Site Model

[Erik]

Ok lets discuss how we are going to put together the site model.

Some points I'd like to make:

- We need a topographic map in electronic form.
I have only found the department of lands Six Viewer that gives ok
topographic maps at 10m increments
Link is here: https://six.maps.nsw.gov.au/wps/portal
Take off all information except for Topographic Map and slide the
arrow from 'imagery' to 'map'.
Image of what you can get from it (milsons point):
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/aeschinestheone4444/topo.jpg

- If we make the contours out of card, then for a scale of 1:50,000,
1.5mm thick card will be 7.5m contours, 1mm thick card is 5m, etc you
get the idea.

- If we get everyone to work on sections of the model, they will not
fit well together. Paul suggested that we should have two groups: one
group doing the topography and another group putting together the
buildings.

[Raymond]

Hey Erik,

1. the scale should be 1:5000 not 1:50,000.
2. I suggest that with the contours, maybe we could etched the
roadways and rail tracks.
3. as for the buildings, we could
a) focus along the rail lines.
b) concentrate on a certain coverage from the station as point of
reference, say maybe 1km or 5km to show the surrounding context
in relation to the station.

[Joan]

hi guys,

1. I think the scale 1:2500 (as suggested by Livee in email) would be
quite appropriate to show more profile of the city. I understand that
it will be a double of 1:5000 but since we have to do it we might as
well go for more detail, esp when we are only going to be selective of
what we are showing in the model.

2. I agree with the separation between topography and building group.
That means the two groups will come in work at different time frames.

3. I also agree with the focus along the railway tracks and i suggest
the following emphasis just to specify Raymond's comment:
- buildings: height, density, type
- traffic network corresponding to the railway system
- land use??

4. just wondering: Do we need a third group to build a rough 3D model
to assist our model making process?

We should decide on the scale first to get things going. Material,
cutting method etc. can come after that.

[Leo]

Does anyone remember how big is a 1:2500 all together? 10 a1
something? kinda forget. Because we need to maintain and store it
during the winter break etc...

-I recon a long model with train track highlighted (etched) and
selective surrounding sounds cool.
-Finding sponsors seems hard. councils?
-It seems everyone is agree to 1:2500. maybe we can fix it and ask
Shaowen if she and Ramin come up any ideas?
-I remember Ramin said something about the rough 3d model in his
office, did he? :p hehe.. with that will save lots of time.
-as soon as we get the scale and material fixed. Maybe we could divide
into several groups.say
-shopping and delivery group
-CAD and illustrator draft group
-3d group
-Contour group
-2 model groups?
-And a schedule for everything as well.

Well.. as we have sufficient human resources in our class. lol It has
to be good haha..

[Livee]

Hi all, me again.

1. I agree with Ray & Jo's suggestions, setting a focus along the
tracks and being selective. At 1:2,500 preferably. I'm fine with model
cards :)
2. I believe Ramin's 3D model covers only the CBD area. Im pretty sure
that's what I heard him say.
3. Groups & work delegations: I suggest we come up with a schedule,
and have people (or groups) sign up for their preferred working time
slots. Or vice versa.
4. We need to making bookings for the laser cutter ASAP! Can someone
check if we could use it during the Easter break? Oh maybe I can do
that and get back to you guys later.
5. Leo, regarding sponsors: I figured since we're doing
infrastructural projects. You think we could check with RailCorp? They
do contribute in educational projects (in the good times though), if I
remember correctly. We'll have to try. But we'll have to split the
costs for now. Either ways, we'll need a treasury unit!

Liv.

[Wayne Kwok]

Hi all,

I have done calculation on CAD, and realized that 1:2500 is about
27-32 A1 sheets (if we foucusing the area along the railway, not the
entire CAD), the size of the model would be about 6.8 x 2.4m, which
will be take up half of a room. I wonder if it is easy for a person to
look at our model in such a scale, people may need to lean forward (a
lot) if he want to see the tiny spot of a particular station.

