Re: [ARC] Re: How Does Your Dog Drink? Interesting/Forum

[Mom...@aol.com]

I never know exactly what to put on the forum or what to put it under.  I get so much information about so many different things ---I know Pam gets all the dog food/treat info so I know it will show up on the forum. 

 

I get tons of stuff about PETA and HSUS --but don't want to step on any toes --for instance HSUS has now published a 6 page breeder identifier/reporter form so that people can report a breeder to HSUS who, then, will presumably get identified as a "puppy" mill and run them out of town, tarred and feathered; financially ruined and without all their dogs.

 

I am torn about the breeding thing --I do believe in S/N (all of my animals --dogs/cats/horse are altered) however, I do believe that I should have the choice of making an informed decision about doing major surgery on my animals and whether I want to have it done.  Most of my animals are rejects from irresponsible people but there have been the purebred dogs I have purchased.  And I want to continue to have the choice of buying a dog from a responsible, ethical breeder or purchasing (this is a whole other subject) one from a shelter/rescue. 

 

HSUS is setting itself up as a non-government agency with the tacit consent of the government (such as it is) and inserting itself into citizens' lives with no authority.  I am very concerned with person reporting person ---sometimes the charges are founded and other times they are malicious and the person being charged has no opportunity to confront the accuser --which goes totally against our constitutional rights. 

 

HSUS/PETA have become wealthy and recognized as caring about animals because they use emotions to bolster their case ---they never use true, unvarnished, undistorted, unmisrepresented facts and most people whose hearts are compassionate are taken in.

 

HSUS/PETA, on the surface, seem to really care for the animals but that is just a facade ---there is so much more going on, hidden from the public.

 

Did you know the proposed administrator of information and regulatory affairs in the new regime is an ardent animal rights zealot and, among many other things, he believes that animals should have the right to sue?  That goes hand in hand with the changing of animal "owners" to "guardians" and with the law schools now offering the new specialty of "dog law" we, who love all the creatures of the earth, are in big, big trouble.

 

Oops --sorry, I get carried away sometimes.  The soapbox just kind of falls out of the closet and I can't resist getting up on it and philosophizing away ---you are a victim of my rhetoric.....

 

Sandy

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[K9 Mama]

On Animals Speak forum any thing that deals with animals pets, wildlife goes. Whereas on Pwd SD Awareness forum mostly will deal with service animals or about disabilities. Even those issues about PETA and H$H$ as this too affects people having service animals. As we talked about Peta and guide dogs. I just put my commentary on the Pwd SD forum under the what's happening now board.  grins. http://pwdsdawareness.freeforums.org/peta-is-at-it-again-with-pwdwsd-t292.html .  Of course I do have the OT board for other issues and a section about food, shelters and health too as these things do affect service animals not to mention that many people have pets too while not having a service animal. lol.

 

Don't worry if you don't put the subject in the correct board. Either one of us could move it to the correct section it's not that difficult.  I did that before several times even when I posted then realize oops I should have put it there in the first place. grins.

 

Oh yeah by the way anything that deals with Peta and h$h$ on the Animals Speak forum goes under Animal Rights VS Animal Welfare 
which in case you forgotten your the moderator of that board. Grins.

 

<Did you know the proposed administrator of information and regulatory affairs in the new regime is an ardent animal rights zealot and, among many other things, he believes that animals should have the right to sue?>

 

Yes I did know but I am sure not many do! This is the same thing that Ingrid (PETA Pres.) uses and has been lobbying legislators for about a decade now. And some people claims that H$U$ are not part of Peta!

 

If this does get passed which I doubt it, this would mean that Service dogs now would have legal rights henceforth you would not have to be a person with a disability. Therefore any retired SD or change career SD would be allowed to go anywhere. This would also mean all pets would have legal rights to be in stores. That doesn't cut it for me! First off I had been telling people that service dogs do not have legal rights but the individual has those civil legal rights. And I would like to know what lawyer would represent the animal in the lawsuit! After all if they cannot comprehend what the animal is saying how can they represent them legally and correctly.

 

It's totally different with many of us animal welfare individuals and organizations. We are for animal welfare the way H$U$ use to be when it first open up their doors as it was. Then people just been going over board for their own personal agenda. Like Peta H$U$ wants to have no pets , no breeders (as you put in your post) henceforth no working dogs (ie service dogs nor k9-corp especially) After all if you get rid of police dogs then Peta which is also H$U$ they could continue their illegal acts and not be caught by the police dog.

 

Now I have also gotten most of my dogs from shelters but I have used other avenues for finding a good quality service dog canidate. Mostly all my dogs are altered as well but this is because of being out in the public and mostly having to deal with strays.  And yes sometimes dogs will try their best. I even had a dog Sonja that would turn around while she was on duty per say and bite the dog well you could only imagine. She wasn't in heat because she was also altered but still these things happens. However it should be my choice not somebody elses.  Oh yeah I could see Sonja asking for a lawyer because some irresponsible owner left their dog run loose. Wonder what that would fall under! lol.

 

And you say your on your soapbox! lol. You know me when it comes to Peta and H$U$!

 

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Denise & Murray
http://pwdsdawareness.freeforums.org
http://speak4serviceanimals.wordpress.com
http://animalsspeak.org

 

[letstalk...@gmail.com]

LOL,

Well, since ARC is closing soon,  I guess you'll need a crash Course ? <GRIN>  The only thing that be left is a link to Animals Speak.

 No, really, I am subscribed to all of the forums (hopefully) and Denise is sub to most of them, so as she mentioned, if you do post it in a place that is not ideal, either of us can just move the post.


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You have excellent points of view and I love reading about your position on different things.

Pamela Myers
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"I called the Pet Food Company and they said their foods are 100% safe"
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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:02 PM, <Mom...@aol.com> wrote: