creation of a Fire Art Safety Team

[Pete Wyatt]

I believe that Kiwiburn has got to the point where we should have a team like this

 Fire Art Safety Team (FAST) is a team of artists, fire safety personnel and industry professionals whose mission is to provide experienced support for fire artists and to ensure the safe use of fire at Kiwiburn.

They do not currently plan cover effigy, temple and art project burns but it could be added

 For Fire performers spinning, we want to ensure that

1)      there is sufficient space clearly marked out for them to perform in

2)      the appropriate fire suppression equipment is on hand

3)      there are fire safety team members watching to ensure safety for all

4)      a suitable first aid kit to handle burns etc is on hand

5)      the performers are in a fit state to work with fire

 For LPG flame effect devices, we want to ensure that

1)      The equipment is well designed, built and maintained

2)      The operators are in a fit state to work it

3)      the appropriate fire suppression equipment is on hand

 For Burn Barrels and Fire pits, we want to ensure that

1)      the burn barrel or fire pit is well designed, built and maintained

2)      the appropriate fire suppression equipment is on hand

3)      there is sufficient distance between the fire and any combustible materials

4)      there is a responsible person in charge of the fire

5)      the fire is extinguished at the end of the night

 I am known in the NZ fire performing community as both a serious fire spinner and safety conscious person, I have also built my own LPG flame effect device after consulting with existing experts in the field.

 Tim Sutcliff has skills and experience working with LPG and has expressed an interest in joining the team

 We are open to any other appropriately skilled people joining the team

[Geveta Cook]

This was brought up in Rohanas Afterburn report. Note Sutcliffe isn't qualified as such, would this group required qualified personal?

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[Pete Wyatt]

we don't all need to be qualified to spot a shitty / unsafe gas system

a qualified person would be great but lets start working with what we have and prevent most problems

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[Rohana Weaver]

As mentioned by Generally, KAC identified the need for a specific gas fire arts health and safety protocol and requirements. This I believe has been initiated by Mike Dodds and based on the burning man protocols which he is familiar with. Nicolas Lealand would also be an ideal person for this as he has expressed interest within KAC and has experience as a professional pyrotechnician and creator of gas flame effects and sculptures.

I take it Lumos you are volunteering to organise and lead this initiative? It would be good to have s specific person heading the team to follow through and implement this.

[Poppy Norman]

Mike Dodds was all over this last year. Its worth contacting him and seeing how he wants to be involved for this event.

Karl and I have been talking about recruiting for H&S generally so he may have some ideas?

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As mentioned by Generally, KAC identified the need for a specific gas fire arts health and safety protocol and requirements. This I believe has been initiated by Mike Dodds and based on the burning man protocols which he is familiar with. Nicolas Lealand would also be an ideal person for this as he has expressed interest within KAC and has experience as a professional pyrotechnician and creator of gas flame effects and sculptures.

I take it Lumos you are volunteering to organise and lead this initiative? It would be good to have s specific person heading the team to follow through and implement this.

[Pete Wyatt]

yes happy to take the lead and take on skilled people like Mike and Nic

[Karl Matthews]

So re going to contact Mike Dodds Lumos?

[Pete Wyatt]

I am not going to bother him until there is a clear go ahead from the excom

[Shelley Watson]

doesn't mike live in seattle?

[Pete Wyatt]

No idea 

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 at 11:25 AM, Shelley Watson <she...@design.gen.nz> wrote:

doesn't mike live in seattle?

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[Shelley Watson]

pretty sure he does, or at least he's from there. if we're talking about the same person. he came up to me at the glc for a chat. one of the team that bought the interactive art on lower paddock to kb this year froms seattle.

[Shelley Watson]

also might be worth asking burning man to send a FAST representative over to kb to help educate and check processes? the sent somone I know to midburn this year to share expertise and apparently very successful learnigns all round.

[Pete Wyatt]

If that is the same guy that did the h&s theme camp check yes he comes from there and we had some good chats about in fire safety stuff

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also might be worth asking burning man to send a FAST representative over to kb to help educate and check processes? the sent somone I know to midburn this year to share expertise and apparently very successful learnigns all round.

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[Geveta]

I have created a FAST folder in the Operations Documents folder on Dropbox and saved a copy of Pacific North West's Flame Effects Guidance (sent through by Mike Dodds) in here for reference. 

[Geveta]

Mike also forwarded a mini report on Fire ART Safety for KB17 (unofficial) including recommendations for next year. I have saved this in the FAST folder. 

Question: do we wish for this to be included in this years Afterburn Report? 

[Pete Wyatt]

I have searched and can't find it, could you please send me the link Geveta

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Mike also forwarded a mini report on Fire ART Safety for KB17 (unofficial) including recommendations for next year. I have saved this in the FAST folder. 

