and such, because when they were alive, they were taught that ghosts move through walls.

Perhaps his ability to grab objects, is on the same level as touching objects, and whatever heavenly body forged his being decided that he should subconsciously decide NOT to fall through the floor for obvious reasons.

There are two different ways to hike to Ghost Falls. The first time we went, we hiked the long way and got lost for awhile. The second time we visited Ghost Falls, we drove on a dirt road that is not recommended for cars. We will write about both of our hikes and you can decide which one is best for your family.

The falls are called Ghost Falls because sometimes they disappear entirely. They are really very beautiful and kid-friendly. Since the first time we hiked, the waterfall has changed a bit. There is now a fence that prevents you from walking into the water at the bottom of the falls. There is a sign that say this is the Wasatch Watershed and to keep out of the water. We were happy to stay out of the water, but because there is a fence preventing people from getting in the poison ivy, the brush has overgrown so much you can barely see the waterfall. (By the way, that trail that climbs steeply up on the left side of the falls goes nowhere and leads to almost nothing. Dad climbed up and saw a little more waterfall, but that was the end. He deemed it too steep and slick for kids to try.)

We decided to give Ghost Falls another try from the back way, which requires a drive over rough roads. The first time we hiked this trail we had met a family who had come from the other direction and we finally made it back to try it out.

This trail is very shady, as it drops down into the canyon toward Ghost Falls. Most of the time the trail is covered in shade with just a few spots out in the open. There are some little bridges where you cross the stream as you meander down to the waterfall. The hike down was very pleasant and enjoyable. There were a TON of mountain bikers, but not one other hiker on a Saturday morning.

This trail is well signed and you will come to the bottom and cross a bridge to look back at the falls. We did this hike in summer and your could hardly see the falls through all the bushes. There is also a fence (pictured in the first write-up) to keep you from getting too close to the waterfall and possibly putting your feet in, which was a change from the first time we hiked to Ghost Falls. We did scramble on a few rocks to get closer to the waterfall. It was small, but still peaceful and relaxing since we had it all to ourselves.

Warning: There is poison ivy here. There is a sign on the fence warning you about it, and we saw two bushes right behind the sign. We also saw some as we climbed out onto the boulders, so be aware if you are there when the plants are all green.

The climb back out is definitely uphill, but it is fairly gradual and just shy of a mile. We went fairly slow and no one complained (at least too much). It helped that there was a lot of shade. We liked this hike the best. We would recommend hiking to Ghost Falls this way if you have a vehicle that can make the bumpy rough road on the way there.

Same thing happened to us. We got lost and spent an extra 45 minutes walking back to the starting point to start over in the right direction. Then went off one of the Burnham Loop trails on the way up, it is steeper and there is no shade. We took the actual Ghost Falls trail on the way back and that one was way easier and we where under he shade the whole time. One thing to mention is that during the Summer time there will be poison ivy right next to the water fall, so look out for that.

We met the Ockey Family at the falls and our son enjoyed playing in the water with their boys. We hiked down to the falls from above and enjoyed a shady walk down and back with only one small open meadow area. Aside from keeping an eye out for bikers running us over, it was a relatively secluded and peaceful walk. Although my wife and I concur on the difficulty of actually finding the dirt road that leads to the upper trail head. Maybe that means it will deter those not truly interested in finding this hidden gem!

The rules for flying say that if you wish to fly in place, you must hover, which is an action. If you don't, you fall.Does this mean that stationary ghosts are, in effect, slowed 1? What happens when they fall because they didn't hover? Do they miss the ground and keep flying like in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

In short, how do these rules interact? No. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Grankless Apr 13, 2022, 04:45 pm 3 people marked this as a favorite. Haven't you made this thread like a dozen times and been basically universally told "no" each time? I know you seem to play this game using the most hyper-literal interpretation of RAW possible, Mr. "if you stand inside a wall of fire you take no damage", but you really need to try and apply common sense to how the game operates.

If we are going to take the ultra literal reading surely we must read can as permissive ;) AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Ravingdork Apr 13, 2022, 09:09 pm Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber Grankless wrote: Haven't you made this thread like a dozen times and been basically universally told "no" each time?Er...um...have I? My memory isn't that great.Also, people seem to hate thread necros.

In short, how do these rules interact? The obvious answer is that if you're playing a ghost, when you stop moving, you should generally choose to land. There's nothing stopping you from just landing at the end of your movement. If you decide that you really want to keep hovering... then sure. You go ahead and have fun with that... but that's you choosing to do that silly thing. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Gisher Apr 14, 2022, 04:11 pm 6 people marked this as a favorite. If they can't fall then all of my future Paladin characters will be ghosts. ;)

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