What I am suggesting is making a 1:5000 model, which is about 12-16 A1
sheets, the size may be just about 1.8m x 3.4m. Also, it is a good
scale for the making the contour, if we use 1mm thick card, it will
make 5m contour, as Erik said. Then we don't need to waste time on
stacking numbers of cards.

Even though, 1:2500 model is double the size of the 1:5000 model. When
I look at the details, say the milson pt. stations, it will be 12mm x
60mm in 1:2500 scale, and it will be 6mm x 33mm in 1:5000.

also i looked at the sizes of the roads, for example a road is 20m
wide, in 1:2500 it will be 8mm, and it will be 4mm in 1:5000. I think
if we use the model to study the context, i think it's ok for a road
to be 4mm wide, cus we may want to look at the form of the road
network of the certain extent of area.. so if the roads are 4mm wide,
we can still see the "network".

What i want to say is, the model cannot really reflect any details of
any location on the model as they are small
Perhaps the major role of the model is to give reference to the
context of the city and what we have made in our mapping drawings.

As long as the model can show the main features or landscape of sydney
will be fine.

so what do u guys think? heehe

Wayne

[kammy]

Hi everyone,

i agree with wayne, i dont think its worth making a 1:2500 site model,
considering its 27 A1 big, and a 1:2500 doesnt really show much more
than a 1:5000 model. if we want to study more details from the model,
i suggest that we do a more detailed 3D digital model.

Kammy

[Leo]

Hi again,

1.It is true when I was looking at it yesterday that 1:2500 is quite
massive. If we think about issues like transport and storage, even it
is divided into parts, it will be still very hard. But since quite a
lot of people like 1:2500. Shall we make a vote here or by email see
which one is more preferred? As joan said, we have to fix the scale
first to let things rolling.

2.Groups & work delegations: maybe I can draft a schedule and group
for everyone to sign on Thursday. If everyone is happy with this
distribution.
-shopping and delivery group --------3ppl
-CAD and illustrator draft group-----4ppl
-3d group -----------------------------------4ppl
-Contour group ---------------------------2ppl
-model group 1----------------------------5ppl
-model group 2----------------------------5ppl

3.Livee would you mind kindly enough to ask for the Laser cut workshop
in COFA? thanks a lot. and the one in school is not open next week?
maybe we can use both if needed.

4.Sponsors, maybe we I can send Shaowen an email, better get support
from school. And if she agrees, we need someone to write good English
in great manner. Any volunteer to do that?

5.And the money issue, we need the shopping and delivery group to sort
out:)

Cheers

[Helen Lai]

hey leo,

so is the contour group working on tracing the typological map in CAD
like what i said in the email before moving the discussion here?

then i guess maybe we need more than 2 people (heehe maybe 1 more),
cus the context is huge and there will be a lot of contour lines...

and then i guess after the CAD people finish tracing, the illustrator
draft group move the file to AI and prepare laser cut readable file by
changing the line colour and line weight etc.?

For the laser cut, if we cant go to COFA, i know there's another laser
cutting shop. it's in Kingsgrove, (tel.: 95346355) but i dunno whether
they will do such a big job. but anyway, i just think it can be a
backup.

i guess we can vote through emails, in order to make sure everyone are
noticed heehe.

Regards,

Helen

[Leo]

Hey helen,
Oh yeah, maybe we need more labour on to the contour tracing. what i
mean above is making contour model, then I realize gluing contour may
not take that much time. So lastest group distribution.

-shopping and delivery group --------3ppl

-Contour group ----------------------------4ppl
-CAD and illustrator draft group-----2ppl
-3d group -----------------------------------4ppl

-model group 1----------------------------5ppl
-model group 2----------------------------5ppl

Cheers. Maybe we can vote in class, coz it doesnt make big difference
if we decide tomorrow or the day after.
I will draft a schedule to let everyone to sign on Thursday.

cheers

[andre...@gmail.com]

I agree with wayne, the work required for the 1:2500 outweighs the
benefits. As both scales are still quite large, the model will most
likely serve as a site map.

