Re: [arcticnews 212] Extreme weather strikes around the globe

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Tba...@aol.com

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Feb 11, 2014, 8:46:30 AM2/11/14
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Hi Sam..I read your every article..is there something (book, article, etc) about the basics of Methane...its formation, how much is in clathrates, how much in other sources, how stable it is, its characteristics in different forms, total amount in atmosphere from various sources, etc....maybe you have had an article about this...I was surprised to read about the amount coming from Greenland..who knew it would be under that ice?????????thanks for all your do..

Day Brown

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Feb 12, 2014, 3:02:16 PM2/12/14
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I already quit planting fruit trees considering the way the weather
varied last year.
And now the only thing I confidently plant are turnips and greens.
It was so dry last year corn, tomatoes, & peppers hardly did. How much
worse can it get before famine?

Paul Schofield

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Feb 12, 2014, 11:46:42 PM2/12/14
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It's crazy.
Do you feel you are sealed off in a plastic bubble watching an insane dance but can't intervene?
World weather gone mad. Abnormal major anomalies everywhere. Scientists from many major universities around the world providing clear scientific theory backed by actual evidence observed in the field, as to the reasons for these anomalies. Scientists repeatedly warning that we are approaching or have already entered the 6th mass extinction. Warning that we are sliding into oblivion. Warning of the threatened total extinction of consciousness on this planet after billions of years of evolution, yet in our media or political centres or even local communites no debate or discussion of any kind. No one wants to know.
Its beyond my understanding.





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Day Brown

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Feb 13, 2014, 6:25:56 PM2/13/14
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On 02/12/2014 10:46 PM, Paul Schofield wrote:
> It's crazy.
> Do you feel you are sealed off in a plastic bubble watching an insane
> dance but can't intervene?
> World weather gone mad. Abnormal major anomalies everywhere.
> Scientists from many major universities around the world providing
> clear scientific theory backed by actual evidence observed in the
> field, as to the reasons for these anomalies. Scientists repeatedly
> warning that we are approaching or have already entered the 6th mass
> extinction. Warning that we are sliding into oblivion. Warning of the
> threatened total extinction of consciousness on this planet after
> billions of years of evolution, yet in our media or political centres
> or even local communites no debate or discussion of any kind. No one
> wants to know.
> Its beyond my understanding.
Neurotics dont want to know; by definition. Freud said it was
intractable, how the facts do no persuade, how invented the neurotic is
at explaining to himself why he thinks as he does, and we see here how
any detail in a presentation will be made into a strawman to quibble
with. Freud said it took trauma to wake neurotics to reality, but we are
afraid the severity of the trauma, is in atmospheric events, will be
enuf to destroy civilization so that even tho people finally see the
problem, there's no power to do anything about it. Some, who you do show
what is coming, will run to their brokers to short insurance stock...
and may be rewarded with vast numbers of nice lithographs of dead
presidents. No matter what we say, they wont get it.

So, what do those of us who do, do? In 30 years online I've seen
warnings, for one reason or other that TSHTF. Is methane hydrate release
yet another wolf call? Ever since the 73 OPEC oil embargo, folks moved
to my neck of Ozark woods, built a bunker, but then moved back to the
city when the MREs ran out. Back when the weather was familiar enuf to
make some money in agriculture if you were rational enuf to properly
assess local resources. Few were. Few are now. I dunno how to find them.

Christopher Masiero

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Feb 13, 2014, 9:36:48 PM2/13/14
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I have a few ideas of what might be needed to survive, but in a general sense I'd say the larger the land mass you live on, the more opportunity there is to avoid disaster areas.  Nomadic electric van culture anyone?  IMO being alone in a static location isn't going to work, medium term is you need to be mobile. 

I suggest we should name this generation 'omega'.  
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Day Brown

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Feb 14, 2014, 12:22:13 PM2/14/14
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On 02/13/2014 08:36 PM, Christopher Masiero wrote:
> I have a few ideas of what might be needed to survive, but in a
> general sense I'd say the larger the land mass you live on, the more
> opportunity there is to avoid disaster areas. Nomadic electric van
> culture anyone? IMO being alone in a static location isn't going to
> work, medium term is you need to be mobile.
Given increasing weather variability, mobility is critical. Then too,
there are now 434 nuclear plants around the world, another 50 in
construction, 50 in the USA... that will, if not properly maintained or
shutdown, go into meltdown. You'll need a geiger counter to know where
to go, if there be any place.

If methane hydrate goes into thermal runaway then ambient temps will
crash cooling systems. The last thermal runaway, the Permian, only had
survival above 70deg No Latitude. Not many roads up there.

I read the last time the Arctic ocean was ice free the coasts had
conifer rain forest; I'd like to see a closer exam of what that
ecosystem looked like and what variation from place to place was.

Virginie melik mourad

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Feb 15, 2014, 10:57:20 AM2/15/14
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Day Brown

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Feb 17, 2014, 5:00:49 AM2/17/14
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On 02/15/2014 09:57 AM, Virginie melik mourad wrote:
> What have we done ? we created this monster the Economy....
>
> http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20140213/chinas-plan-clean-air-cities-will-doom-climate-scientists-say
>
> http://fuelfix.com/blog/2014/02/13/methane-emissions-higher-than-epa-estimates-study-shows/
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> On 2/13/14, Christopher Masiero <chrism...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a few ideas of what might be needed to survive,...
If the Arctic can be 20deg C above normal, can any other region also be
that much warmer?
If survival is possible, it has to consider that. The ref above to coal
gas shows no effective policy to reduce greenhouse gases will be
implemented. However, if the weather is extreme enuf, it will cause
economic panic and collapse. Which will stop greenhouse gas emissions-
after the rubble quits smoking.

Here again, you cannot now tell which regions will, if any, survive
societal collapse. The only logical policy is to invest in some form of
mobility to get to wherever survival is possible. Even then, the weather
may change and force further movement... with a large number of others
to prevent ambush.
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