Question: do we wish for this to be included in this years Afterburn Report? 

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[Geveta Cook]

Dropbox Operations > FAST

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[Pete Wyatt]

nope, I start at https://www.dropbox.com/home/Excom%20Documents there is no operations folder

search on FAST only finds a sign for a fast current danger sign

[Geveta Cook]

Because it's in the operations Dropbox not the ExCom Dropbox 

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[Pete Wyatt]

I don't appear to have access to operations

[Poppy Norman]

I don't have access to any of the dropbox folders it seems? Can someone fix that?

[Geveta Cook]

Really? Super error Poppy will invite you after work. 

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[Pete Wyatt]

I have had a good read through the documents from Mike, we need Nic or similar experience to see what is NZ relevant and what is NZ different with all the standards

[Geveta Cook]

Absolutely necessary (case in point The Giant Weta effect had to be up specked from US requirements). 

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[Pete Wyatt]

as there has been no more comments on this can I assume that the excom is happy for this to proceed ?

is a vote required ?

is there anybody on here who wishes to be involved ?

shall I go ahead and look for suitable team members in the community ?

[Geveta Cook]

Think it's a vote required? (New department as such)

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[ben curran]

A vote, I would think probably required. New Department and location - I'm guessing under Site Safety? 

[Pete Wyatt]

Yes but I would also encourage them to be active with all official kiwiburn events eg decoms not just on the paddock 

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[Geveta Cook]

It was decided at Summit that KB would distance itself from event of the Paddock entirely (including pre and decomp)

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[Pete Wyatt]

If they are officially recognised events then the regional rep is involved and there should be some official fire safety  

[Geveta Cook]

Just saying what it was and is.

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[Pete Wyatt]

is there still interest in creating this team ?

the general opinion was a vote would be required to create a this new
team officially under site safety

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[Shelley Watson]

am all for it 

[Geveta Cook]

I would be happy to vote on this. If there is any new (or re) interest, a folder was set up in either admin or ops with further information.

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[Tania B-B]

Yup, I know a few people have already volunteered for this. 

[ben curran]

Lumos, I presume that's an indication you'd be keen to get this sorted? What would be needed, post a vote from excom to form the department, which I'm guessing we need to do. 

[Pete Wyatt]

as mentioned earlier it would be best for the excom to call a vote on
the creation of this new dept, if that goes ahead I am happy to take
lead unless one of the other keen volunteers mentioned earlier is
better suited to the job.
Then can we be passed the list of interested people

then we get started and report back to excom through Poppy

that's my thoughts.... happy for other suggestions
Lumos

[Andy Justice]

Will this need a budget or are its costs already covered under other depts/teams?  If budget needed get in quick as Budget closing in 5 4 3 2 ...

Also is it intended to be only for the annual event or covering other community projects or events other than the annual one?

[Pete Wyatt]

as mentioned earlier it needs to cover the annual event and should
also cover any other official KB event, ie official decoms etc

the job is to ensure safe use of fire in its many forms

, apart from some stationary costs I am not sure what other budget
items would be required

[Andy Justice]

Thanks Lumos so I'll budget $2 for a pen & piece of paper - just joking - I'll put in a nominal amount for now.

[Pete Wyatt]

thanks Andy
we may laminate up some official fire permits for the couple of burn
barrels that get official registration and some for the flame effect
devices that have been checked and then Rangers and ops can keep an
eye out for unofficial burn barrels etc because as we grow somebody is
going to try and have their own non approved fires

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> Thanks Lumos so I'll budget $2 for a pen & piece of paper - just joking -
> I'll put in a nominal amount for now.
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[Andy Justice]

Is this going ahead?  Is a VOTE to create the new dept going to proceed?

Also if it goes ahead do we need to budget anything other than the minor amount Lumos has said for fire permits?  Does KB already have any and all necessary safety equipment (e.g. extinguishers) in our existing assets or do we require the fire artists to supply their own either individually or as a group of performers?

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[Pete Wyatt]

People are expected to supply their own fire safety gear, this team is more about settling and enforcing fire safety standards.

Ben could you please start a vote on this 

[Tania B-B]

Hi Lumos

Just letting you know I'll be helping co-ordinate this as I'm taking on the H&S hat on-site to make sure our documentation and systems match. I've already been in discussion with the core Flojo crew who will manage fire spinning safety. I was under the impression we had agreed to do this summit, don't think we need a vote, just to get on with it.

Andy, anything we need for H&S can be put under the Site Office budget - like Lumos says, this should be pretty minimal. 

[Pete Wyatt]

Awesome Tania
Mention was also made that some others were interested in being part
of it, do you know who they were ?

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