[Phyllis]

Hi guys

i think that possible we could have a few more people making the
model.. rather than just 10
10 people seems a bit less in trying to complete all the buildings in
time,
maybe shopping and delivery group could join in??

[shoawen]

Hi guys, I've got suggestions from Russell:

"Hi Shaowen and Leo,

I notice that you are doubling the 1mm thick card to achieve the
desired 2mm thickness.

We can use 2mm thick card if you would like?

I would recommend 2mm pasteboard; it’s available in large sheets at
Oxford Art Supplies. On small problem is that the card is too large
for the bed of the laser cutter so you might need to trim it a bit
before using the laser cutter. It’s not a big deal … and may not even
be necessary, but just to keep it in mind."

The booking will follow later on. We are working on it.

[Livee]

Hi guys,

I wanted to discuss about this since a week ago but decided to delay
this till now, since we have all been busy working on the site
analysis last week. I reckon it will be a good time now to finish off
the last bits of our site model since we will be working progressively
towards the Week14 submission this week onwards.

Ramin has spoken to me about the rail indication and I've considered
the alternatives, I think our best choice will be coloured perspex. I
know its difficult to figure out the exact location of the rail line
to prepare the laser cut files but I guess we'll just have to work it
out. We might as well finish it off nicely since we've already spent
so much on this site model.

I am currently sourcing for cheap perspex and places to laser cut it,
so I'll keep u posted about this. My team laser cut our perspex model
for Exercise 2 in Hurstville, but I think there are perspex suppliers
who are able to laser cut them for us as well. (If anyone knows any
good places, please speak up now!!!) ALSO because most of these shops
are located a little far out, we might need help from one of you who
drives. Just to collect the perspex I guess. Any volunteers?

To the group of us working on the rail line (and anyone else who wants
to help out, of course!):
Please nominate a time some time next week, so we could try figure out
and prepare the .AI files for laser cutting. I think its better we get
this done and over with now, so we can focus on our final presentation
for Week14 later on...

Good weekend guys!

Rgds,
Liv.

[Wang Xinyu]

Hi Livee

Well haha.. seems we have no choice... maybe we can use the card rail line to help to draw AI. hmm still seems hard to figure out way. Well, I am quite free now, see when Stella is available. I do not know any cheap perspex supplier, but I will keep asking around.

Leo Wang
UNSW

[adrian kwan]

Hi Livee,

I can help if you guys need it... maybe we can ask the guys from the laser cut place (I think his name is anthony) of any scraps we can use for this? just go scavenging hunting haha

regards,

adrian

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[Stella Lim]

hey,
i'm free after tuesday (got to finish off the pp essay!)...perspex...hmm will be hard to find just a little strip...yes maybe can ask anthony if there are any offcuts. Do we still want red?

stella

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[Livee Tan]

oh yeah, thats possible.. i'll contact anthony on monday to check..

i remember the guys from the design lab didnt allow us (MArch students) to cut perspex, but they might have changed their minds, so i'll let u know after i contact him... i'll let u know if we need yr help adrian, thanks!  :)

btw stella, we can discuss about the colours and labels (station names, as Ramin had suggested) when we meet up.

btw, im busy on wednesday.. got a final presentation for my other elective. other than that, im good. thursday perhaps? is that okay with u guys?

Liv.

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[LeeShean Ng]

Hi,

I can help out too, if you guys need additional help. Btw, I think we can cut perspex now in uni, cause I saw it in the lab the other day. You can still call to just make sure they can do it.

Lee Shean

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Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:38:28 +1000
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[Helen Lai]

Hey,

I think the uni laser cut workshop can cut perspex, since last time
they told my friend in the other studio that they can cut, and i also
saw some left over perspex in that workshop tat day, so i think they
can. And i know they wont cut 1mm transparency..i thought that was
called "perspex" so last time i brought it for my friend and the guys
in that workshop told me that they wont cut that, because toxic gas
will release when they cut transparency..

i know there's a place selling perspex and i think they can cut
perspex too, but i m not sure if they will cut irregular shape or just
cutting perspex into little pieces for the customers to carry easily..

the address is

192 Princess Hwy, Arncliffe

the name of the shop is

The Plastic Centre

their number is

9599 2499

and website is

http://www.plastix.com.au/contact.html

i realize they actually have a few more shops around from their
website, but i m not really sure if they can cut "special" shape.

Regards,

Helen

[Livee Tan]

oh okay sure, thanks! i am trying to get coloured perspex for now.. those don't react weirdly with laser, do they? 

because if we can't cut the coloured ones, we'll have to cut clear ones and add colour to it.. which i think won't look very good...

oh well! i'll check with both our design lab and the plastic centre on monday, can't do much during the weekends..  

cheers!

Liv.

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[Stella Lim]

ok
thursday sounds good! smae time? round 10:30 - 11?

stella

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Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:38:28 +1000
Subject: Re: Site Model
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[Livee]

Hi guys,

So are we still meeting this Thursday? Or would u guys prefer to meet
over the weekend? (since everyone's so busy -- impression i got from
all the email discussions!)

Just need to confirm to arrange my schedule around it, im suffocating
from work stress too!
>.<

Lol.

Let me know alright,

Liv.

On May 24, 3:56 pm, Stella Lim <stel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ok
> thursday sounds good! smae time? round 10:30 - 11?
>
> stella
>

> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:38:28 +1000
> Subject: Re: Site Model

> From: livee....@gmail.com
> To: arch72...@googlegroups.com
>
> oh yeah, thats possible.. i'll contact anthony on monday to check..i remember the guys from the design lab didnt allow us (MArch students) to cut perspex, but they might have changed their minds, so i'll let u know after i contact him... i'll let u know if we need yr help adrian, thanks!  :)

>
> btw stella, we can discuss about the colours and labels (station names, as Ramin had suggested) when we meet up.
> btw, im busy on wednesday.. got a final presentation for my other elective. other than that, im good. thursday perhaps? is that okay with u guys?
>
> Liv.
>

> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Stella Lim <stel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> hey,
> i'm free after tuesday (got to finish off the pp essay!)...perspex...hmm will be hard to find just a little strip...yes maybe can ask anthony if there are any offcuts. Do we still want red?
>
> stella
>

> From: intensityada...@hotmail.com
> To: arch72...@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Site Model
> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:56:45 +1000
>

> Hi Livee,I can help if you guys need it... maybe we can ask the guys from the laser cut place (I think his name is anthony) of any scraps we can use for this? just go scavenging hunting haha
>
> regards,adrian
>

> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:54:39 +1000
> Subject: Re: Site Model

> From: youseeit...@gmail.com

> To: arch72...@googlegroups.com
>
> Hi Livee
> Well haha.. seems we have no choice... maybe we can use the card rail line to help to draw AI. hmm still seems hard to figure out way. Well, I am quite free now, see when Stella is available. I do not know any cheap perspex supplier, but I will keep asking around.
>
> Leo Wang
> UNSW
>

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[Shaowen Wang]

Dear all,

Work hard and produce the best model you can, but you don't have to kill yourself! You've got one site model to finish and each group needs to build a 1/500 site model. With 3 weeks left, please make sure you have a good plan. Leo suggests that you'll bring in the finished 1/500 model next Friday instead of this week since most of you are busy with other submissions. 

I'll wait for Ramin's input to confirm the 2 deliverables instead of 3 for this Friday. Perhaps by tomorrow morning.

Shaowen

[Wang Xinyu]

Hi Livee and Stella,

I think we still need to get the "red line" done on Thursday. Shaowen suggests that the priority is the big site model first. So we keep the initial plan?

cheers

leo

[Livee Tan]

Im fine with that, just needed confirmation to plan my work for the week ahead :)

See u guys Thursday.

Liv.

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[Livee]

Leo + Stella,

So are we meeting at 11AM tmr?
Can we all be on time because I will not be able to stay for too long
because my presentation for another elective had been delayed to 1pm
tmr..
There was a frustrating technical difficulty with the stupid
projectors today!

Liv.

[Wang Xinyu]

yeah sure sure

hehhe

Leo Wang
UNSW